Can I write “ The bag is black colour?”












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We know that "The bag is black." is a correct sentence.
But, a lot of people write "the bag is black colour". Is this sentence grammatically wrong or acceptable?










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    Well, if you want to use both "black" and "color", you'd have to say "the bag is black in color", or "the bag is a black color" (which suggests it isn't perfectly black, but a kind of black; this construction works better for less absolute colors, like pink or orange), or "the bag's color is black". But even with these adjustments which make the sentence grammatically correct, stylistically it's still very clunky, and logically irkingly redundant.

    – Dan Bron
    Oct 14 '14 at 11:00








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    What proof do you offer that “a lot of people” write that wrong version? I’ve never seen it.

    – tchrist
    Oct 14 '14 at 12:53






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    @tchrist Judging by the user name, I would guess Ming is Chinese. While I’ve never actually heard anyone use black colour as an adjective either, even by Chinese people, it would be a very understandable error to make for a Chinese person, since all colour terms (noun or adjective) frequently take 色 sè ‘colour’ (by itself only a noun) at the end. So 包是黑(色)的 bāo shì hēi(sè) de ‘the bag is black’ is equally correct and common with and without the extra word ‘colour’. To someone whose English is limited, a direct translation is easily imaginable and I’m sure quite common.

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    Oct 14 '14 at 14:00






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    This is very common among non-native speakers because it is the natural way to express in their native tongue. It's incorrect in standard English, both grammatically as well as technically.

    – Kris
    Oct 14 '14 at 15:03
















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We know that "The bag is black." is a correct sentence.
But, a lot of people write "the bag is black colour". Is this sentence grammatically wrong or acceptable?










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  • 3





    Well, if you want to use both "black" and "color", you'd have to say "the bag is black in color", or "the bag is a black color" (which suggests it isn't perfectly black, but a kind of black; this construction works better for less absolute colors, like pink or orange), or "the bag's color is black". But even with these adjustments which make the sentence grammatically correct, stylistically it's still very clunky, and logically irkingly redundant.

    – Dan Bron
    Oct 14 '14 at 11:00








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    What proof do you offer that “a lot of people” write that wrong version? I’ve never seen it.

    – tchrist
    Oct 14 '14 at 12:53






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    @tchrist Judging by the user name, I would guess Ming is Chinese. While I’ve never actually heard anyone use black colour as an adjective either, even by Chinese people, it would be a very understandable error to make for a Chinese person, since all colour terms (noun or adjective) frequently take 色 sè ‘colour’ (by itself only a noun) at the end. So 包是黑(色)的 bāo shì hēi(sè) de ‘the bag is black’ is equally correct and common with and without the extra word ‘colour’. To someone whose English is limited, a direct translation is easily imaginable and I’m sure quite common.

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    Oct 14 '14 at 14:00






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    This is very common among non-native speakers because it is the natural way to express in their native tongue. It's incorrect in standard English, both grammatically as well as technically.

    – Kris
    Oct 14 '14 at 15:03














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    Well, if you want to use both "black" and "color", you'd have to say "the bag is black in color", or "the bag is a black color" (which suggests it isn't perfectly black, but a kind of black; this construction works better for less absolute colors, like pink or orange), or "the bag's color is black". But even with these adjustments which make the sentence grammatically correct, stylistically it's still very clunky, and logically irkingly redundant.

    – Dan Bron
    Oct 14 '14 at 11:00








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    What proof do you offer that “a lot of people” write that wrong version? I’ve never seen it.

    – tchrist
    Oct 14 '14 at 12:53






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    @tchrist Judging by the user name, I would guess Ming is Chinese. While I’ve never actually heard anyone use black colour as an adjective either, even by Chinese people, it would be a very understandable error to make for a Chinese person, since all colour terms (noun or adjective) frequently take 色 sè ‘colour’ (by itself only a noun) at the end. So 包是黑(色)的 bāo shì hēi(sè) de ‘the bag is black’ is equally correct and common with and without the extra word ‘colour’. To someone whose English is limited, a direct translation is easily imaginable and I’m sure quite common.

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    Oct 14 '14 at 14:00






  • 1





    This is very common among non-native speakers because it is the natural way to express in their native tongue. It's incorrect in standard English, both grammatically as well as technically.

    – Kris
    Oct 14 '14 at 15:03














  • 3





    Well, if you want to use both "black" and "color", you'd have to say "the bag is black in color", or "the bag is a black color" (which suggests it isn't perfectly black, but a kind of black; this construction works better for less absolute colors, like pink or orange), or "the bag's color is black". But even with these adjustments which make the sentence grammatically correct, stylistically it's still very clunky, and logically irkingly redundant.

    – Dan Bron
    Oct 14 '14 at 11:00








  • 6





    What proof do you offer that “a lot of people” write that wrong version? I’ve never seen it.

    – tchrist
    Oct 14 '14 at 12:53






  • 7





    @tchrist Judging by the user name, I would guess Ming is Chinese. While I’ve never actually heard anyone use black colour as an adjective either, even by Chinese people, it would be a very understandable error to make for a Chinese person, since all colour terms (noun or adjective) frequently take 色 sè ‘colour’ (by itself only a noun) at the end. So 包是黑(色)的 bāo shì hēi(sè) de ‘the bag is black’ is equally correct and common with and without the extra word ‘colour’. To someone whose English is limited, a direct translation is easily imaginable and I’m sure quite common.

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    Oct 14 '14 at 14:00






  • 1





    This is very common among non-native speakers because it is the natural way to express in their native tongue. It's incorrect in standard English, both grammatically as well as technically.

    – Kris
    Oct 14 '14 at 15:03








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Well, if you want to use both "black" and "color", you'd have to say "the bag is black in color", or "the bag is a black color" (which suggests it isn't perfectly black, but a kind of black; this construction works better for less absolute colors, like pink or orange), or "the bag's color is black". But even with these adjustments which make the sentence grammatically correct, stylistically it's still very clunky, and logically irkingly redundant.

– Dan Bron
Oct 14 '14 at 11:00







Well, if you want to use both "black" and "color", you'd have to say "the bag is black in color", or "the bag is a black color" (which suggests it isn't perfectly black, but a kind of black; this construction works better for less absolute colors, like pink or orange), or "the bag's color is black". But even with these adjustments which make the sentence grammatically correct, stylistically it's still very clunky, and logically irkingly redundant.

– Dan Bron
Oct 14 '14 at 11:00






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What proof do you offer that “a lot of people” write that wrong version? I’ve never seen it.

– tchrist
Oct 14 '14 at 12:53





What proof do you offer that “a lot of people” write that wrong version? I’ve never seen it.

– tchrist
Oct 14 '14 at 12:53




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@tchrist Judging by the user name, I would guess Ming is Chinese. While I’ve never actually heard anyone use black colour as an adjective either, even by Chinese people, it would be a very understandable error to make for a Chinese person, since all colour terms (noun or adjective) frequently take 色 sè ‘colour’ (by itself only a noun) at the end. So 包是黑(色)的 bāo shì hēi(sè) de ‘the bag is black’ is equally correct and common with and without the extra word ‘colour’. To someone whose English is limited, a direct translation is easily imaginable and I’m sure quite common.

– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Oct 14 '14 at 14:00





@tchrist Judging by the user name, I would guess Ming is Chinese. While I’ve never actually heard anyone use black colour as an adjective either, even by Chinese people, it would be a very understandable error to make for a Chinese person, since all colour terms (noun or adjective) frequently take 色 sè ‘colour’ (by itself only a noun) at the end. So 包是黑(色)的 bāo shì hēi(sè) de ‘the bag is black’ is equally correct and common with and without the extra word ‘colour’. To someone whose English is limited, a direct translation is easily imaginable and I’m sure quite common.

– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Oct 14 '14 at 14:00




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This is very common among non-native speakers because it is the natural way to express in their native tongue. It's incorrect in standard English, both grammatically as well as technically.

– Kris
Oct 14 '14 at 15:03





This is very common among non-native speakers because it is the natural way to express in their native tongue. It's incorrect in standard English, both grammatically as well as technically.

– Kris
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Grammatically wrong.



Your first (valid) example of "The bag is black" uses 'black' as an adjective.



It would also be valid to say "The bag is black coloured"; here the word 'black' is used as a noun modifier for the adjective 'coloured'.



Also idiomatic would be "The bag is black in colour" ('black' as adjective, 'colour' as noun).



"The bag is [or has] a black colour" is also fine, as 'black colour' acts as a compound noun being used to express a quality, property or relationship of the bag (similar to "The tube is a cylinder", "The car has a door", "The man has a child").



But in "The bag is black colour" you're saying the noun and the compound noun are equal, which they are not.






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    *The bag is black colour




    This sentence is ungrammatical. The reason is that colour is a singular countable noun. Singular, countable nouns in English must have a determiner:




    • *I have pen

    • I have a pen/ the pen /my pen/ this pen/ one pen/ John 's pen / which pen/ any pen


    So you can say:




    • The bag is a black colour


    or you could use the adjective coloured




    • It's black coloured.


    However, neither of these is very good style, because everybody knows that black is a colour!






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      Black is the colour of my true love’s hair...

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    • @John, 1) thanks for the edit. 2) How'd you make the asterisk come out as an asterisk instead of a bullet point, which is what always happens to me?

      – Araucaria
      Oct 14 '14 at 15:10






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      @Araucaria: 1) You're welcome. 2) Put the asterisk directly before the first letter of the sentence, no space. That's the linguistic convention; it apparently also defeats the formatting favor that the software would otherwise do for your convenience. It's much harder to arrange when you're using italics for examples, which is also the linguistic convention.

      – John Lawler
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    'The bag is black colour' is not grammatically acceptable I'm afraid and I would suggest;




    'The bag is black in colour'




    However, stating




    'The bag is black'




    is also fine, because black infers it is the colour of the bag that you are describing






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    • @Chenmunka: it's quite an explicit statement, so little is implied. If I would say the bag is coated in sooth, it implies that it is black.

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      Oct 14 '14 at 12:43



















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    The usage is not right. More appropriate usage would be something like




    The bag is of the color, black.




    or instead just use,




    The bag is black in color.







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      The comma in your first example is superfluous. It would not be normally be present.

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    Grammatically wrong.



    Your first (valid) example of "The bag is black" uses 'black' as an adjective.



    It would also be valid to say "The bag is black coloured"; here the word 'black' is used as a noun modifier for the adjective 'coloured'.



    Also idiomatic would be "The bag is black in colour" ('black' as adjective, 'colour' as noun).



    "The bag is [or has] a black colour" is also fine, as 'black colour' acts as a compound noun being used to express a quality, property or relationship of the bag (similar to "The tube is a cylinder", "The car has a door", "The man has a child").



    But in "The bag is black colour" you're saying the noun and the compound noun are equal, which they are not.






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      Grammatically wrong.



      Your first (valid) example of "The bag is black" uses 'black' as an adjective.



      It would also be valid to say "The bag is black coloured"; here the word 'black' is used as a noun modifier for the adjective 'coloured'.



      Also idiomatic would be "The bag is black in colour" ('black' as adjective, 'colour' as noun).



      "The bag is [or has] a black colour" is also fine, as 'black colour' acts as a compound noun being used to express a quality, property or relationship of the bag (similar to "The tube is a cylinder", "The car has a door", "The man has a child").



      But in "The bag is black colour" you're saying the noun and the compound noun are equal, which they are not.






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        Grammatically wrong.



        Your first (valid) example of "The bag is black" uses 'black' as an adjective.



        It would also be valid to say "The bag is black coloured"; here the word 'black' is used as a noun modifier for the adjective 'coloured'.



        Also idiomatic would be "The bag is black in colour" ('black' as adjective, 'colour' as noun).



        "The bag is [or has] a black colour" is also fine, as 'black colour' acts as a compound noun being used to express a quality, property or relationship of the bag (similar to "The tube is a cylinder", "The car has a door", "The man has a child").



        But in "The bag is black colour" you're saying the noun and the compound noun are equal, which they are not.






        share|improve this answer













        Grammatically wrong.



        Your first (valid) example of "The bag is black" uses 'black' as an adjective.



        It would also be valid to say "The bag is black coloured"; here the word 'black' is used as a noun modifier for the adjective 'coloured'.



        Also idiomatic would be "The bag is black in colour" ('black' as adjective, 'colour' as noun).



        "The bag is [or has] a black colour" is also fine, as 'black colour' acts as a compound noun being used to express a quality, property or relationship of the bag (similar to "The tube is a cylinder", "The car has a door", "The man has a child").



        But in "The bag is black colour" you're saying the noun and the compound noun are equal, which they are not.







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            *The bag is black colour




            This sentence is ungrammatical. The reason is that colour is a singular countable noun. Singular, countable nouns in English must have a determiner:




            • *I have pen

            • I have a pen/ the pen /my pen/ this pen/ one pen/ John 's pen / which pen/ any pen


            So you can say:




            • The bag is a black colour


            or you could use the adjective coloured




            • It's black coloured.


            However, neither of these is very good style, because everybody knows that black is a colour!






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              Black is the colour of my true love’s hair...

              – tchrist
              Oct 14 '14 at 14:20











            • @John, 1) thanks for the edit. 2) How'd you make the asterisk come out as an asterisk instead of a bullet point, which is what always happens to me?

              – Araucaria
              Oct 14 '14 at 15:10






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              @Araucaria: 1) You're welcome. 2) Put the asterisk directly before the first letter of the sentence, no space. That's the linguistic convention; it apparently also defeats the formatting favor that the software would otherwise do for your convenience. It's much harder to arrange when you're using italics for examples, which is also the linguistic convention.

              – John Lawler
              Oct 14 '14 at 15:13
















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            *The bag is black colour




            This sentence is ungrammatical. The reason is that colour is a singular countable noun. Singular, countable nouns in English must have a determiner:




            • *I have pen

            • I have a pen/ the pen /my pen/ this pen/ one pen/ John 's pen / which pen/ any pen


            So you can say:




            • The bag is a black colour


            or you could use the adjective coloured




            • It's black coloured.


            However, neither of these is very good style, because everybody knows that black is a colour!






            share|improve this answer





















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              Black is the colour of my true love’s hair...

              – tchrist
              Oct 14 '14 at 14:20











            • @John, 1) thanks for the edit. 2) How'd you make the asterisk come out as an asterisk instead of a bullet point, which is what always happens to me?

              – Araucaria
              Oct 14 '14 at 15:10






            • 2





              @Araucaria: 1) You're welcome. 2) Put the asterisk directly before the first letter of the sentence, no space. That's the linguistic convention; it apparently also defeats the formatting favor that the software would otherwise do for your convenience. It's much harder to arrange when you're using italics for examples, which is also the linguistic convention.

              – John Lawler
              Oct 14 '14 at 15:13














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            2








            *The bag is black colour




            This sentence is ungrammatical. The reason is that colour is a singular countable noun. Singular, countable nouns in English must have a determiner:




            • *I have pen

            • I have a pen/ the pen /my pen/ this pen/ one pen/ John 's pen / which pen/ any pen


            So you can say:




            • The bag is a black colour


            or you could use the adjective coloured




            • It's black coloured.


            However, neither of these is very good style, because everybody knows that black is a colour!






            share|improve this answer
















            *The bag is black colour




            This sentence is ungrammatical. The reason is that colour is a singular countable noun. Singular, countable nouns in English must have a determiner:




            • *I have pen

            • I have a pen/ the pen /my pen/ this pen/ one pen/ John 's pen / which pen/ any pen


            So you can say:




            • The bag is a black colour


            or you could use the adjective coloured




            • It's black coloured.


            However, neither of these is very good style, because everybody knows that black is a colour!







            share|improve this answer














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              Black is the colour of my true love’s hair...

              – tchrist
              Oct 14 '14 at 14:20











            • @John, 1) thanks for the edit. 2) How'd you make the asterisk come out as an asterisk instead of a bullet point, which is what always happens to me?

              – Araucaria
              Oct 14 '14 at 15:10






            • 2





              @Araucaria: 1) You're welcome. 2) Put the asterisk directly before the first letter of the sentence, no space. That's the linguistic convention; it apparently also defeats the formatting favor that the software would otherwise do for your convenience. It's much harder to arrange when you're using italics for examples, which is also the linguistic convention.

              – John Lawler
              Oct 14 '14 at 15:13














            • 2





              Black is the colour of my true love’s hair...

              – tchrist
              Oct 14 '14 at 14:20











            • @John, 1) thanks for the edit. 2) How'd you make the asterisk come out as an asterisk instead of a bullet point, which is what always happens to me?

              – Araucaria
              Oct 14 '14 at 15:10






            • 2





              @Araucaria: 1) You're welcome. 2) Put the asterisk directly before the first letter of the sentence, no space. That's the linguistic convention; it apparently also defeats the formatting favor that the software would otherwise do for your convenience. It's much harder to arrange when you're using italics for examples, which is also the linguistic convention.

              – John Lawler
              Oct 14 '14 at 15:13








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            Black is the colour of my true love’s hair...

            – tchrist
            Oct 14 '14 at 14:20





            Black is the colour of my true love’s hair...

            – tchrist
            Oct 14 '14 at 14:20













            @John, 1) thanks for the edit. 2) How'd you make the asterisk come out as an asterisk instead of a bullet point, which is what always happens to me?

            – Araucaria
            Oct 14 '14 at 15:10





            @John, 1) thanks for the edit. 2) How'd you make the asterisk come out as an asterisk instead of a bullet point, which is what always happens to me?

            – Araucaria
            Oct 14 '14 at 15:10




            2




            2





            @Araucaria: 1) You're welcome. 2) Put the asterisk directly before the first letter of the sentence, no space. That's the linguistic convention; it apparently also defeats the formatting favor that the software would otherwise do for your convenience. It's much harder to arrange when you're using italics for examples, which is also the linguistic convention.

            – John Lawler
            Oct 14 '14 at 15:13





            @Araucaria: 1) You're welcome. 2) Put the asterisk directly before the first letter of the sentence, no space. That's the linguistic convention; it apparently also defeats the formatting favor that the software would otherwise do for your convenience. It's much harder to arrange when you're using italics for examples, which is also the linguistic convention.

            – John Lawler
            Oct 14 '14 at 15:13











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            'The bag is black colour' is not grammatically acceptable I'm afraid and I would suggest;




            'The bag is black in colour'




            However, stating




            'The bag is black'




            is also fine, because black infers it is the colour of the bag that you are describing






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            • @Chenmunka: it's quite an explicit statement, so little is implied. If I would say the bag is coated in sooth, it implies that it is black.

              – oerkelens
              Oct 14 '14 at 12:43
















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            'The bag is black colour' is not grammatically acceptable I'm afraid and I would suggest;




            'The bag is black in colour'




            However, stating




            'The bag is black'




            is also fine, because black infers it is the colour of the bag that you are describing






            share|improve this answer
























            • @Chenmunka: it's quite an explicit statement, so little is implied. If I would say the bag is coated in sooth, it implies that it is black.

              – oerkelens
              Oct 14 '14 at 12:43














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            'The bag is black colour' is not grammatically acceptable I'm afraid and I would suggest;




            'The bag is black in colour'




            However, stating




            'The bag is black'




            is also fine, because black infers it is the colour of the bag that you are describing






            share|improve this answer













            'The bag is black colour' is not grammatically acceptable I'm afraid and I would suggest;




            'The bag is black in colour'




            However, stating




            'The bag is black'




            is also fine, because black infers it is the colour of the bag that you are describing







            share|improve this answer












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            • @Chenmunka: it's quite an explicit statement, so little is implied. If I would say the bag is coated in sooth, it implies that it is black.

              – oerkelens
              Oct 14 '14 at 12:43



















            • @Chenmunka: it's quite an explicit statement, so little is implied. If I would say the bag is coated in sooth, it implies that it is black.

              – oerkelens
              Oct 14 '14 at 12:43

















            @Chenmunka: it's quite an explicit statement, so little is implied. If I would say the bag is coated in sooth, it implies that it is black.

            – oerkelens
            Oct 14 '14 at 12:43





            @Chenmunka: it's quite an explicit statement, so little is implied. If I would say the bag is coated in sooth, it implies that it is black.

            – oerkelens
            Oct 14 '14 at 12:43











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            The usage is not right. More appropriate usage would be something like




            The bag is of the color, black.




            or instead just use,




            The bag is black in color.







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              The comma in your first example is superfluous. It would not be normally be present.

              – Chenmunka
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            The usage is not right. More appropriate usage would be something like




            The bag is of the color, black.




            or instead just use,




            The bag is black in color.







            share|improve this answer



















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              The comma in your first example is superfluous. It would not be normally be present.

              – Chenmunka
              Oct 14 '14 at 12:17














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            The usage is not right. More appropriate usage would be something like




            The bag is of the color, black.




            or instead just use,




            The bag is black in color.







            share|improve this answer













            The usage is not right. More appropriate usage would be something like




            The bag is of the color, black.




            or instead just use,




            The bag is black in color.








            share|improve this answer












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              The comma in your first example is superfluous. It would not be normally be present.

              – Chenmunka
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              The comma in your first example is superfluous. It would not be normally be present.

              – Chenmunka
              Oct 14 '14 at 12:17








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            The comma in your first example is superfluous. It would not be normally be present.

            – Chenmunka
            Oct 14 '14 at 12:17





            The comma in your first example is superfluous. It would not be normally be present.

            – Chenmunka
            Oct 14 '14 at 12:17





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