What is the correct term for the list that initializes the data members?











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  • One colleague says initializer list, another initialization
    list
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  • One SO answer says initializer list, another initialization
    list
    .


Which is the correct* terminology?



PS: They all talk about data member initializer/ation lists.





*If correct is ambiguous to you, you can fall back to the term used be the Standard.










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  • I've downvoted this because I think it is pointless to split hairs between the two variants of the term.
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  • @einpoklum thank for justifying your vote. You assume that I knew that there is no correct term, and both variants can be correct. I didn't, and I feel that I am not the only one. Sorry though for posting a pointless question that polluted your question feed.
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up vote
8
down vote

favorite













  • One colleague says initializer list, another initialization
    list
    .

  • One SO answer says initializer list, another initialization
    list
    .


Which is the correct* terminology?



PS: They all talk about data member initializer/ation lists.





*If correct is ambiguous to you, you can fall back to the term used be the Standard.










share|improve this question
























  • I've downvoted this because I think it is pointless to split hairs between the two variants of the term.
    – einpoklum
    2 days ago










  • @einpoklum thank for justifying your vote. You assume that I knew that there is no correct term, and both variants can be correct. I didn't, and I feel that I am not the only one. Sorry though for posting a pointless question that polluted your question feed.
    – gsamaras
    yesterday













up vote
8
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up vote
8
down vote

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  • One colleague says initializer list, another initialization
    list
    .

  • One SO answer says initializer list, another initialization
    list
    .


Which is the correct* terminology?



PS: They all talk about data member initializer/ation lists.





*If correct is ambiguous to you, you can fall back to the term used be the Standard.










share|improve this question
















  • One colleague says initializer list, another initialization
    list
    .

  • One SO answer says initializer list, another initialization
    list
    .


Which is the correct* terminology?



PS: They all talk about data member initializer/ation lists.





*If correct is ambiguous to you, you can fall back to the term used be the Standard.







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  • I've downvoted this because I think it is pointless to split hairs between the two variants of the term.
    – einpoklum
    2 days ago










  • @einpoklum thank for justifying your vote. You assume that I knew that there is no correct term, and both variants can be correct. I didn't, and I feel that I am not the only one. Sorry though for posting a pointless question that polluted your question feed.
    – gsamaras
    yesterday


















  • I've downvoted this because I think it is pointless to split hairs between the two variants of the term.
    – einpoklum
    2 days ago










  • @einpoklum thank for justifying your vote. You assume that I knew that there is no correct term, and both variants can be correct. I didn't, and I feel that I am not the only one. Sorry though for posting a pointless question that polluted your question feed.
    – gsamaras
    yesterday
















I've downvoted this because I think it is pointless to split hairs between the two variants of the term.
– einpoklum
2 days ago




I've downvoted this because I think it is pointless to split hairs between the two variants of the term.
– einpoklum
2 days ago












@einpoklum thank for justifying your vote. You assume that I knew that there is no correct term, and both variants can be correct. I didn't, and I feel that I am not the only one. Sorry though for posting a pointless question that polluted your question feed.
– gsamaras
yesterday




@einpoklum thank for justifying your vote. You assume that I knew that there is no correct term, and both variants can be correct. I didn't, and I feel that I am not the only one. Sorry though for posting a pointless question that polluted your question feed.
– gsamaras
yesterday












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Which is the correct terminology?




"Correct" being ambiguous, let's see what:




  1. The Standard calls it,

  2. The C++ gurus call it,

  3. The vulgus calls it.


The Standard




[lass.base.init]/1&2



1 In the definition of a constructor for a class, initializers for direct and virtual base class subobjects and non-static data members can be specified by a ctor-initializer, which has the form



ctor-initializer:
: mem-initializer-list

mem-initializer-list:
mem-initializer ...opt
mem-initializer-list , mem-initializer ...opt

mem-initializer:
mem-initializer-id ( expression-list opt )
mem-initializer-id braced-init-list

mem-initializer-id:
class-or-decltype
identifier


2 In a mem-initializer-id an initial unqualified identifier is looked up in the scope of the constructor's class and, if not found in that scope, it is looked up in the scope containing the constructor's definition. [ Note: If the constructor's class contains a member with the same name as a direct or virtual base class of the class, a mem-initializer-id naming the member or base class and composed of a single identifier refers to the class member. A mem-initializer-id for the hidden base class may be specified using a qualified name. — end note ] Unless the mem-initializer-id names the constructor's class, a non-static data member of the constructor's class, or a direct or virtual base of that class, the mem-initializer is ill-formed.




It's called a mem-initializer-list: this is a technical term I won't use personally.



The C++ guru



I'm currently watching the talks given at the CppCon2018, by likes of Herb Sutter, Kate Gregory, Timur Doumler, John Lakos, ... This is available on Youtube and I suggest you watch it too.



They use the term the initialiser list. Or when it's ambiguous the member initialiser list.



Now, let's compare some search results:



                               +----------------+-------------+
| Google scholar | Google book |
+------------------------------+----------------+-------------+
| "member initialization list" | 59 results | 948 results |
| "member initializer list" | 34 results | 553 results |
+------------------------------+----------------+-------------+


On written media, those gurus (well, everybody can write a paper or a book, but gurus tend to write more of those) call it the member initialization list most of the time.



Common C++ programmers



Well, there's the one that don't know what this is, and there's the one I've heard call it the initialiser list. I call it the initialiser list, even when talking in my mother tongue. In French, I've heard collegues call it what would translate to the initialisation list. There's some variation then I guess.



Conclusion



Call it the initialiser list. This is the correct term for me.






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    CPP standard draft N4713 states:




    15.6.2 Initializing bases and members [class.base.init]



    3 A mem-initializer-list can initialize a base class using any class-or-decltype that denotes that base class type.



    struct A { A(); }; 
    typedef A global_A;
    struct B { };
    struct C: public A, public B { C(); };
    C::C(): global_A() { } // mem-initializer for base A


    5 A ctor-initializer may initialize a variant member of the constructor’s class. If a ctor-initializer specifies more than one mem-initializer for the same member or for the same base class, the ctor-initializer is ill-formed.





    • Bjarne Stroustrup uses the term member initializer list in his book "The C++ Programming Language" 4th Edition.


    • Scott Meyers uses the term member initialization list in his book "Effective C++" Item 4. He does not use the term used by the standard.


    • Online CPP FAQ (https://isocpp.org) uses the term constructor’s initialization list.







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      The C++ standards - to date at least - only use the syntactic description mem-initializer-list which is specified as part of the parsing rules. The description is in a section entitled "Initializing bases and members" in all versions of the C++ standard dated 1998 and later. The section number does change (e.g. it's 12.6.2 in C++98, and 15.6.2 in C++17).



      There is no english language description in the standard. Conventionally, people therefore use whatever wording that they consider represents the concept.



      Personally, I use the term "initialiser list" since I am an english speaker in a country with accepted language more influenced by the United Kingdom than the United States.






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        Which is the correct terminology?




        "Correct" being ambiguous, let's see what:




        1. The Standard calls it,

        2. The C++ gurus call it,

        3. The vulgus calls it.


        The Standard




        [lass.base.init]/1&2



        1 In the definition of a constructor for a class, initializers for direct and virtual base class subobjects and non-static data members can be specified by a ctor-initializer, which has the form



        ctor-initializer:
        : mem-initializer-list

        mem-initializer-list:
        mem-initializer ...opt
        mem-initializer-list , mem-initializer ...opt

        mem-initializer:
        mem-initializer-id ( expression-list opt )
        mem-initializer-id braced-init-list

        mem-initializer-id:
        class-or-decltype
        identifier


        2 In a mem-initializer-id an initial unqualified identifier is looked up in the scope of the constructor's class and, if not found in that scope, it is looked up in the scope containing the constructor's definition. [ Note: If the constructor's class contains a member with the same name as a direct or virtual base class of the class, a mem-initializer-id naming the member or base class and composed of a single identifier refers to the class member. A mem-initializer-id for the hidden base class may be specified using a qualified name. — end note ] Unless the mem-initializer-id names the constructor's class, a non-static data member of the constructor's class, or a direct or virtual base of that class, the mem-initializer is ill-formed.




        It's called a mem-initializer-list: this is a technical term I won't use personally.



        The C++ guru



        I'm currently watching the talks given at the CppCon2018, by likes of Herb Sutter, Kate Gregory, Timur Doumler, John Lakos, ... This is available on Youtube and I suggest you watch it too.



        They use the term the initialiser list. Or when it's ambiguous the member initialiser list.



        Now, let's compare some search results:



                                       +----------------+-------------+
        | Google scholar | Google book |
        +------------------------------+----------------+-------------+
        | "member initialization list" | 59 results | 948 results |
        | "member initializer list" | 34 results | 553 results |
        +------------------------------+----------------+-------------+


        On written media, those gurus (well, everybody can write a paper or a book, but gurus tend to write more of those) call it the member initialization list most of the time.



        Common C++ programmers



        Well, there's the one that don't know what this is, and there's the one I've heard call it the initialiser list. I call it the initialiser list, even when talking in my mother tongue. In French, I've heard collegues call it what would translate to the initialisation list. There's some variation then I guess.



        Conclusion



        Call it the initialiser list. This is the correct term for me.






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          up vote
          10
          down vote














          Which is the correct terminology?




          "Correct" being ambiguous, let's see what:




          1. The Standard calls it,

          2. The C++ gurus call it,

          3. The vulgus calls it.


          The Standard




          [lass.base.init]/1&2



          1 In the definition of a constructor for a class, initializers for direct and virtual base class subobjects and non-static data members can be specified by a ctor-initializer, which has the form



          ctor-initializer:
          : mem-initializer-list

          mem-initializer-list:
          mem-initializer ...opt
          mem-initializer-list , mem-initializer ...opt

          mem-initializer:
          mem-initializer-id ( expression-list opt )
          mem-initializer-id braced-init-list

          mem-initializer-id:
          class-or-decltype
          identifier


          2 In a mem-initializer-id an initial unqualified identifier is looked up in the scope of the constructor's class and, if not found in that scope, it is looked up in the scope containing the constructor's definition. [ Note: If the constructor's class contains a member with the same name as a direct or virtual base class of the class, a mem-initializer-id naming the member or base class and composed of a single identifier refers to the class member. A mem-initializer-id for the hidden base class may be specified using a qualified name. — end note ] Unless the mem-initializer-id names the constructor's class, a non-static data member of the constructor's class, or a direct or virtual base of that class, the mem-initializer is ill-formed.




          It's called a mem-initializer-list: this is a technical term I won't use personally.



          The C++ guru



          I'm currently watching the talks given at the CppCon2018, by likes of Herb Sutter, Kate Gregory, Timur Doumler, John Lakos, ... This is available on Youtube and I suggest you watch it too.



          They use the term the initialiser list. Or when it's ambiguous the member initialiser list.



          Now, let's compare some search results:



                                         +----------------+-------------+
          | Google scholar | Google book |
          +------------------------------+----------------+-------------+
          | "member initialization list" | 59 results | 948 results |
          | "member initializer list" | 34 results | 553 results |
          +------------------------------+----------------+-------------+


          On written media, those gurus (well, everybody can write a paper or a book, but gurus tend to write more of those) call it the member initialization list most of the time.



          Common C++ programmers



          Well, there's the one that don't know what this is, and there's the one I've heard call it the initialiser list. I call it the initialiser list, even when talking in my mother tongue. In French, I've heard collegues call it what would translate to the initialisation list. There's some variation then I guess.



          Conclusion



          Call it the initialiser list. This is the correct term for me.






          share|improve this answer

























            up vote
            10
            down vote










            up vote
            10
            down vote










            Which is the correct terminology?




            "Correct" being ambiguous, let's see what:




            1. The Standard calls it,

            2. The C++ gurus call it,

            3. The vulgus calls it.


            The Standard




            [lass.base.init]/1&2



            1 In the definition of a constructor for a class, initializers for direct and virtual base class subobjects and non-static data members can be specified by a ctor-initializer, which has the form



            ctor-initializer:
            : mem-initializer-list

            mem-initializer-list:
            mem-initializer ...opt
            mem-initializer-list , mem-initializer ...opt

            mem-initializer:
            mem-initializer-id ( expression-list opt )
            mem-initializer-id braced-init-list

            mem-initializer-id:
            class-or-decltype
            identifier


            2 In a mem-initializer-id an initial unqualified identifier is looked up in the scope of the constructor's class and, if not found in that scope, it is looked up in the scope containing the constructor's definition. [ Note: If the constructor's class contains a member with the same name as a direct or virtual base class of the class, a mem-initializer-id naming the member or base class and composed of a single identifier refers to the class member. A mem-initializer-id for the hidden base class may be specified using a qualified name. — end note ] Unless the mem-initializer-id names the constructor's class, a non-static data member of the constructor's class, or a direct or virtual base of that class, the mem-initializer is ill-formed.




            It's called a mem-initializer-list: this is a technical term I won't use personally.



            The C++ guru



            I'm currently watching the talks given at the CppCon2018, by likes of Herb Sutter, Kate Gregory, Timur Doumler, John Lakos, ... This is available on Youtube and I suggest you watch it too.



            They use the term the initialiser list. Or when it's ambiguous the member initialiser list.



            Now, let's compare some search results:



                                           +----------------+-------------+
            | Google scholar | Google book |
            +------------------------------+----------------+-------------+
            | "member initialization list" | 59 results | 948 results |
            | "member initializer list" | 34 results | 553 results |
            +------------------------------+----------------+-------------+


            On written media, those gurus (well, everybody can write a paper or a book, but gurus tend to write more of those) call it the member initialization list most of the time.



            Common C++ programmers



            Well, there's the one that don't know what this is, and there's the one I've heard call it the initialiser list. I call it the initialiser list, even when talking in my mother tongue. In French, I've heard collegues call it what would translate to the initialisation list. There's some variation then I guess.



            Conclusion



            Call it the initialiser list. This is the correct term for me.






            share|improve this answer















            Which is the correct terminology?




            "Correct" being ambiguous, let's see what:




            1. The Standard calls it,

            2. The C++ gurus call it,

            3. The vulgus calls it.


            The Standard




            [lass.base.init]/1&2



            1 In the definition of a constructor for a class, initializers for direct and virtual base class subobjects and non-static data members can be specified by a ctor-initializer, which has the form



            ctor-initializer:
            : mem-initializer-list

            mem-initializer-list:
            mem-initializer ...opt
            mem-initializer-list , mem-initializer ...opt

            mem-initializer:
            mem-initializer-id ( expression-list opt )
            mem-initializer-id braced-init-list

            mem-initializer-id:
            class-or-decltype
            identifier


            2 In a mem-initializer-id an initial unqualified identifier is looked up in the scope of the constructor's class and, if not found in that scope, it is looked up in the scope containing the constructor's definition. [ Note: If the constructor's class contains a member with the same name as a direct or virtual base class of the class, a mem-initializer-id naming the member or base class and composed of a single identifier refers to the class member. A mem-initializer-id for the hidden base class may be specified using a qualified name. — end note ] Unless the mem-initializer-id names the constructor's class, a non-static data member of the constructor's class, or a direct or virtual base of that class, the mem-initializer is ill-formed.




            It's called a mem-initializer-list: this is a technical term I won't use personally.



            The C++ guru



            I'm currently watching the talks given at the CppCon2018, by likes of Herb Sutter, Kate Gregory, Timur Doumler, John Lakos, ... This is available on Youtube and I suggest you watch it too.



            They use the term the initialiser list. Or when it's ambiguous the member initialiser list.



            Now, let's compare some search results:



                                           +----------------+-------------+
            | Google scholar | Google book |
            +------------------------------+----------------+-------------+
            | "member initialization list" | 59 results | 948 results |
            | "member initializer list" | 34 results | 553 results |
            +------------------------------+----------------+-------------+


            On written media, those gurus (well, everybody can write a paper or a book, but gurus tend to write more of those) call it the member initialization list most of the time.



            Common C++ programmers



            Well, there's the one that don't know what this is, and there's the one I've heard call it the initialiser list. I call it the initialiser list, even when talking in my mother tongue. In French, I've heard collegues call it what would translate to the initialisation list. There's some variation then I guess.



            Conclusion



            Call it the initialiser list. This is the correct term for me.







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                down vote













                CPP standard draft N4713 states:




                15.6.2 Initializing bases and members [class.base.init]



                3 A mem-initializer-list can initialize a base class using any class-or-decltype that denotes that base class type.



                struct A { A(); }; 
                typedef A global_A;
                struct B { };
                struct C: public A, public B { C(); };
                C::C(): global_A() { } // mem-initializer for base A


                5 A ctor-initializer may initialize a variant member of the constructor’s class. If a ctor-initializer specifies more than one mem-initializer for the same member or for the same base class, the ctor-initializer is ill-formed.





                • Bjarne Stroustrup uses the term member initializer list in his book "The C++ Programming Language" 4th Edition.


                • Scott Meyers uses the term member initialization list in his book "Effective C++" Item 4. He does not use the term used by the standard.


                • Online CPP FAQ (https://isocpp.org) uses the term constructor’s initialization list.







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                  CPP standard draft N4713 states:




                  15.6.2 Initializing bases and members [class.base.init]



                  3 A mem-initializer-list can initialize a base class using any class-or-decltype that denotes that base class type.



                  struct A { A(); }; 
                  typedef A global_A;
                  struct B { };
                  struct C: public A, public B { C(); };
                  C::C(): global_A() { } // mem-initializer for base A


                  5 A ctor-initializer may initialize a variant member of the constructor’s class. If a ctor-initializer specifies more than one mem-initializer for the same member or for the same base class, the ctor-initializer is ill-formed.





                  • Bjarne Stroustrup uses the term member initializer list in his book "The C++ Programming Language" 4th Edition.


                  • Scott Meyers uses the term member initialization list in his book "Effective C++" Item 4. He does not use the term used by the standard.


                  • Online CPP FAQ (https://isocpp.org) uses the term constructor’s initialization list.







                  share|improve this answer

























                    up vote
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                    down vote










                    up vote
                    3
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                    CPP standard draft N4713 states:




                    15.6.2 Initializing bases and members [class.base.init]



                    3 A mem-initializer-list can initialize a base class using any class-or-decltype that denotes that base class type.



                    struct A { A(); }; 
                    typedef A global_A;
                    struct B { };
                    struct C: public A, public B { C(); };
                    C::C(): global_A() { } // mem-initializer for base A


                    5 A ctor-initializer may initialize a variant member of the constructor’s class. If a ctor-initializer specifies more than one mem-initializer for the same member or for the same base class, the ctor-initializer is ill-formed.





                    • Bjarne Stroustrup uses the term member initializer list in his book "The C++ Programming Language" 4th Edition.


                    • Scott Meyers uses the term member initialization list in his book "Effective C++" Item 4. He does not use the term used by the standard.


                    • Online CPP FAQ (https://isocpp.org) uses the term constructor’s initialization list.







                    share|improve this answer














                    CPP standard draft N4713 states:




                    15.6.2 Initializing bases and members [class.base.init]



                    3 A mem-initializer-list can initialize a base class using any class-or-decltype that denotes that base class type.



                    struct A { A(); }; 
                    typedef A global_A;
                    struct B { };
                    struct C: public A, public B { C(); };
                    C::C(): global_A() { } // mem-initializer for base A


                    5 A ctor-initializer may initialize a variant member of the constructor’s class. If a ctor-initializer specifies more than one mem-initializer for the same member or for the same base class, the ctor-initializer is ill-formed.





                    • Bjarne Stroustrup uses the term member initializer list in his book "The C++ Programming Language" 4th Edition.


                    • Scott Meyers uses the term member initialization list in his book "Effective C++" Item 4. He does not use the term used by the standard.


                    • Online CPP FAQ (https://isocpp.org) uses the term constructor’s initialization list.








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                        The C++ standards - to date at least - only use the syntactic description mem-initializer-list which is specified as part of the parsing rules. The description is in a section entitled "Initializing bases and members" in all versions of the C++ standard dated 1998 and later. The section number does change (e.g. it's 12.6.2 in C++98, and 15.6.2 in C++17).



                        There is no english language description in the standard. Conventionally, people therefore use whatever wording that they consider represents the concept.



                        Personally, I use the term "initialiser list" since I am an english speaker in a country with accepted language more influenced by the United Kingdom than the United States.






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                          The C++ standards - to date at least - only use the syntactic description mem-initializer-list which is specified as part of the parsing rules. The description is in a section entitled "Initializing bases and members" in all versions of the C++ standard dated 1998 and later. The section number does change (e.g. it's 12.6.2 in C++98, and 15.6.2 in C++17).



                          There is no english language description in the standard. Conventionally, people therefore use whatever wording that they consider represents the concept.



                          Personally, I use the term "initialiser list" since I am an english speaker in a country with accepted language more influenced by the United Kingdom than the United States.






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                            The C++ standards - to date at least - only use the syntactic description mem-initializer-list which is specified as part of the parsing rules. The description is in a section entitled "Initializing bases and members" in all versions of the C++ standard dated 1998 and later. The section number does change (e.g. it's 12.6.2 in C++98, and 15.6.2 in C++17).



                            There is no english language description in the standard. Conventionally, people therefore use whatever wording that they consider represents the concept.



                            Personally, I use the term "initialiser list" since I am an english speaker in a country with accepted language more influenced by the United Kingdom than the United States.






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                            The C++ standards - to date at least - only use the syntactic description mem-initializer-list which is specified as part of the parsing rules. The description is in a section entitled "Initializing bases and members" in all versions of the C++ standard dated 1998 and later. The section number does change (e.g. it's 12.6.2 in C++98, and 15.6.2 in C++17).



                            There is no english language description in the standard. Conventionally, people therefore use whatever wording that they consider represents the concept.



                            Personally, I use the term "initialiser list" since I am an english speaker in a country with accepted language more influenced by the United Kingdom than the United States.







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