What was the earliest start time of a Catholic mass before 1957?
Before the Motu Propio "Sacram Communionem. On Laws of Fasting and the Evening Mass" of Pope Pius XII in 1957, the rule of c. 821 § 1 CIC/1917 applied in the Catholic Church as a ruling on the times for celebrating mass. The codex is from 1917, but I suspect the rule is older (maybe Council of Trent?).
c. 821 § 1 CIC/1917: Missae celebrandae initium ne fiat citius quam una hora ante auroram vel serius quam una hora post meridiem.
The beginning of the celebrated mass shall not be before one hour before aurora and later than one hour after midday. [my translation]
What does aurora means in this context? Is it sunrise, the beginning of the red sky at morning or something else? Was there a definition or practical formula in the canonical literature? As this question was practically relevant for every priest there should be at least some rule of thumb.
This question is different from Can Mass be celebrated at any hour of the day?. The scope of that question is broader and in Geremia's Answer the word aurora is just translated with sunrise without explanation. I want the details here.
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Before the Motu Propio "Sacram Communionem. On Laws of Fasting and the Evening Mass" of Pope Pius XII in 1957, the rule of c. 821 § 1 CIC/1917 applied in the Catholic Church as a ruling on the times for celebrating mass. The codex is from 1917, but I suspect the rule is older (maybe Council of Trent?).
c. 821 § 1 CIC/1917: Missae celebrandae initium ne fiat citius quam una hora ante auroram vel serius quam una hora post meridiem.
The beginning of the celebrated mass shall not be before one hour before aurora and later than one hour after midday. [my translation]
What does aurora means in this context? Is it sunrise, the beginning of the red sky at morning or something else? Was there a definition or practical formula in the canonical literature? As this question was practically relevant for every priest there should be at least some rule of thumb.
This question is different from Can Mass be celebrated at any hour of the day?. The scope of that question is broader and in Geremia's Answer the word aurora is just translated with sunrise without explanation. I want the details here.
catholicism liturgy mass canon-law time
asked 15 hours ago
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Possible duplicate of Can Mass be celebrated at any hour of the day? This questin has an answer for the 1957 missal. "A private Mass can be said at least after Matins and Lauds from one hour before sunrise until 1:00 PM."
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
@KenGraham There Geremia just translates "aurora" with "sunrise". The details of that are not the scope of that question. So I asked a new.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
Dawn, sunrise or twilight? It is a question of nuance. Aurora means "dawn" in English, but can be interpreted as sunrise.
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
@KenGraham And this nuance is the question here. I cannot imagine there was no canonist thinking about this.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
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Before the Motu Propio "Sacram Communionem. On Laws of Fasting and the Evening Mass" of Pope Pius XII in 1957, the rule of c. 821 § 1 CIC/1917 applied in the Catholic Church as a ruling on the times for celebrating mass. The codex is from 1917, but I suspect the rule is older (maybe Council of Trent?).
c. 821 § 1 CIC/1917: Missae celebrandae initium ne fiat citius quam una hora ante auroram vel serius quam una hora post meridiem.
The beginning of the celebrated mass shall not be before one hour before aurora and later than one hour after midday. [my translation]
What does aurora means in this context? Is it sunrise, the beginning of the red sky at morning or something else? Was there a definition or practical formula in the canonical literature? As this question was practically relevant for every priest there should be at least some rule of thumb.
This question is different from Can Mass be celebrated at any hour of the day?. The scope of that question is broader and in Geremia's Answer the word aurora is just translated with sunrise without explanation. I want the details here.
catholicism liturgy mass canon-law time
asked 15 hours ago
K-HBK-HB
449112
Before the Motu Propio "Sacram Communionem. On Laws of Fasting and the Evening Mass" of Pope Pius XII in 1957, the rule of c. 821 § 1 CIC/1917 applied in the Catholic Church as a ruling on the times for celebrating mass. The codex is from 1917, but I suspect the rule is older (maybe Council of Trent?).
c. 821 § 1 CIC/1917: Missae celebrandae initium ne fiat citius quam una hora ante auroram vel serius quam una hora post meridiem.
The beginning of the celebrated mass shall not be before one hour before aurora and later than one hour after midday. [my translation]
What does aurora means in this context? Is it sunrise, the beginning of the red sky at morning or something else? Was there a definition or practical formula in the canonical literature? As this question was practically relevant for every priest there should be at least some rule of thumb.
This question is different from Can Mass be celebrated at any hour of the day?. The scope of that question is broader and in Geremia's Answer the word aurora is just translated with sunrise without explanation. I want the details here.
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Possible duplicate of Can Mass be celebrated at any hour of the day? This questin has an answer for the 1957 missal. "A private Mass can be said at least after Matins and Lauds from one hour before sunrise until 1:00 PM."
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
@KenGraham There Geremia just translates "aurora" with "sunrise". The details of that are not the scope of that question. So I asked a new.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
Dawn, sunrise or twilight? It is a question of nuance. Aurora means "dawn" in English, but can be interpreted as sunrise.
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
@KenGraham And this nuance is the question here. I cannot imagine there was no canonist thinking about this.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
add a comment |
Possible duplicate of Can Mass be celebrated at any hour of the day? This questin has an answer for the 1957 missal. "A private Mass can be said at least after Matins and Lauds from one hour before sunrise until 1:00 PM."
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
@KenGraham There Geremia just translates "aurora" with "sunrise". The details of that are not the scope of that question. So I asked a new.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
Dawn, sunrise or twilight? It is a question of nuance. Aurora means "dawn" in English, but can be interpreted as sunrise.
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
@KenGraham And this nuance is the question here. I cannot imagine there was no canonist thinking about this.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Can Mass be celebrated at any hour of the day? This questin has an answer for the 1957 missal. "A private Mass can be said at least after Matins and Lauds from one hour before sunrise until 1:00 PM."
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
Possible duplicate of Can Mass be celebrated at any hour of the day? This questin has an answer for the 1957 missal. "A private Mass can be said at least after Matins and Lauds from one hour before sunrise until 1:00 PM."
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
@KenGraham There Geremia just translates "aurora" with "sunrise". The details of that are not the scope of that question. So I asked a new.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
@KenGraham There Geremia just translates "aurora" with "sunrise". The details of that are not the scope of that question. So I asked a new.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
Dawn, sunrise or twilight? It is a question of nuance. Aurora means "dawn" in English, but can be interpreted as sunrise.
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
Dawn, sunrise or twilight? It is a question of nuance. Aurora means "dawn" in English, but can be interpreted as sunrise.
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
@KenGraham And this nuance is the question here. I cannot imagine there was no canonist thinking about this.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
@KenGraham And this nuance is the question here. I cannot imagine there was no canonist thinking about this.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
add a comment |
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"Aurora" in Latin means "dawn", as opposed to "sunrise" (which is "ortus solis", the rising of the sun). This would mean, more or less, the period at which the sky was visibly bright.
The reason for selecting this time was undoubtedly so that Mass would not fall before celebration of Lauds, that part of the Divine Office which was intended to open the day. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "The office of Lauds was supposed to be recited at dawn." It seems likely that this general directive could be interpreted differently by various priests, and surely some priests celebrated Lauds quite early in the morning. Hence the directive in the 1917 Code made sure that no matter how early Lauds was celebrated, Mass would come after it. (In convents or monasteries which celebrate the Divine Office, the first Mass of the day is often celebrated immediately after, or at least very shortly after, the end of Lauds.
answered 13 hours ago
Matt GuttingMatt Gutting
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So we need a exact defition of "dawn" (my gut feeling says there is one in the older canonical literature). Englisch Wikipedia knows astronomical (18°), nautical (12°) and civil dawn (6° below the horizon). Latin Wikipedia knows (in the stub article Aurora) only the definition 6° below the horizon.
– K-HB
9 hours ago
1
On your explanation: When Lauds were to be reciteted at dawn, why mass shold not be said before one hour before dawn?
– K-HB
9 hours ago
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"Aurora" in Latin means "dawn", as opposed to "sunrise" (which is "ortus solis", the rising of the sun). This would mean, more or less, the period at which the sky was visibly bright.
The reason for selecting this time was undoubtedly so that Mass would not fall before celebration of Lauds, that part of the Divine Office which was intended to open the day. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "The office of Lauds was supposed to be recited at dawn." It seems likely that this general directive could be interpreted differently by various priests, and surely some priests celebrated Lauds quite early in the morning. Hence the directive in the 1917 Code made sure that no matter how early Lauds was celebrated, Mass would come after it. (In convents or monasteries which celebrate the Divine Office, the first Mass of the day is often celebrated immediately after, or at least very shortly after, the end of Lauds.
answered 13 hours ago
Matt GuttingMatt Gutting
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So we need a exact defition of "dawn" (my gut feeling says there is one in the older canonical literature). Englisch Wikipedia knows astronomical (18°), nautical (12°) and civil dawn (6° below the horizon). Latin Wikipedia knows (in the stub article Aurora) only the definition 6° below the horizon.
– K-HB
9 hours ago
1
On your explanation: When Lauds were to be reciteted at dawn, why mass shold not be said before one hour before dawn?
– K-HB
9 hours ago
add a comment |
"Aurora" in Latin means "dawn", as opposed to "sunrise" (which is "ortus solis", the rising of the sun). This would mean, more or less, the period at which the sky was visibly bright.
The reason for selecting this time was undoubtedly so that Mass would not fall before celebration of Lauds, that part of the Divine Office which was intended to open the day. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "The office of Lauds was supposed to be recited at dawn." It seems likely that this general directive could be interpreted differently by various priests, and surely some priests celebrated Lauds quite early in the morning. Hence the directive in the 1917 Code made sure that no matter how early Lauds was celebrated, Mass would come after it. (In convents or monasteries which celebrate the Divine Office, the first Mass of the day is often celebrated immediately after, or at least very shortly after, the end of Lauds.
answered 13 hours ago
Matt GuttingMatt Gutting
16.6k33473
So we need a exact defition of "dawn" (my gut feeling says there is one in the older canonical literature). Englisch Wikipedia knows astronomical (18°), nautical (12°) and civil dawn (6° below the horizon). Latin Wikipedia knows (in the stub article Aurora) only the definition 6° below the horizon.
– K-HB
9 hours ago
1
On your explanation: When Lauds were to be reciteted at dawn, why mass shold not be said before one hour before dawn?
– K-HB
9 hours ago
add a comment |
"Aurora" in Latin means "dawn", as opposed to "sunrise" (which is "ortus solis", the rising of the sun). This would mean, more or less, the period at which the sky was visibly bright.
The reason for selecting this time was undoubtedly so that Mass would not fall before celebration of Lauds, that part of the Divine Office which was intended to open the day. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "The office of Lauds was supposed to be recited at dawn." It seems likely that this general directive could be interpreted differently by various priests, and surely some priests celebrated Lauds quite early in the morning. Hence the directive in the 1917 Code made sure that no matter how early Lauds was celebrated, Mass would come after it. (In convents or monasteries which celebrate the Divine Office, the first Mass of the day is often celebrated immediately after, or at least very shortly after, the end of Lauds.
answered 13 hours ago
Matt GuttingMatt Gutting
16.6k33473
"Aurora" in Latin means "dawn", as opposed to "sunrise" (which is "ortus solis", the rising of the sun). This would mean, more or less, the period at which the sky was visibly bright.
The reason for selecting this time was undoubtedly so that Mass would not fall before celebration of Lauds, that part of the Divine Office which was intended to open the day. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "The office of Lauds was supposed to be recited at dawn." It seems likely that this general directive could be interpreted differently by various priests, and surely some priests celebrated Lauds quite early in the morning. Hence the directive in the 1917 Code made sure that no matter how early Lauds was celebrated, Mass would come after it. (In convents or monasteries which celebrate the Divine Office, the first Mass of the day is often celebrated immediately after, or at least very shortly after, the end of Lauds.
answered 13 hours ago
Matt GuttingMatt Gutting
16.6k33473
answered 13 hours ago
Matt GuttingMatt Gutting
16.6k33473
answered 13 hours ago
Matt GuttingMatt Gutting
16.6k33473
answered 13 hours ago
Matt GuttingMatt Gutting
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16.6k33473
So we need a exact defition of "dawn" (my gut feeling says there is one in the older canonical literature). Englisch Wikipedia knows astronomical (18°), nautical (12°) and civil dawn (6° below the horizon). Latin Wikipedia knows (in the stub article Aurora) only the definition 6° below the horizon.
– K-HB
9 hours ago
1
On your explanation: When Lauds were to be reciteted at dawn, why mass shold not be said before one hour before dawn?
– K-HB
9 hours ago
add a comment |
So we need a exact defition of "dawn" (my gut feeling says there is one in the older canonical literature). Englisch Wikipedia knows astronomical (18°), nautical (12°) and civil dawn (6° below the horizon). Latin Wikipedia knows (in the stub article Aurora) only the definition 6° below the horizon.
– K-HB
9 hours ago
1
On your explanation: When Lauds were to be reciteted at dawn, why mass shold not be said before one hour before dawn?
– K-HB
9 hours ago
So we need a exact defition of "dawn" (my gut feeling says there is one in the older canonical literature). Englisch Wikipedia knows astronomical (18°), nautical (12°) and civil dawn (6° below the horizon). Latin Wikipedia knows (in the stub article Aurora) only the definition 6° below the horizon.
– K-HB
9 hours ago
So we need a exact defition of "dawn" (my gut feeling says there is one in the older canonical literature). Englisch Wikipedia knows astronomical (18°), nautical (12°) and civil dawn (6° below the horizon). Latin Wikipedia knows (in the stub article Aurora) only the definition 6° below the horizon.
– K-HB
9 hours ago
1
1
On your explanation: When Lauds were to be reciteted at dawn, why mass shold not be said before one hour before dawn?
– K-HB
9 hours ago
On your explanation: When Lauds were to be reciteted at dawn, why mass shold not be said before one hour before dawn?
– K-HB
9 hours ago
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Possible duplicate of Can Mass be celebrated at any hour of the day? This questin has an answer for the 1957 missal. "A private Mass can be said at least after Matins and Lauds from one hour before sunrise until 1:00 PM."
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
@KenGraham There Geremia just translates "aurora" with "sunrise". The details of that are not the scope of that question. So I asked a new.
– K-HB
8 hours ago
Dawn, sunrise or twilight? It is a question of nuance. Aurora means "dawn" in English, but can be interpreted as sunrise.
– Ken Graham
8 hours ago
@KenGraham And this nuance is the question here. I cannot imagine there was no canonist thinking about this.
– K-HB
8 hours ago