How is rearranging 56 x 100 ÷ 8 into 56 ÷8 x100 allowed by the commutative property?












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So according to the commutative property for multiplication:



$a * b = b * a$



However this does not hold for division



$a ÷ b$ $!= b ÷a$



Why is it that in the following case:



$56 * 100 ÷ 8 = 56 ÷ 8* 100$



It seems like division is breaking the rule. There is something I am misunderstanding here.



Is it because $a*b÷c=a÷c*b$ is allowed since $b÷c$ are not being rearranged so that $c÷b$?



If this is the case are you allowed to rearrange values in equations so long as no values have the form $a ÷ b$ $= b ÷a$ and $a - b$ $= b -a$ ?






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    So according to the commutative property for multiplication:



    $a * b = b * a$



    However this does not hold for division



    $a ÷ b$ $!= b ÷a$



    Why is it that in the following case:



    $56 * 100 ÷ 8 = 56 ÷ 8* 100$



    It seems like division is breaking the rule. There is something I am misunderstanding here.



    Is it because $a*b÷c=a÷c*b$ is allowed since $b÷c$ are not being rearranged so that $c÷b$?



    If this is the case are you allowed to rearrange values in equations so long as no values have the form $a ÷ b$ $= b ÷a$ and $a - b$ $= b -a$ ?






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      So according to the commutative property for multiplication:



      $a * b = b * a$



      However this does not hold for division



      $a ÷ b$ $!= b ÷a$



      Why is it that in the following case:



      $56 * 100 ÷ 8 = 56 ÷ 8* 100$



      It seems like division is breaking the rule. There is something I am misunderstanding here.



      Is it because $a*b÷c=a÷c*b$ is allowed since $b÷c$ are not being rearranged so that $c÷b$?



      If this is the case are you allowed to rearrange values in equations so long as no values have the form $a ÷ b$ $= b ÷a$ and $a - b$ $= b -a$ ?






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      So according to the commutative property for multiplication:



      $a * b = b * a$



      However this does not hold for division



      $a ÷ b$ $!= b ÷a$



      Why is it that in the following case:



      $56 * 100 ÷ 8 = 56 ÷ 8* 100$



      It seems like division is breaking the rule. There is something I am misunderstanding here.



      Is it because $a*b÷c=a÷c*b$ is allowed since $b÷c$ are not being rearranged so that $c÷b$?



      If this is the case are you allowed to rearrange values in equations so long as no values have the form $a ÷ b$ $= b ÷a$ and $a - b$ $= b -a$ ?






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          Notice that you have always $div 8$, no matter the order of the other terms. You don't divide by a different number. It might help to think $div c$ as a multiplication with $d=1/c$. Then everything would look easier:
          $$atimes bdiv c=atimes btimes d=atimes dtimes b=adiv ctimes b$$






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            The non-zero real numbers form an abelian group under multiplication. The notation $adiv b$ is shorthand for $ab^{-1}$.



            So $ab^{-1}ne ba^{-1}$ but $56times100 times8^{-1}=56times 8^{-1}times 100$






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              $$ atimes b ÷ c $$



              $$=atimesdfrac{b}{c}$$



              $$=atimes btimesdfrac{1}{c}$$



              $$=(atimesdfrac{1}{c})times b$$



              $$=dfrac{a}{c}times b$$



              $$=a÷ctimes b$$






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                Because division is the inverse of multiplication, that is: $$X div Y =Xcdot frac 1Y$$



                So you have: $$56cdot 100 cdot frac18 =56cdotfrac18cdot100$$
                Which is obvious.






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                  Others have answered the direct question, in that multiplication is commutative and that applies also to multiplication by a reciprocal (the equivalent of division). However there is an issue here with associativity and division which I think is worth mentioning. This has to do with the order in which operations are carried out.



                  So $adiv b times c$ is being interpreted from left to right as $(adiv b)times c=cfrac {ac}b$, but done from right to left $adiv (btimes c)=cfrac a{bc}$ and the two results are not the same.



                  Likewise with $adiv b div c$ we have $(adiv b)div c=cfrac a{bc} neq adiv (bdiv c)=cfrac {ac}b$.



                  So the conventional assumption that multiplication and division are operations of equal status and are carried out from left to right does make a difference in these cases and changes the result. This may be what is feeding your intuition that there is a potential problem with order.






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                    Notice that you have always $div 8$, no matter the order of the other terms. You don't divide by a different number. It might help to think $div c$ as a multiplication with $d=1/c$. Then everything would look easier:
                    $$atimes bdiv c=atimes btimes d=atimes dtimes b=adiv ctimes b$$






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                      Notice that you have always $div 8$, no matter the order of the other terms. You don't divide by a different number. It might help to think $div c$ as a multiplication with $d=1/c$. Then everything would look easier:
                      $$atimes bdiv c=atimes btimes d=atimes dtimes b=adiv ctimes b$$






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                        $begingroup$

                        Notice that you have always $div 8$, no matter the order of the other terms. You don't divide by a different number. It might help to think $div c$ as a multiplication with $d=1/c$. Then everything would look easier:
                        $$atimes bdiv c=atimes btimes d=atimes dtimes b=adiv ctimes b$$






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                        Notice that you have always $div 8$, no matter the order of the other terms. You don't divide by a different number. It might help to think $div c$ as a multiplication with $d=1/c$. Then everything would look easier:
                        $$atimes bdiv c=atimes btimes d=atimes dtimes b=adiv ctimes b$$







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                            The non-zero real numbers form an abelian group under multiplication. The notation $adiv b$ is shorthand for $ab^{-1}$.



                            So $ab^{-1}ne ba^{-1}$ but $56times100 times8^{-1}=56times 8^{-1}times 100$






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                              The non-zero real numbers form an abelian group under multiplication. The notation $adiv b$ is shorthand for $ab^{-1}$.



                              So $ab^{-1}ne ba^{-1}$ but $56times100 times8^{-1}=56times 8^{-1}times 100$






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                                The non-zero real numbers form an abelian group under multiplication. The notation $adiv b$ is shorthand for $ab^{-1}$.



                                So $ab^{-1}ne ba^{-1}$ but $56times100 times8^{-1}=56times 8^{-1}times 100$






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                                The non-zero real numbers form an abelian group under multiplication. The notation $adiv b$ is shorthand for $ab^{-1}$.



                                So $ab^{-1}ne ba^{-1}$ but $56times100 times8^{-1}=56times 8^{-1}times 100$







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                                    Hope this makes sense.



                                    $$ atimes b ÷ c $$



                                    $$=atimesdfrac{b}{c}$$



                                    $$=atimes btimesdfrac{1}{c}$$



                                    $$=(atimesdfrac{1}{c})times b$$



                                    $$=dfrac{a}{c}times b$$



                                    $$=a÷ctimes b$$






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                                      $$ atimes b ÷ c $$



                                      $$=atimesdfrac{b}{c}$$



                                      $$=atimes btimesdfrac{1}{c}$$



                                      $$=(atimesdfrac{1}{c})times b$$



                                      $$=dfrac{a}{c}times b$$



                                      $$=a÷ctimes b$$






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                                        $$ atimes b ÷ c $$



                                        $$=atimesdfrac{b}{c}$$



                                        $$=atimes btimesdfrac{1}{c}$$



                                        $$=(atimesdfrac{1}{c})times b$$



                                        $$=dfrac{a}{c}times b$$



                                        $$=a÷ctimes b$$






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                                        Hope this makes sense.



                                        $$ atimes b ÷ c $$



                                        $$=atimesdfrac{b}{c}$$



                                        $$=atimes btimesdfrac{1}{c}$$



                                        $$=(atimesdfrac{1}{c})times b$$



                                        $$=dfrac{a}{c}times b$$



                                        $$=a÷ctimes b$$







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                                            Because division is the inverse of multiplication, that is: $$X div Y =Xcdot frac 1Y$$



                                            So you have: $$56cdot 100 cdot frac18 =56cdotfrac18cdot100$$
                                            Which is obvious.






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                                              Because division is the inverse of multiplication, that is: $$X div Y =Xcdot frac 1Y$$



                                              So you have: $$56cdot 100 cdot frac18 =56cdotfrac18cdot100$$
                                              Which is obvious.






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                                                Because division is the inverse of multiplication, that is: $$X div Y =Xcdot frac 1Y$$



                                                So you have: $$56cdot 100 cdot frac18 =56cdotfrac18cdot100$$
                                                Which is obvious.






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                                                Because division is the inverse of multiplication, that is: $$X div Y =Xcdot frac 1Y$$



                                                So you have: $$56cdot 100 cdot frac18 =56cdotfrac18cdot100$$
                                                Which is obvious.







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                                                    Others have answered the direct question, in that multiplication is commutative and that applies also to multiplication by a reciprocal (the equivalent of division). However there is an issue here with associativity and division which I think is worth mentioning. This has to do with the order in which operations are carried out.



                                                    So $adiv b times c$ is being interpreted from left to right as $(adiv b)times c=cfrac {ac}b$, but done from right to left $adiv (btimes c)=cfrac a{bc}$ and the two results are not the same.



                                                    Likewise with $adiv b div c$ we have $(adiv b)div c=cfrac a{bc} neq adiv (bdiv c)=cfrac {ac}b$.



                                                    So the conventional assumption that multiplication and division are operations of equal status and are carried out from left to right does make a difference in these cases and changes the result. This may be what is feeding your intuition that there is a potential problem with order.






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                                                      $begingroup$

                                                      Others have answered the direct question, in that multiplication is commutative and that applies also to multiplication by a reciprocal (the equivalent of division). However there is an issue here with associativity and division which I think is worth mentioning. This has to do with the order in which operations are carried out.



                                                      So $adiv b times c$ is being interpreted from left to right as $(adiv b)times c=cfrac {ac}b$, but done from right to left $adiv (btimes c)=cfrac a{bc}$ and the two results are not the same.



                                                      Likewise with $adiv b div c$ we have $(adiv b)div c=cfrac a{bc} neq adiv (bdiv c)=cfrac {ac}b$.



                                                      So the conventional assumption that multiplication and division are operations of equal status and are carried out from left to right does make a difference in these cases and changes the result. This may be what is feeding your intuition that there is a potential problem with order.






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                                                        Others have answered the direct question, in that multiplication is commutative and that applies also to multiplication by a reciprocal (the equivalent of division). However there is an issue here with associativity and division which I think is worth mentioning. This has to do with the order in which operations are carried out.



                                                        So $adiv b times c$ is being interpreted from left to right as $(adiv b)times c=cfrac {ac}b$, but done from right to left $adiv (btimes c)=cfrac a{bc}$ and the two results are not the same.



                                                        Likewise with $adiv b div c$ we have $(adiv b)div c=cfrac a{bc} neq adiv (bdiv c)=cfrac {ac}b$.



                                                        So the conventional assumption that multiplication and division are operations of equal status and are carried out from left to right does make a difference in these cases and changes the result. This may be what is feeding your intuition that there is a potential problem with order.






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                                                        Others have answered the direct question, in that multiplication is commutative and that applies also to multiplication by a reciprocal (the equivalent of division). However there is an issue here with associativity and division which I think is worth mentioning. This has to do with the order in which operations are carried out.



                                                        So $adiv b times c$ is being interpreted from left to right as $(adiv b)times c=cfrac {ac}b$, but done from right to left $adiv (btimes c)=cfrac a{bc}$ and the two results are not the same.



                                                        Likewise with $adiv b div c$ we have $(adiv b)div c=cfrac a{bc} neq adiv (bdiv c)=cfrac {ac}b$.



                                                        So the conventional assumption that multiplication and division are operations of equal status and are carried out from left to right does make a difference in these cases and changes the result. This may be what is feeding your intuition that there is a potential problem with order.







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