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Let $M_n$ be the $ntimes n$ matrix with entries
$$binom{i}{2j}+binom{j}{2i}, qquad text{for $1leq i,jleq n$}.$$




QUESTION. Is this true? There is some evidence. The determinant $det(M_{2n+1})=0$ and
$$det(M_{2n})=(-1)^nbinom{2n}n^22^{n(n-3)}.$$











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    The odd case is easy because $M_{2n-1}$ has an $n times n$ block of zeros at bottom right. In the even case, $M_{2n}$ still has that $n times n$ block of zeros, so its determinant is $(-1)^n$ times the product of the determinants of the $n times n$ blocks at top right and bottom left, which are equal because they are each other's transpose. So it comes down to a determinant of $i choose 2j$ for $i in [n-1,2n]$ and $j in [1,n]$, which must be known.
    – Noam D. Elkies
    Dec 17 '18 at 5:29






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    @NoamD.Elkies typo: $iin [n+1,2n]$
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 6:31










  • Right, thanks. Alas it is long after the 5-minute window for editing comments.
    – Noam D. Elkies
    Dec 17 '18 at 15:35










  • @NoamD.Elkies: Good observation. Thanks!
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 18:56
















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Let $M_n$ be the $ntimes n$ matrix with entries
$$binom{i}{2j}+binom{j}{2i}, qquad text{for $1leq i,jleq n$}.$$




QUESTION. Is this true? There is some evidence. The determinant $det(M_{2n+1})=0$ and
$$det(M_{2n})=(-1)^nbinom{2n}n^22^{n(n-3)}.$$











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    The odd case is easy because $M_{2n-1}$ has an $n times n$ block of zeros at bottom right. In the even case, $M_{2n}$ still has that $n times n$ block of zeros, so its determinant is $(-1)^n$ times the product of the determinants of the $n times n$ blocks at top right and bottom left, which are equal because they are each other's transpose. So it comes down to a determinant of $i choose 2j$ for $i in [n-1,2n]$ and $j in [1,n]$, which must be known.
    – Noam D. Elkies
    Dec 17 '18 at 5:29






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    @NoamD.Elkies typo: $iin [n+1,2n]$
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 6:31










  • Right, thanks. Alas it is long after the 5-minute window for editing comments.
    – Noam D. Elkies
    Dec 17 '18 at 15:35










  • @NoamD.Elkies: Good observation. Thanks!
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 18:56














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Let $M_n$ be the $ntimes n$ matrix with entries
$$binom{i}{2j}+binom{j}{2i}, qquad text{for $1leq i,jleq n$}.$$




QUESTION. Is this true? There is some evidence. The determinant $det(M_{2n+1})=0$ and
$$det(M_{2n})=(-1)^nbinom{2n}n^22^{n(n-3)}.$$











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Let $M_n$ be the $ntimes n$ matrix with entries
$$binom{i}{2j}+binom{j}{2i}, qquad text{for $1leq i,jleq n$}.$$




QUESTION. Is this true? There is some evidence. The determinant $det(M_{2n+1})=0$ and
$$det(M_{2n})=(-1)^nbinom{2n}n^22^{n(n-3)}.$$








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    The odd case is easy because $M_{2n-1}$ has an $n times n$ block of zeros at bottom right. In the even case, $M_{2n}$ still has that $n times n$ block of zeros, so its determinant is $(-1)^n$ times the product of the determinants of the $n times n$ blocks at top right and bottom left, which are equal because they are each other's transpose. So it comes down to a determinant of $i choose 2j$ for $i in [n-1,2n]$ and $j in [1,n]$, which must be known.
    – Noam D. Elkies
    Dec 17 '18 at 5:29






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    @NoamD.Elkies typo: $iin [n+1,2n]$
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 6:31










  • Right, thanks. Alas it is long after the 5-minute window for editing comments.
    – Noam D. Elkies
    Dec 17 '18 at 15:35










  • @NoamD.Elkies: Good observation. Thanks!
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 18:56














  • 6




    The odd case is easy because $M_{2n-1}$ has an $n times n$ block of zeros at bottom right. In the even case, $M_{2n}$ still has that $n times n$ block of zeros, so its determinant is $(-1)^n$ times the product of the determinants of the $n times n$ blocks at top right and bottom left, which are equal because they are each other's transpose. So it comes down to a determinant of $i choose 2j$ for $i in [n-1,2n]$ and $j in [1,n]$, which must be known.
    – Noam D. Elkies
    Dec 17 '18 at 5:29






  • 2




    @NoamD.Elkies typo: $iin [n+1,2n]$
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 6:31










  • Right, thanks. Alas it is long after the 5-minute window for editing comments.
    – Noam D. Elkies
    Dec 17 '18 at 15:35










  • @NoamD.Elkies: Good observation. Thanks!
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 18:56








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The odd case is easy because $M_{2n-1}$ has an $n times n$ block of zeros at bottom right. In the even case, $M_{2n}$ still has that $n times n$ block of zeros, so its determinant is $(-1)^n$ times the product of the determinants of the $n times n$ blocks at top right and bottom left, which are equal because they are each other's transpose. So it comes down to a determinant of $i choose 2j$ for $i in [n-1,2n]$ and $j in [1,n]$, which must be known.
– Noam D. Elkies
Dec 17 '18 at 5:29




The odd case is easy because $M_{2n-1}$ has an $n times n$ block of zeros at bottom right. In the even case, $M_{2n}$ still has that $n times n$ block of zeros, so its determinant is $(-1)^n$ times the product of the determinants of the $n times n$ blocks at top right and bottom left, which are equal because they are each other's transpose. So it comes down to a determinant of $i choose 2j$ for $i in [n-1,2n]$ and $j in [1,n]$, which must be known.
– Noam D. Elkies
Dec 17 '18 at 5:29




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@NoamD.Elkies typo: $iin [n+1,2n]$
– Fedor Petrov
Dec 17 '18 at 6:31




@NoamD.Elkies typo: $iin [n+1,2n]$
– Fedor Petrov
Dec 17 '18 at 6:31












Right, thanks. Alas it is long after the 5-minute window for editing comments.
– Noam D. Elkies
Dec 17 '18 at 15:35




Right, thanks. Alas it is long after the 5-minute window for editing comments.
– Noam D. Elkies
Dec 17 '18 at 15:35












@NoamD.Elkies: Good observation. Thanks!
– T. Amdeberhan
Dec 17 '18 at 18:56




@NoamD.Elkies: Good observation. Thanks!
– T. Amdeberhan
Dec 17 '18 at 18:56










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Noam Elkies in the comments reduces the problem to the identity $$detleft(binom{(n+1)+i}{2j+2}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=binom{2n}n2^{n(n-3)/2}.$$ In general the determinant $binom{N+i}{c_j+j}$, $i,j=0,dots,n-1$ for integers $0leqslant c_0leqslant c_1leqslant dots leqslant c_{n-1}leqslant N$ may be calculated by the following trick.



Consider the Young diagrams $lambda,mu$ with rows length $c_0leqslant c_1leqslant dots leqslant c_{n-1}$ and $N,N,dots,N$ ($n$ rows in total) respectively. Count the skew Young tableaux of the shape $musetminus lambda$. On one hand, the number of such tableaux is known (see Okounkov, A., Olshanski, G.: Shifted Schur functions. St. Petersburg Math. J. 9(2), 73–146 (1997), Theorem 8.1) to be equal to $$frac{(Ncdot n-sum c_i)!}{prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (N+i)!}cdot prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (c_i+i)!cdot detleft(binom{N+i}{c_j+j}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}.$$
On the other hand, it is the same as the number of usual Young tableaux of the shape $(N-c_0,dots,N-c_{n-1})$, which may be evaluated by Hook Length Formula as
$$
frac{(Ncdot n-sum c_i)!}{prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!}cdot prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i).
$$

Therefore
$$
detleft(binom{N+i}{c_j+j}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=\
prod_{i=0}^{n-1}frac{(N+i)!}{(c_i+i)!(N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!}cdot prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i).quad (*)
$$

It remains to substitute $N=n+1$ and $c_i=i+2$.
We get $$prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i)=2^{n(n-1)/2}prod_{i<j}(j-i)=prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i)=2^{n(n-1)/2}prod_{i=0}^{n-1} i!$$
and $(*)$ rewrites as
$$
detleft(binom{(n+1)+i}{2j+2}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=
frac{1!2!dots (n-1)! (n+1)!dots (2n)!}
{2!4!dots (2n)! 2! 4!dots (2n-2)!}2^{n(n-1)/2}.
$$

Replace $2!4!dots (2n)!$ to $$2cdot 1!cdot 4cdot 3!cdot 6cdot 5!cdot ldotscdot (2n)cdot(2n-1)!=\=2^nn! 1!3!dots (2n-1)!.$$ We get $frac{(2n)!}{n!n!} 2^{n(n-3)/2}$
as supposed.



Remark: of course the above determinant is a polynomial in $N$, and if we replace $(N+i)!/(N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!$ in $(*)$ by $c_{n-i-1}! binom{N+i}{c_{n-i-1}}$, the formula becomes true for arbitrary $N$, not necessarily positive integer.






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As a follow-up on Fedor's wonderful proof, I would like to pen down just a comment.



Let's replace $c_j+j$ by $u_j$ and treat $N$ as an indeterminate. Then, for non-negative integers $a$ and $b$, we have the determinantal evaluation
$$detleft(binom{N+i+a}{u_{j+b}}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}
=prod_{i=0}^{n-1}frac{(N+i+a)!}{(N+n-a-1)!}binom{N+n+a-1}{u_{i+b}}prod_{i<j}^{0,n-1}(u_{j+b}-u_{i+b}).$$

The proof follows from the method of condensation; see Desnanot–Jacobi identity.



Remark. The introduction (or generalization) of the parameters $a$ and $b$ is what makes above-mentioned method work, effectively.






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  • are not there typos? This $u_{j+b}$ looks strange.
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:03










  • Not typo, I believe. I am just shifting by $b$. You would see that is not strange if you try to use condensation (as you move up and down in the infinite matrix).
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:05










  • also $N+a$ are always together except the denominator where $N-a$ appears. Is it ok?
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:57










  • Good point. That was some annoying part that did not allow me to get further generalization of the matrices, such that $N+a+i=x_i$. On the positive side, it allows the reader to see the roles of the "shifting parameters" $a$ and $b$ with the proof.
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 21:31










  • Tewodros, is it still ok? If we replace $N$ by $N+5$ and $a$ by $a-5$ it looks like nothing except denominator changes...
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 23:58













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Noam Elkies in the comments reduces the problem to the identity $$detleft(binom{(n+1)+i}{2j+2}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=binom{2n}n2^{n(n-3)/2}.$$ In general the determinant $binom{N+i}{c_j+j}$, $i,j=0,dots,n-1$ for integers $0leqslant c_0leqslant c_1leqslant dots leqslant c_{n-1}leqslant N$ may be calculated by the following trick.



Consider the Young diagrams $lambda,mu$ with rows length $c_0leqslant c_1leqslant dots leqslant c_{n-1}$ and $N,N,dots,N$ ($n$ rows in total) respectively. Count the skew Young tableaux of the shape $musetminus lambda$. On one hand, the number of such tableaux is known (see Okounkov, A., Olshanski, G.: Shifted Schur functions. St. Petersburg Math. J. 9(2), 73–146 (1997), Theorem 8.1) to be equal to $$frac{(Ncdot n-sum c_i)!}{prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (N+i)!}cdot prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (c_i+i)!cdot detleft(binom{N+i}{c_j+j}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}.$$
On the other hand, it is the same as the number of usual Young tableaux of the shape $(N-c_0,dots,N-c_{n-1})$, which may be evaluated by Hook Length Formula as
$$
frac{(Ncdot n-sum c_i)!}{prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!}cdot prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i).
$$

Therefore
$$
detleft(binom{N+i}{c_j+j}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=\
prod_{i=0}^{n-1}frac{(N+i)!}{(c_i+i)!(N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!}cdot prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i).quad (*)
$$

It remains to substitute $N=n+1$ and $c_i=i+2$.
We get $$prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i)=2^{n(n-1)/2}prod_{i<j}(j-i)=prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i)=2^{n(n-1)/2}prod_{i=0}^{n-1} i!$$
and $(*)$ rewrites as
$$
detleft(binom{(n+1)+i}{2j+2}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=
frac{1!2!dots (n-1)! (n+1)!dots (2n)!}
{2!4!dots (2n)! 2! 4!dots (2n-2)!}2^{n(n-1)/2}.
$$

Replace $2!4!dots (2n)!$ to $$2cdot 1!cdot 4cdot 3!cdot 6cdot 5!cdot ldotscdot (2n)cdot(2n-1)!=\=2^nn! 1!3!dots (2n-1)!.$$ We get $frac{(2n)!}{n!n!} 2^{n(n-3)/2}$
as supposed.



Remark: of course the above determinant is a polynomial in $N$, and if we replace $(N+i)!/(N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!$ in $(*)$ by $c_{n-i-1}! binom{N+i}{c_{n-i-1}}$, the formula becomes true for arbitrary $N$, not necessarily positive integer.






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Noam Elkies in the comments reduces the problem to the identity $$detleft(binom{(n+1)+i}{2j+2}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=binom{2n}n2^{n(n-3)/2}.$$ In general the determinant $binom{N+i}{c_j+j}$, $i,j=0,dots,n-1$ for integers $0leqslant c_0leqslant c_1leqslant dots leqslant c_{n-1}leqslant N$ may be calculated by the following trick.



Consider the Young diagrams $lambda,mu$ with rows length $c_0leqslant c_1leqslant dots leqslant c_{n-1}$ and $N,N,dots,N$ ($n$ rows in total) respectively. Count the skew Young tableaux of the shape $musetminus lambda$. On one hand, the number of such tableaux is known (see Okounkov, A., Olshanski, G.: Shifted Schur functions. St. Petersburg Math. J. 9(2), 73–146 (1997), Theorem 8.1) to be equal to $$frac{(Ncdot n-sum c_i)!}{prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (N+i)!}cdot prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (c_i+i)!cdot detleft(binom{N+i}{c_j+j}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}.$$
On the other hand, it is the same as the number of usual Young tableaux of the shape $(N-c_0,dots,N-c_{n-1})$, which may be evaluated by Hook Length Formula as
$$
frac{(Ncdot n-sum c_i)!}{prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!}cdot prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i).
$$

Therefore
$$
detleft(binom{N+i}{c_j+j}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=\
prod_{i=0}^{n-1}frac{(N+i)!}{(c_i+i)!(N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!}cdot prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i).quad (*)
$$

It remains to substitute $N=n+1$ and $c_i=i+2$.
We get $$prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i)=2^{n(n-1)/2}prod_{i<j}(j-i)=prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i)=2^{n(n-1)/2}prod_{i=0}^{n-1} i!$$
and $(*)$ rewrites as
$$
detleft(binom{(n+1)+i}{2j+2}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=
frac{1!2!dots (n-1)! (n+1)!dots (2n)!}
{2!4!dots (2n)! 2! 4!dots (2n-2)!}2^{n(n-1)/2}.
$$

Replace $2!4!dots (2n)!$ to $$2cdot 1!cdot 4cdot 3!cdot 6cdot 5!cdot ldotscdot (2n)cdot(2n-1)!=\=2^nn! 1!3!dots (2n-1)!.$$ We get $frac{(2n)!}{n!n!} 2^{n(n-3)/2}$
as supposed.



Remark: of course the above determinant is a polynomial in $N$, and if we replace $(N+i)!/(N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!$ in $(*)$ by $c_{n-i-1}! binom{N+i}{c_{n-i-1}}$, the formula becomes true for arbitrary $N$, not necessarily positive integer.






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  • That's very nice, thanks.
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    Dec 17 '18 at 18:56














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Noam Elkies in the comments reduces the problem to the identity $$detleft(binom{(n+1)+i}{2j+2}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=binom{2n}n2^{n(n-3)/2}.$$ In general the determinant $binom{N+i}{c_j+j}$, $i,j=0,dots,n-1$ for integers $0leqslant c_0leqslant c_1leqslant dots leqslant c_{n-1}leqslant N$ may be calculated by the following trick.



Consider the Young diagrams $lambda,mu$ with rows length $c_0leqslant c_1leqslant dots leqslant c_{n-1}$ and $N,N,dots,N$ ($n$ rows in total) respectively. Count the skew Young tableaux of the shape $musetminus lambda$. On one hand, the number of such tableaux is known (see Okounkov, A., Olshanski, G.: Shifted Schur functions. St. Petersburg Math. J. 9(2), 73–146 (1997), Theorem 8.1) to be equal to $$frac{(Ncdot n-sum c_i)!}{prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (N+i)!}cdot prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (c_i+i)!cdot detleft(binom{N+i}{c_j+j}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}.$$
On the other hand, it is the same as the number of usual Young tableaux of the shape $(N-c_0,dots,N-c_{n-1})$, which may be evaluated by Hook Length Formula as
$$
frac{(Ncdot n-sum c_i)!}{prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!}cdot prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i).
$$

Therefore
$$
detleft(binom{N+i}{c_j+j}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=\
prod_{i=0}^{n-1}frac{(N+i)!}{(c_i+i)!(N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!}cdot prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i).quad (*)
$$

It remains to substitute $N=n+1$ and $c_i=i+2$.
We get $$prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i)=2^{n(n-1)/2}prod_{i<j}(j-i)=prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i)=2^{n(n-1)/2}prod_{i=0}^{n-1} i!$$
and $(*)$ rewrites as
$$
detleft(binom{(n+1)+i}{2j+2}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=
frac{1!2!dots (n-1)! (n+1)!dots (2n)!}
{2!4!dots (2n)! 2! 4!dots (2n-2)!}2^{n(n-1)/2}.
$$

Replace $2!4!dots (2n)!$ to $$2cdot 1!cdot 4cdot 3!cdot 6cdot 5!cdot ldotscdot (2n)cdot(2n-1)!=\=2^nn! 1!3!dots (2n-1)!.$$ We get $frac{(2n)!}{n!n!} 2^{n(n-3)/2}$
as supposed.



Remark: of course the above determinant is a polynomial in $N$, and if we replace $(N+i)!/(N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!$ in $(*)$ by $c_{n-i-1}! binom{N+i}{c_{n-i-1}}$, the formula becomes true for arbitrary $N$, not necessarily positive integer.






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Noam Elkies in the comments reduces the problem to the identity $$detleft(binom{(n+1)+i}{2j+2}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=binom{2n}n2^{n(n-3)/2}.$$ In general the determinant $binom{N+i}{c_j+j}$, $i,j=0,dots,n-1$ for integers $0leqslant c_0leqslant c_1leqslant dots leqslant c_{n-1}leqslant N$ may be calculated by the following trick.



Consider the Young diagrams $lambda,mu$ with rows length $c_0leqslant c_1leqslant dots leqslant c_{n-1}$ and $N,N,dots,N$ ($n$ rows in total) respectively. Count the skew Young tableaux of the shape $musetminus lambda$. On one hand, the number of such tableaux is known (see Okounkov, A., Olshanski, G.: Shifted Schur functions. St. Petersburg Math. J. 9(2), 73–146 (1997), Theorem 8.1) to be equal to $$frac{(Ncdot n-sum c_i)!}{prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (N+i)!}cdot prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (c_i+i)!cdot detleft(binom{N+i}{c_j+j}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}.$$
On the other hand, it is the same as the number of usual Young tableaux of the shape $(N-c_0,dots,N-c_{n-1})$, which may be evaluated by Hook Length Formula as
$$
frac{(Ncdot n-sum c_i)!}{prod_{i=0}^{n-1} (N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!}cdot prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i).
$$

Therefore
$$
detleft(binom{N+i}{c_j+j}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=\
prod_{i=0}^{n-1}frac{(N+i)!}{(c_i+i)!(N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!}cdot prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i).quad (*)
$$

It remains to substitute $N=n+1$ and $c_i=i+2$.
We get $$prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i)=2^{n(n-1)/2}prod_{i<j}(j-i)=prod_{i<j} (c_j+j-c_i-i)=2^{n(n-1)/2}prod_{i=0}^{n-1} i!$$
and $(*)$ rewrites as
$$
detleft(binom{(n+1)+i}{2j+2}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}=
frac{1!2!dots (n-1)! (n+1)!dots (2n)!}
{2!4!dots (2n)! 2! 4!dots (2n-2)!}2^{n(n-1)/2}.
$$

Replace $2!4!dots (2n)!$ to $$2cdot 1!cdot 4cdot 3!cdot 6cdot 5!cdot ldotscdot (2n)cdot(2n-1)!=\=2^nn! 1!3!dots (2n-1)!.$$ We get $frac{(2n)!}{n!n!} 2^{n(n-3)/2}$
as supposed.



Remark: of course the above determinant is a polynomial in $N$, and if we replace $(N+i)!/(N-c_{n-i-1}+i)!$ in $(*)$ by $c_{n-i-1}! binom{N+i}{c_{n-i-1}}$, the formula becomes true for arbitrary $N$, not necessarily positive integer.







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  • That's very nice, thanks.
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 18:56


















  • That's very nice, thanks.
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 18:56
















That's very nice, thanks.
– T. Amdeberhan
Dec 17 '18 at 18:56




That's very nice, thanks.
– T. Amdeberhan
Dec 17 '18 at 18:56











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As a follow-up on Fedor's wonderful proof, I would like to pen down just a comment.



Let's replace $c_j+j$ by $u_j$ and treat $N$ as an indeterminate. Then, for non-negative integers $a$ and $b$, we have the determinantal evaluation
$$detleft(binom{N+i+a}{u_{j+b}}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}
=prod_{i=0}^{n-1}frac{(N+i+a)!}{(N+n-a-1)!}binom{N+n+a-1}{u_{i+b}}prod_{i<j}^{0,n-1}(u_{j+b}-u_{i+b}).$$

The proof follows from the method of condensation; see Desnanot–Jacobi identity.



Remark. The introduction (or generalization) of the parameters $a$ and $b$ is what makes above-mentioned method work, effectively.






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  • are not there typos? This $u_{j+b}$ looks strange.
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:03










  • Not typo, I believe. I am just shifting by $b$. You would see that is not strange if you try to use condensation (as you move up and down in the infinite matrix).
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:05










  • also $N+a$ are always together except the denominator where $N-a$ appears. Is it ok?
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:57










  • Good point. That was some annoying part that did not allow me to get further generalization of the matrices, such that $N+a+i=x_i$. On the positive side, it allows the reader to see the roles of the "shifting parameters" $a$ and $b$ with the proof.
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 21:31










  • Tewodros, is it still ok? If we replace $N$ by $N+5$ and $a$ by $a-5$ it looks like nothing except denominator changes...
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 23:58


















2














As a follow-up on Fedor's wonderful proof, I would like to pen down just a comment.



Let's replace $c_j+j$ by $u_j$ and treat $N$ as an indeterminate. Then, for non-negative integers $a$ and $b$, we have the determinantal evaluation
$$detleft(binom{N+i+a}{u_{j+b}}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}
=prod_{i=0}^{n-1}frac{(N+i+a)!}{(N+n-a-1)!}binom{N+n+a-1}{u_{i+b}}prod_{i<j}^{0,n-1}(u_{j+b}-u_{i+b}).$$

The proof follows from the method of condensation; see Desnanot–Jacobi identity.



Remark. The introduction (or generalization) of the parameters $a$ and $b$ is what makes above-mentioned method work, effectively.






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • are not there typos? This $u_{j+b}$ looks strange.
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:03










  • Not typo, I believe. I am just shifting by $b$. You would see that is not strange if you try to use condensation (as you move up and down in the infinite matrix).
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:05










  • also $N+a$ are always together except the denominator where $N-a$ appears. Is it ok?
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:57










  • Good point. That was some annoying part that did not allow me to get further generalization of the matrices, such that $N+a+i=x_i$. On the positive side, it allows the reader to see the roles of the "shifting parameters" $a$ and $b$ with the proof.
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 21:31










  • Tewodros, is it still ok? If we replace $N$ by $N+5$ and $a$ by $a-5$ it looks like nothing except denominator changes...
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 23:58
















2












2








2






As a follow-up on Fedor's wonderful proof, I would like to pen down just a comment.



Let's replace $c_j+j$ by $u_j$ and treat $N$ as an indeterminate. Then, for non-negative integers $a$ and $b$, we have the determinantal evaluation
$$detleft(binom{N+i+a}{u_{j+b}}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}
=prod_{i=0}^{n-1}frac{(N+i+a)!}{(N+n-a-1)!}binom{N+n+a-1}{u_{i+b}}prod_{i<j}^{0,n-1}(u_{j+b}-u_{i+b}).$$

The proof follows from the method of condensation; see Desnanot–Jacobi identity.



Remark. The introduction (or generalization) of the parameters $a$ and $b$ is what makes above-mentioned method work, effectively.






share|cite|improve this answer












As a follow-up on Fedor's wonderful proof, I would like to pen down just a comment.



Let's replace $c_j+j$ by $u_j$ and treat $N$ as an indeterminate. Then, for non-negative integers $a$ and $b$, we have the determinantal evaluation
$$detleft(binom{N+i+a}{u_{j+b}}right)_{i,j=0}^{n-1}
=prod_{i=0}^{n-1}frac{(N+i+a)!}{(N+n-a-1)!}binom{N+n+a-1}{u_{i+b}}prod_{i<j}^{0,n-1}(u_{j+b}-u_{i+b}).$$

The proof follows from the method of condensation; see Desnanot–Jacobi identity.



Remark. The introduction (or generalization) of the parameters $a$ and $b$ is what makes above-mentioned method work, effectively.







share|cite|improve this answer












share|cite|improve this answer



share|cite|improve this answer










answered Dec 17 '18 at 18:55









T. AmdeberhanT. Amdeberhan

17.1k228126




17.1k228126












  • are not there typos? This $u_{j+b}$ looks strange.
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:03










  • Not typo, I believe. I am just shifting by $b$. You would see that is not strange if you try to use condensation (as you move up and down in the infinite matrix).
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:05










  • also $N+a$ are always together except the denominator where $N-a$ appears. Is it ok?
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:57










  • Good point. That was some annoying part that did not allow me to get further generalization of the matrices, such that $N+a+i=x_i$. On the positive side, it allows the reader to see the roles of the "shifting parameters" $a$ and $b$ with the proof.
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 21:31










  • Tewodros, is it still ok? If we replace $N$ by $N+5$ and $a$ by $a-5$ it looks like nothing except denominator changes...
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 23:58




















  • are not there typos? This $u_{j+b}$ looks strange.
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:03










  • Not typo, I believe. I am just shifting by $b$. You would see that is not strange if you try to use condensation (as you move up and down in the infinite matrix).
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:05










  • also $N+a$ are always together except the denominator where $N-a$ appears. Is it ok?
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 19:57










  • Good point. That was some annoying part that did not allow me to get further generalization of the matrices, such that $N+a+i=x_i$. On the positive side, it allows the reader to see the roles of the "shifting parameters" $a$ and $b$ with the proof.
    – T. Amdeberhan
    Dec 17 '18 at 21:31










  • Tewodros, is it still ok? If we replace $N$ by $N+5$ and $a$ by $a-5$ it looks like nothing except denominator changes...
    – Fedor Petrov
    Dec 17 '18 at 23:58


















are not there typos? This $u_{j+b}$ looks strange.
– Fedor Petrov
Dec 17 '18 at 19:03




are not there typos? This $u_{j+b}$ looks strange.
– Fedor Petrov
Dec 17 '18 at 19:03












Not typo, I believe. I am just shifting by $b$. You would see that is not strange if you try to use condensation (as you move up and down in the infinite matrix).
– T. Amdeberhan
Dec 17 '18 at 19:05




Not typo, I believe. I am just shifting by $b$. You would see that is not strange if you try to use condensation (as you move up and down in the infinite matrix).
– T. Amdeberhan
Dec 17 '18 at 19:05












also $N+a$ are always together except the denominator where $N-a$ appears. Is it ok?
– Fedor Petrov
Dec 17 '18 at 19:57




also $N+a$ are always together except the denominator where $N-a$ appears. Is it ok?
– Fedor Petrov
Dec 17 '18 at 19:57












Good point. That was some annoying part that did not allow me to get further generalization of the matrices, such that $N+a+i=x_i$. On the positive side, it allows the reader to see the roles of the "shifting parameters" $a$ and $b$ with the proof.
– T. Amdeberhan
Dec 17 '18 at 21:31




Good point. That was some annoying part that did not allow me to get further generalization of the matrices, such that $N+a+i=x_i$. On the positive side, it allows the reader to see the roles of the "shifting parameters" $a$ and $b$ with the proof.
– T. Amdeberhan
Dec 17 '18 at 21:31












Tewodros, is it still ok? If we replace $N$ by $N+5$ and $a$ by $a-5$ it looks like nothing except denominator changes...
– Fedor Petrov
Dec 17 '18 at 23:58






Tewodros, is it still ok? If we replace $N$ by $N+5$ and $a$ by $a-5$ it looks like nothing except denominator changes...
– Fedor Petrov
Dec 17 '18 at 23:58




















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