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First, some definitions:



Let $A$ be a shorthand for an infinite sequence
$( a(1), a(2), a(3), dots )$
of positive integers, likewise $B$ is an infinite sequence of positive integers
$( b(1), b(2), b(3) , dots)$,
and C is an increasing infinite sequence of positive integers
$( c(0), c(1), c(2), c(3), dots)$. Call $c(0)$ the initial value of $C$.



We say that the pair $(A,B)$ is a recursion pattern for $C$ if for each
positive integer n we have
$c(n) = a(n) * c(n-1) + b(n)$. Given a recursion pattern $(A,B)$, and an
initial value for $C$, we can reconstruct all the sequence $C$.



Clearly, for any increasing infinite sequence $C$ we can find a pair $(A,B)$
which is a recursion pattern for $C$, simply by taking all the $a(n)$ to
be equal to $1$, and defining the $b(n)$ as required. If the sequence $C$ is
increasing quickly, there will be many pairs $(A,B)$ which will be
recursion patterns for $C$.



In particular, for any increasing sequence of primes, we can find
recursion patterns, many of them if the sequence grows quickly.



Now the question: can a pair $(A,B)$ be a recursion pattern for more than
one sequence of primes? In other words, given $A$ and $B$ as a recursion
pattern, is it possible there is more than one initial value for $c(0)$
which will lead to an infinite sequence of primes?



Comments:
If the answer is yes, and we can prove that, I would expect the proof
to be quite difficult. Maybe a conditional proof would be possible.
On the other hand, it may be elementary to show that the answer is no.
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    I think a "no" answer would be more difficult than you expect; I think this could be seen as one weakening of the twin prime conjecture - if the twin prime conjecture is true, then set $A$ to be $(1, 1, dots)$, set $B$ to be the sequential differences of the larger of the twin primes, set $c(0) = 3, c'(0) = 5$. So a "no" would in fact also be a disproof of the twin prime conjecture.
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First, some definitions:



Let $A$ be a shorthand for an infinite sequence
$( a(1), a(2), a(3), dots )$
of positive integers, likewise $B$ is an infinite sequence of positive integers
$( b(1), b(2), b(3) , dots)$,
and C is an increasing infinite sequence of positive integers
$( c(0), c(1), c(2), c(3), dots)$. Call $c(0)$ the initial value of $C$.



We say that the pair $(A,B)$ is a recursion pattern for $C$ if for each
positive integer n we have
$c(n) = a(n) * c(n-1) + b(n)$. Given a recursion pattern $(A,B)$, and an
initial value for $C$, we can reconstruct all the sequence $C$.



Clearly, for any increasing infinite sequence $C$ we can find a pair $(A,B)$
which is a recursion pattern for $C$, simply by taking all the $a(n)$ to
be equal to $1$, and defining the $b(n)$ as required. If the sequence $C$ is
increasing quickly, there will be many pairs $(A,B)$ which will be
recursion patterns for $C$.



In particular, for any increasing sequence of primes, we can find
recursion patterns, many of them if the sequence grows quickly.



Now the question: can a pair $(A,B)$ be a recursion pattern for more than
one sequence of primes? In other words, given $A$ and $B$ as a recursion
pattern, is it possible there is more than one initial value for $c(0)$
which will lead to an infinite sequence of primes?



Comments:
If the answer is yes, and we can prove that, I would expect the proof
to be quite difficult. Maybe a conditional proof would be possible.
On the other hand, it may be elementary to show that the answer is no.
This question was written up by Moshe Newman.










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    I think a "no" answer would be more difficult than you expect; I think this could be seen as one weakening of the twin prime conjecture - if the twin prime conjecture is true, then set $A$ to be $(1, 1, dots)$, set $B$ to be the sequential differences of the larger of the twin primes, set $c(0) = 3, c'(0) = 5$. So a "no" would in fact also be a disproof of the twin prime conjecture.
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$begingroup$


First, some definitions:



Let $A$ be a shorthand for an infinite sequence
$( a(1), a(2), a(3), dots )$
of positive integers, likewise $B$ is an infinite sequence of positive integers
$( b(1), b(2), b(3) , dots)$,
and C is an increasing infinite sequence of positive integers
$( c(0), c(1), c(2), c(3), dots)$. Call $c(0)$ the initial value of $C$.



We say that the pair $(A,B)$ is a recursion pattern for $C$ if for each
positive integer n we have
$c(n) = a(n) * c(n-1) + b(n)$. Given a recursion pattern $(A,B)$, and an
initial value for $C$, we can reconstruct all the sequence $C$.



Clearly, for any increasing infinite sequence $C$ we can find a pair $(A,B)$
which is a recursion pattern for $C$, simply by taking all the $a(n)$ to
be equal to $1$, and defining the $b(n)$ as required. If the sequence $C$ is
increasing quickly, there will be many pairs $(A,B)$ which will be
recursion patterns for $C$.



In particular, for any increasing sequence of primes, we can find
recursion patterns, many of them if the sequence grows quickly.



Now the question: can a pair $(A,B)$ be a recursion pattern for more than
one sequence of primes? In other words, given $A$ and $B$ as a recursion
pattern, is it possible there is more than one initial value for $c(0)$
which will lead to an infinite sequence of primes?



Comments:
If the answer is yes, and we can prove that, I would expect the proof
to be quite difficult. Maybe a conditional proof would be possible.
On the other hand, it may be elementary to show that the answer is no.
This question was written up by Moshe Newman.










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First, some definitions:



Let $A$ be a shorthand for an infinite sequence
$( a(1), a(2), a(3), dots )$
of positive integers, likewise $B$ is an infinite sequence of positive integers
$( b(1), b(2), b(3) , dots)$,
and C is an increasing infinite sequence of positive integers
$( c(0), c(1), c(2), c(3), dots)$. Call $c(0)$ the initial value of $C$.



We say that the pair $(A,B)$ is a recursion pattern for $C$ if for each
positive integer n we have
$c(n) = a(n) * c(n-1) + b(n)$. Given a recursion pattern $(A,B)$, and an
initial value for $C$, we can reconstruct all the sequence $C$.



Clearly, for any increasing infinite sequence $C$ we can find a pair $(A,B)$
which is a recursion pattern for $C$, simply by taking all the $a(n)$ to
be equal to $1$, and defining the $b(n)$ as required. If the sequence $C$ is
increasing quickly, there will be many pairs $(A,B)$ which will be
recursion patterns for $C$.



In particular, for any increasing sequence of primes, we can find
recursion patterns, many of them if the sequence grows quickly.



Now the question: can a pair $(A,B)$ be a recursion pattern for more than
one sequence of primes? In other words, given $A$ and $B$ as a recursion
pattern, is it possible there is more than one initial value for $c(0)$
which will lead to an infinite sequence of primes?



Comments:
If the answer is yes, and we can prove that, I would expect the proof
to be quite difficult. Maybe a conditional proof would be possible.
On the other hand, it may be elementary to show that the answer is no.
This question was written up by Moshe Newman.







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    I think a "no" answer would be more difficult than you expect; I think this could be seen as one weakening of the twin prime conjecture - if the twin prime conjecture is true, then set $A$ to be $(1, 1, dots)$, set $B$ to be the sequential differences of the larger of the twin primes, set $c(0) = 3, c'(0) = 5$. So a "no" would in fact also be a disproof of the twin prime conjecture.
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    I think a "no" answer would be more difficult than you expect; I think this could be seen as one weakening of the twin prime conjecture - if the twin prime conjecture is true, then set $A$ to be $(1, 1, dots)$, set $B$ to be the sequential differences of the larger of the twin primes, set $c(0) = 3, c'(0) = 5$. So a "no" would in fact also be a disproof of the twin prime conjecture.
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I think a "no" answer would be more difficult than you expect; I think this could be seen as one weakening of the twin prime conjecture - if the twin prime conjecture is true, then set $A$ to be $(1, 1, dots)$, set $B$ to be the sequential differences of the larger of the twin primes, set $c(0) = 3, c'(0) = 5$. So a "no" would in fact also be a disproof of the twin prime conjecture.
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I think a "no" answer would be more difficult than you expect; I think this could be seen as one weakening of the twin prime conjecture - if the twin prime conjecture is true, then set $A$ to be $(1, 1, dots)$, set $B$ to be the sequential differences of the larger of the twin primes, set $c(0) = 3, c'(0) = 5$. So a "no" would in fact also be a disproof of the twin prime conjecture.
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The answer is yes, there are "recursion patterns" which result in sequences of primes for more than one choice of $c(0)$. In fact, if you are given any two "starting points", it is possible to find such sequences. The proof comes from the pigeonhole principle.



Start with $c(0), c'(0)$. These are two prime numbers with difference $d(1) := c'(0) - c(0)$. Then as the set of prime numbers is infinite, there is some pair $p_1 < p'_1$ such that $p_1 equiv p'_1 (text{mod }d)$. Let $a(1) = frac{p'_1 - p_1}{d(1)}$; let $b(1) = p_1 - a(1) c(0)$. (Note: I've slightly cheated here, and will explain the cheat at the end). Then $c(1) = a(1) c(0) + b(1) = a(1) c(0) + p_1 - a(1) c(0) = p_1$, while $c'(1) = a(1) c(0) + b(1) = frac{p'_1 - p_1}{c'(0) - c(0)} c'(0) + p_1 - frac{p'_1 - p_1}{c'(0) - c(0)} c(0) = p'_1$, as desired.



This is a pattern that can be repeated in the obvious way. We therefore have a recursion pattern that results in sequences of primes for multiple "starts".



Now for the cheat: there's no reason so far why this would make $b(i)$ positive. I don't have a completely elementary reason for that, but the prime number theorem should be enough to guarantee it. Essentially, the $n$th prime number doesn't grow "quickly enough" to escape such pairs.






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    There are very good reasons to think that for every even $g$ there are infinitely many primes $p$ with $p+g$ also prime. I'll mention them at the end.



    For $g=10$ the primes with this property start out



    $$3, 7, 13, 19, 31, 37, 43, 61, 73, 79, 97, 103, 127, 139, 157, 163, 181, 223, 229,cdots$$



    If this is indeed infinite, then one can pick any sub-sequence and the shift by $10$ such as



    $$3,19,73,79,157,229,cdots$$
    $$13,29,83,89,167,239,cdots.$$



    Then $(A,B)$ is a recursion pattern for both sequences of primes where $A=1,1,1,cdots$ and $B=16,54,6,78,72,cdots$ is the correct $B$ sequence.



    There is known to be at least one $g leq 246$ with infinitely many primes $p,p+g.$ (in fact infinitely many with the two primes successive, not that we care here.) So that alone shows that the answer to your question is yes.



    Assuming what I said about even $g$ is true, if follows that there is great freedom in finding recursion patterns which describe two prime sequences. Specifically: suppose we play a game where you give me two odd primes $p_0 lt p_0'$ a multiplier $a_1$ and an integer $beta_1.$ Then I need to give you a shift $b_1 gt beta_1$ so that $p_1=a_1p_0+b_1$ and $p'_1=a_1p'_0+b_1$ are both prime. Then, after I tell you this, you can give me any $a_2$ and $beta_2$ and I must give $b_2 gt beta_2$ so that $p_2=a_2p_1+b_2$ and $p'_2=a_2p'_1+b_2$ are both prime. We continue in this way forever or until I get stuck.



    If I can always manage the first step of finding $b_1$ then I will never get stuck. It is just the same problem over and over with a different given $p,p',a,beta$ each time. Just pick $g=a_0(p'_0-p_0)$ and, since there are infinitely many pairs $p,p+g,$ just pick one with $p-a_1p_0 gt beta_1.$



    A theorem about prime constellations would suggest that one can similarly start with $s=3$ or $s=100$ initial primes and an arbitrary $A$ (revealed one step at a time) and pick $B$ to get $s$ prime sequences all with the same recursion pattern $(A,B)$



    Here are details on the claim at the top. Define $pi_g(x)$ to be the number of primes $p lt x$ with $p+g$ also prime. Then there are good simple reasons to expect that $pi_2(x)$ is asymptotic to $C_2frac{x}{(ln x)^2} $ for $C_2=Pi_{p geq 3}(1-frac1{(p-1)^2}).$ Numerical calculations up to high $x$ match this quite well. The same reasoning suggests that there is a similar $C_g$ for each $g$ which depends only on the prime divisors of $g$ So $C_{2^k}=C_2$ and for any $g=2^k3^j$ , $C_g=2C_2$. In general, $C_g=C_2Pi_{p mid g}frac{p-1}{p-2}.$ Again, the numerical evidence fits the prediction.






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      The answer is yes, there are "recursion patterns" which result in sequences of primes for more than one choice of $c(0)$. In fact, if you are given any two "starting points", it is possible to find such sequences. The proof comes from the pigeonhole principle.



      Start with $c(0), c'(0)$. These are two prime numbers with difference $d(1) := c'(0) - c(0)$. Then as the set of prime numbers is infinite, there is some pair $p_1 < p'_1$ such that $p_1 equiv p'_1 (text{mod }d)$. Let $a(1) = frac{p'_1 - p_1}{d(1)}$; let $b(1) = p_1 - a(1) c(0)$. (Note: I've slightly cheated here, and will explain the cheat at the end). Then $c(1) = a(1) c(0) + b(1) = a(1) c(0) + p_1 - a(1) c(0) = p_1$, while $c'(1) = a(1) c(0) + b(1) = frac{p'_1 - p_1}{c'(0) - c(0)} c'(0) + p_1 - frac{p'_1 - p_1}{c'(0) - c(0)} c(0) = p'_1$, as desired.



      This is a pattern that can be repeated in the obvious way. We therefore have a recursion pattern that results in sequences of primes for multiple "starts".



      Now for the cheat: there's no reason so far why this would make $b(i)$ positive. I don't have a completely elementary reason for that, but the prime number theorem should be enough to guarantee it. Essentially, the $n$th prime number doesn't grow "quickly enough" to escape such pairs.






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        The answer is yes, there are "recursion patterns" which result in sequences of primes for more than one choice of $c(0)$. In fact, if you are given any two "starting points", it is possible to find such sequences. The proof comes from the pigeonhole principle.



        Start with $c(0), c'(0)$. These are two prime numbers with difference $d(1) := c'(0) - c(0)$. Then as the set of prime numbers is infinite, there is some pair $p_1 < p'_1$ such that $p_1 equiv p'_1 (text{mod }d)$. Let $a(1) = frac{p'_1 - p_1}{d(1)}$; let $b(1) = p_1 - a(1) c(0)$. (Note: I've slightly cheated here, and will explain the cheat at the end). Then $c(1) = a(1) c(0) + b(1) = a(1) c(0) + p_1 - a(1) c(0) = p_1$, while $c'(1) = a(1) c(0) + b(1) = frac{p'_1 - p_1}{c'(0) - c(0)} c'(0) + p_1 - frac{p'_1 - p_1}{c'(0) - c(0)} c(0) = p'_1$, as desired.



        This is a pattern that can be repeated in the obvious way. We therefore have a recursion pattern that results in sequences of primes for multiple "starts".



        Now for the cheat: there's no reason so far why this would make $b(i)$ positive. I don't have a completely elementary reason for that, but the prime number theorem should be enough to guarantee it. Essentially, the $n$th prime number doesn't grow "quickly enough" to escape such pairs.






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          The answer is yes, there are "recursion patterns" which result in sequences of primes for more than one choice of $c(0)$. In fact, if you are given any two "starting points", it is possible to find such sequences. The proof comes from the pigeonhole principle.



          Start with $c(0), c'(0)$. These are two prime numbers with difference $d(1) := c'(0) - c(0)$. Then as the set of prime numbers is infinite, there is some pair $p_1 < p'_1$ such that $p_1 equiv p'_1 (text{mod }d)$. Let $a(1) = frac{p'_1 - p_1}{d(1)}$; let $b(1) = p_1 - a(1) c(0)$. (Note: I've slightly cheated here, and will explain the cheat at the end). Then $c(1) = a(1) c(0) + b(1) = a(1) c(0) + p_1 - a(1) c(0) = p_1$, while $c'(1) = a(1) c(0) + b(1) = frac{p'_1 - p_1}{c'(0) - c(0)} c'(0) + p_1 - frac{p'_1 - p_1}{c'(0) - c(0)} c(0) = p'_1$, as desired.



          This is a pattern that can be repeated in the obvious way. We therefore have a recursion pattern that results in sequences of primes for multiple "starts".



          Now for the cheat: there's no reason so far why this would make $b(i)$ positive. I don't have a completely elementary reason for that, but the prime number theorem should be enough to guarantee it. Essentially, the $n$th prime number doesn't grow "quickly enough" to escape such pairs.






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          The answer is yes, there are "recursion patterns" which result in sequences of primes for more than one choice of $c(0)$. In fact, if you are given any two "starting points", it is possible to find such sequences. The proof comes from the pigeonhole principle.



          Start with $c(0), c'(0)$. These are two prime numbers with difference $d(1) := c'(0) - c(0)$. Then as the set of prime numbers is infinite, there is some pair $p_1 < p'_1$ such that $p_1 equiv p'_1 (text{mod }d)$. Let $a(1) = frac{p'_1 - p_1}{d(1)}$; let $b(1) = p_1 - a(1) c(0)$. (Note: I've slightly cheated here, and will explain the cheat at the end). Then $c(1) = a(1) c(0) + b(1) = a(1) c(0) + p_1 - a(1) c(0) = p_1$, while $c'(1) = a(1) c(0) + b(1) = frac{p'_1 - p_1}{c'(0) - c(0)} c'(0) + p_1 - frac{p'_1 - p_1}{c'(0) - c(0)} c(0) = p'_1$, as desired.



          This is a pattern that can be repeated in the obvious way. We therefore have a recursion pattern that results in sequences of primes for multiple "starts".



          Now for the cheat: there's no reason so far why this would make $b(i)$ positive. I don't have a completely elementary reason for that, but the prime number theorem should be enough to guarantee it. Essentially, the $n$th prime number doesn't grow "quickly enough" to escape such pairs.







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              There are very good reasons to think that for every even $g$ there are infinitely many primes $p$ with $p+g$ also prime. I'll mention them at the end.



              For $g=10$ the primes with this property start out



              $$3, 7, 13, 19, 31, 37, 43, 61, 73, 79, 97, 103, 127, 139, 157, 163, 181, 223, 229,cdots$$



              If this is indeed infinite, then one can pick any sub-sequence and the shift by $10$ such as



              $$3,19,73,79,157,229,cdots$$
              $$13,29,83,89,167,239,cdots.$$



              Then $(A,B)$ is a recursion pattern for both sequences of primes where $A=1,1,1,cdots$ and $B=16,54,6,78,72,cdots$ is the correct $B$ sequence.



              There is known to be at least one $g leq 246$ with infinitely many primes $p,p+g.$ (in fact infinitely many with the two primes successive, not that we care here.) So that alone shows that the answer to your question is yes.



              Assuming what I said about even $g$ is true, if follows that there is great freedom in finding recursion patterns which describe two prime sequences. Specifically: suppose we play a game where you give me two odd primes $p_0 lt p_0'$ a multiplier $a_1$ and an integer $beta_1.$ Then I need to give you a shift $b_1 gt beta_1$ so that $p_1=a_1p_0+b_1$ and $p'_1=a_1p'_0+b_1$ are both prime. Then, after I tell you this, you can give me any $a_2$ and $beta_2$ and I must give $b_2 gt beta_2$ so that $p_2=a_2p_1+b_2$ and $p'_2=a_2p'_1+b_2$ are both prime. We continue in this way forever or until I get stuck.



              If I can always manage the first step of finding $b_1$ then I will never get stuck. It is just the same problem over and over with a different given $p,p',a,beta$ each time. Just pick $g=a_0(p'_0-p_0)$ and, since there are infinitely many pairs $p,p+g,$ just pick one with $p-a_1p_0 gt beta_1.$



              A theorem about prime constellations would suggest that one can similarly start with $s=3$ or $s=100$ initial primes and an arbitrary $A$ (revealed one step at a time) and pick $B$ to get $s$ prime sequences all with the same recursion pattern $(A,B)$



              Here are details on the claim at the top. Define $pi_g(x)$ to be the number of primes $p lt x$ with $p+g$ also prime. Then there are good simple reasons to expect that $pi_2(x)$ is asymptotic to $C_2frac{x}{(ln x)^2} $ for $C_2=Pi_{p geq 3}(1-frac1{(p-1)^2}).$ Numerical calculations up to high $x$ match this quite well. The same reasoning suggests that there is a similar $C_g$ for each $g$ which depends only on the prime divisors of $g$ So $C_{2^k}=C_2$ and for any $g=2^k3^j$ , $C_g=2C_2$. In general, $C_g=C_2Pi_{p mid g}frac{p-1}{p-2}.$ Again, the numerical evidence fits the prediction.






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                There are very good reasons to think that for every even $g$ there are infinitely many primes $p$ with $p+g$ also prime. I'll mention them at the end.



                For $g=10$ the primes with this property start out



                $$3, 7, 13, 19, 31, 37, 43, 61, 73, 79, 97, 103, 127, 139, 157, 163, 181, 223, 229,cdots$$



                If this is indeed infinite, then one can pick any sub-sequence and the shift by $10$ such as



                $$3,19,73,79,157,229,cdots$$
                $$13,29,83,89,167,239,cdots.$$



                Then $(A,B)$ is a recursion pattern for both sequences of primes where $A=1,1,1,cdots$ and $B=16,54,6,78,72,cdots$ is the correct $B$ sequence.



                There is known to be at least one $g leq 246$ with infinitely many primes $p,p+g.$ (in fact infinitely many with the two primes successive, not that we care here.) So that alone shows that the answer to your question is yes.



                Assuming what I said about even $g$ is true, if follows that there is great freedom in finding recursion patterns which describe two prime sequences. Specifically: suppose we play a game where you give me two odd primes $p_0 lt p_0'$ a multiplier $a_1$ and an integer $beta_1.$ Then I need to give you a shift $b_1 gt beta_1$ so that $p_1=a_1p_0+b_1$ and $p'_1=a_1p'_0+b_1$ are both prime. Then, after I tell you this, you can give me any $a_2$ and $beta_2$ and I must give $b_2 gt beta_2$ so that $p_2=a_2p_1+b_2$ and $p'_2=a_2p'_1+b_2$ are both prime. We continue in this way forever or until I get stuck.



                If I can always manage the first step of finding $b_1$ then I will never get stuck. It is just the same problem over and over with a different given $p,p',a,beta$ each time. Just pick $g=a_0(p'_0-p_0)$ and, since there are infinitely many pairs $p,p+g,$ just pick one with $p-a_1p_0 gt beta_1.$



                A theorem about prime constellations would suggest that one can similarly start with $s=3$ or $s=100$ initial primes and an arbitrary $A$ (revealed one step at a time) and pick $B$ to get $s$ prime sequences all with the same recursion pattern $(A,B)$



                Here are details on the claim at the top. Define $pi_g(x)$ to be the number of primes $p lt x$ with $p+g$ also prime. Then there are good simple reasons to expect that $pi_2(x)$ is asymptotic to $C_2frac{x}{(ln x)^2} $ for $C_2=Pi_{p geq 3}(1-frac1{(p-1)^2}).$ Numerical calculations up to high $x$ match this quite well. The same reasoning suggests that there is a similar $C_g$ for each $g$ which depends only on the prime divisors of $g$ So $C_{2^k}=C_2$ and for any $g=2^k3^j$ , $C_g=2C_2$. In general, $C_g=C_2Pi_{p mid g}frac{p-1}{p-2}.$ Again, the numerical evidence fits the prediction.






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                  There are very good reasons to think that for every even $g$ there are infinitely many primes $p$ with $p+g$ also prime. I'll mention them at the end.



                  For $g=10$ the primes with this property start out



                  $$3, 7, 13, 19, 31, 37, 43, 61, 73, 79, 97, 103, 127, 139, 157, 163, 181, 223, 229,cdots$$



                  If this is indeed infinite, then one can pick any sub-sequence and the shift by $10$ such as



                  $$3,19,73,79,157,229,cdots$$
                  $$13,29,83,89,167,239,cdots.$$



                  Then $(A,B)$ is a recursion pattern for both sequences of primes where $A=1,1,1,cdots$ and $B=16,54,6,78,72,cdots$ is the correct $B$ sequence.



                  There is known to be at least one $g leq 246$ with infinitely many primes $p,p+g.$ (in fact infinitely many with the two primes successive, not that we care here.) So that alone shows that the answer to your question is yes.



                  Assuming what I said about even $g$ is true, if follows that there is great freedom in finding recursion patterns which describe two prime sequences. Specifically: suppose we play a game where you give me two odd primes $p_0 lt p_0'$ a multiplier $a_1$ and an integer $beta_1.$ Then I need to give you a shift $b_1 gt beta_1$ so that $p_1=a_1p_0+b_1$ and $p'_1=a_1p'_0+b_1$ are both prime. Then, after I tell you this, you can give me any $a_2$ and $beta_2$ and I must give $b_2 gt beta_2$ so that $p_2=a_2p_1+b_2$ and $p'_2=a_2p'_1+b_2$ are both prime. We continue in this way forever or until I get stuck.



                  If I can always manage the first step of finding $b_1$ then I will never get stuck. It is just the same problem over and over with a different given $p,p',a,beta$ each time. Just pick $g=a_0(p'_0-p_0)$ and, since there are infinitely many pairs $p,p+g,$ just pick one with $p-a_1p_0 gt beta_1.$



                  A theorem about prime constellations would suggest that one can similarly start with $s=3$ or $s=100$ initial primes and an arbitrary $A$ (revealed one step at a time) and pick $B$ to get $s$ prime sequences all with the same recursion pattern $(A,B)$



                  Here are details on the claim at the top. Define $pi_g(x)$ to be the number of primes $p lt x$ with $p+g$ also prime. Then there are good simple reasons to expect that $pi_2(x)$ is asymptotic to $C_2frac{x}{(ln x)^2} $ for $C_2=Pi_{p geq 3}(1-frac1{(p-1)^2}).$ Numerical calculations up to high $x$ match this quite well. The same reasoning suggests that there is a similar $C_g$ for each $g$ which depends only on the prime divisors of $g$ So $C_{2^k}=C_2$ and for any $g=2^k3^j$ , $C_g=2C_2$. In general, $C_g=C_2Pi_{p mid g}frac{p-1}{p-2}.$ Again, the numerical evidence fits the prediction.






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                  There are very good reasons to think that for every even $g$ there are infinitely many primes $p$ with $p+g$ also prime. I'll mention them at the end.



                  For $g=10$ the primes with this property start out



                  $$3, 7, 13, 19, 31, 37, 43, 61, 73, 79, 97, 103, 127, 139, 157, 163, 181, 223, 229,cdots$$



                  If this is indeed infinite, then one can pick any sub-sequence and the shift by $10$ such as



                  $$3,19,73,79,157,229,cdots$$
                  $$13,29,83,89,167,239,cdots.$$



                  Then $(A,B)$ is a recursion pattern for both sequences of primes where $A=1,1,1,cdots$ and $B=16,54,6,78,72,cdots$ is the correct $B$ sequence.



                  There is known to be at least one $g leq 246$ with infinitely many primes $p,p+g.$ (in fact infinitely many with the two primes successive, not that we care here.) So that alone shows that the answer to your question is yes.



                  Assuming what I said about even $g$ is true, if follows that there is great freedom in finding recursion patterns which describe two prime sequences. Specifically: suppose we play a game where you give me two odd primes $p_0 lt p_0'$ a multiplier $a_1$ and an integer $beta_1.$ Then I need to give you a shift $b_1 gt beta_1$ so that $p_1=a_1p_0+b_1$ and $p'_1=a_1p'_0+b_1$ are both prime. Then, after I tell you this, you can give me any $a_2$ and $beta_2$ and I must give $b_2 gt beta_2$ so that $p_2=a_2p_1+b_2$ and $p'_2=a_2p'_1+b_2$ are both prime. We continue in this way forever or until I get stuck.



                  If I can always manage the first step of finding $b_1$ then I will never get stuck. It is just the same problem over and over with a different given $p,p',a,beta$ each time. Just pick $g=a_0(p'_0-p_0)$ and, since there are infinitely many pairs $p,p+g,$ just pick one with $p-a_1p_0 gt beta_1.$



                  A theorem about prime constellations would suggest that one can similarly start with $s=3$ or $s=100$ initial primes and an arbitrary $A$ (revealed one step at a time) and pick $B$ to get $s$ prime sequences all with the same recursion pattern $(A,B)$



                  Here are details on the claim at the top. Define $pi_g(x)$ to be the number of primes $p lt x$ with $p+g$ also prime. Then there are good simple reasons to expect that $pi_2(x)$ is asymptotic to $C_2frac{x}{(ln x)^2} $ for $C_2=Pi_{p geq 3}(1-frac1{(p-1)^2}).$ Numerical calculations up to high $x$ match this quite well. The same reasoning suggests that there is a similar $C_g$ for each $g$ which depends only on the prime divisors of $g$ So $C_{2^k}=C_2$ and for any $g=2^k3^j$ , $C_g=2C_2$. In general, $C_g=C_2Pi_{p mid g}frac{p-1}{p-2}.$ Again, the numerical evidence fits the prediction.







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