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We've been friends at/from the outset.




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  • It depends on what you're trying to say. Are you still friends?
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  • @michael.hor257k Yes.
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    Then use from. Otherwise you're implying you've been friends at the beginning, but stopped being friends at some later time.
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  • @michael.hor257k since the action shows no present relevance, shouldn't I change the tense? Say, We were friends at the outset?
    – Alejandro
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    "We've been friends from the outset" is fine in both grammar and logic. "We've been friends at the outset" is nonsense in grammar and problematic in logic. It could be that that you wanted to say "We were friends at the outset" and is that so? Is that what you meant?
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Consider the sentence:




We've been friends at/from the outset.




Which preposition is used?






prepositions present-perfect







share|improve this question






















  • It depends on what you're trying to say. Are you still friends?
    – michael.hor257k
    2 days ago










  • @michael.hor257k Yes.
    – Alejandro
    2 days ago






  • 2




    Then use from. Otherwise you're implying you've been friends at the beginning, but stopped being friends at some later time.
    – michael.hor257k
    2 days ago












  • @michael.hor257k since the action shows no present relevance, shouldn't I change the tense? Say, We were friends at the outset?
    – Alejandro
    2 days ago








  • 1




    "We've been friends from the outset" is fine in both grammar and logic. "We've been friends at the outset" is nonsense in grammar and problematic in logic. It could be that that you wanted to say "We were friends at the outset" and is that so? Is that what you meant?
    – Robbie Goodwin
    2 days ago















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Consider the sentence:




We've been friends at/from the outset.




Which preposition is used?






prepositions present-perfect







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Consider the sentence:




We've been friends at/from the outset.




Which preposition is used?






prepositions present-perfect




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  • It depends on what you're trying to say. Are you still friends?
    – michael.hor257k
    2 days ago










  • @michael.hor257k Yes.
    – Alejandro
    2 days ago






  • 2




    Then use from. Otherwise you're implying you've been friends at the beginning, but stopped being friends at some later time.
    – michael.hor257k
    2 days ago












  • @michael.hor257k since the action shows no present relevance, shouldn't I change the tense? Say, We were friends at the outset?
    – Alejandro
    2 days ago








  • 1




    "We've been friends from the outset" is fine in both grammar and logic. "We've been friends at the outset" is nonsense in grammar and problematic in logic. It could be that that you wanted to say "We were friends at the outset" and is that so? Is that what you meant?
    – Robbie Goodwin
    2 days ago




















  • It depends on what you're trying to say. Are you still friends?
    – michael.hor257k
    2 days ago










  • @michael.hor257k Yes.
    – Alejandro
    2 days ago






  • 2




    Then use from. Otherwise you're implying you've been friends at the beginning, but stopped being friends at some later time.
    – michael.hor257k
    2 days ago












  • @michael.hor257k since the action shows no present relevance, shouldn't I change the tense? Say, We were friends at the outset?
    – Alejandro
    2 days ago








  • 1




    "We've been friends from the outset" is fine in both grammar and logic. "We've been friends at the outset" is nonsense in grammar and problematic in logic. It could be that that you wanted to say "We were friends at the outset" and is that so? Is that what you meant?
    – Robbie Goodwin
    2 days ago


















It depends on what you're trying to say. Are you still friends?
– michael.hor257k
2 days ago




It depends on what you're trying to say. Are you still friends?
– michael.hor257k
2 days ago












@michael.hor257k Yes.
– Alejandro
2 days ago




@michael.hor257k Yes.
– Alejandro
2 days ago




2




2




Then use from. Otherwise you're implying you've been friends at the beginning, but stopped being friends at some later time.
– michael.hor257k
2 days ago






Then use from. Otherwise you're implying you've been friends at the beginning, but stopped being friends at some later time.
– michael.hor257k
2 days ago














@michael.hor257k since the action shows no present relevance, shouldn't I change the tense? Say, We were friends at the outset?
– Alejandro
2 days ago






@michael.hor257k since the action shows no present relevance, shouldn't I change the tense? Say, We were friends at the outset?
– Alejandro
2 days ago






1




1




"We've been friends from the outset" is fine in both grammar and logic. "We've been friends at the outset" is nonsense in grammar and problematic in logic. It could be that that you wanted to say "We were friends at the outset" and is that so? Is that what you meant?
– Robbie Goodwin
2 days ago






"We've been friends from the outset" is fine in both grammar and logic. "We've been friends at the outset" is nonsense in grammar and problematic in logic. It could be that that you wanted to say "We were friends at the outset" and is that so? Is that what you meant?
– Robbie Goodwin
2 days ago












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We've been friends at/from the outset.



Interesting: TFD 2 idioms (Farlex Partner Idioms Dictionary)



at the outset, also, from the outset.




at/from the beginning of something; at/from the start




The reference states that the noun outset is rarely heard
today except in these [2] phrases.



As in:




He wanted to explain his position from the outset.




and




At the outset the problem seemed simple, but then it became quite
complicated.




It appears you can use either.






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    Use since. We use the present perfect progressive tense (e.g. 'have been') to describe an action that began in the past, continues in the present, and may continue into the future. We use 'since' to discuss the duration of something that has continued from a definite past time and until now. I have been a socialist since I was a teenager. He has been sick since last Tuesday.



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    We've been friends at/from the outset.



    Interesting: TFD 2 idioms (Farlex Partner Idioms Dictionary)



    at the outset, also, from the outset.




    at/from the beginning of something; at/from the start




    The reference states that the noun outset is rarely heard
    today except in these [2] phrases.



    As in:




    He wanted to explain his position from the outset.




    and




    At the outset the problem seemed simple, but then it became quite
    complicated.




    It appears you can use either.






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      We've been friends at/from the outset.



      Interesting: TFD 2 idioms (Farlex Partner Idioms Dictionary)



      at the outset, also, from the outset.




      at/from the beginning of something; at/from the start




      The reference states that the noun outset is rarely heard
      today except in these [2] phrases.



      As in:




      He wanted to explain his position from the outset.




      and




      At the outset the problem seemed simple, but then it became quite
      complicated.




      It appears you can use either.






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        up vote
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        We've been friends at/from the outset.



        Interesting: TFD 2 idioms (Farlex Partner Idioms Dictionary)



        at the outset, also, from the outset.




        at/from the beginning of something; at/from the start




        The reference states that the noun outset is rarely heard
        today except in these [2] phrases.



        As in:




        He wanted to explain his position from the outset.




        and




        At the outset the problem seemed simple, but then it became quite
        complicated.




        It appears you can use either.






        share|improve this answer












        We've been friends at/from the outset.



        Interesting: TFD 2 idioms (Farlex Partner Idioms Dictionary)



        at the outset, also, from the outset.




        at/from the beginning of something; at/from the start




        The reference states that the noun outset is rarely heard
        today except in these [2] phrases.



        As in:




        He wanted to explain his position from the outset.




        and




        At the outset the problem seemed simple, but then it became quite
        complicated.




        It appears you can use either.







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            Use since. We use the present perfect progressive tense (e.g. 'have been') to describe an action that began in the past, continues in the present, and may continue into the future. We use 'since' to discuss the duration of something that has continued from a definite past time and until now. I have been a socialist since I was a teenager. He has been sick since last Tuesday.



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            Since






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            Use since. We use the present perfect progressive tense (e.g. 'have been') to describe an action that began in the past, continues in the present, and may continue into the future. We use 'since' to discuss the duration of something that has continued from a definite past time and until now. I have been a socialist since I was a teenager. He has been sick since last Tuesday.



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            Since






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            Use since. We use the present perfect progressive tense (e.g. 'have been') to describe an action that began in the past, continues in the present, and may continue into the future. We use 'since' to discuss the duration of something that has continued from a definite past time and until now. I have been a socialist since I was a teenager. He has been sick since last Tuesday.



            Verb tenses



            Since






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            Use since. We use the present perfect progressive tense (e.g. 'have been') to describe an action that began in the past, continues in the present, and may continue into the future. We use 'since' to discuss the duration of something that has continued from a definite past time and until now. I have been a socialist since I was a teenager. He has been sick since last Tuesday.



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            Since







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