Can “then” be used as a coordinating conjunction?
Can the word "then" be used as a coordinating conjunction?
I am confused, because the word seems as if it works as a coordinating conjunction, but I did not see it is classified so. The Cambridge Dictionary Online grammar source classifies it as an adverb and puts it into groups in terms of meaning.
For example, in the following sentence it means "next" according to the website.
He opened the door, then the lights came on and everybody shouted,
‘Happy Birthday’.
Yes, it means "next" in the sentence, but it also connects independent clauses. Because without the word then, the sentence comprises of three simple sentences and I am not sure if it would be grammatically correct as the following. I think in this case the sentence would be run-on (comma splice).
He opened the door, the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy
Birthday’.
Beside that, if we do not focus on what function the word then has in the sentence, how we can classify that sentence? Is it a simple, compound, or complex sentence? Or neither of them?
It is not simple nor complex. Because it does not have a dependent clause, but a University of Cambridge Grammar book also says a compound sentence must consist of two independent clauses. If there are more than two independent clauses then rewrite them as two sentences. But there are three independent clauses in the example sentence, so how does it work?
In the following example the word then means "in that case" and places in a complex sentence.
If we buy Jason a present, then we’ll have to buy one for Isaac too.
I wonder if I can omit then, but keeping the meaning of the original sentence and would that be grammatically correct?
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Can the word "then" be used as a coordinating conjunction?
I am confused, because the word seems as if it works as a coordinating conjunction, but I did not see it is classified so. The Cambridge Dictionary Online grammar source classifies it as an adverb and puts it into groups in terms of meaning.
For example, in the following sentence it means "next" according to the website.
He opened the door, then the lights came on and everybody shouted,
‘Happy Birthday’.
Yes, it means "next" in the sentence, but it also connects independent clauses. Because without the word then, the sentence comprises of three simple sentences and I am not sure if it would be grammatically correct as the following. I think in this case the sentence would be run-on (comma splice).
He opened the door, the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy
Birthday’.
Beside that, if we do not focus on what function the word then has in the sentence, how we can classify that sentence? Is it a simple, compound, or complex sentence? Or neither of them?
It is not simple nor complex. Because it does not have a dependent clause, but a University of Cambridge Grammar book also says a compound sentence must consist of two independent clauses. If there are more than two independent clauses then rewrite them as two sentences. But there are three independent clauses in the example sentence, so how does it work?
In the following example the word then means "in that case" and places in a complex sentence.
If we buy Jason a present, then we’ll have to buy one for Isaac too.
I wonder if I can omit then, but keeping the meaning of the original sentence and would that be grammatically correct?
sentence-structure conjunctions coordination
This page seems relevant: grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conjunctions.htm
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:04
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"He opened the door, the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’" is a compound sentence according to the Oxford Essential Guide to Writing. Regarding "If... then..." sentences it is perfectly fine to leave out the "then". The meaning does not change.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:06
@Silenus Thank you for the link and comment. I have read the page on the link you gave and according that website using the word then in this way is comma splice. So do you think the example sentence on Cambridge Dictionary is a comma splice? They could make mistakes too?
– Mrt
Nov 1 '16 at 22:26
The essential meaning of then is temporal - 'at that moment' (OED). As a conjunction it's often redundant - I got home then I phoned my friend and then I made a drink. Best used when fixing a moment - ...*it was then that I realised*..., Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill...
– Dan
Nov 1 '16 at 22:55
@Mrt No, it's not a coordinator. It's being used anaphorically here and has a temporal meaning. It belongs to the category adverb (in trad grammar) or preposition (in some modern grammars). Its function is that of adjunct. Sometimes "then" refers not to the same time as that of its antecedent, but to a time closely following it, and that is what's happening here where we understand it to mean "after that". The fact that it would be possible to add the coordinator "and" to give "and then the lights came on" is proof of all this, since it is not possible to have two consecutive coordinators.
– BillJ
Nov 2 '16 at 10:59
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Can the word "then" be used as a coordinating conjunction?
I am confused, because the word seems as if it works as a coordinating conjunction, but I did not see it is classified so. The Cambridge Dictionary Online grammar source classifies it as an adverb and puts it into groups in terms of meaning.
For example, in the following sentence it means "next" according to the website.
He opened the door, then the lights came on and everybody shouted,
‘Happy Birthday’.
Yes, it means "next" in the sentence, but it also connects independent clauses. Because without the word then, the sentence comprises of three simple sentences and I am not sure if it would be grammatically correct as the following. I think in this case the sentence would be run-on (comma splice).
He opened the door, the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy
Birthday’.
Beside that, if we do not focus on what function the word then has in the sentence, how we can classify that sentence? Is it a simple, compound, or complex sentence? Or neither of them?
It is not simple nor complex. Because it does not have a dependent clause, but a University of Cambridge Grammar book also says a compound sentence must consist of two independent clauses. If there are more than two independent clauses then rewrite them as two sentences. But there are three independent clauses in the example sentence, so how does it work?
In the following example the word then means "in that case" and places in a complex sentence.
If we buy Jason a present, then we’ll have to buy one for Isaac too.
I wonder if I can omit then, but keeping the meaning of the original sentence and would that be grammatically correct?
sentence-structure conjunctions coordination
Can the word "then" be used as a coordinating conjunction?
I am confused, because the word seems as if it works as a coordinating conjunction, but I did not see it is classified so. The Cambridge Dictionary Online grammar source classifies it as an adverb and puts it into groups in terms of meaning.
For example, in the following sentence it means "next" according to the website.
He opened the door, then the lights came on and everybody shouted,
‘Happy Birthday’.
Yes, it means "next" in the sentence, but it also connects independent clauses. Because without the word then, the sentence comprises of three simple sentences and I am not sure if it would be grammatically correct as the following. I think in this case the sentence would be run-on (comma splice).
He opened the door, the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy
Birthday’.
Beside that, if we do not focus on what function the word then has in the sentence, how we can classify that sentence? Is it a simple, compound, or complex sentence? Or neither of them?
It is not simple nor complex. Because it does not have a dependent clause, but a University of Cambridge Grammar book also says a compound sentence must consist of two independent clauses. If there are more than two independent clauses then rewrite them as two sentences. But there are three independent clauses in the example sentence, so how does it work?
In the following example the word then means "in that case" and places in a complex sentence.
If we buy Jason a present, then we’ll have to buy one for Isaac too.
I wonder if I can omit then, but keeping the meaning of the original sentence and would that be grammatically correct?
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This page seems relevant: grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conjunctions.htm
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:04
2
"He opened the door, the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’" is a compound sentence according to the Oxford Essential Guide to Writing. Regarding "If... then..." sentences it is perfectly fine to leave out the "then". The meaning does not change.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:06
@Silenus Thank you for the link and comment. I have read the page on the link you gave and according that website using the word then in this way is comma splice. So do you think the example sentence on Cambridge Dictionary is a comma splice? They could make mistakes too?
– Mrt
Nov 1 '16 at 22:26
The essential meaning of then is temporal - 'at that moment' (OED). As a conjunction it's often redundant - I got home then I phoned my friend and then I made a drink. Best used when fixing a moment - ...*it was then that I realised*..., Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill...
– Dan
Nov 1 '16 at 22:55
@Mrt No, it's not a coordinator. It's being used anaphorically here and has a temporal meaning. It belongs to the category adverb (in trad grammar) or preposition (in some modern grammars). Its function is that of adjunct. Sometimes "then" refers not to the same time as that of its antecedent, but to a time closely following it, and that is what's happening here where we understand it to mean "after that". The fact that it would be possible to add the coordinator "and" to give "and then the lights came on" is proof of all this, since it is not possible to have two consecutive coordinators.
– BillJ
Nov 2 '16 at 10:59
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This page seems relevant: grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conjunctions.htm
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:04
2
"He opened the door, the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’" is a compound sentence according to the Oxford Essential Guide to Writing. Regarding "If... then..." sentences it is perfectly fine to leave out the "then". The meaning does not change.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:06
@Silenus Thank you for the link and comment. I have read the page on the link you gave and according that website using the word then in this way is comma splice. So do you think the example sentence on Cambridge Dictionary is a comma splice? They could make mistakes too?
– Mrt
Nov 1 '16 at 22:26
The essential meaning of then is temporal - 'at that moment' (OED). As a conjunction it's often redundant - I got home then I phoned my friend and then I made a drink. Best used when fixing a moment - ...*it was then that I realised*..., Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill...
– Dan
Nov 1 '16 at 22:55
@Mrt No, it's not a coordinator. It's being used anaphorically here and has a temporal meaning. It belongs to the category adverb (in trad grammar) or preposition (in some modern grammars). Its function is that of adjunct. Sometimes "then" refers not to the same time as that of its antecedent, but to a time closely following it, and that is what's happening here where we understand it to mean "after that". The fact that it would be possible to add the coordinator "and" to give "and then the lights came on" is proof of all this, since it is not possible to have two consecutive coordinators.
– BillJ
Nov 2 '16 at 10:59
This page seems relevant: grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conjunctions.htm
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:04
This page seems relevant: grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conjunctions.htm
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:04
2
2
"He opened the door, the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’" is a compound sentence according to the Oxford Essential Guide to Writing. Regarding "If... then..." sentences it is perfectly fine to leave out the "then". The meaning does not change.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:06
"He opened the door, the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’" is a compound sentence according to the Oxford Essential Guide to Writing. Regarding "If... then..." sentences it is perfectly fine to leave out the "then". The meaning does not change.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:06
@Silenus Thank you for the link and comment. I have read the page on the link you gave and according that website using the word then in this way is comma splice. So do you think the example sentence on Cambridge Dictionary is a comma splice? They could make mistakes too?
– Mrt
Nov 1 '16 at 22:26
@Silenus Thank you for the link and comment. I have read the page on the link you gave and according that website using the word then in this way is comma splice. So do you think the example sentence on Cambridge Dictionary is a comma splice? They could make mistakes too?
– Mrt
Nov 1 '16 at 22:26
The essential meaning of then is temporal - 'at that moment' (OED). As a conjunction it's often redundant - I got home then I phoned my friend and then I made a drink. Best used when fixing a moment - ...*it was then that I realised*..., Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill...
– Dan
Nov 1 '16 at 22:55
The essential meaning of then is temporal - 'at that moment' (OED). As a conjunction it's often redundant - I got home then I phoned my friend and then I made a drink. Best used when fixing a moment - ...*it was then that I realised*..., Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill...
– Dan
Nov 1 '16 at 22:55
@Mrt No, it's not a coordinator. It's being used anaphorically here and has a temporal meaning. It belongs to the category adverb (in trad grammar) or preposition (in some modern grammars). Its function is that of adjunct. Sometimes "then" refers not to the same time as that of its antecedent, but to a time closely following it, and that is what's happening here where we understand it to mean "after that". The fact that it would be possible to add the coordinator "and" to give "and then the lights came on" is proof of all this, since it is not possible to have two consecutive coordinators.
– BillJ
Nov 2 '16 at 10:59
@Mrt No, it's not a coordinator. It's being used anaphorically here and has a temporal meaning. It belongs to the category adverb (in trad grammar) or preposition (in some modern grammars). Its function is that of adjunct. Sometimes "then" refers not to the same time as that of its antecedent, but to a time closely following it, and that is what's happening here where we understand it to mean "after that". The fact that it would be possible to add the coordinator "and" to give "and then the lights came on" is proof of all this, since it is not possible to have two consecutive coordinators.
– BillJ
Nov 2 '16 at 10:59
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One of the best tests of a coordinating conjunction is its non-reversible order. We frequently place subordinate clauses beginning with the subordinating conjunction before the main clause, such as:
Because the man overate, he developed a stomach ache.
Coordinating conjunctions cannot be reversed in this way; HOWEVER (!!!)
The word "then" is often used alone, when in reality, in proper usage, it is "AND then". AND is the coordinating conjunction with THEN remaining and adverb of time, indicating WHEN the action occurred.
So, (an incorrectly placed coordinating conjunction... sorry), examining your original sentence:
He opened the door, then the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’.
If we say,
He opened the door, AND then the lights came on, and everybody shouted.
We see that there are actually TWO independent clauses with AND as the coordinating conjunction, with THEN used properly as an adverb.
Hope this clears it up. Just because we don't say (or write) the AND, it is still (grammatically) there, the same way YOU is still the subject in imperatives, even though it is always omitted.
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The "part of speech" of a word describes the function that it has in a particular construction; but the same word can appear in different constructions. So there's no problem at all if then functions as an adverb in some constructions and as a coordinating conjunction in others.
One could argue, however, that then (when used as a coordinator) is prototypically subordinating, since the clause it modifies can have its subject omitted (linguists call this "subject pivot").
E.g.,
Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill.
Also note that the coordination places a semantic restriction on the two clauses: the first must refer to an earlier time (or metaphorically, to a logically prior state of affairs) than the second.
For example, the following sentence seems well-formed syntactically, but makes no sense.
?I forgot to do my homework, then Boniface reorganized the Frankish church.
This restriction will in some cases affect the possible grammatical tenses that can appear in the second clause, which is a good indicator of subordinating function:
*I will do my homework, then Boniface was about to reorganize the Frankish church.
+1, but I'm not convinced "then" is prototypically subordinating in constructions like "Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill." One can omit a subject in "then [he] started to feel ill" just as easily as one can omit it in "and [he] started to feel ill" in "Thomas ate three hams and [he] started to feel ill." This doesn't suggest that "and" is subordinating, does it? It's just parallelism on verbs, each of which conveys (roughly) equally important information. It seems very similar to "but" which is a conj connoting contrast. "Then" seems like a conj connoting temporal sequence.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 23:22
@Silenus fair enough.
– jlovegren
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This article from Think Map - Visual Thesaurus addresses this issue [the version here slightly reformatted and condensed]:
Do This, Then Do That: Coordinating "Then" Usage_ Erin Brenner
Recently in an online forum for editors, someone balked at then
being used as a coordinating conjunction, as in:
I went to high school, then I went to college.
Coordinating conjunctions, you'll recall, join two items of equal
status: two words of the same parts of speech, two phrases of the same
type (e.g. adverbial), or two clauses (independent or dependent).
And, or, and but are coordinating conjunctions.
Look around, though, and you'll see then used as a coordinating
conjunction with surprising frequency, even in professionally written
and edited copy:
Rub the beets with 1 tablespoon olive oil, then add them to the pan.—The New York Times, 2012
I popped the cup into the microwave, set it to nuke anything unfortunate enough to be caught within its grasp for thirty seconds,
then raided my fridge for sustenance.—Darynda Jones, Third Grave Dead
Ahead, 2012
Given that these examples ended up in print, we need to ask why no one
noticed the error.
Can then be used as a coordinating conjunction?
Defining Then
Then is commonly used as an adverb, adjective, or noun to indicate time:
Will you meet me then?
We contacted the then governor of Arkansas.
We'll meet again tomorrow; until then, review today's meeting notes.
Then is also used as an adverb to mean "besides," "in that case," and "therefore."
The American Heritage Dictionary was the only dictionary I found that
addresses the question of then as a conjunction:
<< Sticklers for grammar sometimes assert that then is not a
coordinating conjunction, and that the sentence She took a slice of
pie, then left is thus incorrect; it must be rewritten as She took a
slice of pie and then left, in which the then acts as an adverb and
the halves of the compound predicate are linked by the coordinating
conjunction and. But this use of then as a coordinating
conjunction is actually both widespread and widely accepted; in our
2012 survey, more than three quarters of the Usage Panel found the
sentence She took a slice of pie, then left completely acceptable.>>
The dictionary goes on to note that when then is used as
conjunction, a comma is needed before it, which is different from how
conjunctions like and function.
In 2012, I wrote about coordinating conjunctions and the criteria a
word currently needs to meet to be considered one....
Then doesn't meet the full criteria of a coordinating conjunction. Like so and yet, it can be paired with and, but, and or:
I walked to the bus stop, but then I decided to take the train.
I will study all day, and then I'll take a nap, or then I'll take a walk.
While then can't be modified, it can only join specific types of
clauses and the order of the clauses can't be switched, similar to
so and for:
I will bring a notebook, then a pen. ≠ I will bring a notebook and a pen.
I walked to the bus stop, then I decided to take the train. ≠ I decided to take the train, then I walked to the bus stop.
As I noted in my conjunction article, The Cambridge Grammar of the
English Language identifies so as 'like a conjunctive adverb, like
however', and for as 'similar to subordinating conjunctions, like because'. If I had to categorize then, I'd say it's more like because and for, because the order of the items is generally important.
Using then
Then doesn't meet the specifications for a coordinating conjunction, but we're using it that way anyway — in professionally published copy,
no less. As AHD points out, many of us don't notice or aren't bothered
by then as a coordinating conjunction in certain conditions.
So can you use it as one?
If the use of then complies with the criteria discussed, you'll be
in good company using it as a coordinating conjunction. If the usage
doesn't meet the criteria or your audience isn't accepting of such a
usage, you'd be wise to revise the sentence.
............
The 'if ... then ...' construction is, as far as I can see, always eligible for then-deletion.
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In The Syntactic Phenomena of English, McCawley proposes Ross's CSC (Coordinate Structure Constraint) as test for whether a two part structure is coordinate. If a constituent cannot be extracted from just one part without being extracted from both parts, we classify it as coordinate, because it is subject to the CSC. Otherwise, if it is not subject to this constraint, it is not a coordinate structure.
For instance, from
You bought something for Joyce, and devoured it. What was it?
by extracting both objects, we get
What did you buy for Joyce and devour?
but not
*What did you buy for Joyce and devour it?
Therefore, "and" is coordinate. Let's try it with "then".
You bought something for Joyce, then devoured it. What was it?
*What did you buy for Joyce then devour it?
??What did you buy for Joyce then devour?
I conclude that "then" is coordinate (at least sometimes).
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In fiction writing, using 'then' as a conjunction seems fairly standard nowadays. The only issue I see is that you are almost compelled to use a comma in a simple sentence with compound predicate, whereas with 'and' you wouldn't use the comma.
Example: We went to a restaurant and saw a movie.
We went to a restaurant, then saw a movie.
Without the comma in the second example would lead to confusion (the possible meaning could be 'we went to a restaurant at that moment').
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One of the best tests of a coordinating conjunction is its non-reversible order. We frequently place subordinate clauses beginning with the subordinating conjunction before the main clause, such as:
Because the man overate, he developed a stomach ache.
Coordinating conjunctions cannot be reversed in this way; HOWEVER (!!!)
The word "then" is often used alone, when in reality, in proper usage, it is "AND then". AND is the coordinating conjunction with THEN remaining and adverb of time, indicating WHEN the action occurred.
So, (an incorrectly placed coordinating conjunction... sorry), examining your original sentence:
He opened the door, then the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’.
If we say,
He opened the door, AND then the lights came on, and everybody shouted.
We see that there are actually TWO independent clauses with AND as the coordinating conjunction, with THEN used properly as an adverb.
Hope this clears it up. Just because we don't say (or write) the AND, it is still (grammatically) there, the same way YOU is still the subject in imperatives, even though it is always omitted.
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One of the best tests of a coordinating conjunction is its non-reversible order. We frequently place subordinate clauses beginning with the subordinating conjunction before the main clause, such as:
Because the man overate, he developed a stomach ache.
Coordinating conjunctions cannot be reversed in this way; HOWEVER (!!!)
The word "then" is often used alone, when in reality, in proper usage, it is "AND then". AND is the coordinating conjunction with THEN remaining and adverb of time, indicating WHEN the action occurred.
So, (an incorrectly placed coordinating conjunction... sorry), examining your original sentence:
He opened the door, then the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’.
If we say,
He opened the door, AND then the lights came on, and everybody shouted.
We see that there are actually TWO independent clauses with AND as the coordinating conjunction, with THEN used properly as an adverb.
Hope this clears it up. Just because we don't say (or write) the AND, it is still (grammatically) there, the same way YOU is still the subject in imperatives, even though it is always omitted.
add a comment |
One of the best tests of a coordinating conjunction is its non-reversible order. We frequently place subordinate clauses beginning with the subordinating conjunction before the main clause, such as:
Because the man overate, he developed a stomach ache.
Coordinating conjunctions cannot be reversed in this way; HOWEVER (!!!)
The word "then" is often used alone, when in reality, in proper usage, it is "AND then". AND is the coordinating conjunction with THEN remaining and adverb of time, indicating WHEN the action occurred.
So, (an incorrectly placed coordinating conjunction... sorry), examining your original sentence:
He opened the door, then the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’.
If we say,
He opened the door, AND then the lights came on, and everybody shouted.
We see that there are actually TWO independent clauses with AND as the coordinating conjunction, with THEN used properly as an adverb.
Hope this clears it up. Just because we don't say (or write) the AND, it is still (grammatically) there, the same way YOU is still the subject in imperatives, even though it is always omitted.
One of the best tests of a coordinating conjunction is its non-reversible order. We frequently place subordinate clauses beginning with the subordinating conjunction before the main clause, such as:
Because the man overate, he developed a stomach ache.
Coordinating conjunctions cannot be reversed in this way; HOWEVER (!!!)
The word "then" is often used alone, when in reality, in proper usage, it is "AND then". AND is the coordinating conjunction with THEN remaining and adverb of time, indicating WHEN the action occurred.
So, (an incorrectly placed coordinating conjunction... sorry), examining your original sentence:
He opened the door, then the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’.
If we say,
He opened the door, AND then the lights came on, and everybody shouted.
We see that there are actually TWO independent clauses with AND as the coordinating conjunction, with THEN used properly as an adverb.
Hope this clears it up. Just because we don't say (or write) the AND, it is still (grammatically) there, the same way YOU is still the subject in imperatives, even though it is always omitted.
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The "part of speech" of a word describes the function that it has in a particular construction; but the same word can appear in different constructions. So there's no problem at all if then functions as an adverb in some constructions and as a coordinating conjunction in others.
One could argue, however, that then (when used as a coordinator) is prototypically subordinating, since the clause it modifies can have its subject omitted (linguists call this "subject pivot").
E.g.,
Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill.
Also note that the coordination places a semantic restriction on the two clauses: the first must refer to an earlier time (or metaphorically, to a logically prior state of affairs) than the second.
For example, the following sentence seems well-formed syntactically, but makes no sense.
?I forgot to do my homework, then Boniface reorganized the Frankish church.
This restriction will in some cases affect the possible grammatical tenses that can appear in the second clause, which is a good indicator of subordinating function:
*I will do my homework, then Boniface was about to reorganize the Frankish church.
+1, but I'm not convinced "then" is prototypically subordinating in constructions like "Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill." One can omit a subject in "then [he] started to feel ill" just as easily as one can omit it in "and [he] started to feel ill" in "Thomas ate three hams and [he] started to feel ill." This doesn't suggest that "and" is subordinating, does it? It's just parallelism on verbs, each of which conveys (roughly) equally important information. It seems very similar to "but" which is a conj connoting contrast. "Then" seems like a conj connoting temporal sequence.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 23:22
@Silenus fair enough.
– jlovegren
Nov 2 '16 at 1:18
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The "part of speech" of a word describes the function that it has in a particular construction; but the same word can appear in different constructions. So there's no problem at all if then functions as an adverb in some constructions and as a coordinating conjunction in others.
One could argue, however, that then (when used as a coordinator) is prototypically subordinating, since the clause it modifies can have its subject omitted (linguists call this "subject pivot").
E.g.,
Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill.
Also note that the coordination places a semantic restriction on the two clauses: the first must refer to an earlier time (or metaphorically, to a logically prior state of affairs) than the second.
For example, the following sentence seems well-formed syntactically, but makes no sense.
?I forgot to do my homework, then Boniface reorganized the Frankish church.
This restriction will in some cases affect the possible grammatical tenses that can appear in the second clause, which is a good indicator of subordinating function:
*I will do my homework, then Boniface was about to reorganize the Frankish church.
+1, but I'm not convinced "then" is prototypically subordinating in constructions like "Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill." One can omit a subject in "then [he] started to feel ill" just as easily as one can omit it in "and [he] started to feel ill" in "Thomas ate three hams and [he] started to feel ill." This doesn't suggest that "and" is subordinating, does it? It's just parallelism on verbs, each of which conveys (roughly) equally important information. It seems very similar to "but" which is a conj connoting contrast. "Then" seems like a conj connoting temporal sequence.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 23:22
@Silenus fair enough.
– jlovegren
Nov 2 '16 at 1:18
add a comment |
The "part of speech" of a word describes the function that it has in a particular construction; but the same word can appear in different constructions. So there's no problem at all if then functions as an adverb in some constructions and as a coordinating conjunction in others.
One could argue, however, that then (when used as a coordinator) is prototypically subordinating, since the clause it modifies can have its subject omitted (linguists call this "subject pivot").
E.g.,
Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill.
Also note that the coordination places a semantic restriction on the two clauses: the first must refer to an earlier time (or metaphorically, to a logically prior state of affairs) than the second.
For example, the following sentence seems well-formed syntactically, but makes no sense.
?I forgot to do my homework, then Boniface reorganized the Frankish church.
This restriction will in some cases affect the possible grammatical tenses that can appear in the second clause, which is a good indicator of subordinating function:
*I will do my homework, then Boniface was about to reorganize the Frankish church.
The "part of speech" of a word describes the function that it has in a particular construction; but the same word can appear in different constructions. So there's no problem at all if then functions as an adverb in some constructions and as a coordinating conjunction in others.
One could argue, however, that then (when used as a coordinator) is prototypically subordinating, since the clause it modifies can have its subject omitted (linguists call this "subject pivot").
E.g.,
Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill.
Also note that the coordination places a semantic restriction on the two clauses: the first must refer to an earlier time (or metaphorically, to a logically prior state of affairs) than the second.
For example, the following sentence seems well-formed syntactically, but makes no sense.
?I forgot to do my homework, then Boniface reorganized the Frankish church.
This restriction will in some cases affect the possible grammatical tenses that can appear in the second clause, which is a good indicator of subordinating function:
*I will do my homework, then Boniface was about to reorganize the Frankish church.
answered Nov 1 '16 at 22:08
jlovegren
11.9k12143
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+1, but I'm not convinced "then" is prototypically subordinating in constructions like "Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill." One can omit a subject in "then [he] started to feel ill" just as easily as one can omit it in "and [he] started to feel ill" in "Thomas ate three hams and [he] started to feel ill." This doesn't suggest that "and" is subordinating, does it? It's just parallelism on verbs, each of which conveys (roughly) equally important information. It seems very similar to "but" which is a conj connoting contrast. "Then" seems like a conj connoting temporal sequence.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 23:22
@Silenus fair enough.
– jlovegren
Nov 2 '16 at 1:18
add a comment |
+1, but I'm not convinced "then" is prototypically subordinating in constructions like "Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill." One can omit a subject in "then [he] started to feel ill" just as easily as one can omit it in "and [he] started to feel ill" in "Thomas ate three hams and [he] started to feel ill." This doesn't suggest that "and" is subordinating, does it? It's just parallelism on verbs, each of which conveys (roughly) equally important information. It seems very similar to "but" which is a conj connoting contrast. "Then" seems like a conj connoting temporal sequence.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 23:22
@Silenus fair enough.
– jlovegren
Nov 2 '16 at 1:18
+1, but I'm not convinced "then" is prototypically subordinating in constructions like "Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill." One can omit a subject in "then [he] started to feel ill" just as easily as one can omit it in "and [he] started to feel ill" in "Thomas ate three hams and [he] started to feel ill." This doesn't suggest that "and" is subordinating, does it? It's just parallelism on verbs, each of which conveys (roughly) equally important information. It seems very similar to "but" which is a conj connoting contrast. "Then" seems like a conj connoting temporal sequence.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 23:22
+1, but I'm not convinced "then" is prototypically subordinating in constructions like "Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill." One can omit a subject in "then [he] started to feel ill" just as easily as one can omit it in "and [he] started to feel ill" in "Thomas ate three hams and [he] started to feel ill." This doesn't suggest that "and" is subordinating, does it? It's just parallelism on verbs, each of which conveys (roughly) equally important information. It seems very similar to "but" which is a conj connoting contrast. "Then" seems like a conj connoting temporal sequence.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 23:22
@Silenus fair enough.
– jlovegren
Nov 2 '16 at 1:18
@Silenus fair enough.
– jlovegren
Nov 2 '16 at 1:18
add a comment |
This article from Think Map - Visual Thesaurus addresses this issue [the version here slightly reformatted and condensed]:
Do This, Then Do That: Coordinating "Then" Usage_ Erin Brenner
Recently in an online forum for editors, someone balked at then
being used as a coordinating conjunction, as in:
I went to high school, then I went to college.
Coordinating conjunctions, you'll recall, join two items of equal
status: two words of the same parts of speech, two phrases of the same
type (e.g. adverbial), or two clauses (independent or dependent).
And, or, and but are coordinating conjunctions.
Look around, though, and you'll see then used as a coordinating
conjunction with surprising frequency, even in professionally written
and edited copy:
Rub the beets with 1 tablespoon olive oil, then add them to the pan.—The New York Times, 2012
I popped the cup into the microwave, set it to nuke anything unfortunate enough to be caught within its grasp for thirty seconds,
then raided my fridge for sustenance.—Darynda Jones, Third Grave Dead
Ahead, 2012
Given that these examples ended up in print, we need to ask why no one
noticed the error.
Can then be used as a coordinating conjunction?
Defining Then
Then is commonly used as an adverb, adjective, or noun to indicate time:
Will you meet me then?
We contacted the then governor of Arkansas.
We'll meet again tomorrow; until then, review today's meeting notes.
Then is also used as an adverb to mean "besides," "in that case," and "therefore."
The American Heritage Dictionary was the only dictionary I found that
addresses the question of then as a conjunction:
<< Sticklers for grammar sometimes assert that then is not a
coordinating conjunction, and that the sentence She took a slice of
pie, then left is thus incorrect; it must be rewritten as She took a
slice of pie and then left, in which the then acts as an adverb and
the halves of the compound predicate are linked by the coordinating
conjunction and. But this use of then as a coordinating
conjunction is actually both widespread and widely accepted; in our
2012 survey, more than three quarters of the Usage Panel found the
sentence She took a slice of pie, then left completely acceptable.>>
The dictionary goes on to note that when then is used as
conjunction, a comma is needed before it, which is different from how
conjunctions like and function.
In 2012, I wrote about coordinating conjunctions and the criteria a
word currently needs to meet to be considered one....
Then doesn't meet the full criteria of a coordinating conjunction. Like so and yet, it can be paired with and, but, and or:
I walked to the bus stop, but then I decided to take the train.
I will study all day, and then I'll take a nap, or then I'll take a walk.
While then can't be modified, it can only join specific types of
clauses and the order of the clauses can't be switched, similar to
so and for:
I will bring a notebook, then a pen. ≠ I will bring a notebook and a pen.
I walked to the bus stop, then I decided to take the train. ≠ I decided to take the train, then I walked to the bus stop.
As I noted in my conjunction article, The Cambridge Grammar of the
English Language identifies so as 'like a conjunctive adverb, like
however', and for as 'similar to subordinating conjunctions, like because'. If I had to categorize then, I'd say it's more like because and for, because the order of the items is generally important.
Using then
Then doesn't meet the specifications for a coordinating conjunction, but we're using it that way anyway — in professionally published copy,
no less. As AHD points out, many of us don't notice or aren't bothered
by then as a coordinating conjunction in certain conditions.
So can you use it as one?
If the use of then complies with the criteria discussed, you'll be
in good company using it as a coordinating conjunction. If the usage
doesn't meet the criteria or your audience isn't accepting of such a
usage, you'd be wise to revise the sentence.
............
The 'if ... then ...' construction is, as far as I can see, always eligible for then-deletion.
add a comment |
This article from Think Map - Visual Thesaurus addresses this issue [the version here slightly reformatted and condensed]:
Do This, Then Do That: Coordinating "Then" Usage_ Erin Brenner
Recently in an online forum for editors, someone balked at then
being used as a coordinating conjunction, as in:
I went to high school, then I went to college.
Coordinating conjunctions, you'll recall, join two items of equal
status: two words of the same parts of speech, two phrases of the same
type (e.g. adverbial), or two clauses (independent or dependent).
And, or, and but are coordinating conjunctions.
Look around, though, and you'll see then used as a coordinating
conjunction with surprising frequency, even in professionally written
and edited copy:
Rub the beets with 1 tablespoon olive oil, then add them to the pan.—The New York Times, 2012
I popped the cup into the microwave, set it to nuke anything unfortunate enough to be caught within its grasp for thirty seconds,
then raided my fridge for sustenance.—Darynda Jones, Third Grave Dead
Ahead, 2012
Given that these examples ended up in print, we need to ask why no one
noticed the error.
Can then be used as a coordinating conjunction?
Defining Then
Then is commonly used as an adverb, adjective, or noun to indicate time:
Will you meet me then?
We contacted the then governor of Arkansas.
We'll meet again tomorrow; until then, review today's meeting notes.
Then is also used as an adverb to mean "besides," "in that case," and "therefore."
The American Heritage Dictionary was the only dictionary I found that
addresses the question of then as a conjunction:
<< Sticklers for grammar sometimes assert that then is not a
coordinating conjunction, and that the sentence She took a slice of
pie, then left is thus incorrect; it must be rewritten as She took a
slice of pie and then left, in which the then acts as an adverb and
the halves of the compound predicate are linked by the coordinating
conjunction and. But this use of then as a coordinating
conjunction is actually both widespread and widely accepted; in our
2012 survey, more than three quarters of the Usage Panel found the
sentence She took a slice of pie, then left completely acceptable.>>
The dictionary goes on to note that when then is used as
conjunction, a comma is needed before it, which is different from how
conjunctions like and function.
In 2012, I wrote about coordinating conjunctions and the criteria a
word currently needs to meet to be considered one....
Then doesn't meet the full criteria of a coordinating conjunction. Like so and yet, it can be paired with and, but, and or:
I walked to the bus stop, but then I decided to take the train.
I will study all day, and then I'll take a nap, or then I'll take a walk.
While then can't be modified, it can only join specific types of
clauses and the order of the clauses can't be switched, similar to
so and for:
I will bring a notebook, then a pen. ≠ I will bring a notebook and a pen.
I walked to the bus stop, then I decided to take the train. ≠ I decided to take the train, then I walked to the bus stop.
As I noted in my conjunction article, The Cambridge Grammar of the
English Language identifies so as 'like a conjunctive adverb, like
however', and for as 'similar to subordinating conjunctions, like because'. If I had to categorize then, I'd say it's more like because and for, because the order of the items is generally important.
Using then
Then doesn't meet the specifications for a coordinating conjunction, but we're using it that way anyway — in professionally published copy,
no less. As AHD points out, many of us don't notice or aren't bothered
by then as a coordinating conjunction in certain conditions.
So can you use it as one?
If the use of then complies with the criteria discussed, you'll be
in good company using it as a coordinating conjunction. If the usage
doesn't meet the criteria or your audience isn't accepting of such a
usage, you'd be wise to revise the sentence.
............
The 'if ... then ...' construction is, as far as I can see, always eligible for then-deletion.
add a comment |
This article from Think Map - Visual Thesaurus addresses this issue [the version here slightly reformatted and condensed]:
Do This, Then Do That: Coordinating "Then" Usage_ Erin Brenner
Recently in an online forum for editors, someone balked at then
being used as a coordinating conjunction, as in:
I went to high school, then I went to college.
Coordinating conjunctions, you'll recall, join two items of equal
status: two words of the same parts of speech, two phrases of the same
type (e.g. adverbial), or two clauses (independent or dependent).
And, or, and but are coordinating conjunctions.
Look around, though, and you'll see then used as a coordinating
conjunction with surprising frequency, even in professionally written
and edited copy:
Rub the beets with 1 tablespoon olive oil, then add them to the pan.—The New York Times, 2012
I popped the cup into the microwave, set it to nuke anything unfortunate enough to be caught within its grasp for thirty seconds,
then raided my fridge for sustenance.—Darynda Jones, Third Grave Dead
Ahead, 2012
Given that these examples ended up in print, we need to ask why no one
noticed the error.
Can then be used as a coordinating conjunction?
Defining Then
Then is commonly used as an adverb, adjective, or noun to indicate time:
Will you meet me then?
We contacted the then governor of Arkansas.
We'll meet again tomorrow; until then, review today's meeting notes.
Then is also used as an adverb to mean "besides," "in that case," and "therefore."
The American Heritage Dictionary was the only dictionary I found that
addresses the question of then as a conjunction:
<< Sticklers for grammar sometimes assert that then is not a
coordinating conjunction, and that the sentence She took a slice of
pie, then left is thus incorrect; it must be rewritten as She took a
slice of pie and then left, in which the then acts as an adverb and
the halves of the compound predicate are linked by the coordinating
conjunction and. But this use of then as a coordinating
conjunction is actually both widespread and widely accepted; in our
2012 survey, more than three quarters of the Usage Panel found the
sentence She took a slice of pie, then left completely acceptable.>>
The dictionary goes on to note that when then is used as
conjunction, a comma is needed before it, which is different from how
conjunctions like and function.
In 2012, I wrote about coordinating conjunctions and the criteria a
word currently needs to meet to be considered one....
Then doesn't meet the full criteria of a coordinating conjunction. Like so and yet, it can be paired with and, but, and or:
I walked to the bus stop, but then I decided to take the train.
I will study all day, and then I'll take a nap, or then I'll take a walk.
While then can't be modified, it can only join specific types of
clauses and the order of the clauses can't be switched, similar to
so and for:
I will bring a notebook, then a pen. ≠ I will bring a notebook and a pen.
I walked to the bus stop, then I decided to take the train. ≠ I decided to take the train, then I walked to the bus stop.
As I noted in my conjunction article, The Cambridge Grammar of the
English Language identifies so as 'like a conjunctive adverb, like
however', and for as 'similar to subordinating conjunctions, like because'. If I had to categorize then, I'd say it's more like because and for, because the order of the items is generally important.
Using then
Then doesn't meet the specifications for a coordinating conjunction, but we're using it that way anyway — in professionally published copy,
no less. As AHD points out, many of us don't notice or aren't bothered
by then as a coordinating conjunction in certain conditions.
So can you use it as one?
If the use of then complies with the criteria discussed, you'll be
in good company using it as a coordinating conjunction. If the usage
doesn't meet the criteria or your audience isn't accepting of such a
usage, you'd be wise to revise the sentence.
............
The 'if ... then ...' construction is, as far as I can see, always eligible for then-deletion.
This article from Think Map - Visual Thesaurus addresses this issue [the version here slightly reformatted and condensed]:
Do This, Then Do That: Coordinating "Then" Usage_ Erin Brenner
Recently in an online forum for editors, someone balked at then
being used as a coordinating conjunction, as in:
I went to high school, then I went to college.
Coordinating conjunctions, you'll recall, join two items of equal
status: two words of the same parts of speech, two phrases of the same
type (e.g. adverbial), or two clauses (independent or dependent).
And, or, and but are coordinating conjunctions.
Look around, though, and you'll see then used as a coordinating
conjunction with surprising frequency, even in professionally written
and edited copy:
Rub the beets with 1 tablespoon olive oil, then add them to the pan.—The New York Times, 2012
I popped the cup into the microwave, set it to nuke anything unfortunate enough to be caught within its grasp for thirty seconds,
then raided my fridge for sustenance.—Darynda Jones, Third Grave Dead
Ahead, 2012
Given that these examples ended up in print, we need to ask why no one
noticed the error.
Can then be used as a coordinating conjunction?
Defining Then
Then is commonly used as an adverb, adjective, or noun to indicate time:
Will you meet me then?
We contacted the then governor of Arkansas.
We'll meet again tomorrow; until then, review today's meeting notes.
Then is also used as an adverb to mean "besides," "in that case," and "therefore."
The American Heritage Dictionary was the only dictionary I found that
addresses the question of then as a conjunction:
<< Sticklers for grammar sometimes assert that then is not a
coordinating conjunction, and that the sentence She took a slice of
pie, then left is thus incorrect; it must be rewritten as She took a
slice of pie and then left, in which the then acts as an adverb and
the halves of the compound predicate are linked by the coordinating
conjunction and. But this use of then as a coordinating
conjunction is actually both widespread and widely accepted; in our
2012 survey, more than three quarters of the Usage Panel found the
sentence She took a slice of pie, then left completely acceptable.>>
The dictionary goes on to note that when then is used as
conjunction, a comma is needed before it, which is different from how
conjunctions like and function.
In 2012, I wrote about coordinating conjunctions and the criteria a
word currently needs to meet to be considered one....
Then doesn't meet the full criteria of a coordinating conjunction. Like so and yet, it can be paired with and, but, and or:
I walked to the bus stop, but then I decided to take the train.
I will study all day, and then I'll take a nap, or then I'll take a walk.
While then can't be modified, it can only join specific types of
clauses and the order of the clauses can't be switched, similar to
so and for:
I will bring a notebook, then a pen. ≠ I will bring a notebook and a pen.
I walked to the bus stop, then I decided to take the train. ≠ I decided to take the train, then I walked to the bus stop.
As I noted in my conjunction article, The Cambridge Grammar of the
English Language identifies so as 'like a conjunctive adverb, like
however', and for as 'similar to subordinating conjunctions, like because'. If I had to categorize then, I'd say it's more like because and for, because the order of the items is generally important.
Using then
Then doesn't meet the specifications for a coordinating conjunction, but we're using it that way anyway — in professionally published copy,
no less. As AHD points out, many of us don't notice or aren't bothered
by then as a coordinating conjunction in certain conditions.
So can you use it as one?
If the use of then complies with the criteria discussed, you'll be
in good company using it as a coordinating conjunction. If the usage
doesn't meet the criteria or your audience isn't accepting of such a
usage, you'd be wise to revise the sentence.
............
The 'if ... then ...' construction is, as far as I can see, always eligible for then-deletion.
edited Nov 2 '16 at 0:11
answered Nov 1 '16 at 23:49
Edwin Ashworth
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In The Syntactic Phenomena of English, McCawley proposes Ross's CSC (Coordinate Structure Constraint) as test for whether a two part structure is coordinate. If a constituent cannot be extracted from just one part without being extracted from both parts, we classify it as coordinate, because it is subject to the CSC. Otherwise, if it is not subject to this constraint, it is not a coordinate structure.
For instance, from
You bought something for Joyce, and devoured it. What was it?
by extracting both objects, we get
What did you buy for Joyce and devour?
but not
*What did you buy for Joyce and devour it?
Therefore, "and" is coordinate. Let's try it with "then".
You bought something for Joyce, then devoured it. What was it?
*What did you buy for Joyce then devour it?
??What did you buy for Joyce then devour?
I conclude that "then" is coordinate (at least sometimes).
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In The Syntactic Phenomena of English, McCawley proposes Ross's CSC (Coordinate Structure Constraint) as test for whether a two part structure is coordinate. If a constituent cannot be extracted from just one part without being extracted from both parts, we classify it as coordinate, because it is subject to the CSC. Otherwise, if it is not subject to this constraint, it is not a coordinate structure.
For instance, from
You bought something for Joyce, and devoured it. What was it?
by extracting both objects, we get
What did you buy for Joyce and devour?
but not
*What did you buy for Joyce and devour it?
Therefore, "and" is coordinate. Let's try it with "then".
You bought something for Joyce, then devoured it. What was it?
*What did you buy for Joyce then devour it?
??What did you buy for Joyce then devour?
I conclude that "then" is coordinate (at least sometimes).
add a comment |
In The Syntactic Phenomena of English, McCawley proposes Ross's CSC (Coordinate Structure Constraint) as test for whether a two part structure is coordinate. If a constituent cannot be extracted from just one part without being extracted from both parts, we classify it as coordinate, because it is subject to the CSC. Otherwise, if it is not subject to this constraint, it is not a coordinate structure.
For instance, from
You bought something for Joyce, and devoured it. What was it?
by extracting both objects, we get
What did you buy for Joyce and devour?
but not
*What did you buy for Joyce and devour it?
Therefore, "and" is coordinate. Let's try it with "then".
You bought something for Joyce, then devoured it. What was it?
*What did you buy for Joyce then devour it?
??What did you buy for Joyce then devour?
I conclude that "then" is coordinate (at least sometimes).
In The Syntactic Phenomena of English, McCawley proposes Ross's CSC (Coordinate Structure Constraint) as test for whether a two part structure is coordinate. If a constituent cannot be extracted from just one part without being extracted from both parts, we classify it as coordinate, because it is subject to the CSC. Otherwise, if it is not subject to this constraint, it is not a coordinate structure.
For instance, from
You bought something for Joyce, and devoured it. What was it?
by extracting both objects, we get
What did you buy for Joyce and devour?
but not
*What did you buy for Joyce and devour it?
Therefore, "and" is coordinate. Let's try it with "then".
You bought something for Joyce, then devoured it. What was it?
*What did you buy for Joyce then devour it?
??What did you buy for Joyce then devour?
I conclude that "then" is coordinate (at least sometimes).
edited Nov 2 '16 at 1:02
answered Nov 2 '16 at 0:48
Greg Lee
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In fiction writing, using 'then' as a conjunction seems fairly standard nowadays. The only issue I see is that you are almost compelled to use a comma in a simple sentence with compound predicate, whereas with 'and' you wouldn't use the comma.
Example: We went to a restaurant and saw a movie.
We went to a restaurant, then saw a movie.
Without the comma in the second example would lead to confusion (the possible meaning could be 'we went to a restaurant at that moment').
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In fiction writing, using 'then' as a conjunction seems fairly standard nowadays. The only issue I see is that you are almost compelled to use a comma in a simple sentence with compound predicate, whereas with 'and' you wouldn't use the comma.
Example: We went to a restaurant and saw a movie.
We went to a restaurant, then saw a movie.
Without the comma in the second example would lead to confusion (the possible meaning could be 'we went to a restaurant at that moment').
1
Hi Beekins, welcome to English Language & Usage. If you think you might use our site again (and I hope you do!), please make sure you take the Tour. :-)
– Chappo
Aug 3 at 8:31
add a comment |
In fiction writing, using 'then' as a conjunction seems fairly standard nowadays. The only issue I see is that you are almost compelled to use a comma in a simple sentence with compound predicate, whereas with 'and' you wouldn't use the comma.
Example: We went to a restaurant and saw a movie.
We went to a restaurant, then saw a movie.
Without the comma in the second example would lead to confusion (the possible meaning could be 'we went to a restaurant at that moment').
In fiction writing, using 'then' as a conjunction seems fairly standard nowadays. The only issue I see is that you are almost compelled to use a comma in a simple sentence with compound predicate, whereas with 'and' you wouldn't use the comma.
Example: We went to a restaurant and saw a movie.
We went to a restaurant, then saw a movie.
Without the comma in the second example would lead to confusion (the possible meaning could be 'we went to a restaurant at that moment').
answered Aug 3 at 7:35
Beekins
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This page seems relevant: grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conjunctions.htm
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:04
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"He opened the door, the lights came on and everybody shouted, ‘Happy Birthday’" is a compound sentence according to the Oxford Essential Guide to Writing. Regarding "If... then..." sentences it is perfectly fine to leave out the "then". The meaning does not change.
– Silenus
Nov 1 '16 at 22:06
@Silenus Thank you for the link and comment. I have read the page on the link you gave and according that website using the word then in this way is comma splice. So do you think the example sentence on Cambridge Dictionary is a comma splice? They could make mistakes too?
– Mrt
Nov 1 '16 at 22:26
The essential meaning of then is temporal - 'at that moment' (OED). As a conjunction it's often redundant - I got home then I phoned my friend and then I made a drink. Best used when fixing a moment - ...*it was then that I realised*..., Thomas ate three hams, then started to feel ill...
– Dan
Nov 1 '16 at 22:55
@Mrt No, it's not a coordinator. It's being used anaphorically here and has a temporal meaning. It belongs to the category adverb (in trad grammar) or preposition (in some modern grammars). Its function is that of adjunct. Sometimes "then" refers not to the same time as that of its antecedent, but to a time closely following it, and that is what's happening here where we understand it to mean "after that". The fact that it would be possible to add the coordinator "and" to give "and then the lights came on" is proof of all this, since it is not possible to have two consecutive coordinators.
– BillJ
Nov 2 '16 at 10:59