Why do Excel line breaks not transfer into Notepad?
When copying a cell with line breaks in Excel and pasting it into Notepad, the text is pasted onto one line. Why is that?
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When copying a cell with line breaks in Excel and pasting it into Notepad, the text is pasted onto one line. Why is that?
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Hello welcome to superuser! Try to provide as much detail as possible so you can get a more detailed answer to your question. Head over to ask your own question page for handy tips to help you ask the best questions. I tested this with Excel 2013 and Notepad++ and that works fine, but I was able to replicate your described issue with the regular Notepad application that comes with Windows OS and that does not work.
– angelofdev
Dec 18 '18 at 22:28
Note that the clipboard can support multiple flavors of the same snippet (raw text up to lots of metadata about where it came from). It is up to the receiving program to determine which it likes best. Notepad is not very smart.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Dec 19 '18 at 15:32
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When copying a cell with line breaks in Excel and pasting it into Notepad, the text is pasted onto one line. Why is that?
microsoft-excel notepad linebreaks
When copying a cell with line breaks in Excel and pasting it into Notepad, the text is pasted onto one line. Why is that?
microsoft-excel notepad linebreaks
microsoft-excel notepad linebreaks
asked Dec 18 '18 at 21:38
Kyle DixonKyle Dixon
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Hello welcome to superuser! Try to provide as much detail as possible so you can get a more detailed answer to your question. Head over to ask your own question page for handy tips to help you ask the best questions. I tested this with Excel 2013 and Notepad++ and that works fine, but I was able to replicate your described issue with the regular Notepad application that comes with Windows OS and that does not work.
– angelofdev
Dec 18 '18 at 22:28
Note that the clipboard can support multiple flavors of the same snippet (raw text up to lots of metadata about where it came from). It is up to the receiving program to determine which it likes best. Notepad is not very smart.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Dec 19 '18 at 15:32
add a comment |
2
Hello welcome to superuser! Try to provide as much detail as possible so you can get a more detailed answer to your question. Head over to ask your own question page for handy tips to help you ask the best questions. I tested this with Excel 2013 and Notepad++ and that works fine, but I was able to replicate your described issue with the regular Notepad application that comes with Windows OS and that does not work.
– angelofdev
Dec 18 '18 at 22:28
Note that the clipboard can support multiple flavors of the same snippet (raw text up to lots of metadata about where it came from). It is up to the receiving program to determine which it likes best. Notepad is not very smart.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Dec 19 '18 at 15:32
2
2
Hello welcome to superuser! Try to provide as much detail as possible so you can get a more detailed answer to your question. Head over to ask your own question page for handy tips to help you ask the best questions. I tested this with Excel 2013 and Notepad++ and that works fine, but I was able to replicate your described issue with the regular Notepad application that comes with Windows OS and that does not work.
– angelofdev
Dec 18 '18 at 22:28
Hello welcome to superuser! Try to provide as much detail as possible so you can get a more detailed answer to your question. Head over to ask your own question page for handy tips to help you ask the best questions. I tested this with Excel 2013 and Notepad++ and that works fine, but I was able to replicate your described issue with the regular Notepad application that comes with Windows OS and that does not work.
– angelofdev
Dec 18 '18 at 22:28
Note that the clipboard can support multiple flavors of the same snippet (raw text up to lots of metadata about where it came from). It is up to the receiving program to determine which it likes best. Notepad is not very smart.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Dec 19 '18 at 15:32
Note that the clipboard can support multiple flavors of the same snippet (raw text up to lots of metadata about where it came from). It is up to the receiving program to determine which it likes best. Notepad is not very smart.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Dec 19 '18 at 15:32
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Its due to the nature of how spreadsheets work. Imagine you have a spreadsheet full of data. If you were to copy an entire row of data, then paste it into Notepad, all of that data needs to be on one line. This is because if you were to copy another row of data and paste it, the next row of data needs to be on one line. If there were line breaks in the first row you copied, the data would no longer be in two linear rows. If you were to copy the data out of Notepad and back into the spreadsheet, it would not paste properly.
3
That makes complete sense, thank you!
– Kyle Dixon
Dec 18 '18 at 23:00
6
This answer is wrong. Try saving your notepad after pasting the text with line break. Then open file with wordpad instead. Just a bug in old versions of notepad. Your should mark the other answer as correct.
– Zak
Dec 19 '18 at 23:34
4
@Keltari Actually no, @Zak is correct. For some reason when you add a line break in Excel (usingAlt+Enter
), only 0xA is entered, not the full 0xD 0xA, which meansLF
, instead ofCR/LF
. Excel interprets this and show the line break, while the plain notepad doesn't, because it expectsCR/LF
. It's a difference in formats being detected more than a bug, but still, that is the correct reason.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 11:51
4
@Keltari There is nothing to argue. Use a binary editor and see what's written in the file.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 12:31
1
@Keltari Honestly these upvotes are mostly the effect from being the accepted answer on a HNQ. You can see how many more people agree with the other answers.
– kapex
Dec 20 '18 at 23:24
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This is true when you use Notepad, which is Microsoft's basic text editor that is already pre-installed in Windows.
However, you can use a more advanced text editor such as PSPad or Notepad++ (both excellent, and free), and you get your line breaks transferred.
Excel:
Cell marked, then copy-paste into Notepad++:
Same content pasted into Notepad (the Windows default editor):
Note that in both cases, quotation marks were added automatically!
The better editors give you also the option to display the control characters such as LineFeed (LF) and CarriageReturn (CR). In Notepad++ this looks like:
As a conclusion: choose your tool depending on your needs. If you need cell boundaries preserved in the editor, but cell contents may be altered a bit, use Notepad. If you need cell contents left untouched including line breaks, and 1:1-reproducibility of cell boundaries is not crucial, use another editor.
Mass processing of such data
If you need both cell borders and cell contents preserved 1:1 at the same time, you may run into problems.
There might be more intelligent solutions, but what I did in such cases was writing a little programme in any language (VBA, Python, or whatever you like most) that reads the contents and adds placeholder strings for the line breaks (something as simple as "###Linebreak###", which can later be re-replaced by CR and LF control characters. Of course, this is fiddly work then and makes sense only if you have to process large amounts of data.
You may run into problems also with the quotation marks that are added. These may at first glance be useful to preserve cell boundaries even when line breaks are included. However, your cell may have quotation marks a part of the original content, and then you get new problems. There are various solutions to this, then, but it needs your attention.
12
Notepad++ showingCR
LF
there is actually because it sees theLF
and assumes it's supposed to be a fullCR
LF
and converts it.
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 2:08
@3D1T0R I suspect that is because a carriage return without line feed would suffer in the readability. It would be delightfully space efficient though.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 19 '18 at 7:57
4
@3D1T0R: it depends on the Notepad++ line ending setting. It's possible to "binary paste" to keep the original Excel formatting, which is indeed a LF only.
– Thomas Weller
Dec 19 '18 at 11:15
1
This should be the accepted answer
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 15:54
1
Do note that Notepad under Windows 10 version 1809 has the option to use LF as a linebreak (instead of CR-LF). If you use that, there's no converting but linebreaks are still displayed properly.
– Erik von Asmuth
Dec 21 '18 at 9:04
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Keltari's answer gives the logical reasoning, while this answer focuses on the technical difference.
There are three different forms of line breaks in use in computing:
- Unix and macOS 10.0+ line endings use a line-feed character (
LF
) - Macintosh (prior to macOS 10.0) line endings use a carriage-return character (
CR
) - Windows line endings use a combination of carriage-return and line-feed characters (
CRLF
)
This is a hold over from the way that type writers work.
Excel uses a combination of these line breaks to represent cells with multiple lines:
- Cells are separated by the
Tab
character. - Rows are separated by the
CRLF
characters. - Multiline cells separate each line using just the
LF
character.
This becomes apparent when you save your workbook as a .txt
file and open it with a text editor that supports showing these characters.
Notepad only processes CRLF
as newlines and ignores LF
or CR
by themselves. They're still in the document, but aren't visible in any way.
Note: You will not see this when pasting back and forth, because Notepad++ automatically adjusts line endings for you, while regular Notepad does not.
3
You should also mention that theLF
is actually still present when pasted in notepad, notepad simply doesn't display it visibly. (It renders effectively the same as a zero width space.) Hence why copying the pasted data back out of notepad into Excel includes these line breaks (although Excel doesn't automatically resize rows to them).
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 1:58
3
Note that this is only how Excel exports workbooks to text files. For xlsx files, lines breaks within a string are actually represented byCRLF
.
– kapex
Dec 19 '18 at 15:39
3
Interestingly, it is entirely possible to construct a cell that "really" contains a CRLF -="A"&CHAR(13)&CHAR(10)&"B"
. Line breaks produced by formulas are not visible in excel, but work fine if copied and then pasted via "paste values". A value pasted from manually typing"A<CRLF>B"
in notepad and copying will also retain the CRLF.
– Random832
Dec 19 '18 at 16:09
3
@3D1T0R is right. Try to copy a single Excel cell with text "anb" (where "n" represents a newline) into Notepad. You will see "ab" in Notepad (with the quotation marks). But if you put the caret in front of "a" and press the Right arrow key on your keyboard three times, you will find that there is an invisible zero-width character between "a" and "b"! Indeed, you can also use the Shift key to select it and copy it to the clipboard!
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:25
2
@AndreasRejbrand: I have used this technique a number of times to make text files withLF
EOLs readable quickly. i.e. Find anLF
character, select it,Ctrl
+C
,Ctrl
+Home
,Ctrl
+F
,Ctrl
+V
,Enter
,Esc
,Enter
. Then repeatedlyF3
,Enter
till end. [Edit: <kbd> doesn't work in comments?]
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 19:21
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Excel uses LF to denote new lines within a cell. Notepad does not consider this to be a new-line as Windows in general uses CRLF for new-lines.
Notepad++ is more intelligent than the relatively simple Notepad and thus interprets LF as a new-line also.
I don't use Notepad++, but out of curiosity: what happens if you have an Excel table consisting of at least two rows containing a multiline cell and copy-paste that into Notepad++?
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:27
1
@AndreasRejbrand The multiline cells will be wrapped in"
and Notepad++ will normalize all of the line endings to match. See here. If you instead save as.txt
and open in Notepad++, the multiline cells will haveLF
only. See here.
– Worthwelle
Dec 20 '18 at 18:07
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Its due to the nature of how spreadsheets work. Imagine you have a spreadsheet full of data. If you were to copy an entire row of data, then paste it into Notepad, all of that data needs to be on one line. This is because if you were to copy another row of data and paste it, the next row of data needs to be on one line. If there were line breaks in the first row you copied, the data would no longer be in two linear rows. If you were to copy the data out of Notepad and back into the spreadsheet, it would not paste properly.
3
That makes complete sense, thank you!
– Kyle Dixon
Dec 18 '18 at 23:00
6
This answer is wrong. Try saving your notepad after pasting the text with line break. Then open file with wordpad instead. Just a bug in old versions of notepad. Your should mark the other answer as correct.
– Zak
Dec 19 '18 at 23:34
4
@Keltari Actually no, @Zak is correct. For some reason when you add a line break in Excel (usingAlt+Enter
), only 0xA is entered, not the full 0xD 0xA, which meansLF
, instead ofCR/LF
. Excel interprets this and show the line break, while the plain notepad doesn't, because it expectsCR/LF
. It's a difference in formats being detected more than a bug, but still, that is the correct reason.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 11:51
4
@Keltari There is nothing to argue. Use a binary editor and see what's written in the file.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 12:31
1
@Keltari Honestly these upvotes are mostly the effect from being the accepted answer on a HNQ. You can see how many more people agree with the other answers.
– kapex
Dec 20 '18 at 23:24
|
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Its due to the nature of how spreadsheets work. Imagine you have a spreadsheet full of data. If you were to copy an entire row of data, then paste it into Notepad, all of that data needs to be on one line. This is because if you were to copy another row of data and paste it, the next row of data needs to be on one line. If there were line breaks in the first row you copied, the data would no longer be in two linear rows. If you were to copy the data out of Notepad and back into the spreadsheet, it would not paste properly.
3
That makes complete sense, thank you!
– Kyle Dixon
Dec 18 '18 at 23:00
6
This answer is wrong. Try saving your notepad after pasting the text with line break. Then open file with wordpad instead. Just a bug in old versions of notepad. Your should mark the other answer as correct.
– Zak
Dec 19 '18 at 23:34
4
@Keltari Actually no, @Zak is correct. For some reason when you add a line break in Excel (usingAlt+Enter
), only 0xA is entered, not the full 0xD 0xA, which meansLF
, instead ofCR/LF
. Excel interprets this and show the line break, while the plain notepad doesn't, because it expectsCR/LF
. It's a difference in formats being detected more than a bug, but still, that is the correct reason.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 11:51
4
@Keltari There is nothing to argue. Use a binary editor and see what's written in the file.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 12:31
1
@Keltari Honestly these upvotes are mostly the effect from being the accepted answer on a HNQ. You can see how many more people agree with the other answers.
– kapex
Dec 20 '18 at 23:24
|
show 2 more comments
Its due to the nature of how spreadsheets work. Imagine you have a spreadsheet full of data. If you were to copy an entire row of data, then paste it into Notepad, all of that data needs to be on one line. This is because if you were to copy another row of data and paste it, the next row of data needs to be on one line. If there were line breaks in the first row you copied, the data would no longer be in two linear rows. If you were to copy the data out of Notepad and back into the spreadsheet, it would not paste properly.
Its due to the nature of how spreadsheets work. Imagine you have a spreadsheet full of data. If you were to copy an entire row of data, then paste it into Notepad, all of that data needs to be on one line. This is because if you were to copy another row of data and paste it, the next row of data needs to be on one line. If there were line breaks in the first row you copied, the data would no longer be in two linear rows. If you were to copy the data out of Notepad and back into the spreadsheet, it would not paste properly.
edited Dec 18 '18 at 21:56
answered Dec 18 '18 at 21:50
KeltariKeltari
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3
That makes complete sense, thank you!
– Kyle Dixon
Dec 18 '18 at 23:00
6
This answer is wrong. Try saving your notepad after pasting the text with line break. Then open file with wordpad instead. Just a bug in old versions of notepad. Your should mark the other answer as correct.
– Zak
Dec 19 '18 at 23:34
4
@Keltari Actually no, @Zak is correct. For some reason when you add a line break in Excel (usingAlt+Enter
), only 0xA is entered, not the full 0xD 0xA, which meansLF
, instead ofCR/LF
. Excel interprets this and show the line break, while the plain notepad doesn't, because it expectsCR/LF
. It's a difference in formats being detected more than a bug, but still, that is the correct reason.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 11:51
4
@Keltari There is nothing to argue. Use a binary editor and see what's written in the file.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 12:31
1
@Keltari Honestly these upvotes are mostly the effect from being the accepted answer on a HNQ. You can see how many more people agree with the other answers.
– kapex
Dec 20 '18 at 23:24
|
show 2 more comments
3
That makes complete sense, thank you!
– Kyle Dixon
Dec 18 '18 at 23:00
6
This answer is wrong. Try saving your notepad after pasting the text with line break. Then open file with wordpad instead. Just a bug in old versions of notepad. Your should mark the other answer as correct.
– Zak
Dec 19 '18 at 23:34
4
@Keltari Actually no, @Zak is correct. For some reason when you add a line break in Excel (usingAlt+Enter
), only 0xA is entered, not the full 0xD 0xA, which meansLF
, instead ofCR/LF
. Excel interprets this and show the line break, while the plain notepad doesn't, because it expectsCR/LF
. It's a difference in formats being detected more than a bug, but still, that is the correct reason.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 11:51
4
@Keltari There is nothing to argue. Use a binary editor and see what's written in the file.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 12:31
1
@Keltari Honestly these upvotes are mostly the effect from being the accepted answer on a HNQ. You can see how many more people agree with the other answers.
– kapex
Dec 20 '18 at 23:24
3
3
That makes complete sense, thank you!
– Kyle Dixon
Dec 18 '18 at 23:00
That makes complete sense, thank you!
– Kyle Dixon
Dec 18 '18 at 23:00
6
6
This answer is wrong. Try saving your notepad after pasting the text with line break. Then open file with wordpad instead. Just a bug in old versions of notepad. Your should mark the other answer as correct.
– Zak
Dec 19 '18 at 23:34
This answer is wrong. Try saving your notepad after pasting the text with line break. Then open file with wordpad instead. Just a bug in old versions of notepad. Your should mark the other answer as correct.
– Zak
Dec 19 '18 at 23:34
4
4
@Keltari Actually no, @Zak is correct. For some reason when you add a line break in Excel (using
Alt+Enter
), only 0xA is entered, not the full 0xD 0xA, which means LF
, instead of CR/LF
. Excel interprets this and show the line break, while the plain notepad doesn't, because it expects CR/LF
. It's a difference in formats being detected more than a bug, but still, that is the correct reason.– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 11:51
@Keltari Actually no, @Zak is correct. For some reason when you add a line break in Excel (using
Alt+Enter
), only 0xA is entered, not the full 0xD 0xA, which means LF
, instead of CR/LF
. Excel interprets this and show the line break, while the plain notepad doesn't, because it expects CR/LF
. It's a difference in formats being detected more than a bug, but still, that is the correct reason.– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 11:51
4
4
@Keltari There is nothing to argue. Use a binary editor and see what's written in the file.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 12:31
@Keltari There is nothing to argue. Use a binary editor and see what's written in the file.
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 12:31
1
1
@Keltari Honestly these upvotes are mostly the effect from being the accepted answer on a HNQ. You can see how many more people agree with the other answers.
– kapex
Dec 20 '18 at 23:24
@Keltari Honestly these upvotes are mostly the effect from being the accepted answer on a HNQ. You can see how many more people agree with the other answers.
– kapex
Dec 20 '18 at 23:24
|
show 2 more comments
This is true when you use Notepad, which is Microsoft's basic text editor that is already pre-installed in Windows.
However, you can use a more advanced text editor such as PSPad or Notepad++ (both excellent, and free), and you get your line breaks transferred.
Excel:
Cell marked, then copy-paste into Notepad++:
Same content pasted into Notepad (the Windows default editor):
Note that in both cases, quotation marks were added automatically!
The better editors give you also the option to display the control characters such as LineFeed (LF) and CarriageReturn (CR). In Notepad++ this looks like:
As a conclusion: choose your tool depending on your needs. If you need cell boundaries preserved in the editor, but cell contents may be altered a bit, use Notepad. If you need cell contents left untouched including line breaks, and 1:1-reproducibility of cell boundaries is not crucial, use another editor.
Mass processing of such data
If you need both cell borders and cell contents preserved 1:1 at the same time, you may run into problems.
There might be more intelligent solutions, but what I did in such cases was writing a little programme in any language (VBA, Python, or whatever you like most) that reads the contents and adds placeholder strings for the line breaks (something as simple as "###Linebreak###", which can later be re-replaced by CR and LF control characters. Of course, this is fiddly work then and makes sense only if you have to process large amounts of data.
You may run into problems also with the quotation marks that are added. These may at first glance be useful to preserve cell boundaries even when line breaks are included. However, your cell may have quotation marks a part of the original content, and then you get new problems. There are various solutions to this, then, but it needs your attention.
12
Notepad++ showingCR
LF
there is actually because it sees theLF
and assumes it's supposed to be a fullCR
LF
and converts it.
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 2:08
@3D1T0R I suspect that is because a carriage return without line feed would suffer in the readability. It would be delightfully space efficient though.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 19 '18 at 7:57
4
@3D1T0R: it depends on the Notepad++ line ending setting. It's possible to "binary paste" to keep the original Excel formatting, which is indeed a LF only.
– Thomas Weller
Dec 19 '18 at 11:15
1
This should be the accepted answer
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 15:54
1
Do note that Notepad under Windows 10 version 1809 has the option to use LF as a linebreak (instead of CR-LF). If you use that, there's no converting but linebreaks are still displayed properly.
– Erik von Asmuth
Dec 21 '18 at 9:04
add a comment |
This is true when you use Notepad, which is Microsoft's basic text editor that is already pre-installed in Windows.
However, you can use a more advanced text editor such as PSPad or Notepad++ (both excellent, and free), and you get your line breaks transferred.
Excel:
Cell marked, then copy-paste into Notepad++:
Same content pasted into Notepad (the Windows default editor):
Note that in both cases, quotation marks were added automatically!
The better editors give you also the option to display the control characters such as LineFeed (LF) and CarriageReturn (CR). In Notepad++ this looks like:
As a conclusion: choose your tool depending on your needs. If you need cell boundaries preserved in the editor, but cell contents may be altered a bit, use Notepad. If you need cell contents left untouched including line breaks, and 1:1-reproducibility of cell boundaries is not crucial, use another editor.
Mass processing of such data
If you need both cell borders and cell contents preserved 1:1 at the same time, you may run into problems.
There might be more intelligent solutions, but what I did in such cases was writing a little programme in any language (VBA, Python, or whatever you like most) that reads the contents and adds placeholder strings for the line breaks (something as simple as "###Linebreak###", which can later be re-replaced by CR and LF control characters. Of course, this is fiddly work then and makes sense only if you have to process large amounts of data.
You may run into problems also with the quotation marks that are added. These may at first glance be useful to preserve cell boundaries even when line breaks are included. However, your cell may have quotation marks a part of the original content, and then you get new problems. There are various solutions to this, then, but it needs your attention.
12
Notepad++ showingCR
LF
there is actually because it sees theLF
and assumes it's supposed to be a fullCR
LF
and converts it.
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 2:08
@3D1T0R I suspect that is because a carriage return without line feed would suffer in the readability. It would be delightfully space efficient though.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 19 '18 at 7:57
4
@3D1T0R: it depends on the Notepad++ line ending setting. It's possible to "binary paste" to keep the original Excel formatting, which is indeed a LF only.
– Thomas Weller
Dec 19 '18 at 11:15
1
This should be the accepted answer
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 15:54
1
Do note that Notepad under Windows 10 version 1809 has the option to use LF as a linebreak (instead of CR-LF). If you use that, there's no converting but linebreaks are still displayed properly.
– Erik von Asmuth
Dec 21 '18 at 9:04
add a comment |
This is true when you use Notepad, which is Microsoft's basic text editor that is already pre-installed in Windows.
However, you can use a more advanced text editor such as PSPad or Notepad++ (both excellent, and free), and you get your line breaks transferred.
Excel:
Cell marked, then copy-paste into Notepad++:
Same content pasted into Notepad (the Windows default editor):
Note that in both cases, quotation marks were added automatically!
The better editors give you also the option to display the control characters such as LineFeed (LF) and CarriageReturn (CR). In Notepad++ this looks like:
As a conclusion: choose your tool depending on your needs. If you need cell boundaries preserved in the editor, but cell contents may be altered a bit, use Notepad. If you need cell contents left untouched including line breaks, and 1:1-reproducibility of cell boundaries is not crucial, use another editor.
Mass processing of such data
If you need both cell borders and cell contents preserved 1:1 at the same time, you may run into problems.
There might be more intelligent solutions, but what I did in such cases was writing a little programme in any language (VBA, Python, or whatever you like most) that reads the contents and adds placeholder strings for the line breaks (something as simple as "###Linebreak###", which can later be re-replaced by CR and LF control characters. Of course, this is fiddly work then and makes sense only if you have to process large amounts of data.
You may run into problems also with the quotation marks that are added. These may at first glance be useful to preserve cell boundaries even when line breaks are included. However, your cell may have quotation marks a part of the original content, and then you get new problems. There are various solutions to this, then, but it needs your attention.
This is true when you use Notepad, which is Microsoft's basic text editor that is already pre-installed in Windows.
However, you can use a more advanced text editor such as PSPad or Notepad++ (both excellent, and free), and you get your line breaks transferred.
Excel:
Cell marked, then copy-paste into Notepad++:
Same content pasted into Notepad (the Windows default editor):
Note that in both cases, quotation marks were added automatically!
The better editors give you also the option to display the control characters such as LineFeed (LF) and CarriageReturn (CR). In Notepad++ this looks like:
As a conclusion: choose your tool depending on your needs. If you need cell boundaries preserved in the editor, but cell contents may be altered a bit, use Notepad. If you need cell contents left untouched including line breaks, and 1:1-reproducibility of cell boundaries is not crucial, use another editor.
Mass processing of such data
If you need both cell borders and cell contents preserved 1:1 at the same time, you may run into problems.
There might be more intelligent solutions, but what I did in such cases was writing a little programme in any language (VBA, Python, or whatever you like most) that reads the contents and adds placeholder strings for the line breaks (something as simple as "###Linebreak###", which can later be re-replaced by CR and LF control characters. Of course, this is fiddly work then and makes sense only if you have to process large amounts of data.
You may run into problems also with the quotation marks that are added. These may at first glance be useful to preserve cell boundaries even when line breaks are included. However, your cell may have quotation marks a part of the original content, and then you get new problems. There are various solutions to this, then, but it needs your attention.
edited Dec 20 '18 at 19:34
Run5k
10.8k73051
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answered Dec 18 '18 at 22:17
Christian GeiselmannChristian Geiselmann
636412
636412
12
Notepad++ showingCR
LF
there is actually because it sees theLF
and assumes it's supposed to be a fullCR
LF
and converts it.
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 2:08
@3D1T0R I suspect that is because a carriage return without line feed would suffer in the readability. It would be delightfully space efficient though.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 19 '18 at 7:57
4
@3D1T0R: it depends on the Notepad++ line ending setting. It's possible to "binary paste" to keep the original Excel formatting, which is indeed a LF only.
– Thomas Weller
Dec 19 '18 at 11:15
1
This should be the accepted answer
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 15:54
1
Do note that Notepad under Windows 10 version 1809 has the option to use LF as a linebreak (instead of CR-LF). If you use that, there's no converting but linebreaks are still displayed properly.
– Erik von Asmuth
Dec 21 '18 at 9:04
add a comment |
12
Notepad++ showingCR
LF
there is actually because it sees theLF
and assumes it's supposed to be a fullCR
LF
and converts it.
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 2:08
@3D1T0R I suspect that is because a carriage return without line feed would suffer in the readability. It would be delightfully space efficient though.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 19 '18 at 7:57
4
@3D1T0R: it depends on the Notepad++ line ending setting. It's possible to "binary paste" to keep the original Excel formatting, which is indeed a LF only.
– Thomas Weller
Dec 19 '18 at 11:15
1
This should be the accepted answer
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 15:54
1
Do note that Notepad under Windows 10 version 1809 has the option to use LF as a linebreak (instead of CR-LF). If you use that, there's no converting but linebreaks are still displayed properly.
– Erik von Asmuth
Dec 21 '18 at 9:04
12
12
Notepad++ showing
CR
LF
there is actually because it sees the LF
and assumes it's supposed to be a full CR
LF
and converts it.– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 2:08
Notepad++ showing
CR
LF
there is actually because it sees the LF
and assumes it's supposed to be a full CR
LF
and converts it.– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 2:08
@3D1T0R I suspect that is because a carriage return without line feed would suffer in the readability. It would be delightfully space efficient though.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 19 '18 at 7:57
@3D1T0R I suspect that is because a carriage return without line feed would suffer in the readability. It would be delightfully space efficient though.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 19 '18 at 7:57
4
4
@3D1T0R: it depends on the Notepad++ line ending setting. It's possible to "binary paste" to keep the original Excel formatting, which is indeed a LF only.
– Thomas Weller
Dec 19 '18 at 11:15
@3D1T0R: it depends on the Notepad++ line ending setting. It's possible to "binary paste" to keep the original Excel formatting, which is indeed a LF only.
– Thomas Weller
Dec 19 '18 at 11:15
1
1
This should be the accepted answer
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 15:54
This should be the accepted answer
– ChatterOne
Dec 20 '18 at 15:54
1
1
Do note that Notepad under Windows 10 version 1809 has the option to use LF as a linebreak (instead of CR-LF). If you use that, there's no converting but linebreaks are still displayed properly.
– Erik von Asmuth
Dec 21 '18 at 9:04
Do note that Notepad under Windows 10 version 1809 has the option to use LF as a linebreak (instead of CR-LF). If you use that, there's no converting but linebreaks are still displayed properly.
– Erik von Asmuth
Dec 21 '18 at 9:04
add a comment |
Keltari's answer gives the logical reasoning, while this answer focuses on the technical difference.
There are three different forms of line breaks in use in computing:
- Unix and macOS 10.0+ line endings use a line-feed character (
LF
) - Macintosh (prior to macOS 10.0) line endings use a carriage-return character (
CR
) - Windows line endings use a combination of carriage-return and line-feed characters (
CRLF
)
This is a hold over from the way that type writers work.
Excel uses a combination of these line breaks to represent cells with multiple lines:
- Cells are separated by the
Tab
character. - Rows are separated by the
CRLF
characters. - Multiline cells separate each line using just the
LF
character.
This becomes apparent when you save your workbook as a .txt
file and open it with a text editor that supports showing these characters.
Notepad only processes CRLF
as newlines and ignores LF
or CR
by themselves. They're still in the document, but aren't visible in any way.
Note: You will not see this when pasting back and forth, because Notepad++ automatically adjusts line endings for you, while regular Notepad does not.
3
You should also mention that theLF
is actually still present when pasted in notepad, notepad simply doesn't display it visibly. (It renders effectively the same as a zero width space.) Hence why copying the pasted data back out of notepad into Excel includes these line breaks (although Excel doesn't automatically resize rows to them).
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 1:58
3
Note that this is only how Excel exports workbooks to text files. For xlsx files, lines breaks within a string are actually represented byCRLF
.
– kapex
Dec 19 '18 at 15:39
3
Interestingly, it is entirely possible to construct a cell that "really" contains a CRLF -="A"&CHAR(13)&CHAR(10)&"B"
. Line breaks produced by formulas are not visible in excel, but work fine if copied and then pasted via "paste values". A value pasted from manually typing"A<CRLF>B"
in notepad and copying will also retain the CRLF.
– Random832
Dec 19 '18 at 16:09
3
@3D1T0R is right. Try to copy a single Excel cell with text "anb" (where "n" represents a newline) into Notepad. You will see "ab" in Notepad (with the quotation marks). But if you put the caret in front of "a" and press the Right arrow key on your keyboard three times, you will find that there is an invisible zero-width character between "a" and "b"! Indeed, you can also use the Shift key to select it and copy it to the clipboard!
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:25
2
@AndreasRejbrand: I have used this technique a number of times to make text files withLF
EOLs readable quickly. i.e. Find anLF
character, select it,Ctrl
+C
,Ctrl
+Home
,Ctrl
+F
,Ctrl
+V
,Enter
,Esc
,Enter
. Then repeatedlyF3
,Enter
till end. [Edit: <kbd> doesn't work in comments?]
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 19:21
|
show 3 more comments
Keltari's answer gives the logical reasoning, while this answer focuses on the technical difference.
There are three different forms of line breaks in use in computing:
- Unix and macOS 10.0+ line endings use a line-feed character (
LF
) - Macintosh (prior to macOS 10.0) line endings use a carriage-return character (
CR
) - Windows line endings use a combination of carriage-return and line-feed characters (
CRLF
)
This is a hold over from the way that type writers work.
Excel uses a combination of these line breaks to represent cells with multiple lines:
- Cells are separated by the
Tab
character. - Rows are separated by the
CRLF
characters. - Multiline cells separate each line using just the
LF
character.
This becomes apparent when you save your workbook as a .txt
file and open it with a text editor that supports showing these characters.
Notepad only processes CRLF
as newlines and ignores LF
or CR
by themselves. They're still in the document, but aren't visible in any way.
Note: You will not see this when pasting back and forth, because Notepad++ automatically adjusts line endings for you, while regular Notepad does not.
3
You should also mention that theLF
is actually still present when pasted in notepad, notepad simply doesn't display it visibly. (It renders effectively the same as a zero width space.) Hence why copying the pasted data back out of notepad into Excel includes these line breaks (although Excel doesn't automatically resize rows to them).
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 1:58
3
Note that this is only how Excel exports workbooks to text files. For xlsx files, lines breaks within a string are actually represented byCRLF
.
– kapex
Dec 19 '18 at 15:39
3
Interestingly, it is entirely possible to construct a cell that "really" contains a CRLF -="A"&CHAR(13)&CHAR(10)&"B"
. Line breaks produced by formulas are not visible in excel, but work fine if copied and then pasted via "paste values". A value pasted from manually typing"A<CRLF>B"
in notepad and copying will also retain the CRLF.
– Random832
Dec 19 '18 at 16:09
3
@3D1T0R is right. Try to copy a single Excel cell with text "anb" (where "n" represents a newline) into Notepad. You will see "ab" in Notepad (with the quotation marks). But if you put the caret in front of "a" and press the Right arrow key on your keyboard three times, you will find that there is an invisible zero-width character between "a" and "b"! Indeed, you can also use the Shift key to select it and copy it to the clipboard!
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:25
2
@AndreasRejbrand: I have used this technique a number of times to make text files withLF
EOLs readable quickly. i.e. Find anLF
character, select it,Ctrl
+C
,Ctrl
+Home
,Ctrl
+F
,Ctrl
+V
,Enter
,Esc
,Enter
. Then repeatedlyF3
,Enter
till end. [Edit: <kbd> doesn't work in comments?]
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 19:21
|
show 3 more comments
Keltari's answer gives the logical reasoning, while this answer focuses on the technical difference.
There are three different forms of line breaks in use in computing:
- Unix and macOS 10.0+ line endings use a line-feed character (
LF
) - Macintosh (prior to macOS 10.0) line endings use a carriage-return character (
CR
) - Windows line endings use a combination of carriage-return and line-feed characters (
CRLF
)
This is a hold over from the way that type writers work.
Excel uses a combination of these line breaks to represent cells with multiple lines:
- Cells are separated by the
Tab
character. - Rows are separated by the
CRLF
characters. - Multiline cells separate each line using just the
LF
character.
This becomes apparent when you save your workbook as a .txt
file and open it with a text editor that supports showing these characters.
Notepad only processes CRLF
as newlines and ignores LF
or CR
by themselves. They're still in the document, but aren't visible in any way.
Note: You will not see this when pasting back and forth, because Notepad++ automatically adjusts line endings for you, while regular Notepad does not.
Keltari's answer gives the logical reasoning, while this answer focuses on the technical difference.
There are three different forms of line breaks in use in computing:
- Unix and macOS 10.0+ line endings use a line-feed character (
LF
) - Macintosh (prior to macOS 10.0) line endings use a carriage-return character (
CR
) - Windows line endings use a combination of carriage-return and line-feed characters (
CRLF
)
This is a hold over from the way that type writers work.
Excel uses a combination of these line breaks to represent cells with multiple lines:
- Cells are separated by the
Tab
character. - Rows are separated by the
CRLF
characters. - Multiline cells separate each line using just the
LF
character.
This becomes apparent when you save your workbook as a .txt
file and open it with a text editor that supports showing these characters.
Notepad only processes CRLF
as newlines and ignores LF
or CR
by themselves. They're still in the document, but aren't visible in any way.
Note: You will not see this when pasting back and forth, because Notepad++ automatically adjusts line endings for you, while regular Notepad does not.
edited Dec 19 '18 at 2:24
answered Dec 18 '18 at 22:33
WorthwelleWorthwelle
2,68731125
2,68731125
3
You should also mention that theLF
is actually still present when pasted in notepad, notepad simply doesn't display it visibly. (It renders effectively the same as a zero width space.) Hence why copying the pasted data back out of notepad into Excel includes these line breaks (although Excel doesn't automatically resize rows to them).
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 1:58
3
Note that this is only how Excel exports workbooks to text files. For xlsx files, lines breaks within a string are actually represented byCRLF
.
– kapex
Dec 19 '18 at 15:39
3
Interestingly, it is entirely possible to construct a cell that "really" contains a CRLF -="A"&CHAR(13)&CHAR(10)&"B"
. Line breaks produced by formulas are not visible in excel, but work fine if copied and then pasted via "paste values". A value pasted from manually typing"A<CRLF>B"
in notepad and copying will also retain the CRLF.
– Random832
Dec 19 '18 at 16:09
3
@3D1T0R is right. Try to copy a single Excel cell with text "anb" (where "n" represents a newline) into Notepad. You will see "ab" in Notepad (with the quotation marks). But if you put the caret in front of "a" and press the Right arrow key on your keyboard three times, you will find that there is an invisible zero-width character between "a" and "b"! Indeed, you can also use the Shift key to select it and copy it to the clipboard!
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:25
2
@AndreasRejbrand: I have used this technique a number of times to make text files withLF
EOLs readable quickly. i.e. Find anLF
character, select it,Ctrl
+C
,Ctrl
+Home
,Ctrl
+F
,Ctrl
+V
,Enter
,Esc
,Enter
. Then repeatedlyF3
,Enter
till end. [Edit: <kbd> doesn't work in comments?]
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 19:21
|
show 3 more comments
3
You should also mention that theLF
is actually still present when pasted in notepad, notepad simply doesn't display it visibly. (It renders effectively the same as a zero width space.) Hence why copying the pasted data back out of notepad into Excel includes these line breaks (although Excel doesn't automatically resize rows to them).
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 1:58
3
Note that this is only how Excel exports workbooks to text files. For xlsx files, lines breaks within a string are actually represented byCRLF
.
– kapex
Dec 19 '18 at 15:39
3
Interestingly, it is entirely possible to construct a cell that "really" contains a CRLF -="A"&CHAR(13)&CHAR(10)&"B"
. Line breaks produced by formulas are not visible in excel, but work fine if copied and then pasted via "paste values". A value pasted from manually typing"A<CRLF>B"
in notepad and copying will also retain the CRLF.
– Random832
Dec 19 '18 at 16:09
3
@3D1T0R is right. Try to copy a single Excel cell with text "anb" (where "n" represents a newline) into Notepad. You will see "ab" in Notepad (with the quotation marks). But if you put the caret in front of "a" and press the Right arrow key on your keyboard three times, you will find that there is an invisible zero-width character between "a" and "b"! Indeed, you can also use the Shift key to select it and copy it to the clipboard!
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:25
2
@AndreasRejbrand: I have used this technique a number of times to make text files withLF
EOLs readable quickly. i.e. Find anLF
character, select it,Ctrl
+C
,Ctrl
+Home
,Ctrl
+F
,Ctrl
+V
,Enter
,Esc
,Enter
. Then repeatedlyF3
,Enter
till end. [Edit: <kbd> doesn't work in comments?]
– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 19:21
3
3
You should also mention that the
LF
is actually still present when pasted in notepad, notepad simply doesn't display it visibly. (It renders effectively the same as a zero width space.) Hence why copying the pasted data back out of notepad into Excel includes these line breaks (although Excel doesn't automatically resize rows to them).– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 1:58
You should also mention that the
LF
is actually still present when pasted in notepad, notepad simply doesn't display it visibly. (It renders effectively the same as a zero width space.) Hence why copying the pasted data back out of notepad into Excel includes these line breaks (although Excel doesn't automatically resize rows to them).– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 1:58
3
3
Note that this is only how Excel exports workbooks to text files. For xlsx files, lines breaks within a string are actually represented by
CRLF
.– kapex
Dec 19 '18 at 15:39
Note that this is only how Excel exports workbooks to text files. For xlsx files, lines breaks within a string are actually represented by
CRLF
.– kapex
Dec 19 '18 at 15:39
3
3
Interestingly, it is entirely possible to construct a cell that "really" contains a CRLF -
="A"&CHAR(13)&CHAR(10)&"B"
. Line breaks produced by formulas are not visible in excel, but work fine if copied and then pasted via "paste values". A value pasted from manually typing "A<CRLF>B"
in notepad and copying will also retain the CRLF.– Random832
Dec 19 '18 at 16:09
Interestingly, it is entirely possible to construct a cell that "really" contains a CRLF -
="A"&CHAR(13)&CHAR(10)&"B"
. Line breaks produced by formulas are not visible in excel, but work fine if copied and then pasted via "paste values". A value pasted from manually typing "A<CRLF>B"
in notepad and copying will also retain the CRLF.– Random832
Dec 19 '18 at 16:09
3
3
@3D1T0R is right. Try to copy a single Excel cell with text "anb" (where "n" represents a newline) into Notepad. You will see "ab" in Notepad (with the quotation marks). But if you put the caret in front of "a" and press the Right arrow key on your keyboard three times, you will find that there is an invisible zero-width character between "a" and "b"! Indeed, you can also use the Shift key to select it and copy it to the clipboard!
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:25
@3D1T0R is right. Try to copy a single Excel cell with text "anb" (where "n" represents a newline) into Notepad. You will see "ab" in Notepad (with the quotation marks). But if you put the caret in front of "a" and press the Right arrow key on your keyboard three times, you will find that there is an invisible zero-width character between "a" and "b"! Indeed, you can also use the Shift key to select it and copy it to the clipboard!
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:25
2
2
@AndreasRejbrand: I have used this technique a number of times to make text files with
LF
EOLs readable quickly. i.e. Find an LF
character, select it, Ctrl
+C
, Ctrl
+Home
, Ctrl
+F
, Ctrl
+V
, Enter
, Esc
, Enter
. Then repeatedly F3
, Enter
till end. [Edit: <kbd> doesn't work in comments?]– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 19:21
@AndreasRejbrand: I have used this technique a number of times to make text files with
LF
EOLs readable quickly. i.e. Find an LF
character, select it, Ctrl
+C
, Ctrl
+Home
, Ctrl
+F
, Ctrl
+V
, Enter
, Esc
, Enter
. Then repeatedly F3
, Enter
till end. [Edit: <kbd> doesn't work in comments?]– 3D1T0R
Dec 19 '18 at 19:21
|
show 3 more comments
Excel uses LF to denote new lines within a cell. Notepad does not consider this to be a new-line as Windows in general uses CRLF for new-lines.
Notepad++ is more intelligent than the relatively simple Notepad and thus interprets LF as a new-line also.
I don't use Notepad++, but out of curiosity: what happens if you have an Excel table consisting of at least two rows containing a multiline cell and copy-paste that into Notepad++?
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:27
1
@AndreasRejbrand The multiline cells will be wrapped in"
and Notepad++ will normalize all of the line endings to match. See here. If you instead save as.txt
and open in Notepad++, the multiline cells will haveLF
only. See here.
– Worthwelle
Dec 20 '18 at 18:07
add a comment |
Excel uses LF to denote new lines within a cell. Notepad does not consider this to be a new-line as Windows in general uses CRLF for new-lines.
Notepad++ is more intelligent than the relatively simple Notepad and thus interprets LF as a new-line also.
I don't use Notepad++, but out of curiosity: what happens if you have an Excel table consisting of at least two rows containing a multiline cell and copy-paste that into Notepad++?
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:27
1
@AndreasRejbrand The multiline cells will be wrapped in"
and Notepad++ will normalize all of the line endings to match. See here. If you instead save as.txt
and open in Notepad++, the multiline cells will haveLF
only. See here.
– Worthwelle
Dec 20 '18 at 18:07
add a comment |
Excel uses LF to denote new lines within a cell. Notepad does not consider this to be a new-line as Windows in general uses CRLF for new-lines.
Notepad++ is more intelligent than the relatively simple Notepad and thus interprets LF as a new-line also.
Excel uses LF to denote new lines within a cell. Notepad does not consider this to be a new-line as Windows in general uses CRLF for new-lines.
Notepad++ is more intelligent than the relatively simple Notepad and thus interprets LF as a new-line also.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 11:24
Benjamin GoodacreBenjamin Goodacre
486410
486410
I don't use Notepad++, but out of curiosity: what happens if you have an Excel table consisting of at least two rows containing a multiline cell and copy-paste that into Notepad++?
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:27
1
@AndreasRejbrand The multiline cells will be wrapped in"
and Notepad++ will normalize all of the line endings to match. See here. If you instead save as.txt
and open in Notepad++, the multiline cells will haveLF
only. See here.
– Worthwelle
Dec 20 '18 at 18:07
add a comment |
I don't use Notepad++, but out of curiosity: what happens if you have an Excel table consisting of at least two rows containing a multiline cell and copy-paste that into Notepad++?
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:27
1
@AndreasRejbrand The multiline cells will be wrapped in"
and Notepad++ will normalize all of the line endings to match. See here. If you instead save as.txt
and open in Notepad++, the multiline cells will haveLF
only. See here.
– Worthwelle
Dec 20 '18 at 18:07
I don't use Notepad++, but out of curiosity: what happens if you have an Excel table consisting of at least two rows containing a multiline cell and copy-paste that into Notepad++?
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:27
I don't use Notepad++, but out of curiosity: what happens if you have an Excel table consisting of at least two rows containing a multiline cell and copy-paste that into Notepad++?
– Andreas Rejbrand
Dec 19 '18 at 18:27
1
1
@AndreasRejbrand The multiline cells will be wrapped in
"
and Notepad++ will normalize all of the line endings to match. See here. If you instead save as .txt
and open in Notepad++, the multiline cells will have LF
only. See here.– Worthwelle
Dec 20 '18 at 18:07
@AndreasRejbrand The multiline cells will be wrapped in
"
and Notepad++ will normalize all of the line endings to match. See here. If you instead save as .txt
and open in Notepad++, the multiline cells will have LF
only. See here.– Worthwelle
Dec 20 '18 at 18:07
add a comment |
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Hello welcome to superuser! Try to provide as much detail as possible so you can get a more detailed answer to your question. Head over to ask your own question page for handy tips to help you ask the best questions. I tested this with Excel 2013 and Notepad++ and that works fine, but I was able to replicate your described issue with the regular Notepad application that comes with Windows OS and that does not work.
– angelofdev
Dec 18 '18 at 22:28
Note that the clipboard can support multiple flavors of the same snippet (raw text up to lots of metadata about where it came from). It is up to the receiving program to determine which it likes best. Notepad is not very smart.
– Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Dec 19 '18 at 15:32