Influence of the neighbouring molecules in a crystal at the example of XeF4
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For reasons of symmetry I (without deeper chemical knowledge) supposed, that $ce{XeF4}$ has a shape like $ce{CH4}$. But according to Wikipedia its
crystalline structure was determined by both NMR spectroscopy and X-ray crystallography in 1963. The structure is square planar, as has been confirmed by neutron diffraction studies.
In a crystal the neighbor atoms have some influence on another and sometimes the chemical formula shows the numerical ratio between the elements but not draw the full picture of all interactions between the neighbor elements. Does the influence of the neighboring molecules in a $ce{XeF4}$ crystal makes the square planar shap? Is it imaginable that an isolated $ce{XeF4}$ molecule has a tetrahedral shape?
Additional question. What is the crystalline structure of $ce{XeF4}$?
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For reasons of symmetry I (without deeper chemical knowledge) supposed, that $ce{XeF4}$ has a shape like $ce{CH4}$. But according to Wikipedia its
crystalline structure was determined by both NMR spectroscopy and X-ray crystallography in 1963. The structure is square planar, as has been confirmed by neutron diffraction studies.
In a crystal the neighbor atoms have some influence on another and sometimes the chemical formula shows the numerical ratio between the elements but not draw the full picture of all interactions between the neighbor elements. Does the influence of the neighboring molecules in a $ce{XeF4}$ crystal makes the square planar shap? Is it imaginable that an isolated $ce{XeF4}$ molecule has a tetrahedral shape?
Additional question. What is the crystalline structure of $ce{XeF4}$?
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It seems to me that you imagine that some "square planar XeF4" will stick together in the same plane, but it is obviously not the case because fluorine atoms repel each others. In fact, if you take two "square-planar XeF4" on top of each other, one will be shifted so one of its fluorine atom is right above its neighbor Xe atom. And because of this arrangement, each Xe atom forms an octahedron with 6 surrounding fluorine atoms.
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@SteffX Why not await two fluorine neigbors above and two below?
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@SteffX Wow, andselisks answer indeed shows 2 F above and 2 F below :-)
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For reasons of symmetry I (without deeper chemical knowledge) supposed, that $ce{XeF4}$ has a shape like $ce{CH4}$. But according to Wikipedia its
crystalline structure was determined by both NMR spectroscopy and X-ray crystallography in 1963. The structure is square planar, as has been confirmed by neutron diffraction studies.
In a crystal the neighbor atoms have some influence on another and sometimes the chemical formula shows the numerical ratio between the elements but not draw the full picture of all interactions between the neighbor elements. Does the influence of the neighboring molecules in a $ce{XeF4}$ crystal makes the square planar shap? Is it imaginable that an isolated $ce{XeF4}$ molecule has a tetrahedral shape?
Additional question. What is the crystalline structure of $ce{XeF4}$?
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For reasons of symmetry I (without deeper chemical knowledge) supposed, that $ce{XeF4}$ has a shape like $ce{CH4}$. But according to Wikipedia its
crystalline structure was determined by both NMR spectroscopy and X-ray crystallography in 1963. The structure is square planar, as has been confirmed by neutron diffraction studies.
In a crystal the neighbor atoms have some influence on another and sometimes the chemical formula shows the numerical ratio between the elements but not draw the full picture of all interactions between the neighbor elements. Does the influence of the neighboring molecules in a $ce{XeF4}$ crystal makes the square planar shap? Is it imaginable that an isolated $ce{XeF4}$ molecule has a tetrahedral shape?
Additional question. What is the crystalline structure of $ce{XeF4}$?
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It seems to me that you imagine that some "square planar XeF4" will stick together in the same plane, but it is obviously not the case because fluorine atoms repel each others. In fact, if you take two "square-planar XeF4" on top of each other, one will be shifted so one of its fluorine atom is right above its neighbor Xe atom. And because of this arrangement, each Xe atom forms an octahedron with 6 surrounding fluorine atoms.
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@SteffX Why not await two fluorine neigbors above and two below?
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@SteffX Wow, andselisks answer indeed shows 2 F above and 2 F below :-)
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It seems to me that you imagine that some "square planar XeF4" will stick together in the same plane, but it is obviously not the case because fluorine atoms repel each others. In fact, if you take two "square-planar XeF4" on top of each other, one will be shifted so one of its fluorine atom is right above its neighbor Xe atom. And because of this arrangement, each Xe atom forms an octahedron with 6 surrounding fluorine atoms.
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@SteffX Why not await two fluorine neigbors above and two below?
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– HolgerFiedler
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@SteffX Wow, andselisks answer indeed shows 2 F above and 2 F below :-)
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– HolgerFiedler
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It seems to me that you imagine that some "square planar XeF4" will stick together in the same plane, but it is obviously not the case because fluorine atoms repel each others. In fact, if you take two "square-planar XeF4" on top of each other, one will be shifted so one of its fluorine atom is right above its neighbor Xe atom. And because of this arrangement, each Xe atom forms an octahedron with 6 surrounding fluorine atoms.
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– SteffX
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It seems to me that you imagine that some "square planar XeF4" will stick together in the same plane, but it is obviously not the case because fluorine atoms repel each others. In fact, if you take two "square-planar XeF4" on top of each other, one will be shifted so one of its fluorine atom is right above its neighbor Xe atom. And because of this arrangement, each Xe atom forms an octahedron with 6 surrounding fluorine atoms.
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@SteffX Why not await two fluorine neigbors above and two below?
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– HolgerFiedler
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@SteffX Why not await two fluorine neigbors above and two below?
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– HolgerFiedler
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@SteffX Wow, andselisks answer indeed shows 2 F above and 2 F below :-)
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@SteffX Wow, andselisks answer indeed shows 2 F above and 2 F below :-)
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There are two single crystal-structure investigations done at room temperature, both published in 1963. Both suggest that $ce{XeF4}$ crystallizes in monoclinic system ($P 1 2_1/n 1$) and preserves square-planar geometry in solid phase; however, the angle $ce{F-Xe-F}$ slightly deviates from $90°$.
Figure 1. Packing of $ce{XeF4}$ molecules. Color code: $color{#90E050}{Largebullet}~ce{F}$;$color{#429EB0}{Largebullet}~ce{Xe}$.
Ibers and Hamilton [1] published a structure with an $R$-factor of $11%$ (ICSD #27467)
The molecule has symmetry $D_mathrm{4h}$ within the limits of error of this study, although such symmetry is not required by the space group. The angle $ce{F1-Xe-F2}$ is $pu{86 ± 30°}$ and the two independent distances $ce{Xe}$ to $ce{F}$ do not differ significantly and have an average value of $pu{1.92 ± 0.03 Å}$ (Fig. 1). The shortest intermolecular $ce{F...F}$ contact is $pu{2.95 Å}$. This and all other intermolecular distances are reasonable; the molecule fills space well, providing further confirmation of the formula $ce{XeF4}$. Since all of the intermolecular $ce{F...F}$ contacts in this structure exceed slightly the expected van der Waals contact of $pu{2.7 Å}$ it is not surprising that a second phase of $ce{XeF4}$, with a density some $10$ percent higher than that of the present structure, exists (2). The structure of this denser phase is at present unknown.
Fig. 1. The structure of the $ce{XeF4}$ molecule in the solid.
Templeton et al. [2] did a subsequent XRD experiment and presented improved crystallographic data (ICSD #26626) with $R$-factor of $8.6%$ and stated that
The structure consists of a molecular packing of square planar molecules of $ce{XeF4}$.
With a comment on [1]:
Ibers and Hamilton have deduced two structures by refinement of data with $h + k + l$ even. These data do not permit determination of the relative signs of the two $y$ coordinates. One of these two structures is in approximate agreement with our result.
References
- Ibers, J. A.; Hamilton, W. C. Xenon Tetrafluoride: Crystal Structure. Science 1963, 139 (3550), 106–107. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.139.3550.106.
- Templeton, D. H.; Zalkin, A.; Forrester, J. D.; Williamson, S. M. Crystal and Molecular Structure of Xenon Tetrafluoride. Journal of the American Chemical Society 1963, 85 (2), 242–242. https://doi.org/10.1021/ja00885a038.
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This may be obvious, but since no one has stated it explicitly - a key difference between XeF4 and CH4 is that XeF4 has two additional lone pairs of electrons in its outer valence shell. These are positioned above and below the plane of the square planar shape. They are the reason that tetrahedral is unfavorable.
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@Andrew I thought about this during the formulation of my question and for CH4 the same imagination is practicable. C gets the 4 electrons from H, alle H are in a plane and the 4 electrons from C form two pairs. But perhaps the hydrogen atoms are too big and have no enough space in the plane.
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I think you've got a mistaken concept there. Each C-H bond needs two electrons, so the 4 from C and 4 total from H's (1 from each) only provide enough electrons (8) for the four bonds. There are no remaining lone pairs in the valence shell. (There are two additional electrons in the carbon 1s orbital, but it is inner shell.)
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For the sake of completeness - Xe has 8 valence electrons, so adding one from each F, there are 12 total, accounting for 4 bonds (8 electrons total) and 2 extra pairs (4 more electrons).
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There are two single crystal-structure investigations done at room temperature, both published in 1963. Both suggest that $ce{XeF4}$ crystallizes in monoclinic system ($P 1 2_1/n 1$) and preserves square-planar geometry in solid phase; however, the angle $ce{F-Xe-F}$ slightly deviates from $90°$.
Figure 1. Packing of $ce{XeF4}$ molecules. Color code: $color{#90E050}{Largebullet}~ce{F}$;$color{#429EB0}{Largebullet}~ce{Xe}$.
Ibers and Hamilton [1] published a structure with an $R$-factor of $11%$ (ICSD #27467)
The molecule has symmetry $D_mathrm{4h}$ within the limits of error of this study, although such symmetry is not required by the space group. The angle $ce{F1-Xe-F2}$ is $pu{86 ± 30°}$ and the two independent distances $ce{Xe}$ to $ce{F}$ do not differ significantly and have an average value of $pu{1.92 ± 0.03 Å}$ (Fig. 1). The shortest intermolecular $ce{F...F}$ contact is $pu{2.95 Å}$. This and all other intermolecular distances are reasonable; the molecule fills space well, providing further confirmation of the formula $ce{XeF4}$. Since all of the intermolecular $ce{F...F}$ contacts in this structure exceed slightly the expected van der Waals contact of $pu{2.7 Å}$ it is not surprising that a second phase of $ce{XeF4}$, with a density some $10$ percent higher than that of the present structure, exists (2). The structure of this denser phase is at present unknown.
Fig. 1. The structure of the $ce{XeF4}$ molecule in the solid.
Templeton et al. [2] did a subsequent XRD experiment and presented improved crystallographic data (ICSD #26626) with $R$-factor of $8.6%$ and stated that
The structure consists of a molecular packing of square planar molecules of $ce{XeF4}$.
With a comment on [1]:
Ibers and Hamilton have deduced two structures by refinement of data with $h + k + l$ even. These data do not permit determination of the relative signs of the two $y$ coordinates. One of these two structures is in approximate agreement with our result.
References
- Ibers, J. A.; Hamilton, W. C. Xenon Tetrafluoride: Crystal Structure. Science 1963, 139 (3550), 106–107. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.139.3550.106.
- Templeton, D. H.; Zalkin, A.; Forrester, J. D.; Williamson, S. M. Crystal and Molecular Structure of Xenon Tetrafluoride. Journal of the American Chemical Society 1963, 85 (2), 242–242. https://doi.org/10.1021/ja00885a038.
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This may be obvious, but since no one has stated it explicitly - a key difference between XeF4 and CH4 is that XeF4 has two additional lone pairs of electrons in its outer valence shell. These are positioned above and below the plane of the square planar shape. They are the reason that tetrahedral is unfavorable.
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@Andrew I thought about this during the formulation of my question and for CH4 the same imagination is practicable. C gets the 4 electrons from H, alle H are in a plane and the 4 electrons from C form two pairs. But perhaps the hydrogen atoms are too big and have no enough space in the plane.
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I think you've got a mistaken concept there. Each C-H bond needs two electrons, so the 4 from C and 4 total from H's (1 from each) only provide enough electrons (8) for the four bonds. There are no remaining lone pairs in the valence shell. (There are two additional electrons in the carbon 1s orbital, but it is inner shell.)
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For the sake of completeness - Xe has 8 valence electrons, so adding one from each F, there are 12 total, accounting for 4 bonds (8 electrons total) and 2 extra pairs (4 more electrons).
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There are two single crystal-structure investigations done at room temperature, both published in 1963. Both suggest that $ce{XeF4}$ crystallizes in monoclinic system ($P 1 2_1/n 1$) and preserves square-planar geometry in solid phase; however, the angle $ce{F-Xe-F}$ slightly deviates from $90°$.
Figure 1. Packing of $ce{XeF4}$ molecules. Color code: $color{#90E050}{Largebullet}~ce{F}$;$color{#429EB0}{Largebullet}~ce{Xe}$.
Ibers and Hamilton [1] published a structure with an $R$-factor of $11%$ (ICSD #27467)
The molecule has symmetry $D_mathrm{4h}$ within the limits of error of this study, although such symmetry is not required by the space group. The angle $ce{F1-Xe-F2}$ is $pu{86 ± 30°}$ and the two independent distances $ce{Xe}$ to $ce{F}$ do not differ significantly and have an average value of $pu{1.92 ± 0.03 Å}$ (Fig. 1). The shortest intermolecular $ce{F...F}$ contact is $pu{2.95 Å}$. This and all other intermolecular distances are reasonable; the molecule fills space well, providing further confirmation of the formula $ce{XeF4}$. Since all of the intermolecular $ce{F...F}$ contacts in this structure exceed slightly the expected van der Waals contact of $pu{2.7 Å}$ it is not surprising that a second phase of $ce{XeF4}$, with a density some $10$ percent higher than that of the present structure, exists (2). The structure of this denser phase is at present unknown.
Fig. 1. The structure of the $ce{XeF4}$ molecule in the solid.
Templeton et al. [2] did a subsequent XRD experiment and presented improved crystallographic data (ICSD #26626) with $R$-factor of $8.6%$ and stated that
The structure consists of a molecular packing of square planar molecules of $ce{XeF4}$.
With a comment on [1]:
Ibers and Hamilton have deduced two structures by refinement of data with $h + k + l$ even. These data do not permit determination of the relative signs of the two $y$ coordinates. One of these two structures is in approximate agreement with our result.
References
- Ibers, J. A.; Hamilton, W. C. Xenon Tetrafluoride: Crystal Structure. Science 1963, 139 (3550), 106–107. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.139.3550.106.
- Templeton, D. H.; Zalkin, A.; Forrester, J. D.; Williamson, S. M. Crystal and Molecular Structure of Xenon Tetrafluoride. Journal of the American Chemical Society 1963, 85 (2), 242–242. https://doi.org/10.1021/ja00885a038.
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This may be obvious, but since no one has stated it explicitly - a key difference between XeF4 and CH4 is that XeF4 has two additional lone pairs of electrons in its outer valence shell. These are positioned above and below the plane of the square planar shape. They are the reason that tetrahedral is unfavorable.
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– Andrew
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@Andrew I thought about this during the formulation of my question and for CH4 the same imagination is practicable. C gets the 4 electrons from H, alle H are in a plane and the 4 electrons from C form two pairs. But perhaps the hydrogen atoms are too big and have no enough space in the plane.
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I think you've got a mistaken concept there. Each C-H bond needs two electrons, so the 4 from C and 4 total from H's (1 from each) only provide enough electrons (8) for the four bonds. There are no remaining lone pairs in the valence shell. (There are two additional electrons in the carbon 1s orbital, but it is inner shell.)
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For the sake of completeness - Xe has 8 valence electrons, so adding one from each F, there are 12 total, accounting for 4 bonds (8 electrons total) and 2 extra pairs (4 more electrons).
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There are two single crystal-structure investigations done at room temperature, both published in 1963. Both suggest that $ce{XeF4}$ crystallizes in monoclinic system ($P 1 2_1/n 1$) and preserves square-planar geometry in solid phase; however, the angle $ce{F-Xe-F}$ slightly deviates from $90°$.
Figure 1. Packing of $ce{XeF4}$ molecules. Color code: $color{#90E050}{Largebullet}~ce{F}$;$color{#429EB0}{Largebullet}~ce{Xe}$.
Ibers and Hamilton [1] published a structure with an $R$-factor of $11%$ (ICSD #27467)
The molecule has symmetry $D_mathrm{4h}$ within the limits of error of this study, although such symmetry is not required by the space group. The angle $ce{F1-Xe-F2}$ is $pu{86 ± 30°}$ and the two independent distances $ce{Xe}$ to $ce{F}$ do not differ significantly and have an average value of $pu{1.92 ± 0.03 Å}$ (Fig. 1). The shortest intermolecular $ce{F...F}$ contact is $pu{2.95 Å}$. This and all other intermolecular distances are reasonable; the molecule fills space well, providing further confirmation of the formula $ce{XeF4}$. Since all of the intermolecular $ce{F...F}$ contacts in this structure exceed slightly the expected van der Waals contact of $pu{2.7 Å}$ it is not surprising that a second phase of $ce{XeF4}$, with a density some $10$ percent higher than that of the present structure, exists (2). The structure of this denser phase is at present unknown.
Fig. 1. The structure of the $ce{XeF4}$ molecule in the solid.
Templeton et al. [2] did a subsequent XRD experiment and presented improved crystallographic data (ICSD #26626) with $R$-factor of $8.6%$ and stated that
The structure consists of a molecular packing of square planar molecules of $ce{XeF4}$.
With a comment on [1]:
Ibers and Hamilton have deduced two structures by refinement of data with $h + k + l$ even. These data do not permit determination of the relative signs of the two $y$ coordinates. One of these two structures is in approximate agreement with our result.
References
- Ibers, J. A.; Hamilton, W. C. Xenon Tetrafluoride: Crystal Structure. Science 1963, 139 (3550), 106–107. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.139.3550.106.
- Templeton, D. H.; Zalkin, A.; Forrester, J. D.; Williamson, S. M. Crystal and Molecular Structure of Xenon Tetrafluoride. Journal of the American Chemical Society 1963, 85 (2), 242–242. https://doi.org/10.1021/ja00885a038.
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There are two single crystal-structure investigations done at room temperature, both published in 1963. Both suggest that $ce{XeF4}$ crystallizes in monoclinic system ($P 1 2_1/n 1$) and preserves square-planar geometry in solid phase; however, the angle $ce{F-Xe-F}$ slightly deviates from $90°$.
Figure 1. Packing of $ce{XeF4}$ molecules. Color code: $color{#90E050}{Largebullet}~ce{F}$;$color{#429EB0}{Largebullet}~ce{Xe}$.
Ibers and Hamilton [1] published a structure with an $R$-factor of $11%$ (ICSD #27467)
The molecule has symmetry $D_mathrm{4h}$ within the limits of error of this study, although such symmetry is not required by the space group. The angle $ce{F1-Xe-F2}$ is $pu{86 ± 30°}$ and the two independent distances $ce{Xe}$ to $ce{F}$ do not differ significantly and have an average value of $pu{1.92 ± 0.03 Å}$ (Fig. 1). The shortest intermolecular $ce{F...F}$ contact is $pu{2.95 Å}$. This and all other intermolecular distances are reasonable; the molecule fills space well, providing further confirmation of the formula $ce{XeF4}$. Since all of the intermolecular $ce{F...F}$ contacts in this structure exceed slightly the expected van der Waals contact of $pu{2.7 Å}$ it is not surprising that a second phase of $ce{XeF4}$, with a density some $10$ percent higher than that of the present structure, exists (2). The structure of this denser phase is at present unknown.
Fig. 1. The structure of the $ce{XeF4}$ molecule in the solid.
Templeton et al. [2] did a subsequent XRD experiment and presented improved crystallographic data (ICSD #26626) with $R$-factor of $8.6%$ and stated that
The structure consists of a molecular packing of square planar molecules of $ce{XeF4}$.
With a comment on [1]:
Ibers and Hamilton have deduced two structures by refinement of data with $h + k + l$ even. These data do not permit determination of the relative signs of the two $y$ coordinates. One of these two structures is in approximate agreement with our result.
References
- Ibers, J. A.; Hamilton, W. C. Xenon Tetrafluoride: Crystal Structure. Science 1963, 139 (3550), 106–107. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.139.3550.106.
- Templeton, D. H.; Zalkin, A.; Forrester, J. D.; Williamson, S. M. Crystal and Molecular Structure of Xenon Tetrafluoride. Journal of the American Chemical Society 1963, 85 (2), 242–242. https://doi.org/10.1021/ja00885a038.
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This may be obvious, but since no one has stated it explicitly - a key difference between XeF4 and CH4 is that XeF4 has two additional lone pairs of electrons in its outer valence shell. These are positioned above and below the plane of the square planar shape. They are the reason that tetrahedral is unfavorable.
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@Andrew I thought about this during the formulation of my question and for CH4 the same imagination is practicable. C gets the 4 electrons from H, alle H are in a plane and the 4 electrons from C form two pairs. But perhaps the hydrogen atoms are too big and have no enough space in the plane.
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– HolgerFiedler
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I think you've got a mistaken concept there. Each C-H bond needs two electrons, so the 4 from C and 4 total from H's (1 from each) only provide enough electrons (8) for the four bonds. There are no remaining lone pairs in the valence shell. (There are two additional electrons in the carbon 1s orbital, but it is inner shell.)
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For the sake of completeness - Xe has 8 valence electrons, so adding one from each F, there are 12 total, accounting for 4 bonds (8 electrons total) and 2 extra pairs (4 more electrons).
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– Andrew
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This may be obvious, but since no one has stated it explicitly - a key difference between XeF4 and CH4 is that XeF4 has two additional lone pairs of electrons in its outer valence shell. These are positioned above and below the plane of the square planar shape. They are the reason that tetrahedral is unfavorable.
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– Andrew
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@Andrew I thought about this during the formulation of my question and for CH4 the same imagination is practicable. C gets the 4 electrons from H, alle H are in a plane and the 4 electrons from C form two pairs. But perhaps the hydrogen atoms are too big and have no enough space in the plane.
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– HolgerFiedler
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I think you've got a mistaken concept there. Each C-H bond needs two electrons, so the 4 from C and 4 total from H's (1 from each) only provide enough electrons (8) for the four bonds. There are no remaining lone pairs in the valence shell. (There are two additional electrons in the carbon 1s orbital, but it is inner shell.)
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– Andrew
yesterday
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For the sake of completeness - Xe has 8 valence electrons, so adding one from each F, there are 12 total, accounting for 4 bonds (8 electrons total) and 2 extra pairs (4 more electrons).
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– Andrew
yesterday
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This may be obvious, but since no one has stated it explicitly - a key difference between XeF4 and CH4 is that XeF4 has two additional lone pairs of electrons in its outer valence shell. These are positioned above and below the plane of the square planar shape. They are the reason that tetrahedral is unfavorable.
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– Andrew
yesterday
$begingroup$
This may be obvious, but since no one has stated it explicitly - a key difference between XeF4 and CH4 is that XeF4 has two additional lone pairs of electrons in its outer valence shell. These are positioned above and below the plane of the square planar shape. They are the reason that tetrahedral is unfavorable.
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– Andrew
yesterday
$begingroup$
@Andrew I thought about this during the formulation of my question and for CH4 the same imagination is practicable. C gets the 4 electrons from H, alle H are in a plane and the 4 electrons from C form two pairs. But perhaps the hydrogen atoms are too big and have no enough space in the plane.
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– HolgerFiedler
yesterday
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@Andrew I thought about this during the formulation of my question and for CH4 the same imagination is practicable. C gets the 4 electrons from H, alle H are in a plane and the 4 electrons from C form two pairs. But perhaps the hydrogen atoms are too big and have no enough space in the plane.
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– HolgerFiedler
yesterday
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I think you've got a mistaken concept there. Each C-H bond needs two electrons, so the 4 from C and 4 total from H's (1 from each) only provide enough electrons (8) for the four bonds. There are no remaining lone pairs in the valence shell. (There are two additional electrons in the carbon 1s orbital, but it is inner shell.)
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– Andrew
yesterday
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I think you've got a mistaken concept there. Each C-H bond needs two electrons, so the 4 from C and 4 total from H's (1 from each) only provide enough electrons (8) for the four bonds. There are no remaining lone pairs in the valence shell. (There are two additional electrons in the carbon 1s orbital, but it is inner shell.)
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– Andrew
yesterday
1
1
$begingroup$
For the sake of completeness - Xe has 8 valence electrons, so adding one from each F, there are 12 total, accounting for 4 bonds (8 electrons total) and 2 extra pairs (4 more electrons).
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– Andrew
yesterday
$begingroup$
For the sake of completeness - Xe has 8 valence electrons, so adding one from each F, there are 12 total, accounting for 4 bonds (8 electrons total) and 2 extra pairs (4 more electrons).
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– Andrew
yesterday
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It seems to me that you imagine that some "square planar XeF4" will stick together in the same plane, but it is obviously not the case because fluorine atoms repel each others. In fact, if you take two "square-planar XeF4" on top of each other, one will be shifted so one of its fluorine atom is right above its neighbor Xe atom. And because of this arrangement, each Xe atom forms an octahedron with 6 surrounding fluorine atoms.
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@SteffX Why not await two fluorine neigbors above and two below?
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@SteffX Wow, andselisks answer indeed shows 2 F above and 2 F below :-)
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