Back-dating “drunk driver”











up vote
3
down vote

favorite
1












I've been impressed by the quality of research done on this forum. I have "drunk driver" meaning one who drives an automobile while intoxicated from 1948. I'm pretty sure it's older than that. Can anyone find an earliest attested date of that phrase in that sense, with evidence showing it in a reproduction (i.e. digital scan, not transcription) of a dated publication? And would there be an objection if I drop such queries here from time to time?










share|improve this question







New contributor




etymonline is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.




















  • Elephind provides a handy decade by decade breakdown, and shows the current idiomatic use growing quickly starting around 1920. Previous to this, occurrences don't have the same sense of a fixed phrase. "DRUNK DRIVER ARRESTED SANTA ROSA, July 9 —Charged as a drunk driver, Otto H. Scott, wealthy Fort Rragg dairyman, was arrested here yesterday after he is alleged to have narrowly ..."Healdsburg Tribune, Number 211, 9 July 1924
    – Phil Sweet
    Dec 11 at 5:08








  • 3




    I, for one, welcome interesting questions about first occurrences of particular English phrases—and I don't see how any reasonable site participant could view them as being off-topic. Moreover, if you are indeed the proprietor of Etymology Online, you would seem to be immunized against the frequent criticism posted by close voters at English Language & Usage that the person posting an etymology question should have consulted Etymology Online instead of asking here.
    – Sven Yargs
    Dec 11 at 7:41

















up vote
3
down vote

favorite
1












I've been impressed by the quality of research done on this forum. I have "drunk driver" meaning one who drives an automobile while intoxicated from 1948. I'm pretty sure it's older than that. Can anyone find an earliest attested date of that phrase in that sense, with evidence showing it in a reproduction (i.e. digital scan, not transcription) of a dated publication? And would there be an objection if I drop such queries here from time to time?










share|improve this question







New contributor




etymonline is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.




















  • Elephind provides a handy decade by decade breakdown, and shows the current idiomatic use growing quickly starting around 1920. Previous to this, occurrences don't have the same sense of a fixed phrase. "DRUNK DRIVER ARRESTED SANTA ROSA, July 9 —Charged as a drunk driver, Otto H. Scott, wealthy Fort Rragg dairyman, was arrested here yesterday after he is alleged to have narrowly ..."Healdsburg Tribune, Number 211, 9 July 1924
    – Phil Sweet
    Dec 11 at 5:08








  • 3




    I, for one, welcome interesting questions about first occurrences of particular English phrases—and I don't see how any reasonable site participant could view them as being off-topic. Moreover, if you are indeed the proprietor of Etymology Online, you would seem to be immunized against the frequent criticism posted by close voters at English Language & Usage that the person posting an etymology question should have consulted Etymology Online instead of asking here.
    – Sven Yargs
    Dec 11 at 7:41















up vote
3
down vote

favorite
1









up vote
3
down vote

favorite
1






1





I've been impressed by the quality of research done on this forum. I have "drunk driver" meaning one who drives an automobile while intoxicated from 1948. I'm pretty sure it's older than that. Can anyone find an earliest attested date of that phrase in that sense, with evidence showing it in a reproduction (i.e. digital scan, not transcription) of a dated publication? And would there be an objection if I drop such queries here from time to time?










share|improve this question







New contributor




etymonline is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











I've been impressed by the quality of research done on this forum. I have "drunk driver" meaning one who drives an automobile while intoxicated from 1948. I'm pretty sure it's older than that. Can anyone find an earliest attested date of that phrase in that sense, with evidence showing it in a reproduction (i.e. digital scan, not transcription) of a dated publication? And would there be an objection if I drop such queries here from time to time?







etymology dates






share|improve this question







New contributor




etymonline is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











share|improve this question







New contributor




etymonline is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









share|improve this question




share|improve this question






New contributor




etymonline is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









asked Dec 11 at 2:28









etymonline

191




191




New contributor




etymonline is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.





New contributor





etymonline is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.






etymonline is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.












  • Elephind provides a handy decade by decade breakdown, and shows the current idiomatic use growing quickly starting around 1920. Previous to this, occurrences don't have the same sense of a fixed phrase. "DRUNK DRIVER ARRESTED SANTA ROSA, July 9 —Charged as a drunk driver, Otto H. Scott, wealthy Fort Rragg dairyman, was arrested here yesterday after he is alleged to have narrowly ..."Healdsburg Tribune, Number 211, 9 July 1924
    – Phil Sweet
    Dec 11 at 5:08








  • 3




    I, for one, welcome interesting questions about first occurrences of particular English phrases—and I don't see how any reasonable site participant could view them as being off-topic. Moreover, if you are indeed the proprietor of Etymology Online, you would seem to be immunized against the frequent criticism posted by close voters at English Language & Usage that the person posting an etymology question should have consulted Etymology Online instead of asking here.
    – Sven Yargs
    Dec 11 at 7:41




















  • Elephind provides a handy decade by decade breakdown, and shows the current idiomatic use growing quickly starting around 1920. Previous to this, occurrences don't have the same sense of a fixed phrase. "DRUNK DRIVER ARRESTED SANTA ROSA, July 9 —Charged as a drunk driver, Otto H. Scott, wealthy Fort Rragg dairyman, was arrested here yesterday after he is alleged to have narrowly ..."Healdsburg Tribune, Number 211, 9 July 1924
    – Phil Sweet
    Dec 11 at 5:08








  • 3




    I, for one, welcome interesting questions about first occurrences of particular English phrases—and I don't see how any reasonable site participant could view them as being off-topic. Moreover, if you are indeed the proprietor of Etymology Online, you would seem to be immunized against the frequent criticism posted by close voters at English Language & Usage that the person posting an etymology question should have consulted Etymology Online instead of asking here.
    – Sven Yargs
    Dec 11 at 7:41


















Elephind provides a handy decade by decade breakdown, and shows the current idiomatic use growing quickly starting around 1920. Previous to this, occurrences don't have the same sense of a fixed phrase. "DRUNK DRIVER ARRESTED SANTA ROSA, July 9 —Charged as a drunk driver, Otto H. Scott, wealthy Fort Rragg dairyman, was arrested here yesterday after he is alleged to have narrowly ..."Healdsburg Tribune, Number 211, 9 July 1924
– Phil Sweet
Dec 11 at 5:08






Elephind provides a handy decade by decade breakdown, and shows the current idiomatic use growing quickly starting around 1920. Previous to this, occurrences don't have the same sense of a fixed phrase. "DRUNK DRIVER ARRESTED SANTA ROSA, July 9 —Charged as a drunk driver, Otto H. Scott, wealthy Fort Rragg dairyman, was arrested here yesterday after he is alleged to have narrowly ..."Healdsburg Tribune, Number 211, 9 July 1924
– Phil Sweet
Dec 11 at 5:08






3




3




I, for one, welcome interesting questions about first occurrences of particular English phrases—and I don't see how any reasonable site participant could view them as being off-topic. Moreover, if you are indeed the proprietor of Etymology Online, you would seem to be immunized against the frequent criticism posted by close voters at English Language & Usage that the person posting an etymology question should have consulted Etymology Online instead of asking here.
– Sven Yargs
Dec 11 at 7:41






I, for one, welcome interesting questions about first occurrences of particular English phrases—and I don't see how any reasonable site participant could view them as being off-topic. Moreover, if you are indeed the proprietor of Etymology Online, you would seem to be immunized against the frequent criticism posted by close voters at English Language & Usage that the person posting an etymology question should have consulted Etymology Online instead of asking here.
– Sven Yargs
Dec 11 at 7:41












6 Answers
6






active

oldest

votes

















up vote
7
down vote













I have this dated 1787, culled from the online Felix Farley's Bristol Journal (Bristol, England), Saturday, November 3, 1787; Issue 2036. 17th-18th Century Burney Collection Newspapers [accessed 2018-12-11].



Newspaper article describing an incident of drunken driving dated 1787






share|improve this answer








New contributor




Goldbern is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.

























    up vote
    5
    down vote













    The crime (or misdemeanor) of drunk driving—and use of the term drunk driver to characterize an offender guilty of it—evidently goes back in some municipalities to the days of the horsed carriage. From "Police Courts: Friday, July 22: Perth," in the [Perth, Western Australia] Inquirer and Commercial News (July 29, 1898):




    A Drunk Driver.—Charles Hillman was charged with having been drunk while in charge of a horse and cart in Hay-street. The accused, it was stated, was sent out in the morning by his employer, Mr, Gullen, to deliver a round with a baker's cart. He, however, got hopelessly intoxicated, and neglected his master's property and business. The accused was sentenced to 21 days' hard labor.




    Application of the term drunk driver to the impaired driver of a horseless carriage appears at least as early as 1921. From "Notes and Comments," in the [Barcaldine, Queensland] Western Champion (January 1, 1921):




    There is one magistrate in England at least who thinks some of the laws require revising and bringing up to date. For instance he considered he should have greater power for dealing with drivers of motor cars who have indulged too much in the cup that cheers, but also inebriates. While dealing with a case the other day he complained that "It is ridiculous that I can only fine the drunk driver of a deadly thing like a motor car the same as a drunk driver of a donkey cart."




    To see the original articles from which these excerpts came, simply click the linked article names.





    As Hot Licks notes in a separate answer, the phrase drunk[en] driver goes back considerably farther than the late 1890s. The earliest instance I found in a Google Books search is from a letter to the editor written by G. Cumberland of Bristol, England, dated October 18, 1814 touching on the regulation of stage-coaches, printed in The Monthly Magazine (April 1, 1815):




    As to the expenditure of constitution, that or the risk of a broken neck is not to be expected to be thought of, by a being, who imagines he exalts himself in the world's opinion, by suffering a drunken driver to extort money from him at every stage, under penalty of being insulted with foul language, (yet knows the fellow is amply remunerated for his services by the coach-owner;) and as often repels the travelling vagrant on foot with that harshness and unfeeling pride, that brings the blush of indignation from the wounded heart.




    This is the same instance that Hot Licks identifies as "Drunken driver from 1815."



    The instance of "Drunk driver from 1848" in Hot Licks's answer is actually from an entry in Walter Scott's diary, dated May 28, 1828, reprinted in J.G. Lockhart, Memoirs of the Life of Sir Walter Scott, Bart., volume 9 (1848):




    Our elegant researches carried us out of the highroad and through a labyrinth of intricate lanes, which seem made on purpose to afford strangers the full benefit of a dark night and a drunk driver, in order to visit Gill's Hill, in Hertfordshire, famous for the murder of Mr. Weare.




    The earliest instance that a search of the British Newspaper Archive turns up is this one, from "The Fleets," in the Hull [Yorkshire] Packet (May 21, 1805) [combined snippets]:




    On Saturday night, the Leeds True Briton coach, was overturned coming from Leicester, through the carelessness of a drunken driver, who turned it out of the road where no impediment existed to interrupt his progress. There were five inside passengers and several outside, all [?] of whom were much hurt.




    These three instances, of course, involve drivers of horse-drawn conveyances.






    share|improve this answer






























      up vote
      1
      down vote













      Phil, Sven, Goldbern, thank you for answers. That's the kind of supporting evidence I was hoping for.



      Having spent a lot of time in Google Books, I don't trust an Ngram as far as I can kick it. I actually do a lot of this stuff, and the problem is that I have more questions than I have time to chase and dig for answers -- even though the chasing and digging is so darned much fun.



      Links to full-view Google Books or newspaper scan files are just fine for my purposes.



      My follow-up question is, do you mind if I post some date-of-origin questions here from time to time? Say a couple a week? I promise to make them fun ones, if I can. My list is in the thousands of words/phrases. I don't want to be burdensome, or incite flame wars, which are what keeps me away from message boards generally, but I've watched this one for a while and I know people here do smart work.



      P.S. I seem to have two accounts here. I'm the O.P. Apologies for the confusion, I'll try to straighten that out.






      share|improve this answer










      New contributor




      Douglas Harper is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.














      • 3




        Hi, Douglas. This post is likely to get closed because technically it isn't an answer to your earlier question—but please don't take that reaction as hostility to your interest in posting questions like the one about "drunk driver" on EL&U. A recurring question that arises at this site is "How can we encourage better (or 'more interesting') questions?" In my opinion, yours would certainly qualify as high-end. So please do post another date-of-origin question soon. Two or three (or more) such questions a week would be a treat for those of us who share your delight in researching them.
        – Sven Yargs
        Dec 11 at 21:19










      • OK, thanks, I'm still trying to figure this out. There's more rules than a hotel swimming pool. It seems to be highly compartmentalized, and I'm in the wrong compartment. I can't even find a "log out" button.
        – etymonline
        Dec 11 at 21:27






      • 1




        @etymonline I would only ask that you structure your questions so that they clearly are in keeping with this site's objectives. However, the PTB here might have other concerns regarding questions asked specifically to improve a rival? site. If you want to do this in more than an occasional basis, I'd post a question on Meta Stack Exchange about your intended usage of the material.
        – Phil Sweet
        Dec 11 at 22:43






      • 2




        This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
        – jimm101
        2 days ago






      • 3




        @PhilSweet I'm struggling to see how Etymonline (the site) could be in any way regarded as our "rival". EL&U is a Q&A site, not an etymological dictionary. Good questions on our site are always encouraged, regardless of what the OP intends to do with the information. However, I support the suggestion of a Meta discussion, since here in the main site is not the place for it...
        – Chappo
        2 days ago


















      up vote
      1
      down vote













      The earliest example the OED has of drunk-driver is from 1948. They do however have a US example of drunk-driving from 1937. 937 Literary Digest 30 Oct. 8/1 In view of the rise in accidents from this cause, we will concentrate on just one thing—drunk driving.






      share|improve this answer






























        up vote
        1
        down vote













        The phrase 'drunken driver' appears at least as early as 1770, in Gentleman's Magazine, v 40, where it is used in an adaptation (called a "translation") of Calderon de la Barca's play, El Escondido y la Tapada:




        ...the coach appeared to be Guzman's the father of Marcella, which had been overturned by a drunken driver....




        On 04 Dec 1894, 'drunk driver' appears with reference to a railway engineer in the Aberdeen Journal (Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland; paywalled, emphasis mine):




        THE DRUNK DRIVER AND HIS ENGINE

        ...
        An engine-driver, who was intoxicated, became possessed of some delusion, and in this condition started with his engine and a post van at full speed in pursuit of a passenger train....




        'Drunk driver' with reference to motor vehicle operators could have occurred as early as 1769 (first steam-powered automobile), but does not seem to have appeared in print before 1912. Then, in the 19 Dec Silver Lake Mirror (Silver Lake, Kansas; paywalled, emphasis mine), it appears in an article reprinted from the Leavenworth Times. The context is informative:




        Danger from Drinking Men

         The Pennsylvania Railroad Company...took measures recently to ascertain which of its thousands of employees are in the habit of using intoxicating liquors and they have seen to it that all such men are taken from places in which they may endanger the safety of trains...The great railroad does not trust a man who drinks.

         Some years ago the great Santa Fe system began to discourage drinking by refusing to employ men who were moderate drinkers. The officials realized that what the man calls a moderate amount of stimulant may so affect his brain that he is no longer to be trusted.

         A great eastern paper, in a recent issue makes a bitter complaint of the automobile because it is used by men who muddle their brains with drink and then become unsafe as drivers...When [a] drunk driver comes along better take to the fence corner and pray that he doesn't find you.







        share|improve this answer





















        • Excellent research, as always.
          – Sven Yargs
          yesterday










        • Thanks, Sven. I was unable to improve on the 1828 date for 'drunk driver' of horse-drawn vehicles, although the search was worthwhile if for no other reason than that it brought 'Jehu' to my attention.
          – JEL
          17 hours ago


















        up vote
        -4
        down vote













        "Drunken driver" from 1829



        "Drunken driver" from 1839



        "Drunken driver" from 1815



        "Drunk driver" from 1841



        "Drunk driver" from 1848



        (Hint: If you're going to be doing much of this stuff you need to learn how to use Google Ngram. It is a very powerful tool if you take some time to learn its quirks.)






        share|improve this answer



















        • 5




          I believe this is what they call a "link-only answer". It could be fixed by putting the quotations in the answer. Your advertisement for G**gle is noted.
          – bof
          Dec 11 at 3:09






        • 7




          Answers are not solely for the benefit of the OP. We are supposed to be creating a repository of questions and answers for posterity. The usual way to answer such a question would be with a transcribed quotation and a link to the source. Since the source is an image, that would satisfy everyone.
          – bof
          Dec 11 at 3:48






        • 4




          Moreover, the OP is a first time user and your answer and your comments should take into serious account the highly recommended “be nice policy” of the site.
          – user240918
          Dec 11 at 7:53








        • 3




          While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
          – Chappo
          Dec 11 at 8:06






        • 2




          @HotLicks Transcribing is what provides the most value to the answer, for all visitors, including those who are using screen readers. Embedding an image provides value for most visitors. Slapping some links up provides value only as long as those links don't go stale.
          – shoover
          Dec 11 at 19:56













        Your Answer








        StackExchange.ready(function() {
        var channelOptions = {
        tags: "".split(" "),
        id: "97"
        };
        initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

        StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
        // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
        if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
        StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
        createEditor();
        });
        }
        else {
        createEditor();
        }
        });

        function createEditor() {
        StackExchange.prepareEditor({
        heartbeatType: 'answer',
        convertImagesToLinks: false,
        noModals: true,
        showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
        reputationToPostImages: null,
        bindNavPrevention: true,
        postfix: "",
        imageUploader: {
        brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
        contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
        allowUrls: true
        },
        noCode: true, onDemand: true,
        discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
        ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
        });


        }
        });






        etymonline is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.










        draft saved

        draft discarded


















        StackExchange.ready(
        function () {
        StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fenglish.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f476543%2fback-dating-drunk-driver%23new-answer', 'question_page');
        }
        );

        Post as a guest















        Required, but never shown

























        6 Answers
        6






        active

        oldest

        votes








        6 Answers
        6






        active

        oldest

        votes









        active

        oldest

        votes






        active

        oldest

        votes








        up vote
        7
        down vote













        I have this dated 1787, culled from the online Felix Farley's Bristol Journal (Bristol, England), Saturday, November 3, 1787; Issue 2036. 17th-18th Century Burney Collection Newspapers [accessed 2018-12-11].



        Newspaper article describing an incident of drunken driving dated 1787






        share|improve this answer








        New contributor




        Goldbern is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
        Check out our Code of Conduct.






















          up vote
          7
          down vote













          I have this dated 1787, culled from the online Felix Farley's Bristol Journal (Bristol, England), Saturday, November 3, 1787; Issue 2036. 17th-18th Century Burney Collection Newspapers [accessed 2018-12-11].



          Newspaper article describing an incident of drunken driving dated 1787






          share|improve this answer








          New contributor




          Goldbern is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
          Check out our Code of Conduct.




















            up vote
            7
            down vote










            up vote
            7
            down vote









            I have this dated 1787, culled from the online Felix Farley's Bristol Journal (Bristol, England), Saturday, November 3, 1787; Issue 2036. 17th-18th Century Burney Collection Newspapers [accessed 2018-12-11].



            Newspaper article describing an incident of drunken driving dated 1787






            share|improve this answer








            New contributor




            Goldbern is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
            Check out our Code of Conduct.









            I have this dated 1787, culled from the online Felix Farley's Bristol Journal (Bristol, England), Saturday, November 3, 1787; Issue 2036. 17th-18th Century Burney Collection Newspapers [accessed 2018-12-11].



            Newspaper article describing an incident of drunken driving dated 1787







            share|improve this answer








            New contributor




            Goldbern is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
            Check out our Code of Conduct.









            share|improve this answer



            share|improve this answer






            New contributor




            Goldbern is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
            Check out our Code of Conduct.









            answered Dec 11 at 17:21









            Goldbern

            1215




            1215




            New contributor




            Goldbern is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
            Check out our Code of Conduct.





            New contributor





            Goldbern is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
            Check out our Code of Conduct.






            Goldbern is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
            Check out our Code of Conduct.
























                up vote
                5
                down vote













                The crime (or misdemeanor) of drunk driving—and use of the term drunk driver to characterize an offender guilty of it—evidently goes back in some municipalities to the days of the horsed carriage. From "Police Courts: Friday, July 22: Perth," in the [Perth, Western Australia] Inquirer and Commercial News (July 29, 1898):




                A Drunk Driver.—Charles Hillman was charged with having been drunk while in charge of a horse and cart in Hay-street. The accused, it was stated, was sent out in the morning by his employer, Mr, Gullen, to deliver a round with a baker's cart. He, however, got hopelessly intoxicated, and neglected his master's property and business. The accused was sentenced to 21 days' hard labor.




                Application of the term drunk driver to the impaired driver of a horseless carriage appears at least as early as 1921. From "Notes and Comments," in the [Barcaldine, Queensland] Western Champion (January 1, 1921):




                There is one magistrate in England at least who thinks some of the laws require revising and bringing up to date. For instance he considered he should have greater power for dealing with drivers of motor cars who have indulged too much in the cup that cheers, but also inebriates. While dealing with a case the other day he complained that "It is ridiculous that I can only fine the drunk driver of a deadly thing like a motor car the same as a drunk driver of a donkey cart."




                To see the original articles from which these excerpts came, simply click the linked article names.





                As Hot Licks notes in a separate answer, the phrase drunk[en] driver goes back considerably farther than the late 1890s. The earliest instance I found in a Google Books search is from a letter to the editor written by G. Cumberland of Bristol, England, dated October 18, 1814 touching on the regulation of stage-coaches, printed in The Monthly Magazine (April 1, 1815):




                As to the expenditure of constitution, that or the risk of a broken neck is not to be expected to be thought of, by a being, who imagines he exalts himself in the world's opinion, by suffering a drunken driver to extort money from him at every stage, under penalty of being insulted with foul language, (yet knows the fellow is amply remunerated for his services by the coach-owner;) and as often repels the travelling vagrant on foot with that harshness and unfeeling pride, that brings the blush of indignation from the wounded heart.




                This is the same instance that Hot Licks identifies as "Drunken driver from 1815."



                The instance of "Drunk driver from 1848" in Hot Licks's answer is actually from an entry in Walter Scott's diary, dated May 28, 1828, reprinted in J.G. Lockhart, Memoirs of the Life of Sir Walter Scott, Bart., volume 9 (1848):




                Our elegant researches carried us out of the highroad and through a labyrinth of intricate lanes, which seem made on purpose to afford strangers the full benefit of a dark night and a drunk driver, in order to visit Gill's Hill, in Hertfordshire, famous for the murder of Mr. Weare.




                The earliest instance that a search of the British Newspaper Archive turns up is this one, from "The Fleets," in the Hull [Yorkshire] Packet (May 21, 1805) [combined snippets]:




                On Saturday night, the Leeds True Briton coach, was overturned coming from Leicester, through the carelessness of a drunken driver, who turned it out of the road where no impediment existed to interrupt his progress. There were five inside passengers and several outside, all [?] of whom were much hurt.




                These three instances, of course, involve drivers of horse-drawn conveyances.






                share|improve this answer



























                  up vote
                  5
                  down vote













                  The crime (or misdemeanor) of drunk driving—and use of the term drunk driver to characterize an offender guilty of it—evidently goes back in some municipalities to the days of the horsed carriage. From "Police Courts: Friday, July 22: Perth," in the [Perth, Western Australia] Inquirer and Commercial News (July 29, 1898):




                  A Drunk Driver.—Charles Hillman was charged with having been drunk while in charge of a horse and cart in Hay-street. The accused, it was stated, was sent out in the morning by his employer, Mr, Gullen, to deliver a round with a baker's cart. He, however, got hopelessly intoxicated, and neglected his master's property and business. The accused was sentenced to 21 days' hard labor.




                  Application of the term drunk driver to the impaired driver of a horseless carriage appears at least as early as 1921. From "Notes and Comments," in the [Barcaldine, Queensland] Western Champion (January 1, 1921):




                  There is one magistrate in England at least who thinks some of the laws require revising and bringing up to date. For instance he considered he should have greater power for dealing with drivers of motor cars who have indulged too much in the cup that cheers, but also inebriates. While dealing with a case the other day he complained that "It is ridiculous that I can only fine the drunk driver of a deadly thing like a motor car the same as a drunk driver of a donkey cart."




                  To see the original articles from which these excerpts came, simply click the linked article names.





                  As Hot Licks notes in a separate answer, the phrase drunk[en] driver goes back considerably farther than the late 1890s. The earliest instance I found in a Google Books search is from a letter to the editor written by G. Cumberland of Bristol, England, dated October 18, 1814 touching on the regulation of stage-coaches, printed in The Monthly Magazine (April 1, 1815):




                  As to the expenditure of constitution, that or the risk of a broken neck is not to be expected to be thought of, by a being, who imagines he exalts himself in the world's opinion, by suffering a drunken driver to extort money from him at every stage, under penalty of being insulted with foul language, (yet knows the fellow is amply remunerated for his services by the coach-owner;) and as often repels the travelling vagrant on foot with that harshness and unfeeling pride, that brings the blush of indignation from the wounded heart.




                  This is the same instance that Hot Licks identifies as "Drunken driver from 1815."



                  The instance of "Drunk driver from 1848" in Hot Licks's answer is actually from an entry in Walter Scott's diary, dated May 28, 1828, reprinted in J.G. Lockhart, Memoirs of the Life of Sir Walter Scott, Bart., volume 9 (1848):




                  Our elegant researches carried us out of the highroad and through a labyrinth of intricate lanes, which seem made on purpose to afford strangers the full benefit of a dark night and a drunk driver, in order to visit Gill's Hill, in Hertfordshire, famous for the murder of Mr. Weare.




                  The earliest instance that a search of the British Newspaper Archive turns up is this one, from "The Fleets," in the Hull [Yorkshire] Packet (May 21, 1805) [combined snippets]:




                  On Saturday night, the Leeds True Briton coach, was overturned coming from Leicester, through the carelessness of a drunken driver, who turned it out of the road where no impediment existed to interrupt his progress. There were five inside passengers and several outside, all [?] of whom were much hurt.




                  These three instances, of course, involve drivers of horse-drawn conveyances.






                  share|improve this answer

























                    up vote
                    5
                    down vote










                    up vote
                    5
                    down vote









                    The crime (or misdemeanor) of drunk driving—and use of the term drunk driver to characterize an offender guilty of it—evidently goes back in some municipalities to the days of the horsed carriage. From "Police Courts: Friday, July 22: Perth," in the [Perth, Western Australia] Inquirer and Commercial News (July 29, 1898):




                    A Drunk Driver.—Charles Hillman was charged with having been drunk while in charge of a horse and cart in Hay-street. The accused, it was stated, was sent out in the morning by his employer, Mr, Gullen, to deliver a round with a baker's cart. He, however, got hopelessly intoxicated, and neglected his master's property and business. The accused was sentenced to 21 days' hard labor.




                    Application of the term drunk driver to the impaired driver of a horseless carriage appears at least as early as 1921. From "Notes and Comments," in the [Barcaldine, Queensland] Western Champion (January 1, 1921):




                    There is one magistrate in England at least who thinks some of the laws require revising and bringing up to date. For instance he considered he should have greater power for dealing with drivers of motor cars who have indulged too much in the cup that cheers, but also inebriates. While dealing with a case the other day he complained that "It is ridiculous that I can only fine the drunk driver of a deadly thing like a motor car the same as a drunk driver of a donkey cart."




                    To see the original articles from which these excerpts came, simply click the linked article names.





                    As Hot Licks notes in a separate answer, the phrase drunk[en] driver goes back considerably farther than the late 1890s. The earliest instance I found in a Google Books search is from a letter to the editor written by G. Cumberland of Bristol, England, dated October 18, 1814 touching on the regulation of stage-coaches, printed in The Monthly Magazine (April 1, 1815):




                    As to the expenditure of constitution, that or the risk of a broken neck is not to be expected to be thought of, by a being, who imagines he exalts himself in the world's opinion, by suffering a drunken driver to extort money from him at every stage, under penalty of being insulted with foul language, (yet knows the fellow is amply remunerated for his services by the coach-owner;) and as often repels the travelling vagrant on foot with that harshness and unfeeling pride, that brings the blush of indignation from the wounded heart.




                    This is the same instance that Hot Licks identifies as "Drunken driver from 1815."



                    The instance of "Drunk driver from 1848" in Hot Licks's answer is actually from an entry in Walter Scott's diary, dated May 28, 1828, reprinted in J.G. Lockhart, Memoirs of the Life of Sir Walter Scott, Bart., volume 9 (1848):




                    Our elegant researches carried us out of the highroad and through a labyrinth of intricate lanes, which seem made on purpose to afford strangers the full benefit of a dark night and a drunk driver, in order to visit Gill's Hill, in Hertfordshire, famous for the murder of Mr. Weare.




                    The earliest instance that a search of the British Newspaper Archive turns up is this one, from "The Fleets," in the Hull [Yorkshire] Packet (May 21, 1805) [combined snippets]:




                    On Saturday night, the Leeds True Briton coach, was overturned coming from Leicester, through the carelessness of a drunken driver, who turned it out of the road where no impediment existed to interrupt his progress. There were five inside passengers and several outside, all [?] of whom were much hurt.




                    These three instances, of course, involve drivers of horse-drawn conveyances.






                    share|improve this answer














                    The crime (or misdemeanor) of drunk driving—and use of the term drunk driver to characterize an offender guilty of it—evidently goes back in some municipalities to the days of the horsed carriage. From "Police Courts: Friday, July 22: Perth," in the [Perth, Western Australia] Inquirer and Commercial News (July 29, 1898):




                    A Drunk Driver.—Charles Hillman was charged with having been drunk while in charge of a horse and cart in Hay-street. The accused, it was stated, was sent out in the morning by his employer, Mr, Gullen, to deliver a round with a baker's cart. He, however, got hopelessly intoxicated, and neglected his master's property and business. The accused was sentenced to 21 days' hard labor.




                    Application of the term drunk driver to the impaired driver of a horseless carriage appears at least as early as 1921. From "Notes and Comments," in the [Barcaldine, Queensland] Western Champion (January 1, 1921):




                    There is one magistrate in England at least who thinks some of the laws require revising and bringing up to date. For instance he considered he should have greater power for dealing with drivers of motor cars who have indulged too much in the cup that cheers, but also inebriates. While dealing with a case the other day he complained that "It is ridiculous that I can only fine the drunk driver of a deadly thing like a motor car the same as a drunk driver of a donkey cart."




                    To see the original articles from which these excerpts came, simply click the linked article names.





                    As Hot Licks notes in a separate answer, the phrase drunk[en] driver goes back considerably farther than the late 1890s. The earliest instance I found in a Google Books search is from a letter to the editor written by G. Cumberland of Bristol, England, dated October 18, 1814 touching on the regulation of stage-coaches, printed in The Monthly Magazine (April 1, 1815):




                    As to the expenditure of constitution, that or the risk of a broken neck is not to be expected to be thought of, by a being, who imagines he exalts himself in the world's opinion, by suffering a drunken driver to extort money from him at every stage, under penalty of being insulted with foul language, (yet knows the fellow is amply remunerated for his services by the coach-owner;) and as often repels the travelling vagrant on foot with that harshness and unfeeling pride, that brings the blush of indignation from the wounded heart.




                    This is the same instance that Hot Licks identifies as "Drunken driver from 1815."



                    The instance of "Drunk driver from 1848" in Hot Licks's answer is actually from an entry in Walter Scott's diary, dated May 28, 1828, reprinted in J.G. Lockhart, Memoirs of the Life of Sir Walter Scott, Bart., volume 9 (1848):




                    Our elegant researches carried us out of the highroad and through a labyrinth of intricate lanes, which seem made on purpose to afford strangers the full benefit of a dark night and a drunk driver, in order to visit Gill's Hill, in Hertfordshire, famous for the murder of Mr. Weare.




                    The earliest instance that a search of the British Newspaper Archive turns up is this one, from "The Fleets," in the Hull [Yorkshire] Packet (May 21, 1805) [combined snippets]:




                    On Saturday night, the Leeds True Briton coach, was overturned coming from Leicester, through the carelessness of a drunken driver, who turned it out of the road where no impediment existed to interrupt his progress. There were five inside passengers and several outside, all [?] of whom were much hurt.




                    These three instances, of course, involve drivers of horse-drawn conveyances.







                    share|improve this answer














                    share|improve this answer



                    share|improve this answer








                    edited Dec 11 at 22:26

























                    answered Dec 11 at 7:29









                    Sven Yargs

                    110k18234491




                    110k18234491






















                        up vote
                        1
                        down vote













                        Phil, Sven, Goldbern, thank you for answers. That's the kind of supporting evidence I was hoping for.



                        Having spent a lot of time in Google Books, I don't trust an Ngram as far as I can kick it. I actually do a lot of this stuff, and the problem is that I have more questions than I have time to chase and dig for answers -- even though the chasing and digging is so darned much fun.



                        Links to full-view Google Books or newspaper scan files are just fine for my purposes.



                        My follow-up question is, do you mind if I post some date-of-origin questions here from time to time? Say a couple a week? I promise to make them fun ones, if I can. My list is in the thousands of words/phrases. I don't want to be burdensome, or incite flame wars, which are what keeps me away from message boards generally, but I've watched this one for a while and I know people here do smart work.



                        P.S. I seem to have two accounts here. I'm the O.P. Apologies for the confusion, I'll try to straighten that out.






                        share|improve this answer










                        New contributor




                        Douglas Harper is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                        Check out our Code of Conduct.














                        • 3




                          Hi, Douglas. This post is likely to get closed because technically it isn't an answer to your earlier question—but please don't take that reaction as hostility to your interest in posting questions like the one about "drunk driver" on EL&U. A recurring question that arises at this site is "How can we encourage better (or 'more interesting') questions?" In my opinion, yours would certainly qualify as high-end. So please do post another date-of-origin question soon. Two or three (or more) such questions a week would be a treat for those of us who share your delight in researching them.
                          – Sven Yargs
                          Dec 11 at 21:19










                        • OK, thanks, I'm still trying to figure this out. There's more rules than a hotel swimming pool. It seems to be highly compartmentalized, and I'm in the wrong compartment. I can't even find a "log out" button.
                          – etymonline
                          Dec 11 at 21:27






                        • 1




                          @etymonline I would only ask that you structure your questions so that they clearly are in keeping with this site's objectives. However, the PTB here might have other concerns regarding questions asked specifically to improve a rival? site. If you want to do this in more than an occasional basis, I'd post a question on Meta Stack Exchange about your intended usage of the material.
                          – Phil Sweet
                          Dec 11 at 22:43






                        • 2




                          This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
                          – jimm101
                          2 days ago






                        • 3




                          @PhilSweet I'm struggling to see how Etymonline (the site) could be in any way regarded as our "rival". EL&U is a Q&A site, not an etymological dictionary. Good questions on our site are always encouraged, regardless of what the OP intends to do with the information. However, I support the suggestion of a Meta discussion, since here in the main site is not the place for it...
                          – Chappo
                          2 days ago















                        up vote
                        1
                        down vote













                        Phil, Sven, Goldbern, thank you for answers. That's the kind of supporting evidence I was hoping for.



                        Having spent a lot of time in Google Books, I don't trust an Ngram as far as I can kick it. I actually do a lot of this stuff, and the problem is that I have more questions than I have time to chase and dig for answers -- even though the chasing and digging is so darned much fun.



                        Links to full-view Google Books or newspaper scan files are just fine for my purposes.



                        My follow-up question is, do you mind if I post some date-of-origin questions here from time to time? Say a couple a week? I promise to make them fun ones, if I can. My list is in the thousands of words/phrases. I don't want to be burdensome, or incite flame wars, which are what keeps me away from message boards generally, but I've watched this one for a while and I know people here do smart work.



                        P.S. I seem to have two accounts here. I'm the O.P. Apologies for the confusion, I'll try to straighten that out.






                        share|improve this answer










                        New contributor




                        Douglas Harper is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                        Check out our Code of Conduct.














                        • 3




                          Hi, Douglas. This post is likely to get closed because technically it isn't an answer to your earlier question—but please don't take that reaction as hostility to your interest in posting questions like the one about "drunk driver" on EL&U. A recurring question that arises at this site is "How can we encourage better (or 'more interesting') questions?" In my opinion, yours would certainly qualify as high-end. So please do post another date-of-origin question soon. Two or three (or more) such questions a week would be a treat for those of us who share your delight in researching them.
                          – Sven Yargs
                          Dec 11 at 21:19










                        • OK, thanks, I'm still trying to figure this out. There's more rules than a hotel swimming pool. It seems to be highly compartmentalized, and I'm in the wrong compartment. I can't even find a "log out" button.
                          – etymonline
                          Dec 11 at 21:27






                        • 1




                          @etymonline I would only ask that you structure your questions so that they clearly are in keeping with this site's objectives. However, the PTB here might have other concerns regarding questions asked specifically to improve a rival? site. If you want to do this in more than an occasional basis, I'd post a question on Meta Stack Exchange about your intended usage of the material.
                          – Phil Sweet
                          Dec 11 at 22:43






                        • 2




                          This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
                          – jimm101
                          2 days ago






                        • 3




                          @PhilSweet I'm struggling to see how Etymonline (the site) could be in any way regarded as our "rival". EL&U is a Q&A site, not an etymological dictionary. Good questions on our site are always encouraged, regardless of what the OP intends to do with the information. However, I support the suggestion of a Meta discussion, since here in the main site is not the place for it...
                          – Chappo
                          2 days ago













                        up vote
                        1
                        down vote










                        up vote
                        1
                        down vote









                        Phil, Sven, Goldbern, thank you for answers. That's the kind of supporting evidence I was hoping for.



                        Having spent a lot of time in Google Books, I don't trust an Ngram as far as I can kick it. I actually do a lot of this stuff, and the problem is that I have more questions than I have time to chase and dig for answers -- even though the chasing and digging is so darned much fun.



                        Links to full-view Google Books or newspaper scan files are just fine for my purposes.



                        My follow-up question is, do you mind if I post some date-of-origin questions here from time to time? Say a couple a week? I promise to make them fun ones, if I can. My list is in the thousands of words/phrases. I don't want to be burdensome, or incite flame wars, which are what keeps me away from message boards generally, but I've watched this one for a while and I know people here do smart work.



                        P.S. I seem to have two accounts here. I'm the O.P. Apologies for the confusion, I'll try to straighten that out.






                        share|improve this answer










                        New contributor




                        Douglas Harper is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                        Check out our Code of Conduct.









                        Phil, Sven, Goldbern, thank you for answers. That's the kind of supporting evidence I was hoping for.



                        Having spent a lot of time in Google Books, I don't trust an Ngram as far as I can kick it. I actually do a lot of this stuff, and the problem is that I have more questions than I have time to chase and dig for answers -- even though the chasing and digging is so darned much fun.



                        Links to full-view Google Books or newspaper scan files are just fine for my purposes.



                        My follow-up question is, do you mind if I post some date-of-origin questions here from time to time? Say a couple a week? I promise to make them fun ones, if I can. My list is in the thousands of words/phrases. I don't want to be burdensome, or incite flame wars, which are what keeps me away from message boards generally, but I've watched this one for a while and I know people here do smart work.



                        P.S. I seem to have two accounts here. I'm the O.P. Apologies for the confusion, I'll try to straighten that out.







                        share|improve this answer










                        New contributor




                        Douglas Harper is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                        Check out our Code of Conduct.









                        share|improve this answer



                        share|improve this answer








                        edited Dec 11 at 20:27





















                        New contributor




                        Douglas Harper is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                        Check out our Code of Conduct.









                        answered Dec 11 at 20:06









                        Douglas Harper

                        192




                        192




                        New contributor




                        Douglas Harper is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                        Check out our Code of Conduct.





                        New contributor





                        Douglas Harper is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                        Check out our Code of Conduct.






                        Douglas Harper is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                        Check out our Code of Conduct.








                        • 3




                          Hi, Douglas. This post is likely to get closed because technically it isn't an answer to your earlier question—but please don't take that reaction as hostility to your interest in posting questions like the one about "drunk driver" on EL&U. A recurring question that arises at this site is "How can we encourage better (or 'more interesting') questions?" In my opinion, yours would certainly qualify as high-end. So please do post another date-of-origin question soon. Two or three (or more) such questions a week would be a treat for those of us who share your delight in researching them.
                          – Sven Yargs
                          Dec 11 at 21:19










                        • OK, thanks, I'm still trying to figure this out. There's more rules than a hotel swimming pool. It seems to be highly compartmentalized, and I'm in the wrong compartment. I can't even find a "log out" button.
                          – etymonline
                          Dec 11 at 21:27






                        • 1




                          @etymonline I would only ask that you structure your questions so that they clearly are in keeping with this site's objectives. However, the PTB here might have other concerns regarding questions asked specifically to improve a rival? site. If you want to do this in more than an occasional basis, I'd post a question on Meta Stack Exchange about your intended usage of the material.
                          – Phil Sweet
                          Dec 11 at 22:43






                        • 2




                          This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
                          – jimm101
                          2 days ago






                        • 3




                          @PhilSweet I'm struggling to see how Etymonline (the site) could be in any way regarded as our "rival". EL&U is a Q&A site, not an etymological dictionary. Good questions on our site are always encouraged, regardless of what the OP intends to do with the information. However, I support the suggestion of a Meta discussion, since here in the main site is not the place for it...
                          – Chappo
                          2 days ago














                        • 3




                          Hi, Douglas. This post is likely to get closed because technically it isn't an answer to your earlier question—but please don't take that reaction as hostility to your interest in posting questions like the one about "drunk driver" on EL&U. A recurring question that arises at this site is "How can we encourage better (or 'more interesting') questions?" In my opinion, yours would certainly qualify as high-end. So please do post another date-of-origin question soon. Two or three (or more) such questions a week would be a treat for those of us who share your delight in researching them.
                          – Sven Yargs
                          Dec 11 at 21:19










                        • OK, thanks, I'm still trying to figure this out. There's more rules than a hotel swimming pool. It seems to be highly compartmentalized, and I'm in the wrong compartment. I can't even find a "log out" button.
                          – etymonline
                          Dec 11 at 21:27






                        • 1




                          @etymonline I would only ask that you structure your questions so that they clearly are in keeping with this site's objectives. However, the PTB here might have other concerns regarding questions asked specifically to improve a rival? site. If you want to do this in more than an occasional basis, I'd post a question on Meta Stack Exchange about your intended usage of the material.
                          – Phil Sweet
                          Dec 11 at 22:43






                        • 2




                          This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
                          – jimm101
                          2 days ago






                        • 3




                          @PhilSweet I'm struggling to see how Etymonline (the site) could be in any way regarded as our "rival". EL&U is a Q&A site, not an etymological dictionary. Good questions on our site are always encouraged, regardless of what the OP intends to do with the information. However, I support the suggestion of a Meta discussion, since here in the main site is not the place for it...
                          – Chappo
                          2 days ago








                        3




                        3




                        Hi, Douglas. This post is likely to get closed because technically it isn't an answer to your earlier question—but please don't take that reaction as hostility to your interest in posting questions like the one about "drunk driver" on EL&U. A recurring question that arises at this site is "How can we encourage better (or 'more interesting') questions?" In my opinion, yours would certainly qualify as high-end. So please do post another date-of-origin question soon. Two or three (or more) such questions a week would be a treat for those of us who share your delight in researching them.
                        – Sven Yargs
                        Dec 11 at 21:19




                        Hi, Douglas. This post is likely to get closed because technically it isn't an answer to your earlier question—but please don't take that reaction as hostility to your interest in posting questions like the one about "drunk driver" on EL&U. A recurring question that arises at this site is "How can we encourage better (or 'more interesting') questions?" In my opinion, yours would certainly qualify as high-end. So please do post another date-of-origin question soon. Two or three (or more) such questions a week would be a treat for those of us who share your delight in researching them.
                        – Sven Yargs
                        Dec 11 at 21:19












                        OK, thanks, I'm still trying to figure this out. There's more rules than a hotel swimming pool. It seems to be highly compartmentalized, and I'm in the wrong compartment. I can't even find a "log out" button.
                        – etymonline
                        Dec 11 at 21:27




                        OK, thanks, I'm still trying to figure this out. There's more rules than a hotel swimming pool. It seems to be highly compartmentalized, and I'm in the wrong compartment. I can't even find a "log out" button.
                        – etymonline
                        Dec 11 at 21:27




                        1




                        1




                        @etymonline I would only ask that you structure your questions so that they clearly are in keeping with this site's objectives. However, the PTB here might have other concerns regarding questions asked specifically to improve a rival? site. If you want to do this in more than an occasional basis, I'd post a question on Meta Stack Exchange about your intended usage of the material.
                        – Phil Sweet
                        Dec 11 at 22:43




                        @etymonline I would only ask that you structure your questions so that they clearly are in keeping with this site's objectives. However, the PTB here might have other concerns regarding questions asked specifically to improve a rival? site. If you want to do this in more than an occasional basis, I'd post a question on Meta Stack Exchange about your intended usage of the material.
                        – Phil Sweet
                        Dec 11 at 22:43




                        2




                        2




                        This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
                        – jimm101
                        2 days ago




                        This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
                        – jimm101
                        2 days ago




                        3




                        3




                        @PhilSweet I'm struggling to see how Etymonline (the site) could be in any way regarded as our "rival". EL&U is a Q&A site, not an etymological dictionary. Good questions on our site are always encouraged, regardless of what the OP intends to do with the information. However, I support the suggestion of a Meta discussion, since here in the main site is not the place for it...
                        – Chappo
                        2 days ago




                        @PhilSweet I'm struggling to see how Etymonline (the site) could be in any way regarded as our "rival". EL&U is a Q&A site, not an etymological dictionary. Good questions on our site are always encouraged, regardless of what the OP intends to do with the information. However, I support the suggestion of a Meta discussion, since here in the main site is not the place for it...
                        – Chappo
                        2 days ago










                        up vote
                        1
                        down vote













                        The earliest example the OED has of drunk-driver is from 1948. They do however have a US example of drunk-driving from 1937. 937 Literary Digest 30 Oct. 8/1 In view of the rise in accidents from this cause, we will concentrate on just one thing—drunk driving.






                        share|improve this answer



























                          up vote
                          1
                          down vote













                          The earliest example the OED has of drunk-driver is from 1948. They do however have a US example of drunk-driving from 1937. 937 Literary Digest 30 Oct. 8/1 In view of the rise in accidents from this cause, we will concentrate on just one thing—drunk driving.






                          share|improve this answer

























                            up vote
                            1
                            down vote










                            up vote
                            1
                            down vote









                            The earliest example the OED has of drunk-driver is from 1948. They do however have a US example of drunk-driving from 1937. 937 Literary Digest 30 Oct. 8/1 In view of the rise in accidents from this cause, we will concentrate on just one thing—drunk driving.






                            share|improve this answer














                            The earliest example the OED has of drunk-driver is from 1948. They do however have a US example of drunk-driving from 1937. 937 Literary Digest 30 Oct. 8/1 In view of the rise in accidents from this cause, we will concentrate on just one thing—drunk driving.







                            share|improve this answer














                            share|improve this answer



                            share|improve this answer








                            edited 2 days ago

























                            answered 2 days ago









                            WS2

                            51.1k27111241




                            51.1k27111241






















                                up vote
                                1
                                down vote













                                The phrase 'drunken driver' appears at least as early as 1770, in Gentleman's Magazine, v 40, where it is used in an adaptation (called a "translation") of Calderon de la Barca's play, El Escondido y la Tapada:




                                ...the coach appeared to be Guzman's the father of Marcella, which had been overturned by a drunken driver....




                                On 04 Dec 1894, 'drunk driver' appears with reference to a railway engineer in the Aberdeen Journal (Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland; paywalled, emphasis mine):




                                THE DRUNK DRIVER AND HIS ENGINE

                                ...
                                An engine-driver, who was intoxicated, became possessed of some delusion, and in this condition started with his engine and a post van at full speed in pursuit of a passenger train....




                                'Drunk driver' with reference to motor vehicle operators could have occurred as early as 1769 (first steam-powered automobile), but does not seem to have appeared in print before 1912. Then, in the 19 Dec Silver Lake Mirror (Silver Lake, Kansas; paywalled, emphasis mine), it appears in an article reprinted from the Leavenworth Times. The context is informative:




                                Danger from Drinking Men

                                 The Pennsylvania Railroad Company...took measures recently to ascertain which of its thousands of employees are in the habit of using intoxicating liquors and they have seen to it that all such men are taken from places in which they may endanger the safety of trains...The great railroad does not trust a man who drinks.

                                 Some years ago the great Santa Fe system began to discourage drinking by refusing to employ men who were moderate drinkers. The officials realized that what the man calls a moderate amount of stimulant may so affect his brain that he is no longer to be trusted.

                                 A great eastern paper, in a recent issue makes a bitter complaint of the automobile because it is used by men who muddle their brains with drink and then become unsafe as drivers...When [a] drunk driver comes along better take to the fence corner and pray that he doesn't find you.







                                share|improve this answer





















                                • Excellent research, as always.
                                  – Sven Yargs
                                  yesterday










                                • Thanks, Sven. I was unable to improve on the 1828 date for 'drunk driver' of horse-drawn vehicles, although the search was worthwhile if for no other reason than that it brought 'Jehu' to my attention.
                                  – JEL
                                  17 hours ago















                                up vote
                                1
                                down vote













                                The phrase 'drunken driver' appears at least as early as 1770, in Gentleman's Magazine, v 40, where it is used in an adaptation (called a "translation") of Calderon de la Barca's play, El Escondido y la Tapada:




                                ...the coach appeared to be Guzman's the father of Marcella, which had been overturned by a drunken driver....




                                On 04 Dec 1894, 'drunk driver' appears with reference to a railway engineer in the Aberdeen Journal (Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland; paywalled, emphasis mine):




                                THE DRUNK DRIVER AND HIS ENGINE

                                ...
                                An engine-driver, who was intoxicated, became possessed of some delusion, and in this condition started with his engine and a post van at full speed in pursuit of a passenger train....




                                'Drunk driver' with reference to motor vehicle operators could have occurred as early as 1769 (first steam-powered automobile), but does not seem to have appeared in print before 1912. Then, in the 19 Dec Silver Lake Mirror (Silver Lake, Kansas; paywalled, emphasis mine), it appears in an article reprinted from the Leavenworth Times. The context is informative:




                                Danger from Drinking Men

                                 The Pennsylvania Railroad Company...took measures recently to ascertain which of its thousands of employees are in the habit of using intoxicating liquors and they have seen to it that all such men are taken from places in which they may endanger the safety of trains...The great railroad does not trust a man who drinks.

                                 Some years ago the great Santa Fe system began to discourage drinking by refusing to employ men who were moderate drinkers. The officials realized that what the man calls a moderate amount of stimulant may so affect his brain that he is no longer to be trusted.

                                 A great eastern paper, in a recent issue makes a bitter complaint of the automobile because it is used by men who muddle their brains with drink and then become unsafe as drivers...When [a] drunk driver comes along better take to the fence corner and pray that he doesn't find you.







                                share|improve this answer





















                                • Excellent research, as always.
                                  – Sven Yargs
                                  yesterday










                                • Thanks, Sven. I was unable to improve on the 1828 date for 'drunk driver' of horse-drawn vehicles, although the search was worthwhile if for no other reason than that it brought 'Jehu' to my attention.
                                  – JEL
                                  17 hours ago













                                up vote
                                1
                                down vote










                                up vote
                                1
                                down vote









                                The phrase 'drunken driver' appears at least as early as 1770, in Gentleman's Magazine, v 40, where it is used in an adaptation (called a "translation") of Calderon de la Barca's play, El Escondido y la Tapada:




                                ...the coach appeared to be Guzman's the father of Marcella, which had been overturned by a drunken driver....




                                On 04 Dec 1894, 'drunk driver' appears with reference to a railway engineer in the Aberdeen Journal (Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland; paywalled, emphasis mine):




                                THE DRUNK DRIVER AND HIS ENGINE

                                ...
                                An engine-driver, who was intoxicated, became possessed of some delusion, and in this condition started with his engine and a post van at full speed in pursuit of a passenger train....




                                'Drunk driver' with reference to motor vehicle operators could have occurred as early as 1769 (first steam-powered automobile), but does not seem to have appeared in print before 1912. Then, in the 19 Dec Silver Lake Mirror (Silver Lake, Kansas; paywalled, emphasis mine), it appears in an article reprinted from the Leavenworth Times. The context is informative:




                                Danger from Drinking Men

                                 The Pennsylvania Railroad Company...took measures recently to ascertain which of its thousands of employees are in the habit of using intoxicating liquors and they have seen to it that all such men are taken from places in which they may endanger the safety of trains...The great railroad does not trust a man who drinks.

                                 Some years ago the great Santa Fe system began to discourage drinking by refusing to employ men who were moderate drinkers. The officials realized that what the man calls a moderate amount of stimulant may so affect his brain that he is no longer to be trusted.

                                 A great eastern paper, in a recent issue makes a bitter complaint of the automobile because it is used by men who muddle their brains with drink and then become unsafe as drivers...When [a] drunk driver comes along better take to the fence corner and pray that he doesn't find you.







                                share|improve this answer












                                The phrase 'drunken driver' appears at least as early as 1770, in Gentleman's Magazine, v 40, where it is used in an adaptation (called a "translation") of Calderon de la Barca's play, El Escondido y la Tapada:




                                ...the coach appeared to be Guzman's the father of Marcella, which had been overturned by a drunken driver....




                                On 04 Dec 1894, 'drunk driver' appears with reference to a railway engineer in the Aberdeen Journal (Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland; paywalled, emphasis mine):




                                THE DRUNK DRIVER AND HIS ENGINE

                                ...
                                An engine-driver, who was intoxicated, became possessed of some delusion, and in this condition started with his engine and a post van at full speed in pursuit of a passenger train....




                                'Drunk driver' with reference to motor vehicle operators could have occurred as early as 1769 (first steam-powered automobile), but does not seem to have appeared in print before 1912. Then, in the 19 Dec Silver Lake Mirror (Silver Lake, Kansas; paywalled, emphasis mine), it appears in an article reprinted from the Leavenworth Times. The context is informative:




                                Danger from Drinking Men

                                 The Pennsylvania Railroad Company...took measures recently to ascertain which of its thousands of employees are in the habit of using intoxicating liquors and they have seen to it that all such men are taken from places in which they may endanger the safety of trains...The great railroad does not trust a man who drinks.

                                 Some years ago the great Santa Fe system began to discourage drinking by refusing to employ men who were moderate drinkers. The officials realized that what the man calls a moderate amount of stimulant may so affect his brain that he is no longer to be trusted.

                                 A great eastern paper, in a recent issue makes a bitter complaint of the automobile because it is used by men who muddle their brains with drink and then become unsafe as drivers...When [a] drunk driver comes along better take to the fence corner and pray that he doesn't find you.








                                share|improve this answer












                                share|improve this answer



                                share|improve this answer










                                answered 2 days ago









                                JEL

                                26.2k45190




                                26.2k45190












                                • Excellent research, as always.
                                  – Sven Yargs
                                  yesterday










                                • Thanks, Sven. I was unable to improve on the 1828 date for 'drunk driver' of horse-drawn vehicles, although the search was worthwhile if for no other reason than that it brought 'Jehu' to my attention.
                                  – JEL
                                  17 hours ago


















                                • Excellent research, as always.
                                  – Sven Yargs
                                  yesterday










                                • Thanks, Sven. I was unable to improve on the 1828 date for 'drunk driver' of horse-drawn vehicles, although the search was worthwhile if for no other reason than that it brought 'Jehu' to my attention.
                                  – JEL
                                  17 hours ago
















                                Excellent research, as always.
                                – Sven Yargs
                                yesterday




                                Excellent research, as always.
                                – Sven Yargs
                                yesterday












                                Thanks, Sven. I was unable to improve on the 1828 date for 'drunk driver' of horse-drawn vehicles, although the search was worthwhile if for no other reason than that it brought 'Jehu' to my attention.
                                – JEL
                                17 hours ago




                                Thanks, Sven. I was unable to improve on the 1828 date for 'drunk driver' of horse-drawn vehicles, although the search was worthwhile if for no other reason than that it brought 'Jehu' to my attention.
                                – JEL
                                17 hours ago










                                up vote
                                -4
                                down vote













                                "Drunken driver" from 1829



                                "Drunken driver" from 1839



                                "Drunken driver" from 1815



                                "Drunk driver" from 1841



                                "Drunk driver" from 1848



                                (Hint: If you're going to be doing much of this stuff you need to learn how to use Google Ngram. It is a very powerful tool if you take some time to learn its quirks.)






                                share|improve this answer



















                                • 5




                                  I believe this is what they call a "link-only answer". It could be fixed by putting the quotations in the answer. Your advertisement for G**gle is noted.
                                  – bof
                                  Dec 11 at 3:09






                                • 7




                                  Answers are not solely for the benefit of the OP. We are supposed to be creating a repository of questions and answers for posterity. The usual way to answer such a question would be with a transcribed quotation and a link to the source. Since the source is an image, that would satisfy everyone.
                                  – bof
                                  Dec 11 at 3:48






                                • 4




                                  Moreover, the OP is a first time user and your answer and your comments should take into serious account the highly recommended “be nice policy” of the site.
                                  – user240918
                                  Dec 11 at 7:53








                                • 3




                                  While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
                                  – Chappo
                                  Dec 11 at 8:06






                                • 2




                                  @HotLicks Transcribing is what provides the most value to the answer, for all visitors, including those who are using screen readers. Embedding an image provides value for most visitors. Slapping some links up provides value only as long as those links don't go stale.
                                  – shoover
                                  Dec 11 at 19:56

















                                up vote
                                -4
                                down vote













                                "Drunken driver" from 1829



                                "Drunken driver" from 1839



                                "Drunken driver" from 1815



                                "Drunk driver" from 1841



                                "Drunk driver" from 1848



                                (Hint: If you're going to be doing much of this stuff you need to learn how to use Google Ngram. It is a very powerful tool if you take some time to learn its quirks.)






                                share|improve this answer



















                                • 5




                                  I believe this is what they call a "link-only answer". It could be fixed by putting the quotations in the answer. Your advertisement for G**gle is noted.
                                  – bof
                                  Dec 11 at 3:09






                                • 7




                                  Answers are not solely for the benefit of the OP. We are supposed to be creating a repository of questions and answers for posterity. The usual way to answer such a question would be with a transcribed quotation and a link to the source. Since the source is an image, that would satisfy everyone.
                                  – bof
                                  Dec 11 at 3:48






                                • 4




                                  Moreover, the OP is a first time user and your answer and your comments should take into serious account the highly recommended “be nice policy” of the site.
                                  – user240918
                                  Dec 11 at 7:53








                                • 3




                                  While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
                                  – Chappo
                                  Dec 11 at 8:06






                                • 2




                                  @HotLicks Transcribing is what provides the most value to the answer, for all visitors, including those who are using screen readers. Embedding an image provides value for most visitors. Slapping some links up provides value only as long as those links don't go stale.
                                  – shoover
                                  Dec 11 at 19:56















                                up vote
                                -4
                                down vote










                                up vote
                                -4
                                down vote









                                "Drunken driver" from 1829



                                "Drunken driver" from 1839



                                "Drunken driver" from 1815



                                "Drunk driver" from 1841



                                "Drunk driver" from 1848



                                (Hint: If you're going to be doing much of this stuff you need to learn how to use Google Ngram. It is a very powerful tool if you take some time to learn its quirks.)






                                share|improve this answer














                                "Drunken driver" from 1829



                                "Drunken driver" from 1839



                                "Drunken driver" from 1815



                                "Drunk driver" from 1841



                                "Drunk driver" from 1848



                                (Hint: If you're going to be doing much of this stuff you need to learn how to use Google Ngram. It is a very powerful tool if you take some time to learn its quirks.)







                                share|improve this answer














                                share|improve this answer



                                share|improve this answer








                                edited Dec 11 at 19:37

























                                answered Dec 11 at 2:48









                                Hot Licks

                                18.8k23677




                                18.8k23677








                                • 5




                                  I believe this is what they call a "link-only answer". It could be fixed by putting the quotations in the answer. Your advertisement for G**gle is noted.
                                  – bof
                                  Dec 11 at 3:09






                                • 7




                                  Answers are not solely for the benefit of the OP. We are supposed to be creating a repository of questions and answers for posterity. The usual way to answer such a question would be with a transcribed quotation and a link to the source. Since the source is an image, that would satisfy everyone.
                                  – bof
                                  Dec 11 at 3:48






                                • 4




                                  Moreover, the OP is a first time user and your answer and your comments should take into serious account the highly recommended “be nice policy” of the site.
                                  – user240918
                                  Dec 11 at 7:53








                                • 3




                                  While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
                                  – Chappo
                                  Dec 11 at 8:06






                                • 2




                                  @HotLicks Transcribing is what provides the most value to the answer, for all visitors, including those who are using screen readers. Embedding an image provides value for most visitors. Slapping some links up provides value only as long as those links don't go stale.
                                  – shoover
                                  Dec 11 at 19:56
















                                • 5




                                  I believe this is what they call a "link-only answer". It could be fixed by putting the quotations in the answer. Your advertisement for G**gle is noted.
                                  – bof
                                  Dec 11 at 3:09






                                • 7




                                  Answers are not solely for the benefit of the OP. We are supposed to be creating a repository of questions and answers for posterity. The usual way to answer such a question would be with a transcribed quotation and a link to the source. Since the source is an image, that would satisfy everyone.
                                  – bof
                                  Dec 11 at 3:48






                                • 4




                                  Moreover, the OP is a first time user and your answer and your comments should take into serious account the highly recommended “be nice policy” of the site.
                                  – user240918
                                  Dec 11 at 7:53








                                • 3




                                  While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
                                  – Chappo
                                  Dec 11 at 8:06






                                • 2




                                  @HotLicks Transcribing is what provides the most value to the answer, for all visitors, including those who are using screen readers. Embedding an image provides value for most visitors. Slapping some links up provides value only as long as those links don't go stale.
                                  – shoover
                                  Dec 11 at 19:56










                                5




                                5




                                I believe this is what they call a "link-only answer". It could be fixed by putting the quotations in the answer. Your advertisement for G**gle is noted.
                                – bof
                                Dec 11 at 3:09




                                I believe this is what they call a "link-only answer". It could be fixed by putting the quotations in the answer. Your advertisement for G**gle is noted.
                                – bof
                                Dec 11 at 3:09




                                7




                                7




                                Answers are not solely for the benefit of the OP. We are supposed to be creating a repository of questions and answers for posterity. The usual way to answer such a question would be with a transcribed quotation and a link to the source. Since the source is an image, that would satisfy everyone.
                                – bof
                                Dec 11 at 3:48




                                Answers are not solely for the benefit of the OP. We are supposed to be creating a repository of questions and answers for posterity. The usual way to answer such a question would be with a transcribed quotation and a link to the source. Since the source is an image, that would satisfy everyone.
                                – bof
                                Dec 11 at 3:48




                                4




                                4




                                Moreover, the OP is a first time user and your answer and your comments should take into serious account the highly recommended “be nice policy” of the site.
                                – user240918
                                Dec 11 at 7:53






                                Moreover, the OP is a first time user and your answer and your comments should take into serious account the highly recommended “be nice policy” of the site.
                                – user240918
                                Dec 11 at 7:53






                                3




                                3




                                While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
                                – Chappo
                                Dec 11 at 8:06




                                While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
                                – Chappo
                                Dec 11 at 8:06




                                2




                                2




                                @HotLicks Transcribing is what provides the most value to the answer, for all visitors, including those who are using screen readers. Embedding an image provides value for most visitors. Slapping some links up provides value only as long as those links don't go stale.
                                – shoover
                                Dec 11 at 19:56






                                @HotLicks Transcribing is what provides the most value to the answer, for all visitors, including those who are using screen readers. Embedding an image provides value for most visitors. Slapping some links up provides value only as long as those links don't go stale.
                                – shoover
                                Dec 11 at 19:56












                                etymonline is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.










                                draft saved

                                draft discarded


















                                etymonline is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.













                                etymonline is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.












                                etymonline is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
















                                Thanks for contributing an answer to English Language & Usage Stack Exchange!


                                • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                                But avoid



                                • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                                • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


                                To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.





                                Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.


                                Please pay close attention to the following guidance:


                                • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                                But avoid



                                • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                                • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


                                To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




                                draft saved


                                draft discarded














                                StackExchange.ready(
                                function () {
                                StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fenglish.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f476543%2fback-dating-drunk-driver%23new-answer', 'question_page');
                                }
                                );

                                Post as a guest















                                Required, but never shown





















































                                Required, but never shown














                                Required, but never shown












                                Required, but never shown







                                Required, but never shown

































                                Required, but never shown














                                Required, but never shown












                                Required, but never shown







                                Required, but never shown







                                Popular posts from this blog

                                If I really need a card on my start hand, how many mulligans make sense? [duplicate]

                                Alcedinidae

                                Can an atomic nucleus contain both particles and antiparticles? [duplicate]