Why is the output from `groups` different from `groups user` if Im currently logged in as user?












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Im not sure why the following have different output. My understanding is that groups without specifying a user give all the groups the currently logged in user is a member of.



jacob@box:~$ groups
jacob adm lp dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin sambashare

jacob@box:~$ groups jacob
jacob : jacob


Also what does it mean "groups of the current process" (from the groups man page)? Where are they set up?



NOTE: My distro is Ubuntu.










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  • @Jake Try logging out and then back in.
    – cnicutar
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  • I am having this issue in reverse. 'groups myname' gives me all the groups I have in the /etc/groups file, but doing just 'groups' shows me only my primary group. And, indeed, commands that require I be in a certain supplementary group fail due to lack of permissions. Sure wish I knew what was causing this.
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    Dec 10 at 20:57
















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Im not sure why the following have different output. My understanding is that groups without specifying a user give all the groups the currently logged in user is a member of.



jacob@box:~$ groups
jacob adm lp dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin sambashare

jacob@box:~$ groups jacob
jacob : jacob


Also what does it mean "groups of the current process" (from the groups man page)? Where are they set up?



NOTE: My distro is Ubuntu.










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  • @Jake Try logging out and then back in.
    – cnicutar
    Jun 8 '11 at 17:58










  • I am having this issue in reverse. 'groups myname' gives me all the groups I have in the /etc/groups file, but doing just 'groups' shows me only my primary group. And, indeed, commands that require I be in a certain supplementary group fail due to lack of permissions. Sure wish I knew what was causing this.
    – Todd Walton
    Dec 10 at 20:57














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Im not sure why the following have different output. My understanding is that groups without specifying a user give all the groups the currently logged in user is a member of.



jacob@box:~$ groups
jacob adm lp dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin sambashare

jacob@box:~$ groups jacob
jacob : jacob


Also what does it mean "groups of the current process" (from the groups man page)? Where are they set up?



NOTE: My distro is Ubuntu.










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Im not sure why the following have different output. My understanding is that groups without specifying a user give all the groups the currently logged in user is a member of.



jacob@box:~$ groups
jacob adm lp dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin sambashare

jacob@box:~$ groups jacob
jacob : jacob


Also what does it mean "groups of the current process" (from the groups man page)? Where are they set up?



NOTE: My distro is Ubuntu.







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  • @Jake Try logging out and then back in.
    – cnicutar
    Jun 8 '11 at 17:58










  • I am having this issue in reverse. 'groups myname' gives me all the groups I have in the /etc/groups file, but doing just 'groups' shows me only my primary group. And, indeed, commands that require I be in a certain supplementary group fail due to lack of permissions. Sure wish I knew what was causing this.
    – Todd Walton
    Dec 10 at 20:57


















  • @Jake Try logging out and then back in.
    – cnicutar
    Jun 8 '11 at 17:58










  • I am having this issue in reverse. 'groups myname' gives me all the groups I have in the /etc/groups file, but doing just 'groups' shows me only my primary group. And, indeed, commands that require I be in a certain supplementary group fail due to lack of permissions. Sure wish I knew what was causing this.
    – Todd Walton
    Dec 10 at 20:57
















@Jake Try logging out and then back in.
– cnicutar
Jun 8 '11 at 17:58




@Jake Try logging out and then back in.
– cnicutar
Jun 8 '11 at 17:58












I am having this issue in reverse. 'groups myname' gives me all the groups I have in the /etc/groups file, but doing just 'groups' shows me only my primary group. And, indeed, commands that require I be in a certain supplementary group fail due to lack of permissions. Sure wish I knew what was causing this.
– Todd Walton
Dec 10 at 20:57




I am having this issue in reverse. 'groups myname' gives me all the groups I have in the /etc/groups file, but doing just 'groups' shows me only my primary group. And, indeed, commands that require I be in a certain supplementary group fail due to lack of permissions. Sure wish I knew what was causing this.
– Todd Walton
Dec 10 at 20:57










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It could be one of the following:




  • It could be a bug (although I doubt it)

  • You may need to logout and login again


The groups are set in the /etc/group.






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    Just as every process has a current real and effective user ID, and a real and effective group ID, it also has a list of supplementary groups. These are numbers (not names) all maintained by the kernel. They are set by the login process (or display manager) when you log it, just like your user ID. They are inherited by sub-processes, just like your user ID.



    When you run groups with no arguments, it ultimately invokes getgroups() to obtain the supplementary group list from the kernel. (On my Linux system, /usr/bin/groups is a shell script that runs "id -Gn", which in turn invokes getgroups().)



    When you run groups username, the command has to "guess" what the supplementary groups will be when that user logs in. It generally does this by reading /etc/group or talking to NIS or talking to nscd or... Well, there are a lot of ways it might work.



    What you are observing is similar to discovering that your current real user ID and your entry in /etc/passwd are inconsistent. This means there is something a little odd about your system's configuration, but it is hard to say what without more investigation.






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      (Remark: The groups command, although still useful, is mostly superseded by
      the id command.)



      A user has a primary group that is traditionally defined in the file
      /etc/passwd file with which he logs in, but that today may have other sources.
      He may also be a member of additional groups, known as secondary or
      supplementary groups,
      traditionally specified in the file /etc/groups,
      but which today can also come from or be implied by
      additional sources (such as NIS, LDAP, SAMBA etc).



      Primary and supplementary groups are defined at the time of login and remain current.
      However, the user can at any time change his current active primary group
      by using the newgrp command.



      The login process sets the primary and supplementary groups.
      For the later, it typically calls the libc function
      initgroups,
      which compiles the list of supplementary group data and passes it to the
      setgroups function,
      which establishes it in the context of the process.



      The sources of information for initgroups are:





      • /etc/passwd for the primary login


      • /etc/groups
        for supplementary groups


      • /etc/nsswitch.conf
        for sources to supplementary groups, which is described as:



      used by the GNU C Library and certain other applications to
      determine the sources from which to obtain name-service information
      in a range of categories, and in what order. Each category of
      information is identified by a database name.




      The groups command shows the groups as currently applied to your user,
      and the list will start with the current primary group followed by the
      supplementary groups from the time of login.
      Any changes to the sources of the data from after the time of login
      are not reflected in the displayed list.



      The groups username command is asking Linux to calculate the groups for that user,
      which it will do using principally the files /etc/password
      and /etc/groups and then the additional sources.
      This will reflect the current situation of the system files and may not
      equal the current groups that are still in effect from the time of login.



      The groups username command may give a different result
      when it doesn't use all the sources that the login process used to calculate
      your supplementary groups, which is what apparently happened in your case.
      These sources may not be accessible from your login or may just not be consulted
      by the command.



      Using the id username command may give better results, although also not guaranteed
      to be as complete as that of the login process. The id command
      is more recent than, and was intended to be more precise than,
      the old groups command.



      While the groups command gives a precise and correct result,
      you have well demonstrated that the groups username command
      cannot be depended upon to do the same.



      Without examining the source-code of the groups command, I would guess
      that the implementation of the groups username command in your Linux
      distribution analyzes /etc/groups, which in your case contained nothing,
      but does not use /etc/nsswitch.conf, from which came all of your
      supplementary groups. Therefore is listed only the primary group name,
      jacob.



      For more information see:





      • credentials(7) - Linux man page

      • How to use nsswitch.conf to find Linux system information






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            It could be one of the following:




            • It could be a bug (although I doubt it)

            • You may need to logout and login again


            The groups are set in the /etc/group.






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            It could be one of the following:




            • It could be a bug (although I doubt it)

            • You may need to logout and login again


            The groups are set in the /etc/group.







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                Just as every process has a current real and effective user ID, and a real and effective group ID, it also has a list of supplementary groups. These are numbers (not names) all maintained by the kernel. They are set by the login process (or display manager) when you log it, just like your user ID. They are inherited by sub-processes, just like your user ID.



                When you run groups with no arguments, it ultimately invokes getgroups() to obtain the supplementary group list from the kernel. (On my Linux system, /usr/bin/groups is a shell script that runs "id -Gn", which in turn invokes getgroups().)



                When you run groups username, the command has to "guess" what the supplementary groups will be when that user logs in. It generally does this by reading /etc/group or talking to NIS or talking to nscd or... Well, there are a lot of ways it might work.



                What you are observing is similar to discovering that your current real user ID and your entry in /etc/passwd are inconsistent. This means there is something a little odd about your system's configuration, but it is hard to say what without more investigation.






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                  Just as every process has a current real and effective user ID, and a real and effective group ID, it also has a list of supplementary groups. These are numbers (not names) all maintained by the kernel. They are set by the login process (or display manager) when you log it, just like your user ID. They are inherited by sub-processes, just like your user ID.



                  When you run groups with no arguments, it ultimately invokes getgroups() to obtain the supplementary group list from the kernel. (On my Linux system, /usr/bin/groups is a shell script that runs "id -Gn", which in turn invokes getgroups().)



                  When you run groups username, the command has to "guess" what the supplementary groups will be when that user logs in. It generally does this by reading /etc/group or talking to NIS or talking to nscd or... Well, there are a lot of ways it might work.



                  What you are observing is similar to discovering that your current real user ID and your entry in /etc/passwd are inconsistent. This means there is something a little odd about your system's configuration, but it is hard to say what without more investigation.






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                    Just as every process has a current real and effective user ID, and a real and effective group ID, it also has a list of supplementary groups. These are numbers (not names) all maintained by the kernel. They are set by the login process (or display manager) when you log it, just like your user ID. They are inherited by sub-processes, just like your user ID.



                    When you run groups with no arguments, it ultimately invokes getgroups() to obtain the supplementary group list from the kernel. (On my Linux system, /usr/bin/groups is a shell script that runs "id -Gn", which in turn invokes getgroups().)



                    When you run groups username, the command has to "guess" what the supplementary groups will be when that user logs in. It generally does this by reading /etc/group or talking to NIS or talking to nscd or... Well, there are a lot of ways it might work.



                    What you are observing is similar to discovering that your current real user ID and your entry in /etc/passwd are inconsistent. This means there is something a little odd about your system's configuration, but it is hard to say what without more investigation.






                    share|improve this answer














                    Just as every process has a current real and effective user ID, and a real and effective group ID, it also has a list of supplementary groups. These are numbers (not names) all maintained by the kernel. They are set by the login process (or display manager) when you log it, just like your user ID. They are inherited by sub-processes, just like your user ID.



                    When you run groups with no arguments, it ultimately invokes getgroups() to obtain the supplementary group list from the kernel. (On my Linux system, /usr/bin/groups is a shell script that runs "id -Gn", which in turn invokes getgroups().)



                    When you run groups username, the command has to "guess" what the supplementary groups will be when that user logs in. It generally does this by reading /etc/group or talking to NIS or talking to nscd or... Well, there are a lot of ways it might work.



                    What you are observing is similar to discovering that your current real user ID and your entry in /etc/passwd are inconsistent. This means there is something a little odd about your system's configuration, but it is hard to say what without more investigation.







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                        1





                        +50









                        (Remark: The groups command, although still useful, is mostly superseded by
                        the id command.)



                        A user has a primary group that is traditionally defined in the file
                        /etc/passwd file with which he logs in, but that today may have other sources.
                        He may also be a member of additional groups, known as secondary or
                        supplementary groups,
                        traditionally specified in the file /etc/groups,
                        but which today can also come from or be implied by
                        additional sources (such as NIS, LDAP, SAMBA etc).



                        Primary and supplementary groups are defined at the time of login and remain current.
                        However, the user can at any time change his current active primary group
                        by using the newgrp command.



                        The login process sets the primary and supplementary groups.
                        For the later, it typically calls the libc function
                        initgroups,
                        which compiles the list of supplementary group data and passes it to the
                        setgroups function,
                        which establishes it in the context of the process.



                        The sources of information for initgroups are:





                        • /etc/passwd for the primary login


                        • /etc/groups
                          for supplementary groups


                        • /etc/nsswitch.conf
                          for sources to supplementary groups, which is described as:



                        used by the GNU C Library and certain other applications to
                        determine the sources from which to obtain name-service information
                        in a range of categories, and in what order. Each category of
                        information is identified by a database name.




                        The groups command shows the groups as currently applied to your user,
                        and the list will start with the current primary group followed by the
                        supplementary groups from the time of login.
                        Any changes to the sources of the data from after the time of login
                        are not reflected in the displayed list.



                        The groups username command is asking Linux to calculate the groups for that user,
                        which it will do using principally the files /etc/password
                        and /etc/groups and then the additional sources.
                        This will reflect the current situation of the system files and may not
                        equal the current groups that are still in effect from the time of login.



                        The groups username command may give a different result
                        when it doesn't use all the sources that the login process used to calculate
                        your supplementary groups, which is what apparently happened in your case.
                        These sources may not be accessible from your login or may just not be consulted
                        by the command.



                        Using the id username command may give better results, although also not guaranteed
                        to be as complete as that of the login process. The id command
                        is more recent than, and was intended to be more precise than,
                        the old groups command.



                        While the groups command gives a precise and correct result,
                        you have well demonstrated that the groups username command
                        cannot be depended upon to do the same.



                        Without examining the source-code of the groups command, I would guess
                        that the implementation of the groups username command in your Linux
                        distribution analyzes /etc/groups, which in your case contained nothing,
                        but does not use /etc/nsswitch.conf, from which came all of your
                        supplementary groups. Therefore is listed only the primary group name,
                        jacob.



                        For more information see:





                        • credentials(7) - Linux man page

                        • How to use nsswitch.conf to find Linux system information






                        share|improve this answer




























                          1





                          +50









                          (Remark: The groups command, although still useful, is mostly superseded by
                          the id command.)



                          A user has a primary group that is traditionally defined in the file
                          /etc/passwd file with which he logs in, but that today may have other sources.
                          He may also be a member of additional groups, known as secondary or
                          supplementary groups,
                          traditionally specified in the file /etc/groups,
                          but which today can also come from or be implied by
                          additional sources (such as NIS, LDAP, SAMBA etc).



                          Primary and supplementary groups are defined at the time of login and remain current.
                          However, the user can at any time change his current active primary group
                          by using the newgrp command.



                          The login process sets the primary and supplementary groups.
                          For the later, it typically calls the libc function
                          initgroups,
                          which compiles the list of supplementary group data and passes it to the
                          setgroups function,
                          which establishes it in the context of the process.



                          The sources of information for initgroups are:





                          • /etc/passwd for the primary login


                          • /etc/groups
                            for supplementary groups


                          • /etc/nsswitch.conf
                            for sources to supplementary groups, which is described as:



                          used by the GNU C Library and certain other applications to
                          determine the sources from which to obtain name-service information
                          in a range of categories, and in what order. Each category of
                          information is identified by a database name.




                          The groups command shows the groups as currently applied to your user,
                          and the list will start with the current primary group followed by the
                          supplementary groups from the time of login.
                          Any changes to the sources of the data from after the time of login
                          are not reflected in the displayed list.



                          The groups username command is asking Linux to calculate the groups for that user,
                          which it will do using principally the files /etc/password
                          and /etc/groups and then the additional sources.
                          This will reflect the current situation of the system files and may not
                          equal the current groups that are still in effect from the time of login.



                          The groups username command may give a different result
                          when it doesn't use all the sources that the login process used to calculate
                          your supplementary groups, which is what apparently happened in your case.
                          These sources may not be accessible from your login or may just not be consulted
                          by the command.



                          Using the id username command may give better results, although also not guaranteed
                          to be as complete as that of the login process. The id command
                          is more recent than, and was intended to be more precise than,
                          the old groups command.



                          While the groups command gives a precise and correct result,
                          you have well demonstrated that the groups username command
                          cannot be depended upon to do the same.



                          Without examining the source-code of the groups command, I would guess
                          that the implementation of the groups username command in your Linux
                          distribution analyzes /etc/groups, which in your case contained nothing,
                          but does not use /etc/nsswitch.conf, from which came all of your
                          supplementary groups. Therefore is listed only the primary group name,
                          jacob.



                          For more information see:





                          • credentials(7) - Linux man page

                          • How to use nsswitch.conf to find Linux system information






                          share|improve this answer


























                            1





                            +50







                            1





                            +50



                            1




                            +50




                            (Remark: The groups command, although still useful, is mostly superseded by
                            the id command.)



                            A user has a primary group that is traditionally defined in the file
                            /etc/passwd file with which he logs in, but that today may have other sources.
                            He may also be a member of additional groups, known as secondary or
                            supplementary groups,
                            traditionally specified in the file /etc/groups,
                            but which today can also come from or be implied by
                            additional sources (such as NIS, LDAP, SAMBA etc).



                            Primary and supplementary groups are defined at the time of login and remain current.
                            However, the user can at any time change his current active primary group
                            by using the newgrp command.



                            The login process sets the primary and supplementary groups.
                            For the later, it typically calls the libc function
                            initgroups,
                            which compiles the list of supplementary group data and passes it to the
                            setgroups function,
                            which establishes it in the context of the process.



                            The sources of information for initgroups are:





                            • /etc/passwd for the primary login


                            • /etc/groups
                              for supplementary groups


                            • /etc/nsswitch.conf
                              for sources to supplementary groups, which is described as:



                            used by the GNU C Library and certain other applications to
                            determine the sources from which to obtain name-service information
                            in a range of categories, and in what order. Each category of
                            information is identified by a database name.




                            The groups command shows the groups as currently applied to your user,
                            and the list will start with the current primary group followed by the
                            supplementary groups from the time of login.
                            Any changes to the sources of the data from after the time of login
                            are not reflected in the displayed list.



                            The groups username command is asking Linux to calculate the groups for that user,
                            which it will do using principally the files /etc/password
                            and /etc/groups and then the additional sources.
                            This will reflect the current situation of the system files and may not
                            equal the current groups that are still in effect from the time of login.



                            The groups username command may give a different result
                            when it doesn't use all the sources that the login process used to calculate
                            your supplementary groups, which is what apparently happened in your case.
                            These sources may not be accessible from your login or may just not be consulted
                            by the command.



                            Using the id username command may give better results, although also not guaranteed
                            to be as complete as that of the login process. The id command
                            is more recent than, and was intended to be more precise than,
                            the old groups command.



                            While the groups command gives a precise and correct result,
                            you have well demonstrated that the groups username command
                            cannot be depended upon to do the same.



                            Without examining the source-code of the groups command, I would guess
                            that the implementation of the groups username command in your Linux
                            distribution analyzes /etc/groups, which in your case contained nothing,
                            but does not use /etc/nsswitch.conf, from which came all of your
                            supplementary groups. Therefore is listed only the primary group name,
                            jacob.



                            For more information see:





                            • credentials(7) - Linux man page

                            • How to use nsswitch.conf to find Linux system information






                            share|improve this answer














                            (Remark: The groups command, although still useful, is mostly superseded by
                            the id command.)



                            A user has a primary group that is traditionally defined in the file
                            /etc/passwd file with which he logs in, but that today may have other sources.
                            He may also be a member of additional groups, known as secondary or
                            supplementary groups,
                            traditionally specified in the file /etc/groups,
                            but which today can also come from or be implied by
                            additional sources (such as NIS, LDAP, SAMBA etc).



                            Primary and supplementary groups are defined at the time of login and remain current.
                            However, the user can at any time change his current active primary group
                            by using the newgrp command.



                            The login process sets the primary and supplementary groups.
                            For the later, it typically calls the libc function
                            initgroups,
                            which compiles the list of supplementary group data and passes it to the
                            setgroups function,
                            which establishes it in the context of the process.



                            The sources of information for initgroups are:





                            • /etc/passwd for the primary login


                            • /etc/groups
                              for supplementary groups


                            • /etc/nsswitch.conf
                              for sources to supplementary groups, which is described as:



                            used by the GNU C Library and certain other applications to
                            determine the sources from which to obtain name-service information
                            in a range of categories, and in what order. Each category of
                            information is identified by a database name.




                            The groups command shows the groups as currently applied to your user,
                            and the list will start with the current primary group followed by the
                            supplementary groups from the time of login.
                            Any changes to the sources of the data from after the time of login
                            are not reflected in the displayed list.



                            The groups username command is asking Linux to calculate the groups for that user,
                            which it will do using principally the files /etc/password
                            and /etc/groups and then the additional sources.
                            This will reflect the current situation of the system files and may not
                            equal the current groups that are still in effect from the time of login.



                            The groups username command may give a different result
                            when it doesn't use all the sources that the login process used to calculate
                            your supplementary groups, which is what apparently happened in your case.
                            These sources may not be accessible from your login or may just not be consulted
                            by the command.



                            Using the id username command may give better results, although also not guaranteed
                            to be as complete as that of the login process. The id command
                            is more recent than, and was intended to be more precise than,
                            the old groups command.



                            While the groups command gives a precise and correct result,
                            you have well demonstrated that the groups username command
                            cannot be depended upon to do the same.



                            Without examining the source-code of the groups command, I would guess
                            that the implementation of the groups username command in your Linux
                            distribution analyzes /etc/groups, which in your case contained nothing,
                            but does not use /etc/nsswitch.conf, from which came all of your
                            supplementary groups. Therefore is listed only the primary group name,
                            jacob.



                            For more information see:





                            • credentials(7) - Linux man page

                            • How to use nsswitch.conf to find Linux system information







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