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I sometimes find myself writing something like this:




XXX is a project I admire and am very interested in.




The "I <verb> and am <something>" feels strange here. It somehow sounds more natural in the third person: "He admires and is very interested in...."



Am I just imagining things – is it OK to use this construction, or should I use something completely different?










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    I sometimes find myself writing something like this:




    XXX is a project I admire and am very interested in.




    The "I <verb> and am <something>" feels strange here. It somehow sounds more natural in the third person: "He admires and is very interested in...."



    Am I just imagining things – is it OK to use this construction, or should I use something completely different?










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      I sometimes find myself writing something like this:




      XXX is a project I admire and am very interested in.




      The "I <verb> and am <something>" feels strange here. It somehow sounds more natural in the third person: "He admires and is very interested in...."



      Am I just imagining things – is it OK to use this construction, or should I use something completely different?










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      I sometimes find myself writing something like this:




      XXX is a project I admire and am very interested in.




      The "I <verb> and am <something>" feels strange here. It somehow sounds more natural in the third person: "He admires and is very interested in...."



      Am I just imagining things – is it OK to use this construction, or should I use something completely different?







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          This sentence is an example of Conjunction Reduction, the syntactic rule that deletes repeated material in conjoined constituents, for example





          • Bill washed the dishes and Bill swept the floor.Bill washed the dishes and swept the floor.


          • Bill washed the dishes and Bill dried the dishes.Bill washed and dried the dishes.


          The relative clause modifying project in the original sentence is the focus, so let's get it out of a subordinate clause and see what it looks like:




          • I admire and am very interested in the project.


          which comes from




          • I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.


          by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction.



          There's nothing grammatically wrong with this sentence.



          One thing that may make it feel wrong to some -- but not others; there's a lot of individual variation here, since everybody makes up their own internal rules, for their own reasons, about what "sounds right" -- is that the first verb of the conjoined VP (admire) is uninflected for person and number, while the second verb (am) is inflected, for first person singular present tense.



          Both verbs agree of course with the same subject, but morphologically instead of syntactically, which may produce some distress to those who require more grammatical parallelism between conjoined verbs.



          Another related difficulty might be that the inflected form am is so closely linked to its subject pronoun I that it is difficult to separate them, and indeed most of the time they're contracted to I'm. This makes am feel rather isolated out there.



          Again, this isn't a grammatical problem per se, but it can occasion some distress in some readers.



          I say "readers" because nobody would say such a sentence, of course. We'd say I'm instead of am, by repeating the subject -- and adding no new syllables, so timing isn't affected. This is allowed syntactically because Conjunction Reduction is an optional rule applied to reduce unwelcome repetition, and in any given case this repetition may simply not be unwelcome.






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            Great answer, thanks. Indeed, my lack of comfort with this sentence is the "isolation" of "am".

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            Dec 16 '11 at 22:59






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            Isn't the issue rather that admire has a direct object, whereas am very interested in has a prepositional object? A zeugma or "conjunction reduction" can work with that in simple sentences, but the combination of (1.) different kinds of objects and (2.) some distance between the first verb and its object can be off-putting.

            – Cerberus
            Mar 10 '12 at 3:15








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            @Cerberus: I don't think that's a problem; English has lots of phrasal verbs, and mixing them in parallel constructions is generally permissible. e.g. "(cease) and (desist from) doing somthing".

            – Mechanical snail
            May 30 '12 at 9:27











          • @Mechanicalsnail: Yes, generally; but there is little distance between cease and desist from. And cease and desist is a very familiar fixed pair. I think mixing different kinds of objects can become a bit of an issue in a construction like this when there is some distance between the two: this man I fear but defer to v. this man I fear but would gladly serve v. this man I fear but would gladly defer to. Somehow the last sentence is a bit less easy on the tongue than the first two.

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          • Greg Lee insists that " 'I admire and am very interested in the project.' which comes from 'I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.' by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction." is incorrect. Is this the usual different-terminology issue?

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          Not only do I agree that it is grammatically correct, but I don't think it sounds strange or unusual either.



          However, the beauty of the English language is that there are usually a dozen different ways of communicating the same things, so if you aren't comfortable with it, by all means use something else.






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            Grammatically there is nothing wrong with it. And coordinates two of the same type of phrase; am and admire are verbs, so you're just coordinating two verb phrases:




            XXX is a project I [[admire] and [am very interested in]].




            If the final preposition is making it feel awkward, you could try XXX is a project I admire and in which I'm very interested.






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            • I think probably OP feels the construction is a little awkward because two different elements are being elided - "that" (or "which", the project), as well as "I". Personally I agree it might be a step too far in writing, but it's fine in informal speech.

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            • I agree that the trailing preposition is the only troublesome part of the example.

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            • I like most of this answer, but I think the trailing preposition is fine. The proposed alternative is, in contrast, fairly awkward.

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            • @FumbleFingers Funny, I would say the exact opposite: it’s fine in writing, but I would never dream of saying it in informal speech, and anyone who did would risk coming off a bit poncy-posh. Colloquially, I would always repeat the subordinator and the pronoun: “XXX is a project I admire and that I’m very interested in”. On the other hand (to alcas and Ben’s point), I would never move up the preposition unless deliberately going for a very formal feel. I agree with snailboat that “… and in which I’m very interested” is awfully clunky and unnatural to me.

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            I don't think it's technically wrong, but I share your view that it sounds a bit strange.



            How about:




            Etherpad is a project that has been attracting my interest and
            admiration for a long time.




            instead?






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              It is grammatically correct but it sounds like an "effect" to me, or like a zeugma. These rhetorical effects are better used in a proper context, maybe poetry, maybe humorous, or to attract the attention of the reader on the presence of your sentence. Here it is not the case: you want to attract the attention of the reader to the subject ("XXX"), not to your writing.






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                If you tweak the structure of your sentence, you can change its rhythm.


                Try adding a pronoun to the original to form a compound sentence ...


                like this ...




                XXX is a project I admire, and I am very interested in it.




                or this ...




                I admire XXX, and I am very interested in it.




                or this ...




                XXX is a project I admire, and it holds my interest.







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                  This sentence is an example of Conjunction Reduction, the syntactic rule that deletes repeated material in conjoined constituents, for example





                  • Bill washed the dishes and Bill swept the floor.Bill washed the dishes and swept the floor.


                  • Bill washed the dishes and Bill dried the dishes.Bill washed and dried the dishes.


                  The relative clause modifying project in the original sentence is the focus, so let's get it out of a subordinate clause and see what it looks like:




                  • I admire and am very interested in the project.


                  which comes from




                  • I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.


                  by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction.



                  There's nothing grammatically wrong with this sentence.



                  One thing that may make it feel wrong to some -- but not others; there's a lot of individual variation here, since everybody makes up their own internal rules, for their own reasons, about what "sounds right" -- is that the first verb of the conjoined VP (admire) is uninflected for person and number, while the second verb (am) is inflected, for first person singular present tense.



                  Both verbs agree of course with the same subject, but morphologically instead of syntactically, which may produce some distress to those who require more grammatical parallelism between conjoined verbs.



                  Another related difficulty might be that the inflected form am is so closely linked to its subject pronoun I that it is difficult to separate them, and indeed most of the time they're contracted to I'm. This makes am feel rather isolated out there.



                  Again, this isn't a grammatical problem per se, but it can occasion some distress in some readers.



                  I say "readers" because nobody would say such a sentence, of course. We'd say I'm instead of am, by repeating the subject -- and adding no new syllables, so timing isn't affected. This is allowed syntactically because Conjunction Reduction is an optional rule applied to reduce unwelcome repetition, and in any given case this repetition may simply not be unwelcome.






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                    Great answer, thanks. Indeed, my lack of comfort with this sentence is the "isolation" of "am".

                    – Eli Bendersky
                    Dec 16 '11 at 22:59






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                    Isn't the issue rather that admire has a direct object, whereas am very interested in has a prepositional object? A zeugma or "conjunction reduction" can work with that in simple sentences, but the combination of (1.) different kinds of objects and (2.) some distance between the first verb and its object can be off-putting.

                    – Cerberus
                    Mar 10 '12 at 3:15








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                    @Cerberus: I don't think that's a problem; English has lots of phrasal verbs, and mixing them in parallel constructions is generally permissible. e.g. "(cease) and (desist from) doing somthing".

                    – Mechanical snail
                    May 30 '12 at 9:27











                  • @Mechanicalsnail: Yes, generally; but there is little distance between cease and desist from. And cease and desist is a very familiar fixed pair. I think mixing different kinds of objects can become a bit of an issue in a construction like this when there is some distance between the two: this man I fear but defer to v. this man I fear but would gladly serve v. this man I fear but would gladly defer to. Somehow the last sentence is a bit less easy on the tongue than the first two.

                    – Cerberus
                    May 30 '12 at 11:57











                  • Greg Lee insists that " 'I admire and am very interested in the project.' which comes from 'I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.' by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction." is incorrect. Is this the usual different-terminology issue?

                    – Edwin Ashworth
                    Feb 24 '16 at 19:30


















                  71














                  This sentence is an example of Conjunction Reduction, the syntactic rule that deletes repeated material in conjoined constituents, for example





                  • Bill washed the dishes and Bill swept the floor.Bill washed the dishes and swept the floor.


                  • Bill washed the dishes and Bill dried the dishes.Bill washed and dried the dishes.


                  The relative clause modifying project in the original sentence is the focus, so let's get it out of a subordinate clause and see what it looks like:




                  • I admire and am very interested in the project.


                  which comes from




                  • I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.


                  by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction.



                  There's nothing grammatically wrong with this sentence.



                  One thing that may make it feel wrong to some -- but not others; there's a lot of individual variation here, since everybody makes up their own internal rules, for their own reasons, about what "sounds right" -- is that the first verb of the conjoined VP (admire) is uninflected for person and number, while the second verb (am) is inflected, for first person singular present tense.



                  Both verbs agree of course with the same subject, but morphologically instead of syntactically, which may produce some distress to those who require more grammatical parallelism between conjoined verbs.



                  Another related difficulty might be that the inflected form am is so closely linked to its subject pronoun I that it is difficult to separate them, and indeed most of the time they're contracted to I'm. This makes am feel rather isolated out there.



                  Again, this isn't a grammatical problem per se, but it can occasion some distress in some readers.



                  I say "readers" because nobody would say such a sentence, of course. We'd say I'm instead of am, by repeating the subject -- and adding no new syllables, so timing isn't affected. This is allowed syntactically because Conjunction Reduction is an optional rule applied to reduce unwelcome repetition, and in any given case this repetition may simply not be unwelcome.






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                    Great answer, thanks. Indeed, my lack of comfort with this sentence is the "isolation" of "am".

                    – Eli Bendersky
                    Dec 16 '11 at 22:59






                  • 1





                    Isn't the issue rather that admire has a direct object, whereas am very interested in has a prepositional object? A zeugma or "conjunction reduction" can work with that in simple sentences, but the combination of (1.) different kinds of objects and (2.) some distance between the first verb and its object can be off-putting.

                    – Cerberus
                    Mar 10 '12 at 3:15








                  • 1





                    @Cerberus: I don't think that's a problem; English has lots of phrasal verbs, and mixing them in parallel constructions is generally permissible. e.g. "(cease) and (desist from) doing somthing".

                    – Mechanical snail
                    May 30 '12 at 9:27











                  • @Mechanicalsnail: Yes, generally; but there is little distance between cease and desist from. And cease and desist is a very familiar fixed pair. I think mixing different kinds of objects can become a bit of an issue in a construction like this when there is some distance between the two: this man I fear but defer to v. this man I fear but would gladly serve v. this man I fear but would gladly defer to. Somehow the last sentence is a bit less easy on the tongue than the first two.

                    – Cerberus
                    May 30 '12 at 11:57











                  • Greg Lee insists that " 'I admire and am very interested in the project.' which comes from 'I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.' by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction." is incorrect. Is this the usual different-terminology issue?

                    – Edwin Ashworth
                    Feb 24 '16 at 19:30
















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                  This sentence is an example of Conjunction Reduction, the syntactic rule that deletes repeated material in conjoined constituents, for example





                  • Bill washed the dishes and Bill swept the floor.Bill washed the dishes and swept the floor.


                  • Bill washed the dishes and Bill dried the dishes.Bill washed and dried the dishes.


                  The relative clause modifying project in the original sentence is the focus, so let's get it out of a subordinate clause and see what it looks like:




                  • I admire and am very interested in the project.


                  which comes from




                  • I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.


                  by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction.



                  There's nothing grammatically wrong with this sentence.



                  One thing that may make it feel wrong to some -- but not others; there's a lot of individual variation here, since everybody makes up their own internal rules, for their own reasons, about what "sounds right" -- is that the first verb of the conjoined VP (admire) is uninflected for person and number, while the second verb (am) is inflected, for first person singular present tense.



                  Both verbs agree of course with the same subject, but morphologically instead of syntactically, which may produce some distress to those who require more grammatical parallelism between conjoined verbs.



                  Another related difficulty might be that the inflected form am is so closely linked to its subject pronoun I that it is difficult to separate them, and indeed most of the time they're contracted to I'm. This makes am feel rather isolated out there.



                  Again, this isn't a grammatical problem per se, but it can occasion some distress in some readers.



                  I say "readers" because nobody would say such a sentence, of course. We'd say I'm instead of am, by repeating the subject -- and adding no new syllables, so timing isn't affected. This is allowed syntactically because Conjunction Reduction is an optional rule applied to reduce unwelcome repetition, and in any given case this repetition may simply not be unwelcome.






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                  This sentence is an example of Conjunction Reduction, the syntactic rule that deletes repeated material in conjoined constituents, for example





                  • Bill washed the dishes and Bill swept the floor.Bill washed the dishes and swept the floor.


                  • Bill washed the dishes and Bill dried the dishes.Bill washed and dried the dishes.


                  The relative clause modifying project in the original sentence is the focus, so let's get it out of a subordinate clause and see what it looks like:




                  • I admire and am very interested in the project.


                  which comes from




                  • I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.


                  by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction.



                  There's nothing grammatically wrong with this sentence.



                  One thing that may make it feel wrong to some -- but not others; there's a lot of individual variation here, since everybody makes up their own internal rules, for their own reasons, about what "sounds right" -- is that the first verb of the conjoined VP (admire) is uninflected for person and number, while the second verb (am) is inflected, for first person singular present tense.



                  Both verbs agree of course with the same subject, but morphologically instead of syntactically, which may produce some distress to those who require more grammatical parallelism between conjoined verbs.



                  Another related difficulty might be that the inflected form am is so closely linked to its subject pronoun I that it is difficult to separate them, and indeed most of the time they're contracted to I'm. This makes am feel rather isolated out there.



                  Again, this isn't a grammatical problem per se, but it can occasion some distress in some readers.



                  I say "readers" because nobody would say such a sentence, of course. We'd say I'm instead of am, by repeating the subject -- and adding no new syllables, so timing isn't affected. This is allowed syntactically because Conjunction Reduction is an optional rule applied to reduce unwelcome repetition, and in any given case this repetition may simply not be unwelcome.







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                    Great answer, thanks. Indeed, my lack of comfort with this sentence is the "isolation" of "am".

                    – Eli Bendersky
                    Dec 16 '11 at 22:59






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                    Isn't the issue rather that admire has a direct object, whereas am very interested in has a prepositional object? A zeugma or "conjunction reduction" can work with that in simple sentences, but the combination of (1.) different kinds of objects and (2.) some distance between the first verb and its object can be off-putting.

                    – Cerberus
                    Mar 10 '12 at 3:15








                  • 1





                    @Cerberus: I don't think that's a problem; English has lots of phrasal verbs, and mixing them in parallel constructions is generally permissible. e.g. "(cease) and (desist from) doing somthing".

                    – Mechanical snail
                    May 30 '12 at 9:27











                  • @Mechanicalsnail: Yes, generally; but there is little distance between cease and desist from. And cease and desist is a very familiar fixed pair. I think mixing different kinds of objects can become a bit of an issue in a construction like this when there is some distance between the two: this man I fear but defer to v. this man I fear but would gladly serve v. this man I fear but would gladly defer to. Somehow the last sentence is a bit less easy on the tongue than the first two.

                    – Cerberus
                    May 30 '12 at 11:57











                  • Greg Lee insists that " 'I admire and am very interested in the project.' which comes from 'I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.' by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction." is incorrect. Is this the usual different-terminology issue?

                    – Edwin Ashworth
                    Feb 24 '16 at 19:30
















                  • 1





                    Great answer, thanks. Indeed, my lack of comfort with this sentence is the "isolation" of "am".

                    – Eli Bendersky
                    Dec 16 '11 at 22:59






                  • 1





                    Isn't the issue rather that admire has a direct object, whereas am very interested in has a prepositional object? A zeugma or "conjunction reduction" can work with that in simple sentences, but the combination of (1.) different kinds of objects and (2.) some distance between the first verb and its object can be off-putting.

                    – Cerberus
                    Mar 10 '12 at 3:15








                  • 1





                    @Cerberus: I don't think that's a problem; English has lots of phrasal verbs, and mixing them in parallel constructions is generally permissible. e.g. "(cease) and (desist from) doing somthing".

                    – Mechanical snail
                    May 30 '12 at 9:27











                  • @Mechanicalsnail: Yes, generally; but there is little distance between cease and desist from. And cease and desist is a very familiar fixed pair. I think mixing different kinds of objects can become a bit of an issue in a construction like this when there is some distance between the two: this man I fear but defer to v. this man I fear but would gladly serve v. this man I fear but would gladly defer to. Somehow the last sentence is a bit less easy on the tongue than the first two.

                    – Cerberus
                    May 30 '12 at 11:57











                  • Greg Lee insists that " 'I admire and am very interested in the project.' which comes from 'I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.' by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction." is incorrect. Is this the usual different-terminology issue?

                    – Edwin Ashworth
                    Feb 24 '16 at 19:30










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                  Great answer, thanks. Indeed, my lack of comfort with this sentence is the "isolation" of "am".

                  – Eli Bendersky
                  Dec 16 '11 at 22:59





                  Great answer, thanks. Indeed, my lack of comfort with this sentence is the "isolation" of "am".

                  – Eli Bendersky
                  Dec 16 '11 at 22:59




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                  Isn't the issue rather that admire has a direct object, whereas am very interested in has a prepositional object? A zeugma or "conjunction reduction" can work with that in simple sentences, but the combination of (1.) different kinds of objects and (2.) some distance between the first verb and its object can be off-putting.

                  – Cerberus
                  Mar 10 '12 at 3:15







                  Isn't the issue rather that admire has a direct object, whereas am very interested in has a prepositional object? A zeugma or "conjunction reduction" can work with that in simple sentences, but the combination of (1.) different kinds of objects and (2.) some distance between the first verb and its object can be off-putting.

                  – Cerberus
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                  @Cerberus: I don't think that's a problem; English has lots of phrasal verbs, and mixing them in parallel constructions is generally permissible. e.g. "(cease) and (desist from) doing somthing".

                  – Mechanical snail
                  May 30 '12 at 9:27





                  @Cerberus: I don't think that's a problem; English has lots of phrasal verbs, and mixing them in parallel constructions is generally permissible. e.g. "(cease) and (desist from) doing somthing".

                  – Mechanical snail
                  May 30 '12 at 9:27













                  @Mechanicalsnail: Yes, generally; but there is little distance between cease and desist from. And cease and desist is a very familiar fixed pair. I think mixing different kinds of objects can become a bit of an issue in a construction like this when there is some distance between the two: this man I fear but defer to v. this man I fear but would gladly serve v. this man I fear but would gladly defer to. Somehow the last sentence is a bit less easy on the tongue than the first two.

                  – Cerberus
                  May 30 '12 at 11:57





                  @Mechanicalsnail: Yes, generally; but there is little distance between cease and desist from. And cease and desist is a very familiar fixed pair. I think mixing different kinds of objects can become a bit of an issue in a construction like this when there is some distance between the two: this man I fear but defer to v. this man I fear but would gladly serve v. this man I fear but would gladly defer to. Somehow the last sentence is a bit less easy on the tongue than the first two.

                  – Cerberus
                  May 30 '12 at 11:57













                  Greg Lee insists that " 'I admire and am very interested in the project.' which comes from 'I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.' by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction." is incorrect. Is this the usual different-terminology issue?

                  – Edwin Ashworth
                  Feb 24 '16 at 19:30







                  Greg Lee insists that " 'I admire and am very interested in the project.' which comes from 'I admire the project and I am very interested in the project.' by a perfectly normal application of Conjunction Reduction." is incorrect. Is this the usual different-terminology issue?

                  – Edwin Ashworth
                  Feb 24 '16 at 19:30















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                  Not only do I agree that it is grammatically correct, but I don't think it sounds strange or unusual either.



                  However, the beauty of the English language is that there are usually a dozen different ways of communicating the same things, so if you aren't comfortable with it, by all means use something else.






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                    Not only do I agree that it is grammatically correct, but I don't think it sounds strange or unusual either.



                    However, the beauty of the English language is that there are usually a dozen different ways of communicating the same things, so if you aren't comfortable with it, by all means use something else.






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                      Not only do I agree that it is grammatically correct, but I don't think it sounds strange or unusual either.



                      However, the beauty of the English language is that there are usually a dozen different ways of communicating the same things, so if you aren't comfortable with it, by all means use something else.






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                      Not only do I agree that it is grammatically correct, but I don't think it sounds strange or unusual either.



                      However, the beauty of the English language is that there are usually a dozen different ways of communicating the same things, so if you aren't comfortable with it, by all means use something else.







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                          Grammatically there is nothing wrong with it. And coordinates two of the same type of phrase; am and admire are verbs, so you're just coordinating two verb phrases:




                          XXX is a project I [[admire] and [am very interested in]].




                          If the final preposition is making it feel awkward, you could try XXX is a project I admire and in which I'm very interested.






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                          • I think probably OP feels the construction is a little awkward because two different elements are being elided - "that" (or "which", the project), as well as "I". Personally I agree it might be a step too far in writing, but it's fine in informal speech.

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                          • I agree that the trailing preposition is the only troublesome part of the example.

                            – Ben Voigt
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                          • I like most of this answer, but I think the trailing preposition is fine. The proposed alternative is, in contrast, fairly awkward.

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                          • @FumbleFingers Funny, I would say the exact opposite: it’s fine in writing, but I would never dream of saying it in informal speech, and anyone who did would risk coming off a bit poncy-posh. Colloquially, I would always repeat the subordinator and the pronoun: “XXX is a project I admire and that I’m very interested in”. On the other hand (to alcas and Ben’s point), I would never move up the preposition unless deliberately going for a very formal feel. I agree with snailboat that “… and in which I’m very interested” is awfully clunky and unnatural to me.

                            – Janus Bahs Jacquet
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                          Grammatically there is nothing wrong with it. And coordinates two of the same type of phrase; am and admire are verbs, so you're just coordinating two verb phrases:




                          XXX is a project I [[admire] and [am very interested in]].




                          If the final preposition is making it feel awkward, you could try XXX is a project I admire and in which I'm very interested.






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                          • I think probably OP feels the construction is a little awkward because two different elements are being elided - "that" (or "which", the project), as well as "I". Personally I agree it might be a step too far in writing, but it's fine in informal speech.

                            – FumbleFingers
                            Dec 16 '11 at 14:24











                          • I agree that the trailing preposition is the only troublesome part of the example.

                            – Ben Voigt
                            Dec 19 '11 at 3:18











                          • I like most of this answer, but I think the trailing preposition is fine. The proposed alternative is, in contrast, fairly awkward.

                            – snailboat
                            Nov 23 '13 at 4:19













                          • @FumbleFingers Funny, I would say the exact opposite: it’s fine in writing, but I would never dream of saying it in informal speech, and anyone who did would risk coming off a bit poncy-posh. Colloquially, I would always repeat the subordinator and the pronoun: “XXX is a project I admire and that I’m very interested in”. On the other hand (to alcas and Ben’s point), I would never move up the preposition unless deliberately going for a very formal feel. I agree with snailboat that “… and in which I’m very interested” is awfully clunky and unnatural to me.

                            – Janus Bahs Jacquet
                            Jan 18 '15 at 11:34














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                          Grammatically there is nothing wrong with it. And coordinates two of the same type of phrase; am and admire are verbs, so you're just coordinating two verb phrases:




                          XXX is a project I [[admire] and [am very interested in]].




                          If the final preposition is making it feel awkward, you could try XXX is a project I admire and in which I'm very interested.






                          share|improve this answer













                          Grammatically there is nothing wrong with it. And coordinates two of the same type of phrase; am and admire are verbs, so you're just coordinating two verb phrases:




                          XXX is a project I [[admire] and [am very interested in]].




                          If the final preposition is making it feel awkward, you could try XXX is a project I admire and in which I'm very interested.







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                          answered Dec 16 '11 at 14:00









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                          • I think probably OP feels the construction is a little awkward because two different elements are being elided - "that" (or "which", the project), as well as "I". Personally I agree it might be a step too far in writing, but it's fine in informal speech.

                            – FumbleFingers
                            Dec 16 '11 at 14:24











                          • I agree that the trailing preposition is the only troublesome part of the example.

                            – Ben Voigt
                            Dec 19 '11 at 3:18











                          • I like most of this answer, but I think the trailing preposition is fine. The proposed alternative is, in contrast, fairly awkward.

                            – snailboat
                            Nov 23 '13 at 4:19













                          • @FumbleFingers Funny, I would say the exact opposite: it’s fine in writing, but I would never dream of saying it in informal speech, and anyone who did would risk coming off a bit poncy-posh. Colloquially, I would always repeat the subordinator and the pronoun: “XXX is a project I admire and that I’m very interested in”. On the other hand (to alcas and Ben’s point), I would never move up the preposition unless deliberately going for a very formal feel. I agree with snailboat that “… and in which I’m very interested” is awfully clunky and unnatural to me.

                            – Janus Bahs Jacquet
                            Jan 18 '15 at 11:34



















                          • I think probably OP feels the construction is a little awkward because two different elements are being elided - "that" (or "which", the project), as well as "I". Personally I agree it might be a step too far in writing, but it's fine in informal speech.

                            – FumbleFingers
                            Dec 16 '11 at 14:24











                          • I agree that the trailing preposition is the only troublesome part of the example.

                            – Ben Voigt
                            Dec 19 '11 at 3:18











                          • I like most of this answer, but I think the trailing preposition is fine. The proposed alternative is, in contrast, fairly awkward.

                            – snailboat
                            Nov 23 '13 at 4:19













                          • @FumbleFingers Funny, I would say the exact opposite: it’s fine in writing, but I would never dream of saying it in informal speech, and anyone who did would risk coming off a bit poncy-posh. Colloquially, I would always repeat the subordinator and the pronoun: “XXX is a project I admire and that I’m very interested in”. On the other hand (to alcas and Ben’s point), I would never move up the preposition unless deliberately going for a very formal feel. I agree with snailboat that “… and in which I’m very interested” is awfully clunky and unnatural to me.

                            – Janus Bahs Jacquet
                            Jan 18 '15 at 11:34

















                          I think probably OP feels the construction is a little awkward because two different elements are being elided - "that" (or "which", the project), as well as "I". Personally I agree it might be a step too far in writing, but it's fine in informal speech.

                          – FumbleFingers
                          Dec 16 '11 at 14:24





                          I think probably OP feels the construction is a little awkward because two different elements are being elided - "that" (or "which", the project), as well as "I". Personally I agree it might be a step too far in writing, but it's fine in informal speech.

                          – FumbleFingers
                          Dec 16 '11 at 14:24













                          I agree that the trailing preposition is the only troublesome part of the example.

                          – Ben Voigt
                          Dec 19 '11 at 3:18





                          I agree that the trailing preposition is the only troublesome part of the example.

                          – Ben Voigt
                          Dec 19 '11 at 3:18













                          I like most of this answer, but I think the trailing preposition is fine. The proposed alternative is, in contrast, fairly awkward.

                          – snailboat
                          Nov 23 '13 at 4:19







                          I like most of this answer, but I think the trailing preposition is fine. The proposed alternative is, in contrast, fairly awkward.

                          – snailboat
                          Nov 23 '13 at 4:19















                          @FumbleFingers Funny, I would say the exact opposite: it’s fine in writing, but I would never dream of saying it in informal speech, and anyone who did would risk coming off a bit poncy-posh. Colloquially, I would always repeat the subordinator and the pronoun: “XXX is a project I admire and that I’m very interested in”. On the other hand (to alcas and Ben’s point), I would never move up the preposition unless deliberately going for a very formal feel. I agree with snailboat that “… and in which I’m very interested” is awfully clunky and unnatural to me.

                          – Janus Bahs Jacquet
                          Jan 18 '15 at 11:34





                          @FumbleFingers Funny, I would say the exact opposite: it’s fine in writing, but I would never dream of saying it in informal speech, and anyone who did would risk coming off a bit poncy-posh. Colloquially, I would always repeat the subordinator and the pronoun: “XXX is a project I admire and that I’m very interested in”. On the other hand (to alcas and Ben’s point), I would never move up the preposition unless deliberately going for a very formal feel. I agree with snailboat that “… and in which I’m very interested” is awfully clunky and unnatural to me.

                          – Janus Bahs Jacquet
                          Jan 18 '15 at 11:34











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                          I don't think it's technically wrong, but I share your view that it sounds a bit strange.



                          How about:




                          Etherpad is a project that has been attracting my interest and
                          admiration for a long time.




                          instead?






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                            I don't think it's technically wrong, but I share your view that it sounds a bit strange.



                            How about:




                            Etherpad is a project that has been attracting my interest and
                            admiration for a long time.




                            instead?






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                              I don't think it's technically wrong, but I share your view that it sounds a bit strange.



                              How about:




                              Etherpad is a project that has been attracting my interest and
                              admiration for a long time.




                              instead?






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                              I don't think it's technically wrong, but I share your view that it sounds a bit strange.



                              How about:




                              Etherpad is a project that has been attracting my interest and
                              admiration for a long time.




                              instead?







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                              answered Dec 16 '11 at 14:03









                              RakuRaku

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                                  It is grammatically correct but it sounds like an "effect" to me, or like a zeugma. These rhetorical effects are better used in a proper context, maybe poetry, maybe humorous, or to attract the attention of the reader on the presence of your sentence. Here it is not the case: you want to attract the attention of the reader to the subject ("XXX"), not to your writing.






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                                    It is grammatically correct but it sounds like an "effect" to me, or like a zeugma. These rhetorical effects are better used in a proper context, maybe poetry, maybe humorous, or to attract the attention of the reader on the presence of your sentence. Here it is not the case: you want to attract the attention of the reader to the subject ("XXX"), not to your writing.






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                                      It is grammatically correct but it sounds like an "effect" to me, or like a zeugma. These rhetorical effects are better used in a proper context, maybe poetry, maybe humorous, or to attract the attention of the reader on the presence of your sentence. Here it is not the case: you want to attract the attention of the reader to the subject ("XXX"), not to your writing.






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                                      It is grammatically correct but it sounds like an "effect" to me, or like a zeugma. These rhetorical effects are better used in a proper context, maybe poetry, maybe humorous, or to attract the attention of the reader on the presence of your sentence. Here it is not the case: you want to attract the attention of the reader to the subject ("XXX"), not to your writing.







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                                      answered Dec 21 '11 at 9:02









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                                          If you tweak the structure of your sentence, you can change its rhythm.


                                          Try adding a pronoun to the original to form a compound sentence ...


                                          like this ...




                                          XXX is a project I admire, and I am very interested in it.




                                          or this ...




                                          I admire XXX, and I am very interested in it.




                                          or this ...




                                          XXX is a project I admire, and it holds my interest.







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                                            If you tweak the structure of your sentence, you can change its rhythm.


                                            Try adding a pronoun to the original to form a compound sentence ...


                                            like this ...




                                            XXX is a project I admire, and I am very interested in it.




                                            or this ...




                                            I admire XXX, and I am very interested in it.




                                            or this ...




                                            XXX is a project I admire, and it holds my interest.







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                                              If you tweak the structure of your sentence, you can change its rhythm.


                                              Try adding a pronoun to the original to form a compound sentence ...


                                              like this ...




                                              XXX is a project I admire, and I am very interested in it.




                                              or this ...




                                              I admire XXX, and I am very interested in it.




                                              or this ...




                                              XXX is a project I admire, and it holds my interest.







                                              share|improve this answer













                                              If you tweak the structure of your sentence, you can change its rhythm.


                                              Try adding a pronoun to the original to form a compound sentence ...


                                              like this ...




                                              XXX is a project I admire, and I am very interested in it.




                                              or this ...




                                              I admire XXX, and I am very interested in it.




                                              or this ...




                                              XXX is a project I admire, and it holds my interest.








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                                              answered Jan 18 '15 at 1:09









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