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A few years back I traveled to the States with a valid ESTA to attend one of those coding workshops in the Bay area.



I disclosed this with the immigration officer at border control and I was let it without any problem.



The workshop lasted less than 90 days but according to ESTA regulations, I could have only attended it if the teaching lessons were less than 18/hours a week. Technically this was a full-time workshop, but we only got 1-2 hours a day of actual lessons and the rest of the time was spend with the other students to work on projects together.



The problem is that now, many years later, I found out that the same workshop is issuing M1 visas for its foreign students. Apparently, they are now requiring M1 or F1 visas to attend the workshop and at the time they didn't discourage me to attend the workshop with my ESTA.



Ever since then I traveled to the States many other times and I got issues other ESTAs without problems. So now, what are my risks? I'm actually now married to a US citizen and we plan on moving back to the States in a few years. What would be the potential implications on my situation to my green card application?










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    This is a non issue. Don’t do it again but there is absolutely no need to bring it up to anyone now. Enjoy your new workshop on the new visa.

    – Hanky Panky
    16 hours ago






  • 3





    I agree, not a real issue. It seems the organizer was also confused. Now it is clear that you need a different visa. But I would also had difficulty to assess homework/teamwork hours. Note: possibly there were some changes in the rules (in the document on how to interpret rules). I would not worry about it

    – Giacomo Catenazzi
    15 hours ago






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    I wouldn't worry about it. Unless you're under criminal investigation, CBP is not going to review years old workshop schedules. If you have been in and out many times, you've proven you not an overstay risk.

    – Johns-305
    14 hours ago











  • @HankyPanky I highly doubt that he would be approved for a non-immigrant visa while married to a US Citizen with plans to move to the US. Probably gonna have to wait for green card for any travel to the US.

    – xyious
    10 hours ago






  • 1





    Flagged to move to expatriates site because you say your intention is to move there, while you have been traveling there regularly already. That said, if I were you I would delete this question as it’s a non-issue, until someone actively wants to get at you and finds your stackexchange profile.

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A few years back I traveled to the States with a valid ESTA to attend one of those coding workshops in the Bay area.



I disclosed this with the immigration officer at border control and I was let it without any problem.



The workshop lasted less than 90 days but according to ESTA regulations, I could have only attended it if the teaching lessons were less than 18/hours a week. Technically this was a full-time workshop, but we only got 1-2 hours a day of actual lessons and the rest of the time was spend with the other students to work on projects together.



The problem is that now, many years later, I found out that the same workshop is issuing M1 visas for its foreign students. Apparently, they are now requiring M1 or F1 visas to attend the workshop and at the time they didn't discourage me to attend the workshop with my ESTA.



Ever since then I traveled to the States many other times and I got issues other ESTAs without problems. So now, what are my risks? I'm actually now married to a US citizen and we plan on moving back to the States in a few years. What would be the potential implications on my situation to my green card application?










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    This is a non issue. Don’t do it again but there is absolutely no need to bring it up to anyone now. Enjoy your new workshop on the new visa.

    – Hanky Panky
    16 hours ago






  • 3





    I agree, not a real issue. It seems the organizer was also confused. Now it is clear that you need a different visa. But I would also had difficulty to assess homework/teamwork hours. Note: possibly there were some changes in the rules (in the document on how to interpret rules). I would not worry about it

    – Giacomo Catenazzi
    15 hours ago






  • 3





    I wouldn't worry about it. Unless you're under criminal investigation, CBP is not going to review years old workshop schedules. If you have been in and out many times, you've proven you not an overstay risk.

    – Johns-305
    14 hours ago











  • @HankyPanky I highly doubt that he would be approved for a non-immigrant visa while married to a US Citizen with plans to move to the US. Probably gonna have to wait for green card for any travel to the US.

    – xyious
    10 hours ago






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    Flagged to move to expatriates site because you say your intention is to move there, while you have been traveling there regularly already. That said, if I were you I would delete this question as it’s a non-issue, until someone actively wants to get at you and finds your stackexchange profile.

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A few years back I traveled to the States with a valid ESTA to attend one of those coding workshops in the Bay area.



I disclosed this with the immigration officer at border control and I was let it without any problem.



The workshop lasted less than 90 days but according to ESTA regulations, I could have only attended it if the teaching lessons were less than 18/hours a week. Technically this was a full-time workshop, but we only got 1-2 hours a day of actual lessons and the rest of the time was spend with the other students to work on projects together.



The problem is that now, many years later, I found out that the same workshop is issuing M1 visas for its foreign students. Apparently, they are now requiring M1 or F1 visas to attend the workshop and at the time they didn't discourage me to attend the workshop with my ESTA.



Ever since then I traveled to the States many other times and I got issues other ESTAs without problems. So now, what are my risks? I'm actually now married to a US citizen and we plan on moving back to the States in a few years. What would be the potential implications on my situation to my green card application?










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A few years back I traveled to the States with a valid ESTA to attend one of those coding workshops in the Bay area.



I disclosed this with the immigration officer at border control and I was let it without any problem.



The workshop lasted less than 90 days but according to ESTA regulations, I could have only attended it if the teaching lessons were less than 18/hours a week. Technically this was a full-time workshop, but we only got 1-2 hours a day of actual lessons and the rest of the time was spend with the other students to work on projects together.



The problem is that now, many years later, I found out that the same workshop is issuing M1 visas for its foreign students. Apparently, they are now requiring M1 or F1 visas to attend the workshop and at the time they didn't discourage me to attend the workshop with my ESTA.



Ever since then I traveled to the States many other times and I got issues other ESTAs without problems. So now, what are my risks? I'm actually now married to a US citizen and we plan on moving back to the States in a few years. What would be the potential implications on my situation to my green card application?







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  • 14





    This is a non issue. Don’t do it again but there is absolutely no need to bring it up to anyone now. Enjoy your new workshop on the new visa.

    – Hanky Panky
    16 hours ago






  • 3





    I agree, not a real issue. It seems the organizer was also confused. Now it is clear that you need a different visa. But I would also had difficulty to assess homework/teamwork hours. Note: possibly there were some changes in the rules (in the document on how to interpret rules). I would not worry about it

    – Giacomo Catenazzi
    15 hours ago






  • 3





    I wouldn't worry about it. Unless you're under criminal investigation, CBP is not going to review years old workshop schedules. If you have been in and out many times, you've proven you not an overstay risk.

    – Johns-305
    14 hours ago











  • @HankyPanky I highly doubt that he would be approved for a non-immigrant visa while married to a US Citizen with plans to move to the US. Probably gonna have to wait for green card for any travel to the US.

    – xyious
    10 hours ago






  • 1





    Flagged to move to expatriates site because you say your intention is to move there, while you have been traveling there regularly already. That said, if I were you I would delete this question as it’s a non-issue, until someone actively wants to get at you and finds your stackexchange profile.

    – Sebastiaan van den Broek
    10 hours ago














  • 14





    This is a non issue. Don’t do it again but there is absolutely no need to bring it up to anyone now. Enjoy your new workshop on the new visa.

    – Hanky Panky
    16 hours ago






  • 3





    I agree, not a real issue. It seems the organizer was also confused. Now it is clear that you need a different visa. But I would also had difficulty to assess homework/teamwork hours. Note: possibly there were some changes in the rules (in the document on how to interpret rules). I would not worry about it

    – Giacomo Catenazzi
    15 hours ago






  • 3





    I wouldn't worry about it. Unless you're under criminal investigation, CBP is not going to review years old workshop schedules. If you have been in and out many times, you've proven you not an overstay risk.

    – Johns-305
    14 hours ago











  • @HankyPanky I highly doubt that he would be approved for a non-immigrant visa while married to a US Citizen with plans to move to the US. Probably gonna have to wait for green card for any travel to the US.

    – xyious
    10 hours ago






  • 1





    Flagged to move to expatriates site because you say your intention is to move there, while you have been traveling there regularly already. That said, if I were you I would delete this question as it’s a non-issue, until someone actively wants to get at you and finds your stackexchange profile.

    – Sebastiaan van den Broek
    10 hours ago








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This is a non issue. Don’t do it again but there is absolutely no need to bring it up to anyone now. Enjoy your new workshop on the new visa.

– Hanky Panky
16 hours ago





This is a non issue. Don’t do it again but there is absolutely no need to bring it up to anyone now. Enjoy your new workshop on the new visa.

– Hanky Panky
16 hours ago




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I agree, not a real issue. It seems the organizer was also confused. Now it is clear that you need a different visa. But I would also had difficulty to assess homework/teamwork hours. Note: possibly there were some changes in the rules (in the document on how to interpret rules). I would not worry about it

– Giacomo Catenazzi
15 hours ago





I agree, not a real issue. It seems the organizer was also confused. Now it is clear that you need a different visa. But I would also had difficulty to assess homework/teamwork hours. Note: possibly there were some changes in the rules (in the document on how to interpret rules). I would not worry about it

– Giacomo Catenazzi
15 hours ago




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I wouldn't worry about it. Unless you're under criminal investigation, CBP is not going to review years old workshop schedules. If you have been in and out many times, you've proven you not an overstay risk.

– Johns-305
14 hours ago





I wouldn't worry about it. Unless you're under criminal investigation, CBP is not going to review years old workshop schedules. If you have been in and out many times, you've proven you not an overstay risk.

– Johns-305
14 hours ago













@HankyPanky I highly doubt that he would be approved for a non-immigrant visa while married to a US Citizen with plans to move to the US. Probably gonna have to wait for green card for any travel to the US.

– xyious
10 hours ago





@HankyPanky I highly doubt that he would be approved for a non-immigrant visa while married to a US Citizen with plans to move to the US. Probably gonna have to wait for green card for any travel to the US.

– xyious
10 hours ago




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Flagged to move to expatriates site because you say your intention is to move there, while you have been traveling there regularly already. That said, if I were you I would delete this question as it’s a non-issue, until someone actively wants to get at you and finds your stackexchange profile.

– Sebastiaan van den Broek
10 hours ago





Flagged to move to expatriates site because you say your intention is to move there, while you have been traveling there regularly already. That said, if I were you I would delete this question as it’s a non-issue, until someone actively wants to get at you and finds your stackexchange profile.

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So now, what are my risks?




None. Are you going to walk up to an immigration officer and say some years ago I broke immigration rules that US Immigration does not know about? They will think you are probably going insane. Your violation was not willful and clearly you are remorseful.




What would be the potential implications on my situation to my green
card application?




None. Unless once again you go and rat out yourself. Why would you do that?






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    And that violation was not of the type for which they actively recheck their records on subsequent applications, for example an overstay.

    – Hanky Panky
    12 hours ago





















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It sounds like you have only attended the workshop once, so you can tell the CBP officer (if asked) in full honesty that you have no way to compare the current workshop contents with the previous contents. The workshop may have the same title, sure, but coding is still an evolving field. There's more to teach today then there was 5 years ago. So you can't be entirely surprised if the workshop now takes a bit longer.



As Johns-305 points out, you are probably already seen as a low-risk traveller due to your past travel history. As long as there are no new issues they discover in the first few questions, they'll be focussing their attention on higher-risk travellers. And that means they won't spend an extraordinary amount of time on you.



Remember, you're probably seen as a low risk. That's because of two things; not only will they expect there's only a small chance that you suddenly break the rules, but besides probability the other contributor to risk is impact. If you were to break the rules this time, the assumption will be that it would be a minor infraction, not something bad like an indefinite overstay. To summarize bluntly: you're not a political problem.






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    This may seem like it is legal advice, and I am not a lawyer, but I wouldn’t go volunteering that I had violated the law, without some assurance that I had in fact violated the laws. Such as a judge telling me in open court that I had done so.



    To the best of your knowledge at the time it was legal, don’t go second guessing yourself. I don’t see any advantage to you to blurting this out, and if accused of it, would respond that I believe I had complied with the law.






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      So now, what are my risks?




      None. Are you going to walk up to an immigration officer and say some years ago I broke immigration rules that US Immigration does not know about? They will think you are probably going insane. Your violation was not willful and clearly you are remorseful.




      What would be the potential implications on my situation to my green
      card application?




      None. Unless once again you go and rat out yourself. Why would you do that?






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        And that violation was not of the type for which they actively recheck their records on subsequent applications, for example an overstay.

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      So now, what are my risks?




      None. Are you going to walk up to an immigration officer and say some years ago I broke immigration rules that US Immigration does not know about? They will think you are probably going insane. Your violation was not willful and clearly you are remorseful.




      What would be the potential implications on my situation to my green
      card application?




      None. Unless once again you go and rat out yourself. Why would you do that?






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      So now, what are my risks?




      None. Are you going to walk up to an immigration officer and say some years ago I broke immigration rules that US Immigration does not know about? They will think you are probably going insane. Your violation was not willful and clearly you are remorseful.




      What would be the potential implications on my situation to my green
      card application?




      None. Unless once again you go and rat out yourself. Why would you do that?






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      So now, what are my risks?




      None. Are you going to walk up to an immigration officer and say some years ago I broke immigration rules that US Immigration does not know about? They will think you are probably going insane. Your violation was not willful and clearly you are remorseful.




      What would be the potential implications on my situation to my green
      card application?




      None. Unless once again you go and rat out yourself. Why would you do that?







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        And that violation was not of the type for which they actively recheck their records on subsequent applications, for example an overstay.

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        And that violation was not of the type for which they actively recheck their records on subsequent applications, for example an overstay.

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      And that violation was not of the type for which they actively recheck their records on subsequent applications, for example an overstay.

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      It sounds like you have only attended the workshop once, so you can tell the CBP officer (if asked) in full honesty that you have no way to compare the current workshop contents with the previous contents. The workshop may have the same title, sure, but coding is still an evolving field. There's more to teach today then there was 5 years ago. So you can't be entirely surprised if the workshop now takes a bit longer.



      As Johns-305 points out, you are probably already seen as a low-risk traveller due to your past travel history. As long as there are no new issues they discover in the first few questions, they'll be focussing their attention on higher-risk travellers. And that means they won't spend an extraordinary amount of time on you.



      Remember, you're probably seen as a low risk. That's because of two things; not only will they expect there's only a small chance that you suddenly break the rules, but besides probability the other contributor to risk is impact. If you were to break the rules this time, the assumption will be that it would be a minor infraction, not something bad like an indefinite overstay. To summarize bluntly: you're not a political problem.






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        It sounds like you have only attended the workshop once, so you can tell the CBP officer (if asked) in full honesty that you have no way to compare the current workshop contents with the previous contents. The workshop may have the same title, sure, but coding is still an evolving field. There's more to teach today then there was 5 years ago. So you can't be entirely surprised if the workshop now takes a bit longer.



        As Johns-305 points out, you are probably already seen as a low-risk traveller due to your past travel history. As long as there are no new issues they discover in the first few questions, they'll be focussing their attention on higher-risk travellers. And that means they won't spend an extraordinary amount of time on you.



        Remember, you're probably seen as a low risk. That's because of two things; not only will they expect there's only a small chance that you suddenly break the rules, but besides probability the other contributor to risk is impact. If you were to break the rules this time, the assumption will be that it would be a minor infraction, not something bad like an indefinite overstay. To summarize bluntly: you're not a political problem.






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          It sounds like you have only attended the workshop once, so you can tell the CBP officer (if asked) in full honesty that you have no way to compare the current workshop contents with the previous contents. The workshop may have the same title, sure, but coding is still an evolving field. There's more to teach today then there was 5 years ago. So you can't be entirely surprised if the workshop now takes a bit longer.



          As Johns-305 points out, you are probably already seen as a low-risk traveller due to your past travel history. As long as there are no new issues they discover in the first few questions, they'll be focussing their attention on higher-risk travellers. And that means they won't spend an extraordinary amount of time on you.



          Remember, you're probably seen as a low risk. That's because of two things; not only will they expect there's only a small chance that you suddenly break the rules, but besides probability the other contributor to risk is impact. If you were to break the rules this time, the assumption will be that it would be a minor infraction, not something bad like an indefinite overstay. To summarize bluntly: you're not a political problem.






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          It sounds like you have only attended the workshop once, so you can tell the CBP officer (if asked) in full honesty that you have no way to compare the current workshop contents with the previous contents. The workshop may have the same title, sure, but coding is still an evolving field. There's more to teach today then there was 5 years ago. So you can't be entirely surprised if the workshop now takes a bit longer.



          As Johns-305 points out, you are probably already seen as a low-risk traveller due to your past travel history. As long as there are no new issues they discover in the first few questions, they'll be focussing their attention on higher-risk travellers. And that means they won't spend an extraordinary amount of time on you.



          Remember, you're probably seen as a low risk. That's because of two things; not only will they expect there's only a small chance that you suddenly break the rules, but besides probability the other contributor to risk is impact. If you were to break the rules this time, the assumption will be that it would be a minor infraction, not something bad like an indefinite overstay. To summarize bluntly: you're not a political problem.







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              This may seem like it is legal advice, and I am not a lawyer, but I wouldn’t go volunteering that I had violated the law, without some assurance that I had in fact violated the laws. Such as a judge telling me in open court that I had done so.



              To the best of your knowledge at the time it was legal, don’t go second guessing yourself. I don’t see any advantage to you to blurting this out, and if accused of it, would respond that I believe I had complied with the law.






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                This may seem like it is legal advice, and I am not a lawyer, but I wouldn’t go volunteering that I had violated the law, without some assurance that I had in fact violated the laws. Such as a judge telling me in open court that I had done so.



                To the best of your knowledge at the time it was legal, don’t go second guessing yourself. I don’t see any advantage to you to blurting this out, and if accused of it, would respond that I believe I had complied with the law.






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                  This may seem like it is legal advice, and I am not a lawyer, but I wouldn’t go volunteering that I had violated the law, without some assurance that I had in fact violated the laws. Such as a judge telling me in open court that I had done so.



                  To the best of your knowledge at the time it was legal, don’t go second guessing yourself. I don’t see any advantage to you to blurting this out, and if accused of it, would respond that I believe I had complied with the law.






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                  This may seem like it is legal advice, and I am not a lawyer, but I wouldn’t go volunteering that I had violated the law, without some assurance that I had in fact violated the laws. Such as a judge telling me in open court that I had done so.



                  To the best of your knowledge at the time it was legal, don’t go second guessing yourself. I don’t see any advantage to you to blurting this out, and if accused of it, would respond that I believe I had complied with the law.







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