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Which of "ungrammatical" or "grammatically incorrect" is prefered and why?
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Which of "ungrammatical" or "grammatically incorrect" is prefered and why?
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Here's the Ngram
– TsSkTo
Sep 20 '13 at 19:04
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Really depends on the audience. This is a bit like asking if "salt" is preferred over "sodium chloride".
– RegDwigнt♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
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@RegDwighт Adding in salt to sodium chloride is like adding insalt to injury.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:34
Wow, too punny!
– Dr. Shmuel
Apr 11 at 22:35
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Which of "ungrammatical" or "grammatically incorrect" is prefered and why?
word-choice differences expression-choice
edited Dec 29 '17 at 20:27
sumelic
50.6k8121228
asked Sep 20 '13 at 18:59
skullpatrolskullpatrol
4972925
Which of "ungrammatical" or "grammatically incorrect" is prefered and why?
word-choice differences expression-choice
word-choice differences expression-choice
edited Dec 29 '17 at 20:27
sumelic
50.6k8121228
asked Sep 20 '13 at 18:59
skullpatrolskullpatrol
4972925
edited Dec 29 '17 at 20:27
sumelic
50.6k8121228
asked Sep 20 '13 at 18:59
skullpatrolskullpatrol
4972925
edited Dec 29 '17 at 20:27
sumelic
50.6k8121228
edited Dec 29 '17 at 20:27
sumelic
50.6k8121228
edited Dec 29 '17 at 20:27
sumelic
50.6k8121228
50.6k8121228
asked Sep 20 '13 at 18:59
skullpatrolskullpatrol
4972925
asked Sep 20 '13 at 18:59
skullpatrolskullpatrol
4972925
asked Sep 20 '13 at 18:59
skullpatrolskullpatrol
4972925
4972925
1
Here's the Ngram
– TsSkTo
Sep 20 '13 at 19:04
2
Really depends on the audience. This is a bit like asking if "salt" is preferred over "sodium chloride".
– RegDwigнt♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
2
@RegDwighт Adding in salt to sodium chloride is like adding insalt to injury.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:34
Wow, too punny!
– Dr. Shmuel
Apr 11 at 22:35
add a comment |
1
Here's the Ngram
– TsSkTo
Sep 20 '13 at 19:04
2
Really depends on the audience. This is a bit like asking if "salt" is preferred over "sodium chloride".
– RegDwigнt♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
2
@RegDwighт Adding in salt to sodium chloride is like adding insalt to injury.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:34
Wow, too punny!
– Dr. Shmuel
Apr 11 at 22:35
1
1
Here's the Ngram
– TsSkTo
Sep 20 '13 at 19:04
Here's the Ngram
– TsSkTo
Sep 20 '13 at 19:04
2
2
Really depends on the audience. This is a bit like asking if "salt" is preferred over "sodium chloride".
– RegDwigнt♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
Really depends on the audience. This is a bit like asking if "salt" is preferred over "sodium chloride".
– RegDwigнt♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
2
2
@RegDwighт Adding in salt to sodium chloride is like adding insalt to injury.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:34
@RegDwighт Adding in salt to sodium chloride is like adding insalt to injury.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:34
Wow, too punny!
– Dr. Shmuel
Apr 11 at 22:35
Wow, too punny!
– Dr. Shmuel
Apr 11 at 22:35
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Both are used, but I believe linguists prefer the former. Grammaticality, as one linguist explained it to me, means "following the rules of the relevant scientific model that is used to describe how people speak". So it is strictly dependent on the model used, but in practice many linguists presume that there is consensus about most elements of the relevant model, so it mostly overlaps with "people actually use this within a certain group and they consider it normal".
The word "incorrect" may suggest that there is something wrong with straying from grammatically; I suspect that linguists do not use this much because they resent the implication. So I think that's why you will mostly see ungrammatical.
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:15
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OED attests the related agrammatism.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:32
"Correct" is a judgemental term that presupposes a nonexistent "standard" of usage which one should attempt to emulate in monitored speech and writing. According, at least, to those who have such a "standard" to sell. Linguists do not use the terms "correct" of "incorrect" much, for several reasons. We prefer to study unmonitored speech, instead of efforts to apply some personal -- and inevitably contradictory -- standards of "correctness". We prefer to speak of grammaticality, which is a much better defined concept that's well-known in technical circles.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:10
@JohnLawler: So that's what I was saying, right?
– Cerberus
Sep 20 '13 at 21:22
Maybe. I dunno what you were saying. I only know what I saw and I thought there might be another interpretation, so I posted it.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:55
May I add this as further evidence supporting your excellent answer.
– skullpatrol
Dec 11 '13 at 11:30
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"Grammatical" is a modifier. Let's assume someone were to write a scientific article. If the information contained within the article is accurate, but poorly worded, we could say that the article was factually correct but grammatically incorrect.
If someone were to proofread the article and simply claim "This is incorrect" by what metric are they making the statement? The content, or the syntax? By including the modifier, we are now able to clarify the way in which the author was incorrect.
Grammatically incorrect implies the work is factually accurate, but has errors in grammar.
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Gramatical is a term used to describe a phrase or word that follows the rules of grammar. To say something is grammatically incorrect would be like saying it is “right wrong” or “correct incorrect”. The term ungrammatical, on the other hand, suggests the phrase/word is not grammatical or does not follow the rules of grammar.
answered Apr 1 at 3:26
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please provide a source to support your answer.
– JJJ
Apr 1 at 5:34
oh, I know the source. It's a recent Grey's Anatomy episode :)
– Tomasz Pluskiewicz
Apr 10 at 5:41
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As per the Ngram report given by TssSKTo, it shows "ungrammatical" is used widely for the sentence having incorrect grammar..
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
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You have spurious As at the start of your sentence. Just say “Per the Ngram report. . . .”
– tchrist♦
Sep 21 '13 at 1:13
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Both are used, but I believe linguists prefer the former. Grammaticality, as one linguist explained it to me, means "following the rules of the relevant scientific model that is used to describe how people speak". So it is strictly dependent on the model used, but in practice many linguists presume that there is consensus about most elements of the relevant model, so it mostly overlaps with "people actually use this within a certain group and they consider it normal".
The word "incorrect" may suggest that there is something wrong with straying from grammatically; I suspect that linguists do not use this much because they resent the implication. So I think that's why you will mostly see ungrammatical.
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:15
CerberusCerberus
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OED attests the related agrammatism.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:32
"Correct" is a judgemental term that presupposes a nonexistent "standard" of usage which one should attempt to emulate in monitored speech and writing. According, at least, to those who have such a "standard" to sell. Linguists do not use the terms "correct" of "incorrect" much, for several reasons. We prefer to study unmonitored speech, instead of efforts to apply some personal -- and inevitably contradictory -- standards of "correctness". We prefer to speak of grammaticality, which is a much better defined concept that's well-known in technical circles.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:10
@JohnLawler: So that's what I was saying, right?
– Cerberus
Sep 20 '13 at 21:22
Maybe. I dunno what you were saying. I only know what I saw and I thought there might be another interpretation, so I posted it.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:55
May I add this as further evidence supporting your excellent answer.
– skullpatrol
Dec 11 '13 at 11:30
add a comment |
Both are used, but I believe linguists prefer the former. Grammaticality, as one linguist explained it to me, means "following the rules of the relevant scientific model that is used to describe how people speak". So it is strictly dependent on the model used, but in practice many linguists presume that there is consensus about most elements of the relevant model, so it mostly overlaps with "people actually use this within a certain group and they consider it normal".
The word "incorrect" may suggest that there is something wrong with straying from grammatically; I suspect that linguists do not use this much because they resent the implication. So I think that's why you will mostly see ungrammatical.
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:15
CerberusCerberus
54.4k2121210
OED attests the related agrammatism.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:32
"Correct" is a judgemental term that presupposes a nonexistent "standard" of usage which one should attempt to emulate in monitored speech and writing. According, at least, to those who have such a "standard" to sell. Linguists do not use the terms "correct" of "incorrect" much, for several reasons. We prefer to study unmonitored speech, instead of efforts to apply some personal -- and inevitably contradictory -- standards of "correctness". We prefer to speak of grammaticality, which is a much better defined concept that's well-known in technical circles.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:10
@JohnLawler: So that's what I was saying, right?
– Cerberus
Sep 20 '13 at 21:22
Maybe. I dunno what you were saying. I only know what I saw and I thought there might be another interpretation, so I posted it.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:55
May I add this as further evidence supporting your excellent answer.
– skullpatrol
Dec 11 '13 at 11:30
add a comment |
Both are used, but I believe linguists prefer the former. Grammaticality, as one linguist explained it to me, means "following the rules of the relevant scientific model that is used to describe how people speak". So it is strictly dependent on the model used, but in practice many linguists presume that there is consensus about most elements of the relevant model, so it mostly overlaps with "people actually use this within a certain group and they consider it normal".
The word "incorrect" may suggest that there is something wrong with straying from grammatically; I suspect that linguists do not use this much because they resent the implication. So I think that's why you will mostly see ungrammatical.
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:15
CerberusCerberus
54.4k2121210
Both are used, but I believe linguists prefer the former. Grammaticality, as one linguist explained it to me, means "following the rules of the relevant scientific model that is used to describe how people speak". So it is strictly dependent on the model used, but in practice many linguists presume that there is consensus about most elements of the relevant model, so it mostly overlaps with "people actually use this within a certain group and they consider it normal".
The word "incorrect" may suggest that there is something wrong with straying from grammatically; I suspect that linguists do not use this much because they resent the implication. So I think that's why you will mostly see ungrammatical.
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:15
CerberusCerberus
54.4k2121210
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:15
CerberusCerberus
54.4k2121210
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:15
CerberusCerberus
54.4k2121210
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:15
CerberusCerberus
54.4k2121210
54.4k2121210
OED attests the related agrammatism.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:32
"Correct" is a judgemental term that presupposes a nonexistent "standard" of usage which one should attempt to emulate in monitored speech and writing. According, at least, to those who have such a "standard" to sell. Linguists do not use the terms "correct" of "incorrect" much, for several reasons. We prefer to study unmonitored speech, instead of efforts to apply some personal -- and inevitably contradictory -- standards of "correctness". We prefer to speak of grammaticality, which is a much better defined concept that's well-known in technical circles.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:10
@JohnLawler: So that's what I was saying, right?
– Cerberus
Sep 20 '13 at 21:22
Maybe. I dunno what you were saying. I only know what I saw and I thought there might be another interpretation, so I posted it.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:55
May I add this as further evidence supporting your excellent answer.
– skullpatrol
Dec 11 '13 at 11:30
add a comment |
OED attests the related agrammatism.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:32
"Correct" is a judgemental term that presupposes a nonexistent "standard" of usage which one should attempt to emulate in monitored speech and writing. According, at least, to those who have such a "standard" to sell. Linguists do not use the terms "correct" of "incorrect" much, for several reasons. We prefer to study unmonitored speech, instead of efforts to apply some personal -- and inevitably contradictory -- standards of "correctness". We prefer to speak of grammaticality, which is a much better defined concept that's well-known in technical circles.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:10
@JohnLawler: So that's what I was saying, right?
– Cerberus
Sep 20 '13 at 21:22
Maybe. I dunno what you were saying. I only know what I saw and I thought there might be another interpretation, so I posted it.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:55
May I add this as further evidence supporting your excellent answer.
– skullpatrol
Dec 11 '13 at 11:30
OED attests the related agrammatism.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:32
OED attests the related agrammatism.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:32
"Correct" is a judgemental term that presupposes a nonexistent "standard" of usage which one should attempt to emulate in monitored speech and writing. According, at least, to those who have such a "standard" to sell. Linguists do not use the terms "correct" of "incorrect" much, for several reasons. We prefer to study unmonitored speech, instead of efforts to apply some personal -- and inevitably contradictory -- standards of "correctness". We prefer to speak of grammaticality, which is a much better defined concept that's well-known in technical circles.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:10
"Correct" is a judgemental term that presupposes a nonexistent "standard" of usage which one should attempt to emulate in monitored speech and writing. According, at least, to those who have such a "standard" to sell. Linguists do not use the terms "correct" of "incorrect" much, for several reasons. We prefer to study unmonitored speech, instead of efforts to apply some personal -- and inevitably contradictory -- standards of "correctness". We prefer to speak of grammaticality, which is a much better defined concept that's well-known in technical circles.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:10
@JohnLawler: So that's what I was saying, right?
– Cerberus
Sep 20 '13 at 21:22
@JohnLawler: So that's what I was saying, right?
– Cerberus
Sep 20 '13 at 21:22
Maybe. I dunno what you were saying. I only know what I saw and I thought there might be another interpretation, so I posted it.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:55
Maybe. I dunno what you were saying. I only know what I saw and I thought there might be another interpretation, so I posted it.
– John Lawler
Sep 20 '13 at 21:55
May I add this as further evidence supporting your excellent answer.
– skullpatrol
Dec 11 '13 at 11:30
May I add this as further evidence supporting your excellent answer.
– skullpatrol
Dec 11 '13 at 11:30
add a comment |
"Grammatical" is a modifier. Let's assume someone were to write a scientific article. If the information contained within the article is accurate, but poorly worded, we could say that the article was factually correct but grammatically incorrect.
If someone were to proofread the article and simply claim "This is incorrect" by what metric are they making the statement? The content, or the syntax? By including the modifier, we are now able to clarify the way in which the author was incorrect.
Grammatically incorrect implies the work is factually accurate, but has errors in grammar.
answered Apr 11 at 20:55
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"Grammatical" is a modifier. Let's assume someone were to write a scientific article. If the information contained within the article is accurate, but poorly worded, we could say that the article was factually correct but grammatically incorrect.
If someone were to proofread the article and simply claim "This is incorrect" by what metric are they making the statement? The content, or the syntax? By including the modifier, we are now able to clarify the way in which the author was incorrect.
Grammatically incorrect implies the work is factually accurate, but has errors in grammar.
answered Apr 11 at 20:55
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"Grammatical" is a modifier. Let's assume someone were to write a scientific article. If the information contained within the article is accurate, but poorly worded, we could say that the article was factually correct but grammatically incorrect.
If someone were to proofread the article and simply claim "This is incorrect" by what metric are they making the statement? The content, or the syntax? By including the modifier, we are now able to clarify the way in which the author was incorrect.
Grammatically incorrect implies the work is factually accurate, but has errors in grammar.
answered Apr 11 at 20:55
Biff HendersonBiff Henderson
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"Grammatical" is a modifier. Let's assume someone were to write a scientific article. If the information contained within the article is accurate, but poorly worded, we could say that the article was factually correct but grammatically incorrect.
If someone were to proofread the article and simply claim "This is incorrect" by what metric are they making the statement? The content, or the syntax? By including the modifier, we are now able to clarify the way in which the author was incorrect.
Grammatically incorrect implies the work is factually accurate, but has errors in grammar.
answered Apr 11 at 20:55
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Gramatical is a term used to describe a phrase or word that follows the rules of grammar. To say something is grammatically incorrect would be like saying it is “right wrong” or “correct incorrect”. The term ungrammatical, on the other hand, suggests the phrase/word is not grammatical or does not follow the rules of grammar.
answered Apr 1 at 3:26
GraysonGrayson
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please provide a source to support your answer.
– JJJ
Apr 1 at 5:34
oh, I know the source. It's a recent Grey's Anatomy episode :)
– Tomasz Pluskiewicz
Apr 10 at 5:41
add a comment |
Gramatical is a term used to describe a phrase or word that follows the rules of grammar. To say something is grammatically incorrect would be like saying it is “right wrong” or “correct incorrect”. The term ungrammatical, on the other hand, suggests the phrase/word is not grammatical or does not follow the rules of grammar.
answered Apr 1 at 3:26
GraysonGrayson
111
please provide a source to support your answer.
– JJJ
Apr 1 at 5:34
oh, I know the source. It's a recent Grey's Anatomy episode :)
– Tomasz Pluskiewicz
Apr 10 at 5:41
add a comment |
Gramatical is a term used to describe a phrase or word that follows the rules of grammar. To say something is grammatically incorrect would be like saying it is “right wrong” or “correct incorrect”. The term ungrammatical, on the other hand, suggests the phrase/word is not grammatical or does not follow the rules of grammar.
answered Apr 1 at 3:26
GraysonGrayson
111
Gramatical is a term used to describe a phrase or word that follows the rules of grammar. To say something is grammatically incorrect would be like saying it is “right wrong” or “correct incorrect”. The term ungrammatical, on the other hand, suggests the phrase/word is not grammatical or does not follow the rules of grammar.
answered Apr 1 at 3:26
GraysonGrayson
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answered Apr 1 at 3:26
GraysonGrayson
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answered Apr 1 at 3:26
GraysonGrayson
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answered Apr 1 at 3:26
GraysonGrayson
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please provide a source to support your answer.
– JJJ
Apr 1 at 5:34
oh, I know the source. It's a recent Grey's Anatomy episode :)
– Tomasz Pluskiewicz
Apr 10 at 5:41
add a comment |
please provide a source to support your answer.
– JJJ
Apr 1 at 5:34
oh, I know the source. It's a recent Grey's Anatomy episode :)
– Tomasz Pluskiewicz
Apr 10 at 5:41
please provide a source to support your answer.
– JJJ
Apr 1 at 5:34
please provide a source to support your answer.
– JJJ
Apr 1 at 5:34
oh, I know the source. It's a recent Grey's Anatomy episode :)
– Tomasz Pluskiewicz
Apr 10 at 5:41
oh, I know the source. It's a recent Grey's Anatomy episode :)
– Tomasz Pluskiewicz
Apr 10 at 5:41
add a comment |
As per the Ngram report given by TssSKTo, it shows "ungrammatical" is used widely for the sentence having incorrect grammar..
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
Sweet72Sweet72
829411
You have spurious As at the start of your sentence. Just say “Per the Ngram report. . . .”
– tchrist♦
Sep 21 '13 at 1:13
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As per the Ngram report given by TssSKTo, it shows "ungrammatical" is used widely for the sentence having incorrect grammar..
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
Sweet72Sweet72
829411
You have spurious As at the start of your sentence. Just say “Per the Ngram report. . . .”
– tchrist♦
Sep 21 '13 at 1:13
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As per the Ngram report given by TssSKTo, it shows "ungrammatical" is used widely for the sentence having incorrect grammar..
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
Sweet72Sweet72
829411
As per the Ngram report given by TssSKTo, it shows "ungrammatical" is used widely for the sentence having incorrect grammar..
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
Sweet72Sweet72
829411
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
Sweet72Sweet72
829411
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
Sweet72Sweet72
829411
answered Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
Sweet72Sweet72
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829411
You have spurious As at the start of your sentence. Just say “Per the Ngram report. . . .”
– tchrist♦
Sep 21 '13 at 1:13
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You have spurious As at the start of your sentence. Just say “Per the Ngram report. . . .”
– tchrist♦
Sep 21 '13 at 1:13
You have spurious As at the start of your sentence. Just say “Per the Ngram report. . . .”
– tchrist♦
Sep 21 '13 at 1:13
You have spurious As at the start of your sentence. Just say “Per the Ngram report. . . .”
– tchrist♦
Sep 21 '13 at 1:13
add a comment |
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Here's the Ngram
– TsSkTo
Sep 20 '13 at 19:04
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Really depends on the audience. This is a bit like asking if "salt" is preferred over "sodium chloride".
– RegDwigнt♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:10
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@RegDwighт Adding in salt to sodium chloride is like adding insalt to injury.
– tchrist♦
Sep 20 '13 at 19:34
Wow, too punny!
– Dr. Shmuel
Apr 11 at 22:35