What is indeed the “first known use”?
Why, after a quick lookup at the Google online library, allowing the browsing of the content of available books, can I inevitably find instances prior to the first known use in the dictionary of certain words?
etymology
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Why, after a quick lookup at the Google online library, allowing the browsing of the content of available books, can I inevitably find instances prior to the first known use in the dictionary of certain words?
etymology
edited Oct 30 '11 at 17:03
kiamlaluno
43.7k56181296
asked Oct 30 '11 at 16:14
Lrc007Lrc007
185
4
Mostly it'll be because the dates in google books aren't very reliable - witness all these instances of Internet before 1950
– FumbleFingers
Oct 30 '11 at 16:36
I must confess: It was me who used my time machine, and wrote a book about Internet before 1750.
– kiamlaluno
Oct 30 '11 at 17:07
1
The OED, which has the best quality of "first known use" AFAIK, was populated by readers sending in slips of paper with early quotations they could find (plus its editors doing their best). This crowd-sourcing was the best they could do at the time. Take a look at Murray and the OED and OED#History, or the book The Meaning of Everything: The Story of the Oxford English Dictionary.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:18
1
I've also read great reviews of The Surgeon of Crowthorne (titled The Professor and the Madman: A Tale of Murder, Insanity, and the Making of the Oxford English Dictionary in North America), a book about one of the most prolific contributors. (E.g. NYT: The Strange Case of the Madman With a Quotation for Every Word) As Hugo says, if you find earlier quotes that aren't (say) OCR errors, please do contribute.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:20
1
@Lrc007 Please will you share some of these words you've found with earlier first known use? Thanks!
– Hugo
Oct 31 '11 at 6:52
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Why, after a quick lookup at the Google online library, allowing the browsing of the content of available books, can I inevitably find instances prior to the first known use in the dictionary of certain words?
etymology
edited Oct 30 '11 at 17:03
kiamlaluno
43.7k56181296
asked Oct 30 '11 at 16:14
Lrc007Lrc007
185
Why, after a quick lookup at the Google online library, allowing the browsing of the content of available books, can I inevitably find instances prior to the first known use in the dictionary of certain words?
etymology
etymology
edited Oct 30 '11 at 17:03
kiamlaluno
43.7k56181296
asked Oct 30 '11 at 16:14
Lrc007Lrc007
185
edited Oct 30 '11 at 17:03
kiamlaluno
43.7k56181296
asked Oct 30 '11 at 16:14
Lrc007Lrc007
185
edited Oct 30 '11 at 17:03
kiamlaluno
43.7k56181296
edited Oct 30 '11 at 17:03
kiamlaluno
43.7k56181296
edited Oct 30 '11 at 17:03
kiamlaluno
43.7k56181296
43.7k56181296
asked Oct 30 '11 at 16:14
Lrc007Lrc007
185
asked Oct 30 '11 at 16:14
Lrc007Lrc007
185
asked Oct 30 '11 at 16:14
Lrc007Lrc007
185
185
4
Mostly it'll be because the dates in google books aren't very reliable - witness all these instances of Internet before 1950
– FumbleFingers
Oct 30 '11 at 16:36
I must confess: It was me who used my time machine, and wrote a book about Internet before 1750.
– kiamlaluno
Oct 30 '11 at 17:07
1
The OED, which has the best quality of "first known use" AFAIK, was populated by readers sending in slips of paper with early quotations they could find (plus its editors doing their best). This crowd-sourcing was the best they could do at the time. Take a look at Murray and the OED and OED#History, or the book The Meaning of Everything: The Story of the Oxford English Dictionary.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:18
1
I've also read great reviews of The Surgeon of Crowthorne (titled The Professor and the Madman: A Tale of Murder, Insanity, and the Making of the Oxford English Dictionary in North America), a book about one of the most prolific contributors. (E.g. NYT: The Strange Case of the Madman With a Quotation for Every Word) As Hugo says, if you find earlier quotes that aren't (say) OCR errors, please do contribute.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:20
1
@Lrc007 Please will you share some of these words you've found with earlier first known use? Thanks!
– Hugo
Oct 31 '11 at 6:52
|
show 3 more comments
4
Mostly it'll be because the dates in google books aren't very reliable - witness all these instances of Internet before 1950
– FumbleFingers
Oct 30 '11 at 16:36
I must confess: It was me who used my time machine, and wrote a book about Internet before 1750.
– kiamlaluno
Oct 30 '11 at 17:07
1
The OED, which has the best quality of "first known use" AFAIK, was populated by readers sending in slips of paper with early quotations they could find (plus its editors doing their best). This crowd-sourcing was the best they could do at the time. Take a look at Murray and the OED and OED#History, or the book The Meaning of Everything: The Story of the Oxford English Dictionary.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:18
1
I've also read great reviews of The Surgeon of Crowthorne (titled The Professor and the Madman: A Tale of Murder, Insanity, and the Making of the Oxford English Dictionary in North America), a book about one of the most prolific contributors. (E.g. NYT: The Strange Case of the Madman With a Quotation for Every Word) As Hugo says, if you find earlier quotes that aren't (say) OCR errors, please do contribute.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:20
1
@Lrc007 Please will you share some of these words you've found with earlier first known use? Thanks!
– Hugo
Oct 31 '11 at 6:52
4
4
Mostly it'll be because the dates in google books aren't very reliable - witness all these instances of Internet before 1950
– FumbleFingers
Oct 30 '11 at 16:36
Mostly it'll be because the dates in google books aren't very reliable - witness all these instances of Internet before 1950
– FumbleFingers
Oct 30 '11 at 16:36
I must confess: It was me who used my time machine, and wrote a book about Internet before 1750.
– kiamlaluno
Oct 30 '11 at 17:07
I must confess: It was me who used my time machine, and wrote a book about Internet before 1750.
– kiamlaluno
Oct 30 '11 at 17:07
1
1
The OED, which has the best quality of "first known use" AFAIK, was populated by readers sending in slips of paper with early quotations they could find (plus its editors doing their best). This crowd-sourcing was the best they could do at the time. Take a look at Murray and the OED and OED#History, or the book The Meaning of Everything: The Story of the Oxford English Dictionary.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:18
The OED, which has the best quality of "first known use" AFAIK, was populated by readers sending in slips of paper with early quotations they could find (plus its editors doing their best). This crowd-sourcing was the best they could do at the time. Take a look at Murray and the OED and OED#History, or the book The Meaning of Everything: The Story of the Oxford English Dictionary.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:18
1
1
I've also read great reviews of The Surgeon of Crowthorne (titled The Professor and the Madman: A Tale of Murder, Insanity, and the Making of the Oxford English Dictionary in North America), a book about one of the most prolific contributors. (E.g. NYT: The Strange Case of the Madman With a Quotation for Every Word) As Hugo says, if you find earlier quotes that aren't (say) OCR errors, please do contribute.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:20
I've also read great reviews of The Surgeon of Crowthorne (titled The Professor and the Madman: A Tale of Murder, Insanity, and the Making of the Oxford English Dictionary in North America), a book about one of the most prolific contributors. (E.g. NYT: The Strange Case of the Madman With a Quotation for Every Word) As Hugo says, if you find earlier quotes that aren't (say) OCR errors, please do contribute.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:20
1
1
@Lrc007 Please will you share some of these words you've found with earlier first known use? Thanks!
– Hugo
Oct 31 '11 at 6:52
@Lrc007 Please will you share some of these words you've found with earlier first known use? Thanks!
– Hugo
Oct 31 '11 at 6:52
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Because the fist known use of a word is exactly that: the first known use. If and when they find an antecedent, they will usually update the dictionary entry.
There's no way for them to search every single book and document ever published, and not every publication still exists. However, more documents are being computerised and indexed so this makes it easier to find antecedents.
The OED are very happy to receive antedatings for inclusion in future editions, as well as new meanings. Check their FAQ to find out how to contribute.
answered Oct 30 '11 at 16:21
HugoHugo
58.2k12170269
It appears that They haven't been very efficient.
– Lrc007
Oct 30 '11 at 16:28
4
The editors of the OED have strict criteria for including words and citations.
– Barrie England
Oct 30 '11 at 16:47
3
"They haven't been very efficient." -- This assessment only seems plausible in our current world. Most of the work in finding first usages was done long before computers and digital texts, much less the internet making some of them available to casual users.
– mgkrebbs
Oct 30 '11 at 18:18
+1 for making me look up and learn another word, I'll let you guess which one. ;-)
– Joachim Sauer
Oct 30 '11 at 18:52
@JoachimSauer Antecedent/antedate? And I challenge the OP to antedate the late 14c. antecedent or find an antecedent of antedate prior to the 1580s :)
– Hugo
Oct 30 '11 at 19:20
add a comment |
This is a good question. And the answer is pretty simple: the dictionary is huge and it takes a while to do the research to update it. Therefore, when you're searching right now with Google Books, sometimes you're competing with research that was done decades ago by people who didn't have access to the internet.
The internet, specifically things like Google Books and other databases that have searchable text of old documents, makes etymological research so much easier. And it's still getting better as OCR improves and more stuff is scanned into databases.
In the online OED you might see something like this:
This is your signal that the page is out-of-date.
(Note: The one thing that needs to be said about Google Books is that it doesn't always get the year right. Be sure to check the front page of the book to see what date is printed there before getting your hopes up.)
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Because the fist known use of a word is exactly that: the first known use. If and when they find an antecedent, they will usually update the dictionary entry.
There's no way for them to search every single book and document ever published, and not every publication still exists. However, more documents are being computerised and indexed so this makes it easier to find antecedents.
The OED are very happy to receive antedatings for inclusion in future editions, as well as new meanings. Check their FAQ to find out how to contribute.
answered Oct 30 '11 at 16:21
HugoHugo
58.2k12170269
It appears that They haven't been very efficient.
– Lrc007
Oct 30 '11 at 16:28
4
The editors of the OED have strict criteria for including words and citations.
– Barrie England
Oct 30 '11 at 16:47
3
"They haven't been very efficient." -- This assessment only seems plausible in our current world. Most of the work in finding first usages was done long before computers and digital texts, much less the internet making some of them available to casual users.
– mgkrebbs
Oct 30 '11 at 18:18
+1 for making me look up and learn another word, I'll let you guess which one. ;-)
– Joachim Sauer
Oct 30 '11 at 18:52
@JoachimSauer Antecedent/antedate? And I challenge the OP to antedate the late 14c. antecedent or find an antecedent of antedate prior to the 1580s :)
– Hugo
Oct 30 '11 at 19:20
add a comment |
Because the fist known use of a word is exactly that: the first known use. If and when they find an antecedent, they will usually update the dictionary entry.
There's no way for them to search every single book and document ever published, and not every publication still exists. However, more documents are being computerised and indexed so this makes it easier to find antecedents.
The OED are very happy to receive antedatings for inclusion in future editions, as well as new meanings. Check their FAQ to find out how to contribute.
answered Oct 30 '11 at 16:21
HugoHugo
58.2k12170269
It appears that They haven't been very efficient.
– Lrc007
Oct 30 '11 at 16:28
4
The editors of the OED have strict criteria for including words and citations.
– Barrie England
Oct 30 '11 at 16:47
3
"They haven't been very efficient." -- This assessment only seems plausible in our current world. Most of the work in finding first usages was done long before computers and digital texts, much less the internet making some of them available to casual users.
– mgkrebbs
Oct 30 '11 at 18:18
+1 for making me look up and learn another word, I'll let you guess which one. ;-)
– Joachim Sauer
Oct 30 '11 at 18:52
@JoachimSauer Antecedent/antedate? And I challenge the OP to antedate the late 14c. antecedent or find an antecedent of antedate prior to the 1580s :)
– Hugo
Oct 30 '11 at 19:20
add a comment |
Because the fist known use of a word is exactly that: the first known use. If and when they find an antecedent, they will usually update the dictionary entry.
There's no way for them to search every single book and document ever published, and not every publication still exists. However, more documents are being computerised and indexed so this makes it easier to find antecedents.
The OED are very happy to receive antedatings for inclusion in future editions, as well as new meanings. Check their FAQ to find out how to contribute.
answered Oct 30 '11 at 16:21
HugoHugo
58.2k12170269
Because the fist known use of a word is exactly that: the first known use. If and when they find an antecedent, they will usually update the dictionary entry.
There's no way for them to search every single book and document ever published, and not every publication still exists. However, more documents are being computerised and indexed so this makes it easier to find antecedents.
The OED are very happy to receive antedatings for inclusion in future editions, as well as new meanings. Check their FAQ to find out how to contribute.
answered Oct 30 '11 at 16:21
HugoHugo
58.2k12170269
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answered Oct 30 '11 at 16:21
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It appears that They haven't been very efficient.
– Lrc007
Oct 30 '11 at 16:28
4
The editors of the OED have strict criteria for including words and citations.
– Barrie England
Oct 30 '11 at 16:47
3
"They haven't been very efficient." -- This assessment only seems plausible in our current world. Most of the work in finding first usages was done long before computers and digital texts, much less the internet making some of them available to casual users.
– mgkrebbs
Oct 30 '11 at 18:18
+1 for making me look up and learn another word, I'll let you guess which one. ;-)
– Joachim Sauer
Oct 30 '11 at 18:52
@JoachimSauer Antecedent/antedate? And I challenge the OP to antedate the late 14c. antecedent or find an antecedent of antedate prior to the 1580s :)
– Hugo
Oct 30 '11 at 19:20
add a comment |
It appears that They haven't been very efficient.
– Lrc007
Oct 30 '11 at 16:28
4
The editors of the OED have strict criteria for including words and citations.
– Barrie England
Oct 30 '11 at 16:47
3
"They haven't been very efficient." -- This assessment only seems plausible in our current world. Most of the work in finding first usages was done long before computers and digital texts, much less the internet making some of them available to casual users.
– mgkrebbs
Oct 30 '11 at 18:18
+1 for making me look up and learn another word, I'll let you guess which one. ;-)
– Joachim Sauer
Oct 30 '11 at 18:52
@JoachimSauer Antecedent/antedate? And I challenge the OP to antedate the late 14c. antecedent or find an antecedent of antedate prior to the 1580s :)
– Hugo
Oct 30 '11 at 19:20
It appears that They haven't been very efficient.
– Lrc007
Oct 30 '11 at 16:28
It appears that They haven't been very efficient.
– Lrc007
Oct 30 '11 at 16:28
4
4
The editors of the OED have strict criteria for including words and citations.
– Barrie England
Oct 30 '11 at 16:47
The editors of the OED have strict criteria for including words and citations.
– Barrie England
Oct 30 '11 at 16:47
3
3
"They haven't been very efficient." -- This assessment only seems plausible in our current world. Most of the work in finding first usages was done long before computers and digital texts, much less the internet making some of them available to casual users.
– mgkrebbs
Oct 30 '11 at 18:18
"They haven't been very efficient." -- This assessment only seems plausible in our current world. Most of the work in finding first usages was done long before computers and digital texts, much less the internet making some of them available to casual users.
– mgkrebbs
Oct 30 '11 at 18:18
+1 for making me look up and learn another word, I'll let you guess which one. ;-)
– Joachim Sauer
Oct 30 '11 at 18:52
+1 for making me look up and learn another word, I'll let you guess which one. ;-)
– Joachim Sauer
Oct 30 '11 at 18:52
@JoachimSauer Antecedent/antedate? And I challenge the OP to antedate the late 14c. antecedent or find an antecedent of antedate prior to the 1580s :)
– Hugo
Oct 30 '11 at 19:20
@JoachimSauer Antecedent/antedate? And I challenge the OP to antedate the late 14c. antecedent or find an antecedent of antedate prior to the 1580s :)
– Hugo
Oct 30 '11 at 19:20
add a comment |
This is a good question. And the answer is pretty simple: the dictionary is huge and it takes a while to do the research to update it. Therefore, when you're searching right now with Google Books, sometimes you're competing with research that was done decades ago by people who didn't have access to the internet.
The internet, specifically things like Google Books and other databases that have searchable text of old documents, makes etymological research so much easier. And it's still getting better as OCR improves and more stuff is scanned into databases.
In the online OED you might see something like this:
This is your signal that the page is out-of-date.
(Note: The one thing that needs to be said about Google Books is that it doesn't always get the year right. Be sure to check the front page of the book to see what date is printed there before getting your hopes up.)
answered 2 hours ago
LaurelLaurel
32.9k664117
add a comment |
This is a good question. And the answer is pretty simple: the dictionary is huge and it takes a while to do the research to update it. Therefore, when you're searching right now with Google Books, sometimes you're competing with research that was done decades ago by people who didn't have access to the internet.
The internet, specifically things like Google Books and other databases that have searchable text of old documents, makes etymological research so much easier. And it's still getting better as OCR improves and more stuff is scanned into databases.
In the online OED you might see something like this:
This is your signal that the page is out-of-date.
(Note: The one thing that needs to be said about Google Books is that it doesn't always get the year right. Be sure to check the front page of the book to see what date is printed there before getting your hopes up.)
answered 2 hours ago
LaurelLaurel
32.9k664117
add a comment |
This is a good question. And the answer is pretty simple: the dictionary is huge and it takes a while to do the research to update it. Therefore, when you're searching right now with Google Books, sometimes you're competing with research that was done decades ago by people who didn't have access to the internet.
The internet, specifically things like Google Books and other databases that have searchable text of old documents, makes etymological research so much easier. And it's still getting better as OCR improves and more stuff is scanned into databases.
In the online OED you might see something like this:
This is your signal that the page is out-of-date.
(Note: The one thing that needs to be said about Google Books is that it doesn't always get the year right. Be sure to check the front page of the book to see what date is printed there before getting your hopes up.)
answered 2 hours ago
LaurelLaurel
32.9k664117
This is a good question. And the answer is pretty simple: the dictionary is huge and it takes a while to do the research to update it. Therefore, when you're searching right now with Google Books, sometimes you're competing with research that was done decades ago by people who didn't have access to the internet.
The internet, specifically things like Google Books and other databases that have searchable text of old documents, makes etymological research so much easier. And it's still getting better as OCR improves and more stuff is scanned into databases.
In the online OED you might see something like this:
This is your signal that the page is out-of-date.
(Note: The one thing that needs to be said about Google Books is that it doesn't always get the year right. Be sure to check the front page of the book to see what date is printed there before getting your hopes up.)
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LaurelLaurel
32.9k664117
answered 2 hours ago
LaurelLaurel
32.9k664117
answered 2 hours ago
LaurelLaurel
32.9k664117
answered 2 hours ago
LaurelLaurel
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Mostly it'll be because the dates in google books aren't very reliable - witness all these instances of Internet before 1950
– FumbleFingers
Oct 30 '11 at 16:36
I must confess: It was me who used my time machine, and wrote a book about Internet before 1750.
– kiamlaluno
Oct 30 '11 at 17:07
1
The OED, which has the best quality of "first known use" AFAIK, was populated by readers sending in slips of paper with early quotations they could find (plus its editors doing their best). This crowd-sourcing was the best they could do at the time. Take a look at Murray and the OED and OED#History, or the book The Meaning of Everything: The Story of the Oxford English Dictionary.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:18
1
I've also read great reviews of The Surgeon of Crowthorne (titled The Professor and the Madman: A Tale of Murder, Insanity, and the Making of the Oxford English Dictionary in North America), a book about one of the most prolific contributors. (E.g. NYT: The Strange Case of the Madman With a Quotation for Every Word) As Hugo says, if you find earlier quotes that aren't (say) OCR errors, please do contribute.
– ShreevatsaR
Oct 31 '11 at 3:20
1
@Lrc007 Please will you share some of these words you've found with earlier first known use? Thanks!
– Hugo
Oct 31 '11 at 6:52