Are these 'French children held at gun point'?
I've come across this post on facebook several times now. The video shows a group of young people kneeling on the ground with police around them. The text attached is as follows:
School children in France held at gun-point for peacefully protesting outside their school.
The Centrist paradise that we were told Macron would provide seems not to be coming true.
Let me reiterate these are School children and not Adults.
Are these people actually being 'held at gun-point' for peacefully protesting in France?
Links to other versions I've found:
Twitter
The telegraph
france police
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I've come across this post on facebook several times now. The video shows a group of young people kneeling on the ground with police around them. The text attached is as follows:
School children in France held at gun-point for peacefully protesting outside their school.
The Centrist paradise that we were told Macron would provide seems not to be coming true.
Let me reiterate these are School children and not Adults.
Are these people actually being 'held at gun-point' for peacefully protesting in France?
Links to other versions I've found:
Twitter
The telegraph
france police
asked Dec 9 at 8:53
Lio Elbammalf
702139
add a comment |
I've come across this post on facebook several times now. The video shows a group of young people kneeling on the ground with police around them. The text attached is as follows:
School children in France held at gun-point for peacefully protesting outside their school.
The Centrist paradise that we were told Macron would provide seems not to be coming true.
Let me reiterate these are School children and not Adults.
Are these people actually being 'held at gun-point' for peacefully protesting in France?
Links to other versions I've found:
Twitter
The telegraph
france police
asked Dec 9 at 8:53
Lio Elbammalf
702139
I've come across this post on facebook several times now. The video shows a group of young people kneeling on the ground with police around them. The text attached is as follows:
School children in France held at gun-point for peacefully protesting outside their school.
The Centrist paradise that we were told Macron would provide seems not to be coming true.
Let me reiterate these are School children and not Adults.
Are these people actually being 'held at gun-point' for peacefully protesting in France?
Links to other versions I've found:
Twitter
The telegraph
france police
france police
asked Dec 9 at 8:53
Lio Elbammalf
702139
asked Dec 9 at 8:53
Lio Elbammalf
702139
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Lio Elbammalf
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Are they being held? Yes.
The Telegraph article you quote has the key facts. This article in Le Monde (Google Translate) has more details.
Are they children? Technically yes.
The Le Monde article says they were students at the Lycée Jean-Rostand. In France a lycée is for students aged from 15 to 18. So yes they are likely to be mostly minors, but still older than the word "children" generally implies. Le Monde states that out of the whole 190 people arrested in the Yvelines Department the youngest was 12 and the oldest was 20, but does not give exact details for the arrests in the video.
At gun point? Almost certainly not.
The Telegraph describes the police as "armed", but the videos do not seem to show any drawn guns. Some of the police are holding batons, but that seems to be the limit of the threat. The uniforms saying "Police" indicate that this is the "Police Nationale". In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for "Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention", a specialized riot control corps (Google Translate) within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The "78" indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78). According to that page the riot police carry batons and shields as standard, but firearms are available to them if circumstances require it. The Le Monde article describes the authorities exercising restraint the previous day, so it seems unlikely that they would have issued firearms for a planned operation to detain a crowd of teenagers.
For peacefully protesting? No.
The following is from the Google Translate of the Le Monde article:
The escalation of violence continued the next day. The gathering of some 300 students in front of the Lycée Jean-Rostand quickly degenerated with "barricades fires" followed by "throwing rocks and pebbles on the police," says the same witness . In parallel, a small group entered the surrounding homes to steal a dozen bottles of gas, which would have been thrown into a trash. "But, fortunately, they did not explode," says the inhabitant, who saw the young people then heading to Val-Fourré.
The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot. From the Google Translation of the article:
Thursday morning, the first bins were burned around 9 am in Saint-Exupéry before two vehicles ignited in the parking of the ice rink, 300 meters from the hotel. "The high school students wanted to block the entrance to the school, located at the end of a dead end, but they quickly turned around, because the police, who was hiding around, was waiting for them, details a resident.
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I don't know if the solid "no" in your last section is necessarily true. Clearly, some students participated in violence, but what you've provided doesn't establish (a) how many of those were had engaged in violence, or (b) the motives of the police for the arrests . In other words, it's possible that some non-violently protesting students were arrested for protesting, with the previous violence as the justification.
– Obie 2.0
Dec 13 at 1:58
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It was most certainly peaceful, only the unlawful oppression of the multinationals and by extension the state, was acted against. Since we do not accept any laws made by such organizations, they are not democratically chosen, the actions were well within the peaceful bounds.
– paul23
Dec 13 at 3:41
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@paul23: What's being protested against (and whether the protest is justified) has no bearing on whether it was peaceful. Whether it's justified is a matter of opinion; whether it was peaceful or not is a matter of fact (...to the degree that people collectively agree on the definition of "violence").
– V2Blast
Dec 13 at 3:54
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@paul23 France is a democracy and companies in France are regulated by the democratically elected government. Also I think it unlikely that all the burned cars were owned by multinational corporations. So the "no" stays.
– Paul Johnson
Dec 13 at 9:41
@paul23 So setting cars on fire etc. is peaceful? They've set cars ablaze from people that have nothing to do with what they're protesting for. And throwing rocks at police...? They're just people too, so it sure as hell is violence.
– EpicKip
Dec 13 at 15:22
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Are they being held? Yes.
The Telegraph article you quote has the key facts. This article in Le Monde (Google Translate) has more details.
Are they children? Technically yes.
The Le Monde article says they were students at the Lycée Jean-Rostand. In France a lycée is for students aged from 15 to 18. So yes they are likely to be mostly minors, but still older than the word "children" generally implies. Le Monde states that out of the whole 190 people arrested in the Yvelines Department the youngest was 12 and the oldest was 20, but does not give exact details for the arrests in the video.
At gun point? Almost certainly not.
The Telegraph describes the police as "armed", but the videos do not seem to show any drawn guns. Some of the police are holding batons, but that seems to be the limit of the threat. The uniforms saying "Police" indicate that this is the "Police Nationale". In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for "Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention", a specialized riot control corps (Google Translate) within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The "78" indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78). According to that page the riot police carry batons and shields as standard, but firearms are available to them if circumstances require it. The Le Monde article describes the authorities exercising restraint the previous day, so it seems unlikely that they would have issued firearms for a planned operation to detain a crowd of teenagers.
For peacefully protesting? No.
The following is from the Google Translate of the Le Monde article:
The escalation of violence continued the next day. The gathering of some 300 students in front of the Lycée Jean-Rostand quickly degenerated with "barricades fires" followed by "throwing rocks and pebbles on the police," says the same witness . In parallel, a small group entered the surrounding homes to steal a dozen bottles of gas, which would have been thrown into a trash. "But, fortunately, they did not explode," says the inhabitant, who saw the young people then heading to Val-Fourré.
The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot. From the Google Translation of the article:
Thursday morning, the first bins were burned around 9 am in Saint-Exupéry before two vehicles ignited in the parking of the ice rink, 300 meters from the hotel. "The high school students wanted to block the entrance to the school, located at the end of a dead end, but they quickly turned around, because the police, who was hiding around, was waiting for them, details a resident.
edited Dec 10 at 9:49
David Mulder
2,41421337
answered Dec 9 at 9:41
Paul Johnson
7,26352440
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I don't know if the solid "no" in your last section is necessarily true. Clearly, some students participated in violence, but what you've provided doesn't establish (a) how many of those were had engaged in violence, or (b) the motives of the police for the arrests . In other words, it's possible that some non-violently protesting students were arrested for protesting, with the previous violence as the justification.
– Obie 2.0
Dec 13 at 1:58
1
It was most certainly peaceful, only the unlawful oppression of the multinationals and by extension the state, was acted against. Since we do not accept any laws made by such organizations, they are not democratically chosen, the actions were well within the peaceful bounds.
– paul23
Dec 13 at 3:41
8
@paul23: What's being protested against (and whether the protest is justified) has no bearing on whether it was peaceful. Whether it's justified is a matter of opinion; whether it was peaceful or not is a matter of fact (...to the degree that people collectively agree on the definition of "violence").
– V2Blast
Dec 13 at 3:54
9
@paul23 France is a democracy and companies in France are regulated by the democratically elected government. Also I think it unlikely that all the burned cars were owned by multinational corporations. So the "no" stays.
– Paul Johnson
Dec 13 at 9:41
@paul23 So setting cars on fire etc. is peaceful? They've set cars ablaze from people that have nothing to do with what they're protesting for. And throwing rocks at police...? They're just people too, so it sure as hell is violence.
– EpicKip
Dec 13 at 15:22
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Are they being held? Yes.
The Telegraph article you quote has the key facts. This article in Le Monde (Google Translate) has more details.
Are they children? Technically yes.
The Le Monde article says they were students at the Lycée Jean-Rostand. In France a lycée is for students aged from 15 to 18. So yes they are likely to be mostly minors, but still older than the word "children" generally implies. Le Monde states that out of the whole 190 people arrested in the Yvelines Department the youngest was 12 and the oldest was 20, but does not give exact details for the arrests in the video.
At gun point? Almost certainly not.
The Telegraph describes the police as "armed", but the videos do not seem to show any drawn guns. Some of the police are holding batons, but that seems to be the limit of the threat. The uniforms saying "Police" indicate that this is the "Police Nationale". In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for "Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention", a specialized riot control corps (Google Translate) within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The "78" indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78). According to that page the riot police carry batons and shields as standard, but firearms are available to them if circumstances require it. The Le Monde article describes the authorities exercising restraint the previous day, so it seems unlikely that they would have issued firearms for a planned operation to detain a crowd of teenagers.
For peacefully protesting? No.
The following is from the Google Translate of the Le Monde article:
The escalation of violence continued the next day. The gathering of some 300 students in front of the Lycée Jean-Rostand quickly degenerated with "barricades fires" followed by "throwing rocks and pebbles on the police," says the same witness . In parallel, a small group entered the surrounding homes to steal a dozen bottles of gas, which would have been thrown into a trash. "But, fortunately, they did not explode," says the inhabitant, who saw the young people then heading to Val-Fourré.
The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot. From the Google Translation of the article:
Thursday morning, the first bins were burned around 9 am in Saint-Exupéry before two vehicles ignited in the parking of the ice rink, 300 meters from the hotel. "The high school students wanted to block the entrance to the school, located at the end of a dead end, but they quickly turned around, because the police, who was hiding around, was waiting for them, details a resident.
edited Dec 10 at 9:49
David Mulder
2,41421337
answered Dec 9 at 9:41
Paul Johnson
7,26352440
6
I don't know if the solid "no" in your last section is necessarily true. Clearly, some students participated in violence, but what you've provided doesn't establish (a) how many of those were had engaged in violence, or (b) the motives of the police for the arrests . In other words, it's possible that some non-violently protesting students were arrested for protesting, with the previous violence as the justification.
– Obie 2.0
Dec 13 at 1:58
1
It was most certainly peaceful, only the unlawful oppression of the multinationals and by extension the state, was acted against. Since we do not accept any laws made by such organizations, they are not democratically chosen, the actions were well within the peaceful bounds.
– paul23
Dec 13 at 3:41
8
@paul23: What's being protested against (and whether the protest is justified) has no bearing on whether it was peaceful. Whether it's justified is a matter of opinion; whether it was peaceful or not is a matter of fact (...to the degree that people collectively agree on the definition of "violence").
– V2Blast
Dec 13 at 3:54
9
@paul23 France is a democracy and companies in France are regulated by the democratically elected government. Also I think it unlikely that all the burned cars were owned by multinational corporations. So the "no" stays.
– Paul Johnson
Dec 13 at 9:41
@paul23 So setting cars on fire etc. is peaceful? They've set cars ablaze from people that have nothing to do with what they're protesting for. And throwing rocks at police...? They're just people too, so it sure as hell is violence.
– EpicKip
Dec 13 at 15:22
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Are they being held? Yes.
The Telegraph article you quote has the key facts. This article in Le Monde (Google Translate) has more details.
Are they children? Technically yes.
The Le Monde article says they were students at the Lycée Jean-Rostand. In France a lycée is for students aged from 15 to 18. So yes they are likely to be mostly minors, but still older than the word "children" generally implies. Le Monde states that out of the whole 190 people arrested in the Yvelines Department the youngest was 12 and the oldest was 20, but does not give exact details for the arrests in the video.
At gun point? Almost certainly not.
The Telegraph describes the police as "armed", but the videos do not seem to show any drawn guns. Some of the police are holding batons, but that seems to be the limit of the threat. The uniforms saying "Police" indicate that this is the "Police Nationale". In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for "Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention", a specialized riot control corps (Google Translate) within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The "78" indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78). According to that page the riot police carry batons and shields as standard, but firearms are available to them if circumstances require it. The Le Monde article describes the authorities exercising restraint the previous day, so it seems unlikely that they would have issued firearms for a planned operation to detain a crowd of teenagers.
For peacefully protesting? No.
The following is from the Google Translate of the Le Monde article:
The escalation of violence continued the next day. The gathering of some 300 students in front of the Lycée Jean-Rostand quickly degenerated with "barricades fires" followed by "throwing rocks and pebbles on the police," says the same witness . In parallel, a small group entered the surrounding homes to steal a dozen bottles of gas, which would have been thrown into a trash. "But, fortunately, they did not explode," says the inhabitant, who saw the young people then heading to Val-Fourré.
The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot. From the Google Translation of the article:
Thursday morning, the first bins were burned around 9 am in Saint-Exupéry before two vehicles ignited in the parking of the ice rink, 300 meters from the hotel. "The high school students wanted to block the entrance to the school, located at the end of a dead end, but they quickly turned around, because the police, who was hiding around, was waiting for them, details a resident.
edited Dec 10 at 9:49
David Mulder
2,41421337
answered Dec 9 at 9:41
Paul Johnson
7,26352440
Are they being held? Yes.
The Telegraph article you quote has the key facts. This article in Le Monde (Google Translate) has more details.
Are they children? Technically yes.
The Le Monde article says they were students at the Lycée Jean-Rostand. In France a lycée is for students aged from 15 to 18. So yes they are likely to be mostly minors, but still older than the word "children" generally implies. Le Monde states that out of the whole 190 people arrested in the Yvelines Department the youngest was 12 and the oldest was 20, but does not give exact details for the arrests in the video.
At gun point? Almost certainly not.
The Telegraph describes the police as "armed", but the videos do not seem to show any drawn guns. Some of the police are holding batons, but that seems to be the limit of the threat. The uniforms saying "Police" indicate that this is the "Police Nationale". In this particular case, several outfits are marked CSI 78, which stands for "Compagnie de sécurisation et d'intervention", a specialized riot control corps (Google Translate) within the police, for Paris and close suburbs. The "78" indicates these men belong in the Yvelines departement (#78). According to that page the riot police carry batons and shields as standard, but firearms are available to them if circumstances require it. The Le Monde article describes the authorities exercising restraint the previous day, so it seems unlikely that they would have issued firearms for a planned operation to detain a crowd of teenagers.
For peacefully protesting? No.
The following is from the Google Translate of the Le Monde article:
The escalation of violence continued the next day. The gathering of some 300 students in front of the Lycée Jean-Rostand quickly degenerated with "barricades fires" followed by "throwing rocks and pebbles on the police," says the same witness . In parallel, a small group entered the surrounding homes to steal a dozen bottles of gas, which would have been thrown into a trash. "But, fortunately, they did not explode," says the inhabitant, who saw the young people then heading to Val-Fourré.
The following day the students attempted to demonstrate again, but this time the police were ready for them and arrested everyone present. That is when this video was shot. From the Google Translation of the article:
Thursday morning, the first bins were burned around 9 am in Saint-Exupéry before two vehicles ignited in the parking of the ice rink, 300 meters from the hotel. "The high school students wanted to block the entrance to the school, located at the end of a dead end, but they quickly turned around, because the police, who was hiding around, was waiting for them, details a resident.
edited Dec 10 at 9:49
David Mulder
2,41421337
answered Dec 9 at 9:41
Paul Johnson
7,26352440
edited Dec 10 at 9:49
David Mulder
2,41421337
edited Dec 10 at 9:49
David Mulder
2,41421337
edited Dec 10 at 9:49
David Mulder
2,41421337
2,41421337
answered Dec 9 at 9:41
Paul Johnson
7,26352440
answered Dec 9 at 9:41
Paul Johnson
7,26352440
answered Dec 9 at 9:41
Paul Johnson
7,26352440
7,26352440
6
I don't know if the solid "no" in your last section is necessarily true. Clearly, some students participated in violence, but what you've provided doesn't establish (a) how many of those were had engaged in violence, or (b) the motives of the police for the arrests . In other words, it's possible that some non-violently protesting students were arrested for protesting, with the previous violence as the justification.
– Obie 2.0
Dec 13 at 1:58
1
It was most certainly peaceful, only the unlawful oppression of the multinationals and by extension the state, was acted against. Since we do not accept any laws made by such organizations, they are not democratically chosen, the actions were well within the peaceful bounds.
– paul23
Dec 13 at 3:41
8
@paul23: What's being protested against (and whether the protest is justified) has no bearing on whether it was peaceful. Whether it's justified is a matter of opinion; whether it was peaceful or not is a matter of fact (...to the degree that people collectively agree on the definition of "violence").
– V2Blast
Dec 13 at 3:54
9
@paul23 France is a democracy and companies in France are regulated by the democratically elected government. Also I think it unlikely that all the burned cars were owned by multinational corporations. So the "no" stays.
– Paul Johnson
Dec 13 at 9:41
@paul23 So setting cars on fire etc. is peaceful? They've set cars ablaze from people that have nothing to do with what they're protesting for. And throwing rocks at police...? They're just people too, so it sure as hell is violence.
– EpicKip
Dec 13 at 15:22
add a comment |
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I don't know if the solid "no" in your last section is necessarily true. Clearly, some students participated in violence, but what you've provided doesn't establish (a) how many of those were had engaged in violence, or (b) the motives of the police for the arrests . In other words, it's possible that some non-violently protesting students were arrested for protesting, with the previous violence as the justification.
– Obie 2.0
Dec 13 at 1:58
1
It was most certainly peaceful, only the unlawful oppression of the multinationals and by extension the state, was acted against. Since we do not accept any laws made by such organizations, they are not democratically chosen, the actions were well within the peaceful bounds.
– paul23
Dec 13 at 3:41
8
@paul23: What's being protested against (and whether the protest is justified) has no bearing on whether it was peaceful. Whether it's justified is a matter of opinion; whether it was peaceful or not is a matter of fact (...to the degree that people collectively agree on the definition of "violence").
– V2Blast
Dec 13 at 3:54
9
@paul23 France is a democracy and companies in France are regulated by the democratically elected government. Also I think it unlikely that all the burned cars were owned by multinational corporations. So the "no" stays.
– Paul Johnson
Dec 13 at 9:41
@paul23 So setting cars on fire etc. is peaceful? They've set cars ablaze from people that have nothing to do with what they're protesting for. And throwing rocks at police...? They're just people too, so it sure as hell is violence.
– EpicKip
Dec 13 at 15:22
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I don't know if the solid "no" in your last section is necessarily true. Clearly, some students participated in violence, but what you've provided doesn't establish (a) how many of those were had engaged in violence, or (b) the motives of the police for the arrests . In other words, it's possible that some non-violently protesting students were arrested for protesting, with the previous violence as the justification.
– Obie 2.0
Dec 13 at 1:58
I don't know if the solid "no" in your last section is necessarily true. Clearly, some students participated in violence, but what you've provided doesn't establish (a) how many of those were had engaged in violence, or (b) the motives of the police for the arrests . In other words, it's possible that some non-violently protesting students were arrested for protesting, with the previous violence as the justification.
– Obie 2.0
Dec 13 at 1:58
1
1
It was most certainly peaceful, only the unlawful oppression of the multinationals and by extension the state, was acted against. Since we do not accept any laws made by such organizations, they are not democratically chosen, the actions were well within the peaceful bounds.
– paul23
Dec 13 at 3:41
It was most certainly peaceful, only the unlawful oppression of the multinationals and by extension the state, was acted against. Since we do not accept any laws made by such organizations, they are not democratically chosen, the actions were well within the peaceful bounds.
– paul23
Dec 13 at 3:41
8
8
@paul23: What's being protested against (and whether the protest is justified) has no bearing on whether it was peaceful. Whether it's justified is a matter of opinion; whether it was peaceful or not is a matter of fact (...to the degree that people collectively agree on the definition of "violence").
– V2Blast
Dec 13 at 3:54
@paul23: What's being protested against (and whether the protest is justified) has no bearing on whether it was peaceful. Whether it's justified is a matter of opinion; whether it was peaceful or not is a matter of fact (...to the degree that people collectively agree on the definition of "violence").
– V2Blast
Dec 13 at 3:54
9
9
@paul23 France is a democracy and companies in France are regulated by the democratically elected government. Also I think it unlikely that all the burned cars were owned by multinational corporations. So the "no" stays.
– Paul Johnson
Dec 13 at 9:41
@paul23 France is a democracy and companies in France are regulated by the democratically elected government. Also I think it unlikely that all the burned cars were owned by multinational corporations. So the "no" stays.
– Paul Johnson
Dec 13 at 9:41
@paul23 So setting cars on fire etc. is peaceful? They've set cars ablaze from people that have nothing to do with what they're protesting for. And throwing rocks at police...? They're just people too, so it sure as hell is violence.
– EpicKip
Dec 13 at 15:22
@paul23 So setting cars on fire etc. is peaceful? They've set cars ablaze from people that have nothing to do with what they're protesting for. And throwing rocks at police...? They're just people too, so it sure as hell is violence.
– EpicKip
Dec 13 at 15:22
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