/bin/ls output does not match manpage
ls manpage says:
List information about the FILEs (the current directory by
default). Sort entries alphabetically if none of -cftuvSUX nor --sort
is specified.
and
-a, --all do not ignore entries starting with .
and
-1 list one file per line.
but
/bin/ls -a1
lists entries alphabetically by the filename with any leading . removed, which is not alphabetically.
The sort command does the same.
Is there any way to get ls to work the normal way (with . files first - which isn't alphabetic either)?
command-line ls
edited 13 hours ago
Melebius
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ls manpage says:
List information about the FILEs (the current directory by
default). Sort entries alphabetically if none of -cftuvSUX nor --sort
is specified.
and
-a, --all do not ignore entries starting with .
and
-1 list one file per line.
but
/bin/ls -a1
lists entries alphabetically by the filename with any leading . removed, which is not alphabetically.
The sort command does the same.
Is there any way to get ls to work the normal way (with . files first - which isn't alphabetic either)?
command-line ls
edited 13 hours ago
Melebius
5,03752040
asked 14 hours ago
David LedgerDavid Ledger
383
4
The period isn't in the alphabet, hence it's locale-dependent, per steeldriver's answer.
– wjandrea
13 hours ago
You do understand that files and folders that start with.are hidden, correct?
– Terrance
12 hours ago
1
I think that's why the OP uses the-aoption.
– Arronical
11 hours ago
It's doing exactly what it says in the man page: sorting the files alphabetically. It sounds like you want them sorted in ASCIIbetical order instead.
– Mark
4 hours ago
add a comment |
ls manpage says:
List information about the FILEs (the current directory by
default). Sort entries alphabetically if none of -cftuvSUX nor --sort
is specified.
and
-a, --all do not ignore entries starting with .
and
-1 list one file per line.
but
/bin/ls -a1
lists entries alphabetically by the filename with any leading . removed, which is not alphabetically.
The sort command does the same.
Is there any way to get ls to work the normal way (with . files first - which isn't alphabetic either)?
command-line ls
edited 13 hours ago
Melebius
5,03752040
asked 14 hours ago
David LedgerDavid Ledger
383
ls manpage says:
List information about the FILEs (the current directory by
default). Sort entries alphabetically if none of -cftuvSUX nor --sort
is specified.
and
-a, --all do not ignore entries starting with .
and
-1 list one file per line.
but
/bin/ls -a1
lists entries alphabetically by the filename with any leading . removed, which is not alphabetically.
The sort command does the same.
Is there any way to get ls to work the normal way (with . files first - which isn't alphabetic either)?
command-line ls
command-line ls
edited 13 hours ago
Melebius
5,03752040
asked 14 hours ago
David LedgerDavid Ledger
383
edited 13 hours ago
Melebius
5,03752040
asked 14 hours ago
David LedgerDavid Ledger
383
edited 13 hours ago
Melebius
5,03752040
edited 13 hours ago
Melebius
5,03752040
edited 13 hours ago
Melebius
5,03752040
5,03752040
asked 14 hours ago
David LedgerDavid Ledger
383
asked 14 hours ago
David LedgerDavid Ledger
383
asked 14 hours ago
David LedgerDavid Ledger
383
383
4
The period isn't in the alphabet, hence it's locale-dependent, per steeldriver's answer.
– wjandrea
13 hours ago
You do understand that files and folders that start with.are hidden, correct?
– Terrance
12 hours ago
1
I think that's why the OP uses the-aoption.
– Arronical
11 hours ago
It's doing exactly what it says in the man page: sorting the files alphabetically. It sounds like you want them sorted in ASCIIbetical order instead.
– Mark
4 hours ago
add a comment |
4
The period isn't in the alphabet, hence it's locale-dependent, per steeldriver's answer.
– wjandrea
13 hours ago
You do understand that files and folders that start with.are hidden, correct?
– Terrance
12 hours ago
1
I think that's why the OP uses the-aoption.
– Arronical
11 hours ago
It's doing exactly what it says in the man page: sorting the files alphabetically. It sounds like you want them sorted in ASCIIbetical order instead.
– Mark
4 hours ago
4
4
The period isn't in the alphabet, hence it's locale-dependent, per steeldriver's answer.
– wjandrea
13 hours ago
The period isn't in the alphabet, hence it's locale-dependent, per steeldriver's answer.
– wjandrea
13 hours ago
You do understand that files and folders that start with
. are hidden, correct?– Terrance
12 hours ago
You do understand that files and folders that start with
. are hidden, correct?– Terrance
12 hours ago
1
1
I think that's why the OP uses the
-a option.– Arronical
11 hours ago
I think that's why the OP uses the
-a option.– Arronical
11 hours ago
It's doing exactly what it says in the man page: sorting the files alphabetically. It sounds like you want them sorted in ASCIIbetical order instead.
– Mark
4 hours ago
It's doing exactly what it says in the man page: sorting the files alphabetically. It sounds like you want them sorted in ASCIIbetical order instead.
– Mark
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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The order is determined by the collation sequence of your locale.
Ex. in my default locale (which is en_CA.UTF-8)
$ ls -A1
a
.b
c
whereas in the C locale
$ LC_COLLATE=C ls -A1
.b
a
c
(I used -A instead of -a to eliminate the . and .. directories).
Another way to get the order you want might be to use the -v (version sort) option as suggested in Grouping hidden files and directories with ls - although that's not really what it is intended for:
-v natural sort of (version) numbers within text
Since ls is almost certainly already aliased inside your .bashrc file, you could simply modify the alias(es) there to include the -v.
answered 14 hours ago
steeldriversteeldriver
69.2k11114185
None of my LC_ variables are set. I'm surprised that the default does something complicated rather something simple. LC_ALL=C now in my startup files.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
1
@DavidLedger to see your locale settings, typelocale(they don't appear explicitly as environment variables unless you set them as such)
– steeldriver
13 hours ago
Yes, that was set to en_US.UTF-8 I'm a shell person since '83, so locale generally makes no difference at all. Thanks.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
Try addingexport LC_ALL=Cto your.profile.
– John Wiersba
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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The order is determined by the collation sequence of your locale.
Ex. in my default locale (which is en_CA.UTF-8)
$ ls -A1
a
.b
c
whereas in the C locale
$ LC_COLLATE=C ls -A1
.b
a
c
(I used -A instead of -a to eliminate the . and .. directories).
Another way to get the order you want might be to use the -v (version sort) option as suggested in Grouping hidden files and directories with ls - although that's not really what it is intended for:
-v natural sort of (version) numbers within text
Since ls is almost certainly already aliased inside your .bashrc file, you could simply modify the alias(es) there to include the -v.
answered 14 hours ago
steeldriversteeldriver
69.2k11114185
None of my LC_ variables are set. I'm surprised that the default does something complicated rather something simple. LC_ALL=C now in my startup files.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
1
@DavidLedger to see your locale settings, typelocale(they don't appear explicitly as environment variables unless you set them as such)
– steeldriver
13 hours ago
Yes, that was set to en_US.UTF-8 I'm a shell person since '83, so locale generally makes no difference at all. Thanks.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
Try addingexport LC_ALL=Cto your.profile.
– John Wiersba
4 hours ago
add a comment |
The order is determined by the collation sequence of your locale.
Ex. in my default locale (which is en_CA.UTF-8)
$ ls -A1
a
.b
c
whereas in the C locale
$ LC_COLLATE=C ls -A1
.b
a
c
(I used -A instead of -a to eliminate the . and .. directories).
Another way to get the order you want might be to use the -v (version sort) option as suggested in Grouping hidden files and directories with ls - although that's not really what it is intended for:
-v natural sort of (version) numbers within text
Since ls is almost certainly already aliased inside your .bashrc file, you could simply modify the alias(es) there to include the -v.
answered 14 hours ago
steeldriversteeldriver
69.2k11114185
None of my LC_ variables are set. I'm surprised that the default does something complicated rather something simple. LC_ALL=C now in my startup files.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
1
@DavidLedger to see your locale settings, typelocale(they don't appear explicitly as environment variables unless you set them as such)
– steeldriver
13 hours ago
Yes, that was set to en_US.UTF-8 I'm a shell person since '83, so locale generally makes no difference at all. Thanks.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
Try addingexport LC_ALL=Cto your.profile.
– John Wiersba
4 hours ago
add a comment |
The order is determined by the collation sequence of your locale.
Ex. in my default locale (which is en_CA.UTF-8)
$ ls -A1
a
.b
c
whereas in the C locale
$ LC_COLLATE=C ls -A1
.b
a
c
(I used -A instead of -a to eliminate the . and .. directories).
Another way to get the order you want might be to use the -v (version sort) option as suggested in Grouping hidden files and directories with ls - although that's not really what it is intended for:
-v natural sort of (version) numbers within text
Since ls is almost certainly already aliased inside your .bashrc file, you could simply modify the alias(es) there to include the -v.
answered 14 hours ago
steeldriversteeldriver
69.2k11114185
The order is determined by the collation sequence of your locale.
Ex. in my default locale (which is en_CA.UTF-8)
$ ls -A1
a
.b
c
whereas in the C locale
$ LC_COLLATE=C ls -A1
.b
a
c
(I used -A instead of -a to eliminate the . and .. directories).
Another way to get the order you want might be to use the -v (version sort) option as suggested in Grouping hidden files and directories with ls - although that's not really what it is intended for:
-v natural sort of (version) numbers within text
Since ls is almost certainly already aliased inside your .bashrc file, you could simply modify the alias(es) there to include the -v.
answered 14 hours ago
steeldriversteeldriver
69.2k11114185
edited 12 hours ago
answered 14 hours ago
steeldriversteeldriver
69.2k11114185
answered 14 hours ago
steeldriversteeldriver
69.2k11114185
answered 14 hours ago
steeldriversteeldriver
69.2k11114185
69.2k11114185
None of my LC_ variables are set. I'm surprised that the default does something complicated rather something simple. LC_ALL=C now in my startup files.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
1
@DavidLedger to see your locale settings, typelocale(they don't appear explicitly as environment variables unless you set them as such)
– steeldriver
13 hours ago
Yes, that was set to en_US.UTF-8 I'm a shell person since '83, so locale generally makes no difference at all. Thanks.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
Try addingexport LC_ALL=Cto your.profile.
– John Wiersba
4 hours ago
add a comment |
None of my LC_ variables are set. I'm surprised that the default does something complicated rather something simple. LC_ALL=C now in my startup files.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
1
@DavidLedger to see your locale settings, typelocale(they don't appear explicitly as environment variables unless you set them as such)
– steeldriver
13 hours ago
Yes, that was set to en_US.UTF-8 I'm a shell person since '83, so locale generally makes no difference at all. Thanks.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
Try addingexport LC_ALL=Cto your.profile.
– John Wiersba
4 hours ago
None of my LC_ variables are set. I'm surprised that the default does something complicated rather something simple. LC_ALL=C now in my startup files.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
None of my LC_ variables are set. I'm surprised that the default does something complicated rather something simple. LC_ALL=C now in my startup files.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
1
1
@DavidLedger to see your locale settings, type
locale (they don't appear explicitly as environment variables unless you set them as such)– steeldriver
13 hours ago
@DavidLedger to see your locale settings, type
locale (they don't appear explicitly as environment variables unless you set them as such)– steeldriver
13 hours ago
Yes, that was set to en_US.UTF-8 I'm a shell person since '83, so locale generally makes no difference at all. Thanks.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
Yes, that was set to en_US.UTF-8 I'm a shell person since '83, so locale generally makes no difference at all. Thanks.
– David Ledger
13 hours ago
Try adding
export LC_ALL=C to your .profile.– John Wiersba
4 hours ago
Try adding
export LC_ALL=C to your .profile.– John Wiersba
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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The period isn't in the alphabet, hence it's locale-dependent, per steeldriver's answer.
– wjandrea
13 hours ago
You do understand that files and folders that start with
.are hidden, correct?– Terrance
12 hours ago
1
I think that's why the OP uses the
-aoption.– Arronical
11 hours ago
It's doing exactly what it says in the man page: sorting the files alphabetically. It sounds like you want them sorted in ASCIIbetical order instead.
– Mark
4 hours ago