How do spell scrolls interact with warlock invocations?












13












$begingroup$


When creating a Spell Scroll using the rules from XGtE (p.133), if the spell is a cantrip the scroll is cast as if the caster were first level.
If a Warlock with, say, Agonizing Blast were to scribe a scroll of Eldritch Blast, and have it used by another Warlock with Repelling Blast, would either invocation take effect?



Effectively: Is an invocation a property of the spell when being cast, or of the Warlock casting it?






dnd-5e spells magic-items warlock eldritch-invocations







share|improve this question











$endgroup$












  • $begingroup$
    Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
    $endgroup$
    – Sdjz
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
    $endgroup$
    – SeriousBri
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
    $endgroup$
    – Fifth_H0r5eman
    yesterday
















13












$begingroup$


When creating a Spell Scroll using the rules from XGtE (p.133), if the spell is a cantrip the scroll is cast as if the caster were first level.
If a Warlock with, say, Agonizing Blast were to scribe a scroll of Eldritch Blast, and have it used by another Warlock with Repelling Blast, would either invocation take effect?



Effectively: Is an invocation a property of the spell when being cast, or of the Warlock casting it?






dnd-5e spells magic-items warlock eldritch-invocations







share|improve this question











$endgroup$












  • $begingroup$
    Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
    $endgroup$
    – Sdjz
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
    $endgroup$
    – SeriousBri
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
    $endgroup$
    – Fifth_H0r5eman
    yesterday














13












13








13





$begingroup$


When creating a Spell Scroll using the rules from XGtE (p.133), if the spell is a cantrip the scroll is cast as if the caster were first level.
If a Warlock with, say, Agonizing Blast were to scribe a scroll of Eldritch Blast, and have it used by another Warlock with Repelling Blast, would either invocation take effect?



Effectively: Is an invocation a property of the spell when being cast, or of the Warlock casting it?






dnd-5e spells magic-items warlock eldritch-invocations







share|improve this question











$endgroup$




When creating a Spell Scroll using the rules from XGtE (p.133), if the spell is a cantrip the scroll is cast as if the caster were first level.
If a Warlock with, say, Agonizing Blast were to scribe a scroll of Eldritch Blast, and have it used by another Warlock with Repelling Blast, would either invocation take effect?



Effectively: Is an invocation a property of the spell when being cast, or of the Warlock casting it?






dnd-5e spells magic-items warlock eldritch-invocations




dnd-5e spells magic-items warlock eldritch-invocations






share|improve this question















share|improve this question













share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited yesterday









Rubiksmoose

52.8k8259398




52.8k8259398










asked yesterday









Fifth_H0r5emanFifth_H0r5eman

3591310




3591310












  • $begingroup$
    Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
    $endgroup$
    – Sdjz
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
    $endgroup$
    – SeriousBri
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
    $endgroup$
    – Fifth_H0r5eman
    yesterday


















  • $begingroup$
    Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
    $endgroup$
    – Sdjz
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
    $endgroup$
    – SeriousBri
    yesterday






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
    $endgroup$
    – Fifth_H0r5eman
    yesterday
















$begingroup$
Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
$endgroup$
– Sdjz
yesterday




$begingroup$
Related: Can a sorcerer use metamagic when casting a spell via a spell scroll?
$endgroup$
– Sdjz
yesterday




1




1




$begingroup$
Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
$endgroup$
– SeriousBri
yesterday




$begingroup$
Having had to sell your soul for that invocation, why on earth would you write it down to hand to someone else?
$endgroup$
– SeriousBri
yesterday




1




1




$begingroup$
@SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
$endgroup$
– Fifth_H0r5eman
yesterday




$begingroup$
@SeriousBri, Perhaps someone was willing to sell me their newer, shinier soul in turn? A bit of wheeling and dealing never hurt
$endgroup$
– Fifth_H0r5eman
yesterday










1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes


















14












$begingroup$

An invocation is part of the caster, not the spell




In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability. 




Invocations are abilities granted to the caster themself and, being not part of the actual spell, cannot be scribed onto a scroll.



Put another, more mechanical, way: warlock invocations modify the effects of spells after casting. They don't modify the spell being cast.



For example agonizing blast says:




When you cast eldritch blast, add your Charisma modifier to the damage it deals on a hit.




and repelling blast says:




When you hit a creature with eldritch blast, you can push the creature up to 10 feet away from you in a straight line.




Note the effects of these invocations only take effect after a spell is cast. Scribing a scroll is not casting it in any way.



If a warlock cast eldritch blast from a scroll and had this (or any applicable) invocation, they would be able to enhance it like normal even though nothing was different about the scroll they cast from.



Your example



Warlock A (who has agonizing blast) scribes a scroll of eldritch blast. That scroll results in a completely normal 1st level scroll of eldritch blast (devoid of any invocation effects). When warlock B (who has repelling blast) casts the spell from the scroll, any invocations that are applicable (that Warlock B has) would apply to the casting. Casting from a scroll is still casting the spell and it is treated as if it was cast normally.



Invocations, narratively and mechanically are not part of the spell, they are part of the caster.






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$













    Your Answer





    StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
    return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
    StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
    StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["\$", "\$"]]);
    });
    });
    }, "mathjax-editing");

    StackExchange.ready(function() {
    var channelOptions = {
    tags: "".split(" "),
    id: "122"
    };
    initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

    StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
    // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
    if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
    StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
    createEditor();
    });
    }
    else {
    createEditor();
    }
    });

    function createEditor() {
    StackExchange.prepareEditor({
    heartbeatType: 'answer',
    autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
    convertImagesToLinks: false,
    noModals: true,
    showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
    reputationToPostImages: null,
    bindNavPrevention: true,
    postfix: "",
    imageUploader: {
    brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
    contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
    allowUrls: true
    },
    noCode: true, onDemand: true,
    discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
    ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
    });


    }
    });














    draft saved

    draft discarded


















    StackExchange.ready(
    function () {
    StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f140182%2fhow-do-spell-scrolls-interact-with-warlock-invocations%23new-answer', 'question_page');
    }
    );

    Post as a guest















    Required, but never shown

























    1 Answer
    1






    active

    oldest

    votes








    1 Answer
    1






    active

    oldest

    votes









    active

    oldest

    votes






    active

    oldest

    votes









    14












    $begingroup$

    An invocation is part of the caster, not the spell




    In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability. 




    Invocations are abilities granted to the caster themself and, being not part of the actual spell, cannot be scribed onto a scroll.



    Put another, more mechanical, way: warlock invocations modify the effects of spells after casting. They don't modify the spell being cast.



    For example agonizing blast says:




    When you cast eldritch blast, add your Charisma modifier to the damage it deals on a hit.




    and repelling blast says:




    When you hit a creature with eldritch blast, you can push the creature up to 10 feet away from you in a straight line.




    Note the effects of these invocations only take effect after a spell is cast. Scribing a scroll is not casting it in any way.



    If a warlock cast eldritch blast from a scroll and had this (or any applicable) invocation, they would be able to enhance it like normal even though nothing was different about the scroll they cast from.



    Your example



    Warlock A (who has agonizing blast) scribes a scroll of eldritch blast. That scroll results in a completely normal 1st level scroll of eldritch blast (devoid of any invocation effects). When warlock B (who has repelling blast) casts the spell from the scroll, any invocations that are applicable (that Warlock B has) would apply to the casting. Casting from a scroll is still casting the spell and it is treated as if it was cast normally.



    Invocations, narratively and mechanically are not part of the spell, they are part of the caster.






    share|improve this answer











    $endgroup$


















      14












      $begingroup$

      An invocation is part of the caster, not the spell




      In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability. 




      Invocations are abilities granted to the caster themself and, being not part of the actual spell, cannot be scribed onto a scroll.



      Put another, more mechanical, way: warlock invocations modify the effects of spells after casting. They don't modify the spell being cast.



      For example agonizing blast says:




      When you cast eldritch blast, add your Charisma modifier to the damage it deals on a hit.




      and repelling blast says:




      When you hit a creature with eldritch blast, you can push the creature up to 10 feet away from you in a straight line.




      Note the effects of these invocations only take effect after a spell is cast. Scribing a scroll is not casting it in any way.



      If a warlock cast eldritch blast from a scroll and had this (or any applicable) invocation, they would be able to enhance it like normal even though nothing was different about the scroll they cast from.



      Your example



      Warlock A (who has agonizing blast) scribes a scroll of eldritch blast. That scroll results in a completely normal 1st level scroll of eldritch blast (devoid of any invocation effects). When warlock B (who has repelling blast) casts the spell from the scroll, any invocations that are applicable (that Warlock B has) would apply to the casting. Casting from a scroll is still casting the spell and it is treated as if it was cast normally.



      Invocations, narratively and mechanically are not part of the spell, they are part of the caster.






      share|improve this answer











      $endgroup$
















        14












        14








        14





        $begingroup$

        An invocation is part of the caster, not the spell




        In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability. 




        Invocations are abilities granted to the caster themself and, being not part of the actual spell, cannot be scribed onto a scroll.



        Put another, more mechanical, way: warlock invocations modify the effects of spells after casting. They don't modify the spell being cast.



        For example agonizing blast says:




        When you cast eldritch blast, add your Charisma modifier to the damage it deals on a hit.




        and repelling blast says:




        When you hit a creature with eldritch blast, you can push the creature up to 10 feet away from you in a straight line.




        Note the effects of these invocations only take effect after a spell is cast. Scribing a scroll is not casting it in any way.



        If a warlock cast eldritch blast from a scroll and had this (or any applicable) invocation, they would be able to enhance it like normal even though nothing was different about the scroll they cast from.



        Your example



        Warlock A (who has agonizing blast) scribes a scroll of eldritch blast. That scroll results in a completely normal 1st level scroll of eldritch blast (devoid of any invocation effects). When warlock B (who has repelling blast) casts the spell from the scroll, any invocations that are applicable (that Warlock B has) would apply to the casting. Casting from a scroll is still casting the spell and it is treated as if it was cast normally.



        Invocations, narratively and mechanically are not part of the spell, they are part of the caster.






        share|improve this answer











        $endgroup$



        An invocation is part of the caster, not the spell




        In your study of occult lore, you have unearthed eldritch invocations, fragments of forbidden knowledge that imbue you with an abiding magical ability. 




        Invocations are abilities granted to the caster themself and, being not part of the actual spell, cannot be scribed onto a scroll.



        Put another, more mechanical, way: warlock invocations modify the effects of spells after casting. They don't modify the spell being cast.



        For example agonizing blast says:




        When you cast eldritch blast, add your Charisma modifier to the damage it deals on a hit.




        and repelling blast says:




        When you hit a creature with eldritch blast, you can push the creature up to 10 feet away from you in a straight line.




        Note the effects of these invocations only take effect after a spell is cast. Scribing a scroll is not casting it in any way.



        If a warlock cast eldritch blast from a scroll and had this (or any applicable) invocation, they would be able to enhance it like normal even though nothing was different about the scroll they cast from.



        Your example



        Warlock A (who has agonizing blast) scribes a scroll of eldritch blast. That scroll results in a completely normal 1st level scroll of eldritch blast (devoid of any invocation effects). When warlock B (who has repelling blast) casts the spell from the scroll, any invocations that are applicable (that Warlock B has) would apply to the casting. Casting from a scroll is still casting the spell and it is treated as if it was cast normally.



        Invocations, narratively and mechanically are not part of the spell, they are part of the caster.







        share|improve this answer














        share|improve this answer



        share|improve this answer








        edited yesterday

























        answered yesterday









        RubiksmooseRubiksmoose

        52.8k8259398




        52.8k8259398






























            draft saved

            draft discarded




















































            Thanks for contributing an answer to Role-playing Games Stack Exchange!


            • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

            But avoid …



            • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

            • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


            Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


            To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




            draft saved


            draft discarded














            StackExchange.ready(
            function () {
            StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f140182%2fhow-do-spell-scrolls-interact-with-warlock-invocations%23new-answer', 'question_page');
            }
            );

            Post as a guest















            Required, but never shown





















































            Required, but never shown














            Required, but never shown












            Required, but never shown







            Required, but never shown

































            Required, but never shown














            Required, but never shown












            Required, but never shown







            Required, but never shown







            -

            Popular posts from this blog

            If I really need a card on my start hand, how many mulligans make sense? [duplicate]

            Image
            5 This question already has an answer here: How do you calculate the likelihood of drawing certain cards in your opening hand? 3 answers There is a funny modern deck where you play Treasure Hunt, but you really need to have it on the starting hand. How many mulligans should I take, if my deck contains 60 cards and contains 4 copies of Treasure Hunt? magic-the-gathering probability share | improve this question asked Nov 23 '18 at 12:12 dan dan 152 4
            Read more

            Alcedinidae

            Image
            Alcedinidae Martin-pêcheur à dos bleu ( Alcedo azurea ) Classification (COI) Règne Animalia Embranchement Chordata Sous-embr. Vertebrata Classe Aves Ordre Coraciiformes Famille Alcedinidae Rafinesque, 1815 Les Alcédinidés ou Alcedinidae forment une famille d'oiseaux plus connus sous les noms de martins-pêcheurs et martins-chasseurs. Sommaire 1 Description 2 Répartition et habitat 3 Systématique 3.1 Liste alphabétique des genres 3.2 Liste des espèces 4 Chez les Anciens : l'alcyon 4.1 Étymologie (Littré) 4.2 Oiseau « fabuleux » ? 5 Notes 6 Articles connexes 7 Liens externes 7.1 Bibliographie Description | Ce sont des oiseaux compacts de taille petite à moyenne (10 à 46 cm), au bec droit et long, en forme de poignard. Leurs pattes sont courtes, et ils portent un plumage aux couleurs vives. Répartition et habitat | Cosmopolites, ils fréquentent surtout
            Read more

            Can an atomic nucleus contain both particles and antiparticles? [duplicate]

            Image
            9 $begingroup$ This question already has an answer here: What happens if we put together a proton and an antineutron? 2 answers Is it theoretically possible to make a "deuterium" atom containing a proton and an antineutron in its nucleus? Would the strong nuclear force cause attraction between a proton and an antineutron? Would such a nucleus be stable, or would the proton somehow annihilate the antineutron when close enough? nuclear-physics antimatter share | cite | improve this question asked yesterday
            Read more