A Short Dice Puzzle II












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A standard $6$-sided die is put inside a cup. The cup is shaken and put upside-down, hiding the die.



You are going to guess what is the number on the top of the die.

But, instead of given $6$ options, there are only $2$ options for you:




  • It is $6$, or

  • It is not $6$ (i.e. it is between $1$ to $5$).


After you choose your guess, the cup is opened, and you will win if the die matches with your guess.




You are going to play this game $600$ times, and you want to win as many as possible.



There are these two possible strategies:




  1. Always go for the second option (not $6$), or

  2. You "imitate" the roll: you bring a new die and roll it.

    If it rolls $6$ then guess $6$, if not $6$ then guess not $6$.


Which strategy will you choose? Do you have any better strategy?










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    Hey athin. I'm just going to be incredibly pedantic here, but your description doesn't include ever looking at the result. It says the die is hidden throughout.
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    – AJFaraday
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    Unless I'm missing something, the answer seems incredibly obvious...
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    – Chris Sunami
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    This could be a lot more interesting if you had two identical unfair dice.
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    @Chris Sunami, I don't know.. but I and my friends were trying to solve them in minds, and without proper calculation we thought the answer was quite opposite than the correct one.
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    – athin
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    @athin: A good way to mentally solve this is to exaggerate the probabilities. Let's say we're looking at an empty food bowl and there are two possibilities: (1) the dog ate it (almost definitely true) (2) aliens stole the dog food (astronomically unlikely). Every day, you look at an empty food bowl and make an assumption. Does it intuitively seem likely to you that intentionally guessing "aliens" once in a while is going to increase your chances to be correct? If there was a 50/50 split between the options, it wouldn't matter. But it matters when probability vastly favors one over the other.
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$begingroup$



A standard $6$-sided die is put inside a cup. The cup is shaken and put upside-down, hiding the die.



You are going to guess what is the number on the top of the die.

But, instead of given $6$ options, there are only $2$ options for you:




  • It is $6$, or

  • It is not $6$ (i.e. it is between $1$ to $5$).


After you choose your guess, the cup is opened, and you will win if the die matches with your guess.




You are going to play this game $600$ times, and you want to win as many as possible.



There are these two possible strategies:




  1. Always go for the second option (not $6$), or

  2. You "imitate" the roll: you bring a new die and roll it.

    If it rolls $6$ then guess $6$, if not $6$ then guess not $6$.


Which strategy will you choose? Do you have any better strategy?










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  • $begingroup$
    Hey athin. I'm just going to be incredibly pedantic here, but your description doesn't include ever looking at the result. It says the die is hidden throughout.
    $endgroup$
    – AJFaraday
    yesterday






  • 6




    $begingroup$
    Unless I'm missing something, the answer seems incredibly obvious...
    $endgroup$
    – Chris Sunami
    yesterday






  • 1




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    This could be a lot more interesting if you had two identical unfair dice.
    $endgroup$
    – MooseBoys
    yesterday










  • $begingroup$
    @Chris Sunami, I don't know.. but I and my friends were trying to solve them in minds, and without proper calculation we thought the answer was quite opposite than the correct one.
    $endgroup$
    – athin
    yesterday










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    @athin: A good way to mentally solve this is to exaggerate the probabilities. Let's say we're looking at an empty food bowl and there are two possibilities: (1) the dog ate it (almost definitely true) (2) aliens stole the dog food (astronomically unlikely). Every day, you look at an empty food bowl and make an assumption. Does it intuitively seem likely to you that intentionally guessing "aliens" once in a while is going to increase your chances to be correct? If there was a 50/50 split between the options, it wouldn't matter. But it matters when probability vastly favors one over the other.
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    – Flater
    17 hours ago
















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A standard $6$-sided die is put inside a cup. The cup is shaken and put upside-down, hiding the die.



You are going to guess what is the number on the top of the die.

But, instead of given $6$ options, there are only $2$ options for you:




  • It is $6$, or

  • It is not $6$ (i.e. it is between $1$ to $5$).


After you choose your guess, the cup is opened, and you will win if the die matches with your guess.




You are going to play this game $600$ times, and you want to win as many as possible.



There are these two possible strategies:




  1. Always go for the second option (not $6$), or

  2. You "imitate" the roll: you bring a new die and roll it.

    If it rolls $6$ then guess $6$, if not $6$ then guess not $6$.


Which strategy will you choose? Do you have any better strategy?










share|improve this question











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A standard $6$-sided die is put inside a cup. The cup is shaken and put upside-down, hiding the die.



You are going to guess what is the number on the top of the die.

But, instead of given $6$ options, there are only $2$ options for you:




  • It is $6$, or

  • It is not $6$ (i.e. it is between $1$ to $5$).


After you choose your guess, the cup is opened, and you will win if the die matches with your guess.




You are going to play this game $600$ times, and you want to win as many as possible.



There are these two possible strategies:




  1. Always go for the second option (not $6$), or

  2. You "imitate" the roll: you bring a new die and roll it.

    If it rolls $6$ then guess $6$, if not $6$ then guess not $6$.


Which strategy will you choose? Do you have any better strategy?







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  • $begingroup$
    Hey athin. I'm just going to be incredibly pedantic here, but your description doesn't include ever looking at the result. It says the die is hidden throughout.
    $endgroup$
    – AJFaraday
    yesterday






  • 6




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    Unless I'm missing something, the answer seems incredibly obvious...
    $endgroup$
    – Chris Sunami
    yesterday






  • 1




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    This could be a lot more interesting if you had two identical unfair dice.
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    – MooseBoys
    yesterday










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    @Chris Sunami, I don't know.. but I and my friends were trying to solve them in minds, and without proper calculation we thought the answer was quite opposite than the correct one.
    $endgroup$
    – athin
    yesterday










  • $begingroup$
    @athin: A good way to mentally solve this is to exaggerate the probabilities. Let's say we're looking at an empty food bowl and there are two possibilities: (1) the dog ate it (almost definitely true) (2) aliens stole the dog food (astronomically unlikely). Every day, you look at an empty food bowl and make an assumption. Does it intuitively seem likely to you that intentionally guessing "aliens" once in a while is going to increase your chances to be correct? If there was a 50/50 split between the options, it wouldn't matter. But it matters when probability vastly favors one over the other.
    $endgroup$
    – Flater
    17 hours ago




















  • $begingroup$
    Hey athin. I'm just going to be incredibly pedantic here, but your description doesn't include ever looking at the result. It says the die is hidden throughout.
    $endgroup$
    – AJFaraday
    yesterday






  • 6




    $begingroup$
    Unless I'm missing something, the answer seems incredibly obvious...
    $endgroup$
    – Chris Sunami
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    This could be a lot more interesting if you had two identical unfair dice.
    $endgroup$
    – MooseBoys
    yesterday










  • $begingroup$
    @Chris Sunami, I don't know.. but I and my friends were trying to solve them in minds, and without proper calculation we thought the answer was quite opposite than the correct one.
    $endgroup$
    – athin
    yesterday










  • $begingroup$
    @athin: A good way to mentally solve this is to exaggerate the probabilities. Let's say we're looking at an empty food bowl and there are two possibilities: (1) the dog ate it (almost definitely true) (2) aliens stole the dog food (astronomically unlikely). Every day, you look at an empty food bowl and make an assumption. Does it intuitively seem likely to you that intentionally guessing "aliens" once in a while is going to increase your chances to be correct? If there was a 50/50 split between the options, it wouldn't matter. But it matters when probability vastly favors one over the other.
    $endgroup$
    – Flater
    17 hours ago


















$begingroup$
Hey athin. I'm just going to be incredibly pedantic here, but your description doesn't include ever looking at the result. It says the die is hidden throughout.
$endgroup$
– AJFaraday
yesterday




$begingroup$
Hey athin. I'm just going to be incredibly pedantic here, but your description doesn't include ever looking at the result. It says the die is hidden throughout.
$endgroup$
– AJFaraday
yesterday




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Unless I'm missing something, the answer seems incredibly obvious...
$endgroup$
– Chris Sunami
yesterday




$begingroup$
Unless I'm missing something, the answer seems incredibly obvious...
$endgroup$
– Chris Sunami
yesterday




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This could be a lot more interesting if you had two identical unfair dice.
$endgroup$
– MooseBoys
yesterday




$begingroup$
This could be a lot more interesting if you had two identical unfair dice.
$endgroup$
– MooseBoys
yesterday












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@Chris Sunami, I don't know.. but I and my friends were trying to solve them in minds, and without proper calculation we thought the answer was quite opposite than the correct one.
$endgroup$
– athin
yesterday




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@Chris Sunami, I don't know.. but I and my friends were trying to solve them in minds, and without proper calculation we thought the answer was quite opposite than the correct one.
$endgroup$
– athin
yesterday












$begingroup$
@athin: A good way to mentally solve this is to exaggerate the probabilities. Let's say we're looking at an empty food bowl and there are two possibilities: (1) the dog ate it (almost definitely true) (2) aliens stole the dog food (astronomically unlikely). Every day, you look at an empty food bowl and make an assumption. Does it intuitively seem likely to you that intentionally guessing "aliens" once in a while is going to increase your chances to be correct? If there was a 50/50 split between the options, it wouldn't matter. But it matters when probability vastly favors one over the other.
$endgroup$
– Flater
17 hours ago






$begingroup$
@athin: A good way to mentally solve this is to exaggerate the probabilities. Let's say we're looking at an empty food bowl and there are two possibilities: (1) the dog ate it (almost definitely true) (2) aliens stole the dog food (astronomically unlikely). Every day, you look at an empty food bowl and make an assumption. Does it intuitively seem likely to you that intentionally guessing "aliens" once in a while is going to increase your chances to be correct? If there was a 50/50 split between the options, it wouldn't matter. But it matters when probability vastly favors one over the other.
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Answer:




Strategy 1 is better than strategy 2.




Explanation:




Using strategy 1, you will on average get $frac{600times5}6 = 500$ correct guesses.

Using strategy 2, this is in effect, the same as guessing 'not 6' 500 times and '6' 100 times. But they wouldn't always line up, so your overall average number of successes would be $frac{500times5}6 + frac{100times1}6 = 433.bar3$.

This is obviously less than the 500 from strategy 1 so strategy 1 would be the better pick.







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    Sorry for spoilers, deleted. I suppose I just miss seeing the probabilities multiplied/added to get the overall percentages each way, which seems like the general answer.
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If you choose the '6' option you are right 1 in 6 times. If you choose the 'not 6' option, you are right 5 in 6 times. If in every 6 throws you choose the '6' option k times, then you will have chosen the '6' option $100k$ times and the 'not 6' option $100(6-k)$ times over all 600 throws. This equates to being right $$frac{100k}{6}+frac{500(6-k)}{6}=frac{3000-400k}{6}=500-66frac23 k$$ times in 600.


Your option 1 sets $k=0$ and option 2 sets $k=1$, so option 1 gives the better results.







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    It is a fallacy that you can use one random event to predict another
    random event.


    A common example is when throwing a coin that keeps coming up heads,
    assuming that the chance of the next flip being tails increases. It
    remains 50/50 and has nothing to do with the previous throw (unless it
    is a trick).


    The odds are calculated in another answer, here is a little program
    that examines the situation empirically. It doesn't matter how many
    times the dice are thrown so to avoid the notorious
    PRNG
    the 36 possible combinations are examined.


     
    #include <stdio.h>

    int main(void)
    {
    int throw1, throw2;
    int wins1 = 0, wins2 = 0;

    for(throw1 = 1; throw1 <= 6; throw1++) {
    for(throw2 = 1; throw2 <= 6; throw2++) {

    // always choose < 6
    if(throw1 < 6)
    wins1 += 1;

    // choose the same as the other throw
    if((throw2 < 6 && throw1 < 6) || (throw2 == 6 && throw1 == 6))
    wins2 += 1;
    }
    }
    printf(" wins chancen");
    printf("1. %d %fn", wins1, wins1 / 36.0);
    printf("2. %d %fn", wins2, wins2 / 36.0);
    return 0;
    }


    Program output:

     
    wins chance
    1. 30 0.833333
    2. 26 0.722222


    So strategy (1) is better.


    Is there a better strategy?




    No, you cannot beat the odds.







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      It doesn't matter how many times you will play - 600, 7000, or 800000.


      The first strategy gives you a 5/6 probability to win in each attempt.


      If you choose the second one you win only if numbers on both dices match.

      And it gives you a (1/6)(1/6)+(5/6)(5/6) = 26/36 probability to win which
      is obviously less than 5/6 (30/36).



      So the first strategy is definitely better than the second.







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        Answer:




        Strategy 1 is better than strategy 2.




        Explanation:




        Using strategy 1, you will on average get $frac{600times5}6 = 500$ correct guesses.

        Using strategy 2, this is in effect, the same as guessing 'not 6' 500 times and '6' 100 times. But they wouldn't always line up, so your overall average number of successes would be $frac{500times5}6 + frac{100times1}6 = 433.bar3$.

        This is obviously less than the 500 from strategy 1 so strategy 1 would be the better pick.







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          @Gregor please don't post spoilers in comments. I feel like my method is exactly the same as yours with a slight different order of operations.
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          – AHKieran
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          Sorry for spoilers, deleted. I suppose I just miss seeing the probabilities multiplied/added to get the overall percentages each way, which seems like the general answer.
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          – Gregor
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        $begingroup$

        Answer:




        Strategy 1 is better than strategy 2.




        Explanation:




        Using strategy 1, you will on average get $frac{600times5}6 = 500$ correct guesses.

        Using strategy 2, this is in effect, the same as guessing 'not 6' 500 times and '6' 100 times. But they wouldn't always line up, so your overall average number of successes would be $frac{500times5}6 + frac{100times1}6 = 433.bar3$.

        This is obviously less than the 500 from strategy 1 so strategy 1 would be the better pick.







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          @Gregor please don't post spoilers in comments. I feel like my method is exactly the same as yours with a slight different order of operations.
          $endgroup$
          – AHKieran
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          Sorry for spoilers, deleted. I suppose I just miss seeing the probabilities multiplied/added to get the overall percentages each way, which seems like the general answer.
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        Answer:




        Strategy 1 is better than strategy 2.




        Explanation:




        Using strategy 1, you will on average get $frac{600times5}6 = 500$ correct guesses.

        Using strategy 2, this is in effect, the same as guessing 'not 6' 500 times and '6' 100 times. But they wouldn't always line up, so your overall average number of successes would be $frac{500times5}6 + frac{100times1}6 = 433.bar3$.

        This is obviously less than the 500 from strategy 1 so strategy 1 would be the better pick.







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        Answer:




        Strategy 1 is better than strategy 2.




        Explanation:




        Using strategy 1, you will on average get $frac{600times5}6 = 500$ correct guesses.

        Using strategy 2, this is in effect, the same as guessing 'not 6' 500 times and '6' 100 times. But they wouldn't always line up, so your overall average number of successes would be $frac{500times5}6 + frac{100times1}6 = 433.bar3$.

        This is obviously less than the 500 from strategy 1 so strategy 1 would be the better pick.








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          @Gregor please don't post spoilers in comments. I feel like my method is exactly the same as yours with a slight different order of operations.
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          – AHKieran
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          Sorry for spoilers, deleted. I suppose I just miss seeing the probabilities multiplied/added to get the overall percentages each way, which seems like the general answer.
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          @Gregor please don't post spoilers in comments. I feel like my method is exactly the same as yours with a slight different order of operations.
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          Sorry for spoilers, deleted. I suppose I just miss seeing the probabilities multiplied/added to get the overall percentages each way, which seems like the general answer.
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        @Gregor please don't post spoilers in comments. I feel like my method is exactly the same as yours with a slight different order of operations.
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        – AHKieran
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        @Gregor please don't post spoilers in comments. I feel like my method is exactly the same as yours with a slight different order of operations.
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        Sorry for spoilers, deleted. I suppose I just miss seeing the probabilities multiplied/added to get the overall percentages each way, which seems like the general answer.
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        – Gregor
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        If you choose the '6' option you are right 1 in 6 times. If you choose the 'not 6' option, you are right 5 in 6 times. If in every 6 throws you choose the '6' option k times, then you will have chosen the '6' option $100k$ times and the 'not 6' option $100(6-k)$ times over all 600 throws. This equates to being right $$frac{100k}{6}+frac{500(6-k)}{6}=frac{3000-400k}{6}=500-66frac23 k$$ times in 600.


        Your option 1 sets $k=0$ and option 2 sets $k=1$, so option 1 gives the better results.







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          If you choose the '6' option you are right 1 in 6 times. If you choose the 'not 6' option, you are right 5 in 6 times. If in every 6 throws you choose the '6' option k times, then you will have chosen the '6' option $100k$ times and the 'not 6' option $100(6-k)$ times over all 600 throws. This equates to being right $$frac{100k}{6}+frac{500(6-k)}{6}=frac{3000-400k}{6}=500-66frac23 k$$ times in 600.


          Your option 1 sets $k=0$ and option 2 sets $k=1$, so option 1 gives the better results.







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            If you choose the '6' option you are right 1 in 6 times. If you choose the 'not 6' option, you are right 5 in 6 times. If in every 6 throws you choose the '6' option k times, then you will have chosen the '6' option $100k$ times and the 'not 6' option $100(6-k)$ times over all 600 throws. This equates to being right $$frac{100k}{6}+frac{500(6-k)}{6}=frac{3000-400k}{6}=500-66frac23 k$$ times in 600.


            Your option 1 sets $k=0$ and option 2 sets $k=1$, so option 1 gives the better results.







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            If you choose the '6' option you are right 1 in 6 times. If you choose the 'not 6' option, you are right 5 in 6 times. If in every 6 throws you choose the '6' option k times, then you will have chosen the '6' option $100k$ times and the 'not 6' option $100(6-k)$ times over all 600 throws. This equates to being right $$frac{100k}{6}+frac{500(6-k)}{6}=frac{3000-400k}{6}=500-66frac23 k$$ times in 600.


            Your option 1 sets $k=0$ and option 2 sets $k=1$, so option 1 gives the better results.








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                It is a fallacy that you can use one random event to predict another
                random event.


                A common example is when throwing a coin that keeps coming up heads,
                assuming that the chance of the next flip being tails increases. It
                remains 50/50 and has nothing to do with the previous throw (unless it
                is a trick).


                The odds are calculated in another answer, here is a little program
                that examines the situation empirically. It doesn't matter how many
                times the dice are thrown so to avoid the notorious
                PRNG
                the 36 possible combinations are examined.


                 
                #include <stdio.h>

                int main(void)
                {
                int throw1, throw2;
                int wins1 = 0, wins2 = 0;

                for(throw1 = 1; throw1 <= 6; throw1++) {
                for(throw2 = 1; throw2 <= 6; throw2++) {

                // always choose < 6
                if(throw1 < 6)
                wins1 += 1;

                // choose the same as the other throw
                if((throw2 < 6 && throw1 < 6) || (throw2 == 6 && throw1 == 6))
                wins2 += 1;
                }
                }
                printf(" wins chancen");
                printf("1. %d %fn", wins1, wins1 / 36.0);
                printf("2. %d %fn", wins2, wins2 / 36.0);
                return 0;
                }


                Program output:

                 
                wins chance
                1. 30 0.833333
                2. 26 0.722222


                So strategy (1) is better.


                Is there a better strategy?




                No, you cannot beat the odds.







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                  It is a fallacy that you can use one random event to predict another
                  random event.


                  A common example is when throwing a coin that keeps coming up heads,
                  assuming that the chance of the next flip being tails increases. It
                  remains 50/50 and has nothing to do with the previous throw (unless it
                  is a trick).


                  The odds are calculated in another answer, here is a little program
                  that examines the situation empirically. It doesn't matter how many
                  times the dice are thrown so to avoid the notorious
                  PRNG
                  the 36 possible combinations are examined.


                   
                  #include <stdio.h>

                  int main(void)
                  {
                  int throw1, throw2;
                  int wins1 = 0, wins2 = 0;

                  for(throw1 = 1; throw1 <= 6; throw1++) {
                  for(throw2 = 1; throw2 <= 6; throw2++) {

                  // always choose < 6
                  if(throw1 < 6)
                  wins1 += 1;

                  // choose the same as the other throw
                  if((throw2 < 6 && throw1 < 6) || (throw2 == 6 && throw1 == 6))
                  wins2 += 1;
                  }
                  }
                  printf(" wins chancen");
                  printf("1. %d %fn", wins1, wins1 / 36.0);
                  printf("2. %d %fn", wins2, wins2 / 36.0);
                  return 0;
                  }


                  Program output:

                   
                  wins chance
                  1. 30 0.833333
                  2. 26 0.722222


                  So strategy (1) is better.


                  Is there a better strategy?




                  No, you cannot beat the odds.







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                    It is a fallacy that you can use one random event to predict another
                    random event.


                    A common example is when throwing a coin that keeps coming up heads,
                    assuming that the chance of the next flip being tails increases. It
                    remains 50/50 and has nothing to do with the previous throw (unless it
                    is a trick).


                    The odds are calculated in another answer, here is a little program
                    that examines the situation empirically. It doesn't matter how many
                    times the dice are thrown so to avoid the notorious
                    PRNG
                    the 36 possible combinations are examined.


                     
                    #include <stdio.h>

                    int main(void)
                    {
                    int throw1, throw2;
                    int wins1 = 0, wins2 = 0;

                    for(throw1 = 1; throw1 <= 6; throw1++) {
                    for(throw2 = 1; throw2 <= 6; throw2++) {

                    // always choose < 6
                    if(throw1 < 6)
                    wins1 += 1;

                    // choose the same as the other throw
                    if((throw2 < 6 && throw1 < 6) || (throw2 == 6 && throw1 == 6))
                    wins2 += 1;
                    }
                    }
                    printf(" wins chancen");
                    printf("1. %d %fn", wins1, wins1 / 36.0);
                    printf("2. %d %fn", wins2, wins2 / 36.0);
                    return 0;
                    }


                    Program output:

                     
                    wins chance
                    1. 30 0.833333
                    2. 26 0.722222


                    So strategy (1) is better.


                    Is there a better strategy?




                    No, you cannot beat the odds.







                    share|improve this answer









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                    Answer




                    It is a fallacy that you can use one random event to predict another
                    random event.


                    A common example is when throwing a coin that keeps coming up heads,
                    assuming that the chance of the next flip being tails increases. It
                    remains 50/50 and has nothing to do with the previous throw (unless it
                    is a trick).


                    The odds are calculated in another answer, here is a little program
                    that examines the situation empirically. It doesn't matter how many
                    times the dice are thrown so to avoid the notorious
                    PRNG
                    the 36 possible combinations are examined.


                     
                    #include <stdio.h>

                    int main(void)
                    {
                    int throw1, throw2;
                    int wins1 = 0, wins2 = 0;

                    for(throw1 = 1; throw1 <= 6; throw1++) {
                    for(throw2 = 1; throw2 <= 6; throw2++) {

                    // always choose < 6
                    if(throw1 < 6)
                    wins1 += 1;

                    // choose the same as the other throw
                    if((throw2 < 6 && throw1 < 6) || (throw2 == 6 && throw1 == 6))
                    wins2 += 1;
                    }
                    }
                    printf(" wins chancen");
                    printf("1. %d %fn", wins1, wins1 / 36.0);
                    printf("2. %d %fn", wins2, wins2 / 36.0);
                    return 0;
                    }


                    Program output:

                     
                    wins chance
                    1. 30 0.833333
                    2. 26 0.722222


                    So strategy (1) is better.


                    Is there a better strategy?




                    No, you cannot beat the odds.








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                        It doesn't matter how many times you will play - 600, 7000, or 800000.


                        The first strategy gives you a 5/6 probability to win in each attempt.


                        If you choose the second one you win only if numbers on both dices match.

                        And it gives you a (1/6)(1/6)+(5/6)(5/6) = 26/36 probability to win which
                        is obviously less than 5/6 (30/36).



                        So the first strategy is definitely better than the second.







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                          It doesn't matter how many times you will play - 600, 7000, or 800000.


                          The first strategy gives you a 5/6 probability to win in each attempt.


                          If you choose the second one you win only if numbers on both dices match.

                          And it gives you a (1/6)(1/6)+(5/6)(5/6) = 26/36 probability to win which
                          is obviously less than 5/6 (30/36).



                          So the first strategy is definitely better than the second.







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                            It doesn't matter how many times you will play - 600, 7000, or 800000.


                            The first strategy gives you a 5/6 probability to win in each attempt.


                            If you choose the second one you win only if numbers on both dices match.

                            And it gives you a (1/6)(1/6)+(5/6)(5/6) = 26/36 probability to win which
                            is obviously less than 5/6 (30/36).



                            So the first strategy is definitely better than the second.







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                            It doesn't matter how many times you will play - 600, 7000, or 800000.


                            The first strategy gives you a 5/6 probability to win in each attempt.


                            If you choose the second one you win only if numbers on both dices match.

                            And it gives you a (1/6)(1/6)+(5/6)(5/6) = 26/36 probability to win which
                            is obviously less than 5/6 (30/36).



                            So the first strategy is definitely better than the second.








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