What meaning of/phrase based on the verb to call is used in “I call [noun]” (for instance bull****) and...












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Sometimes you hear people say something like "I call [noun]", mostly with bullshit ("I call bullshit"; and there's also a question on the site with shenanigans). It feels like an opinionated statement about a situation but I don't find it clear whether this is based on to call someone/something out, on to make a call (like when a referee makes a call in sports), on the idea that the person is naming (calling) what they see something (I call that (thing I'm seeing) [noun]) or even on the idea that someone is speaking their mind bluntly about something (maybe subsuming the expression call it as one sees it?).



Of course things like bullshit or white trashery are noncount whereas shenanigans is seemingly almost exclusively used in the plural form except when modifying a plural noun (for instance shenanigan tactics) or when identifying a list of things which might be called shenanigans (for instance shenanigan no 1). In so many words it's not clear whether the plural form used with "I call" is plural because it's mostly used in the plural form or because the construction is idiomatic with the plural form. So with a countable noun I wouldn't know for instance whether I should say "I call (a) double standard/standards" or if using an article with the singular form would make this ambiguous as if the expression was in fact the head of a sentence about some personal definition of a term (I call a double standard something that...).




  • What meaning of (or phrase based on) to call is used in "I
    call [noun]"? Is it useful to ascertain that or do you see each
    example as a set construction with a noun that is not
    really related to the core meaning of the verb: if so what does "I
    call bullshit" mean?

  • When the noun is countable, which of the singular or the plural form
    is more idiomatic and if it's used with the singular, is a determiner
    required/possible; or is it just about usage: if so do you consider "I call double standard", "I call a double standard" and "I call double standards" equally idiomatic?










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  • There is no rule. Just pretend the thing called is an interjection in quotation mark. Sometimes you call a singular thing, and sometimes you call a plural thing. Whatever you would say if you were just shouting the thing is what you say you are "calling." In other words, translate "I call X" as "I would be shouting 'X' as a retort if the circumstances permitted."

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  • @remarkl Is what you refer to some kind of sum of parts analysis?

    – Jurgfeyce Hinn
    8 hours ago











  • @JugfeyceHinn I don't know how to answer that. All I can say is that I think you are over-analyzing. The construction "I call [noun] on" equals "I attach the label '[noun' to." Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. I call double standard on that critique, but I call apples and oranges on that comparison. There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.

    – remarkl
    2 hours ago











  • @remarkl I understand, thanks, the over-analyzing is most likely a side effect from not being a native speaker and focusing too much on the verb and splicing it all. I note both you and TRomano discuss this idea of the label. Food for thought... Please make an answer if you consider what you say to be different from what TRomano said.

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Sometimes you hear people say something like "I call [noun]", mostly with bullshit ("I call bullshit"; and there's also a question on the site with shenanigans). It feels like an opinionated statement about a situation but I don't find it clear whether this is based on to call someone/something out, on to make a call (like when a referee makes a call in sports), on the idea that the person is naming (calling) what they see something (I call that (thing I'm seeing) [noun]) or even on the idea that someone is speaking their mind bluntly about something (maybe subsuming the expression call it as one sees it?).



Of course things like bullshit or white trashery are noncount whereas shenanigans is seemingly almost exclusively used in the plural form except when modifying a plural noun (for instance shenanigan tactics) or when identifying a list of things which might be called shenanigans (for instance shenanigan no 1). In so many words it's not clear whether the plural form used with "I call" is plural because it's mostly used in the plural form or because the construction is idiomatic with the plural form. So with a countable noun I wouldn't know for instance whether I should say "I call (a) double standard/standards" or if using an article with the singular form would make this ambiguous as if the expression was in fact the head of a sentence about some personal definition of a term (I call a double standard something that...).




  • What meaning of (or phrase based on) to call is used in "I
    call [noun]"? Is it useful to ascertain that or do you see each
    example as a set construction with a noun that is not
    really related to the core meaning of the verb: if so what does "I
    call bullshit" mean?

  • When the noun is countable, which of the singular or the plural form
    is more idiomatic and if it's used with the singular, is a determiner
    required/possible; or is it just about usage: if so do you consider "I call double standard", "I call a double standard" and "I call double standards" equally idiomatic?










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  • There is no rule. Just pretend the thing called is an interjection in quotation mark. Sometimes you call a singular thing, and sometimes you call a plural thing. Whatever you would say if you were just shouting the thing is what you say you are "calling." In other words, translate "I call X" as "I would be shouting 'X' as a retort if the circumstances permitted."

    – remarkl
    8 hours ago













  • @remarkl Is what you refer to some kind of sum of parts analysis?

    – Jurgfeyce Hinn
    8 hours ago











  • @JugfeyceHinn I don't know how to answer that. All I can say is that I think you are over-analyzing. The construction "I call [noun] on" equals "I attach the label '[noun' to." Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. I call double standard on that critique, but I call apples and oranges on that comparison. There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.

    – remarkl
    2 hours ago











  • @remarkl I understand, thanks, the over-analyzing is most likely a side effect from not being a native speaker and focusing too much on the verb and splicing it all. I note both you and TRomano discuss this idea of the label. Food for thought... Please make an answer if you consider what you say to be different from what TRomano said.

    – Jurgfeyce Hinn
    2 hours ago
















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Sometimes you hear people say something like "I call [noun]", mostly with bullshit ("I call bullshit"; and there's also a question on the site with shenanigans). It feels like an opinionated statement about a situation but I don't find it clear whether this is based on to call someone/something out, on to make a call (like when a referee makes a call in sports), on the idea that the person is naming (calling) what they see something (I call that (thing I'm seeing) [noun]) or even on the idea that someone is speaking their mind bluntly about something (maybe subsuming the expression call it as one sees it?).



Of course things like bullshit or white trashery are noncount whereas shenanigans is seemingly almost exclusively used in the plural form except when modifying a plural noun (for instance shenanigan tactics) or when identifying a list of things which might be called shenanigans (for instance shenanigan no 1). In so many words it's not clear whether the plural form used with "I call" is plural because it's mostly used in the plural form or because the construction is idiomatic with the plural form. So with a countable noun I wouldn't know for instance whether I should say "I call (a) double standard/standards" or if using an article with the singular form would make this ambiguous as if the expression was in fact the head of a sentence about some personal definition of a term (I call a double standard something that...).




  • What meaning of (or phrase based on) to call is used in "I
    call [noun]"? Is it useful to ascertain that or do you see each
    example as a set construction with a noun that is not
    really related to the core meaning of the verb: if so what does "I
    call bullshit" mean?

  • When the noun is countable, which of the singular or the plural form
    is more idiomatic and if it's used with the singular, is a determiner
    required/possible; or is it just about usage: if so do you consider "I call double standard", "I call a double standard" and "I call double standards" equally idiomatic?










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Sometimes you hear people say something like "I call [noun]", mostly with bullshit ("I call bullshit"; and there's also a question on the site with shenanigans). It feels like an opinionated statement about a situation but I don't find it clear whether this is based on to call someone/something out, on to make a call (like when a referee makes a call in sports), on the idea that the person is naming (calling) what they see something (I call that (thing I'm seeing) [noun]) or even on the idea that someone is speaking their mind bluntly about something (maybe subsuming the expression call it as one sees it?).



Of course things like bullshit or white trashery are noncount whereas shenanigans is seemingly almost exclusively used in the plural form except when modifying a plural noun (for instance shenanigan tactics) or when identifying a list of things which might be called shenanigans (for instance shenanigan no 1). In so many words it's not clear whether the plural form used with "I call" is plural because it's mostly used in the plural form or because the construction is idiomatic with the plural form. So with a countable noun I wouldn't know for instance whether I should say "I call (a) double standard/standards" or if using an article with the singular form would make this ambiguous as if the expression was in fact the head of a sentence about some personal definition of a term (I call a double standard something that...).




  • What meaning of (or phrase based on) to call is used in "I
    call [noun]"? Is it useful to ascertain that or do you see each
    example as a set construction with a noun that is not
    really related to the core meaning of the verb: if so what does "I
    call bullshit" mean?

  • When the noun is countable, which of the singular or the plural form
    is more idiomatic and if it's used with the singular, is a determiner
    required/possible; or is it just about usage: if so do you consider "I call double standard", "I call a double standard" and "I call double standards" equally idiomatic?







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  • There is no rule. Just pretend the thing called is an interjection in quotation mark. Sometimes you call a singular thing, and sometimes you call a plural thing. Whatever you would say if you were just shouting the thing is what you say you are "calling." In other words, translate "I call X" as "I would be shouting 'X' as a retort if the circumstances permitted."

    – remarkl
    8 hours ago













  • @remarkl Is what you refer to some kind of sum of parts analysis?

    – Jurgfeyce Hinn
    8 hours ago











  • @JugfeyceHinn I don't know how to answer that. All I can say is that I think you are over-analyzing. The construction "I call [noun] on" equals "I attach the label '[noun' to." Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. I call double standard on that critique, but I call apples and oranges on that comparison. There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.

    – remarkl
    2 hours ago











  • @remarkl I understand, thanks, the over-analyzing is most likely a side effect from not being a native speaker and focusing too much on the verb and splicing it all. I note both you and TRomano discuss this idea of the label. Food for thought... Please make an answer if you consider what you say to be different from what TRomano said.

    – Jurgfeyce Hinn
    2 hours ago





















  • There is no rule. Just pretend the thing called is an interjection in quotation mark. Sometimes you call a singular thing, and sometimes you call a plural thing. Whatever you would say if you were just shouting the thing is what you say you are "calling." In other words, translate "I call X" as "I would be shouting 'X' as a retort if the circumstances permitted."

    – remarkl
    8 hours ago













  • @remarkl Is what you refer to some kind of sum of parts analysis?

    – Jurgfeyce Hinn
    8 hours ago











  • @JugfeyceHinn I don't know how to answer that. All I can say is that I think you are over-analyzing. The construction "I call [noun] on" equals "I attach the label '[noun' to." Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. I call double standard on that critique, but I call apples and oranges on that comparison. There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.

    – remarkl
    2 hours ago











  • @remarkl I understand, thanks, the over-analyzing is most likely a side effect from not being a native speaker and focusing too much on the verb and splicing it all. I note both you and TRomano discuss this idea of the label. Food for thought... Please make an answer if you consider what you say to be different from what TRomano said.

    – Jurgfeyce Hinn
    2 hours ago



















There is no rule. Just pretend the thing called is an interjection in quotation mark. Sometimes you call a singular thing, and sometimes you call a plural thing. Whatever you would say if you were just shouting the thing is what you say you are "calling." In other words, translate "I call X" as "I would be shouting 'X' as a retort if the circumstances permitted."

– remarkl
8 hours ago







There is no rule. Just pretend the thing called is an interjection in quotation mark. Sometimes you call a singular thing, and sometimes you call a plural thing. Whatever you would say if you were just shouting the thing is what you say you are "calling." In other words, translate "I call X" as "I would be shouting 'X' as a retort if the circumstances permitted."

– remarkl
8 hours ago















@remarkl Is what you refer to some kind of sum of parts analysis?

– Jurgfeyce Hinn
8 hours ago





@remarkl Is what you refer to some kind of sum of parts analysis?

– Jurgfeyce Hinn
8 hours ago













@JugfeyceHinn I don't know how to answer that. All I can say is that I think you are over-analyzing. The construction "I call [noun] on" equals "I attach the label '[noun' to." Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. I call double standard on that critique, but I call apples and oranges on that comparison. There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.

– remarkl
2 hours ago





@JugfeyceHinn I don't know how to answer that. All I can say is that I think you are over-analyzing. The construction "I call [noun] on" equals "I attach the label '[noun' to." Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. I call double standard on that critique, but I call apples and oranges on that comparison. There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.

– remarkl
2 hours ago













@remarkl I understand, thanks, the over-analyzing is most likely a side effect from not being a native speaker and focusing too much on the verb and splicing it all. I note both you and TRomano discuss this idea of the label. Food for thought... Please make an answer if you consider what you say to be different from what TRomano said.

– Jurgfeyce Hinn
2 hours ago







@remarkl I understand, thanks, the over-analyzing is most likely a side effect from not being a native speaker and focusing too much on the verb and splicing it all. I note both you and TRomano discuss this idea of the label. Food for thought... Please make an answer if you consider what you say to be different from what TRomano said.

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To call in that usage means to announce a judgment on a particular action or circumstance, as one who is formally or informally recognized as having the authority to render such judgments in the domain in question.




I call foul!



The referee called the play dead.




The first example might be heard in an informal "pickup" (i.e. impromptu) game with no referee, where the player is recognized as having the "authority" to say that he has been fouled by another player.



The second example refers to a person, the referee, who is empowered to make such judgments.



The phrase can be used in circumstances not involving a game, treating those circumstances as if game rules applied to them, or at least wishing they did.



Perhaps something shouted by Mikey's younger brother whom Mikey is tormenting:




Mom! Mikey's says he is going to eat the last cookie which I was saving for my lunch tomorrow. I call foul!




In phrases like "I call bullshit" the speaker is being facetious and acting as if he is in the role of referee, and a violation of the Bullshit Rule has occurred.






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  • Thank you! Does your answer mean that nouns in that usage have some adjectival quality, should I read in that this would make the singular form of the countable nouns better suited for this usage?

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  • The single nouns in this usage (I call bullshit!) are a kind of shorthand, where the noun-label refers to a particular infraction.

    – TRomano
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  • A similar use of call is "I call time!" as a way to invoke a time out in an impromptu. informal game.

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The construction



I call [noun] on


equals



I attach the label '[noun]' to.


Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. Thus:



I call double standard on that critique


but



I call apples and oranges on that comparison. 


There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.






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    To call in that usage means to announce a judgment on a particular action or circumstance, as one who is formally or informally recognized as having the authority to render such judgments in the domain in question.




    I call foul!



    The referee called the play dead.




    The first example might be heard in an informal "pickup" (i.e. impromptu) game with no referee, where the player is recognized as having the "authority" to say that he has been fouled by another player.



    The second example refers to a person, the referee, who is empowered to make such judgments.



    The phrase can be used in circumstances not involving a game, treating those circumstances as if game rules applied to them, or at least wishing they did.



    Perhaps something shouted by Mikey's younger brother whom Mikey is tormenting:




    Mom! Mikey's says he is going to eat the last cookie which I was saving for my lunch tomorrow. I call foul!




    In phrases like "I call bullshit" the speaker is being facetious and acting as if he is in the role of referee, and a violation of the Bullshit Rule has occurred.






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    • Thank you! Does your answer mean that nouns in that usage have some adjectival quality, should I read in that this would make the singular form of the countable nouns better suited for this usage?

      – Jurgfeyce Hinn
      9 hours ago













    • The single nouns in this usage (I call bullshit!) are a kind of shorthand, where the noun-label refers to a particular infraction.

      – TRomano
      9 hours ago











    • A similar use of call is "I call time!" as a way to invoke a time out in an impromptu. informal game.

      – Al Maki
      3 hours ago
















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    To call in that usage means to announce a judgment on a particular action or circumstance, as one who is formally or informally recognized as having the authority to render such judgments in the domain in question.




    I call foul!



    The referee called the play dead.




    The first example might be heard in an informal "pickup" (i.e. impromptu) game with no referee, where the player is recognized as having the "authority" to say that he has been fouled by another player.



    The second example refers to a person, the referee, who is empowered to make such judgments.



    The phrase can be used in circumstances not involving a game, treating those circumstances as if game rules applied to them, or at least wishing they did.



    Perhaps something shouted by Mikey's younger brother whom Mikey is tormenting:




    Mom! Mikey's says he is going to eat the last cookie which I was saving for my lunch tomorrow. I call foul!




    In phrases like "I call bullshit" the speaker is being facetious and acting as if he is in the role of referee, and a violation of the Bullshit Rule has occurred.






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    • Thank you! Does your answer mean that nouns in that usage have some adjectival quality, should I read in that this would make the singular form of the countable nouns better suited for this usage?

      – Jurgfeyce Hinn
      9 hours ago













    • The single nouns in this usage (I call bullshit!) are a kind of shorthand, where the noun-label refers to a particular infraction.

      – TRomano
      9 hours ago











    • A similar use of call is "I call time!" as a way to invoke a time out in an impromptu. informal game.

      – Al Maki
      3 hours ago














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    To call in that usage means to announce a judgment on a particular action or circumstance, as one who is formally or informally recognized as having the authority to render such judgments in the domain in question.




    I call foul!



    The referee called the play dead.




    The first example might be heard in an informal "pickup" (i.e. impromptu) game with no referee, where the player is recognized as having the "authority" to say that he has been fouled by another player.



    The second example refers to a person, the referee, who is empowered to make such judgments.



    The phrase can be used in circumstances not involving a game, treating those circumstances as if game rules applied to them, or at least wishing they did.



    Perhaps something shouted by Mikey's younger brother whom Mikey is tormenting:




    Mom! Mikey's says he is going to eat the last cookie which I was saving for my lunch tomorrow. I call foul!




    In phrases like "I call bullshit" the speaker is being facetious and acting as if he is in the role of referee, and a violation of the Bullshit Rule has occurred.






    share|improve this answer















    To call in that usage means to announce a judgment on a particular action or circumstance, as one who is formally or informally recognized as having the authority to render such judgments in the domain in question.




    I call foul!



    The referee called the play dead.




    The first example might be heard in an informal "pickup" (i.e. impromptu) game with no referee, where the player is recognized as having the "authority" to say that he has been fouled by another player.



    The second example refers to a person, the referee, who is empowered to make such judgments.



    The phrase can be used in circumstances not involving a game, treating those circumstances as if game rules applied to them, or at least wishing they did.



    Perhaps something shouted by Mikey's younger brother whom Mikey is tormenting:




    Mom! Mikey's says he is going to eat the last cookie which I was saving for my lunch tomorrow. I call foul!




    In phrases like "I call bullshit" the speaker is being facetious and acting as if he is in the role of referee, and a violation of the Bullshit Rule has occurred.







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    • Thank you! Does your answer mean that nouns in that usage have some adjectival quality, should I read in that this would make the singular form of the countable nouns better suited for this usage?

      – Jurgfeyce Hinn
      9 hours ago













    • The single nouns in this usage (I call bullshit!) are a kind of shorthand, where the noun-label refers to a particular infraction.

      – TRomano
      9 hours ago











    • A similar use of call is "I call time!" as a way to invoke a time out in an impromptu. informal game.

      – Al Maki
      3 hours ago



















    • Thank you! Does your answer mean that nouns in that usage have some adjectival quality, should I read in that this would make the singular form of the countable nouns better suited for this usage?

      – Jurgfeyce Hinn
      9 hours ago













    • The single nouns in this usage (I call bullshit!) are a kind of shorthand, where the noun-label refers to a particular infraction.

      – TRomano
      9 hours ago











    • A similar use of call is "I call time!" as a way to invoke a time out in an impromptu. informal game.

      – Al Maki
      3 hours ago

















    Thank you! Does your answer mean that nouns in that usage have some adjectival quality, should I read in that this would make the singular form of the countable nouns better suited for this usage?

    – Jurgfeyce Hinn
    9 hours ago







    Thank you! Does your answer mean that nouns in that usage have some adjectival quality, should I read in that this would make the singular form of the countable nouns better suited for this usage?

    – Jurgfeyce Hinn
    9 hours ago















    The single nouns in this usage (I call bullshit!) are a kind of shorthand, where the noun-label refers to a particular infraction.

    – TRomano
    9 hours ago





    The single nouns in this usage (I call bullshit!) are a kind of shorthand, where the noun-label refers to a particular infraction.

    – TRomano
    9 hours ago













    A similar use of call is "I call time!" as a way to invoke a time out in an impromptu. informal game.

    – Al Maki
    3 hours ago





    A similar use of call is "I call time!" as a way to invoke a time out in an impromptu. informal game.

    – Al Maki
    3 hours ago













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    The construction



    I call [noun] on


    equals



    I attach the label '[noun]' to.


    Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. Thus:



    I call double standard on that critique


    but



    I call apples and oranges on that comparison. 


    There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.






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      The construction



      I call [noun] on


      equals



      I attach the label '[noun]' to.


      Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. Thus:



      I call double standard on that critique


      but



      I call apples and oranges on that comparison. 


      There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.






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        The construction



        I call [noun] on


        equals



        I attach the label '[noun]' to.


        Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. Thus:



        I call double standard on that critique


        but



        I call apples and oranges on that comparison. 


        There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.






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        The construction



        I call [noun] on


        equals



        I attach the label '[noun]' to.


        Anything can be a label; the choice depends on what is idiomatic. Thus:



        I call double standard on that critique


        but



        I call apples and oranges on that comparison. 


        There is no issue of countability outside the label itself.







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