What will happen if Parliament votes “no” on each of the Brexit-related votes to be held on the 12th,...
It is being reported that there will be a series of votes on the 12th, 13th and 14th of March:
The prime minister said she will put her withdrawal agreement - including any changes she has agreed with the EU - to a meaningful vote by 12 March.
If that fails, MPs will be offered two separate votes:
One, on the following day, on whether MPs support a no-deal Brexit - so the UK would "only leave without a deal on 29 March if there is explicit consent in the House for that outcome"
If that fails, then MPs will get a vote by 14 March on requesting an extension to the two-year Article 50 negotiation process to delay EU withdrawal beyond 29 March
But what happens if Parliament votes against each of these? That is, what happens if Parliament votes against Theresa May's deal on the 12th, votes that it does not support a No Deal Brexit on the 13th, and then votes against extending the date of departure on the 14th? Firstly, what is the "will of Parliament" deemed to be in this case, and secondly, what are the practical consequences? The default, of course, is that the UK leaves on the 29th of March without a deal; yet Parliament will have said (in its vote on the 13th) that it does not support this eventuality.
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It is being reported that there will be a series of votes on the 12th, 13th and 14th of March:
The prime minister said she will put her withdrawal agreement - including any changes she has agreed with the EU - to a meaningful vote by 12 March.
If that fails, MPs will be offered two separate votes:
One, on the following day, on whether MPs support a no-deal Brexit - so the UK would "only leave without a deal on 29 March if there is explicit consent in the House for that outcome"
If that fails, then MPs will get a vote by 14 March on requesting an extension to the two-year Article 50 negotiation process to delay EU withdrawal beyond 29 March
But what happens if Parliament votes against each of these? That is, what happens if Parliament votes against Theresa May's deal on the 12th, votes that it does not support a No Deal Brexit on the 13th, and then votes against extending the date of departure on the 14th? Firstly, what is the "will of Parliament" deemed to be in this case, and secondly, what are the practical consequences? The default, of course, is that the UK leaves on the 29th of March without a deal; yet Parliament will have said (in its vote on the 13th) that it does not support this eventuality.
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The fact is that Parliaments 'support' for leaving with no deal is not truly relevant. If there is no extension, no revocation, and no 'deal', then membership ends on March 29th 2019, 23:00 no matter how Parliament feels on the matter.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
As of now, there's no definitive answer to this question as the government haven't said what would happen (the PM was asked but she avoided answering). In practice, there will need to be another vote (or series of votes) on other alternatives prior to April. I would expect they would include a vote for a 2nd referendum as the opposition parties will be pushing for that by then.
– Alex
12 hours ago
Sure they can keep voting all the way up until 22:59 March 29th, if they like, but if they haven't agreed to anything before then, the idea that they have to have 'explicit consent' to what happens a minute later is sheer silliness. In fact, it's silliness now. It just doesn't matter. So I think that simplifies the OP's question a bit as that can simply be disregarded.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
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I suspect even Theresa May doesn't know the answer.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
1
I would think a revocation would have to be specifcially part in the March 13th amendment then.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
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It is being reported that there will be a series of votes on the 12th, 13th and 14th of March:
The prime minister said she will put her withdrawal agreement - including any changes she has agreed with the EU - to a meaningful vote by 12 March.
If that fails, MPs will be offered two separate votes:
One, on the following day, on whether MPs support a no-deal Brexit - so the UK would "only leave without a deal on 29 March if there is explicit consent in the House for that outcome"
If that fails, then MPs will get a vote by 14 March on requesting an extension to the two-year Article 50 negotiation process to delay EU withdrawal beyond 29 March
But what happens if Parliament votes against each of these? That is, what happens if Parliament votes against Theresa May's deal on the 12th, votes that it does not support a No Deal Brexit on the 13th, and then votes against extending the date of departure on the 14th? Firstly, what is the "will of Parliament" deemed to be in this case, and secondly, what are the practical consequences? The default, of course, is that the UK leaves on the 29th of March without a deal; yet Parliament will have said (in its vote on the 13th) that it does not support this eventuality.
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It is being reported that there will be a series of votes on the 12th, 13th and 14th of March:
The prime minister said she will put her withdrawal agreement - including any changes she has agreed with the EU - to a meaningful vote by 12 March.
If that fails, MPs will be offered two separate votes:
One, on the following day, on whether MPs support a no-deal Brexit - so the UK would "only leave without a deal on 29 March if there is explicit consent in the House for that outcome"
If that fails, then MPs will get a vote by 14 March on requesting an extension to the two-year Article 50 negotiation process to delay EU withdrawal beyond 29 March
But what happens if Parliament votes against each of these? That is, what happens if Parliament votes against Theresa May's deal on the 12th, votes that it does not support a No Deal Brexit on the 13th, and then votes against extending the date of departure on the 14th? Firstly, what is the "will of Parliament" deemed to be in this case, and secondly, what are the practical consequences? The default, of course, is that the UK leaves on the 29th of March without a deal; yet Parliament will have said (in its vote on the 13th) that it does not support this eventuality.
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The fact is that Parliaments 'support' for leaving with no deal is not truly relevant. If there is no extension, no revocation, and no 'deal', then membership ends on March 29th 2019, 23:00 no matter how Parliament feels on the matter.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
As of now, there's no definitive answer to this question as the government haven't said what would happen (the PM was asked but she avoided answering). In practice, there will need to be another vote (or series of votes) on other alternatives prior to April. I would expect they would include a vote for a 2nd referendum as the opposition parties will be pushing for that by then.
– Alex
12 hours ago
Sure they can keep voting all the way up until 22:59 March 29th, if they like, but if they haven't agreed to anything before then, the idea that they have to have 'explicit consent' to what happens a minute later is sheer silliness. In fact, it's silliness now. It just doesn't matter. So I think that simplifies the OP's question a bit as that can simply be disregarded.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
10
I suspect even Theresa May doesn't know the answer.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
1
I would think a revocation would have to be specifcially part in the March 13th amendment then.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
|
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8
The fact is that Parliaments 'support' for leaving with no deal is not truly relevant. If there is no extension, no revocation, and no 'deal', then membership ends on March 29th 2019, 23:00 no matter how Parliament feels on the matter.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
As of now, there's no definitive answer to this question as the government haven't said what would happen (the PM was asked but she avoided answering). In practice, there will need to be another vote (or series of votes) on other alternatives prior to April. I would expect they would include a vote for a 2nd referendum as the opposition parties will be pushing for that by then.
– Alex
12 hours ago
Sure they can keep voting all the way up until 22:59 March 29th, if they like, but if they haven't agreed to anything before then, the idea that they have to have 'explicit consent' to what happens a minute later is sheer silliness. In fact, it's silliness now. It just doesn't matter. So I think that simplifies the OP's question a bit as that can simply be disregarded.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
10
I suspect even Theresa May doesn't know the answer.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
1
I would think a revocation would have to be specifcially part in the March 13th amendment then.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
8
8
The fact is that Parliaments 'support' for leaving with no deal is not truly relevant. If there is no extension, no revocation, and no 'deal', then membership ends on March 29th 2019, 23:00 no matter how Parliament feels on the matter.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
The fact is that Parliaments 'support' for leaving with no deal is not truly relevant. If there is no extension, no revocation, and no 'deal', then membership ends on March 29th 2019, 23:00 no matter how Parliament feels on the matter.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
As of now, there's no definitive answer to this question as the government haven't said what would happen (the PM was asked but she avoided answering). In practice, there will need to be another vote (or series of votes) on other alternatives prior to April. I would expect they would include a vote for a 2nd referendum as the opposition parties will be pushing for that by then.
– Alex
12 hours ago
As of now, there's no definitive answer to this question as the government haven't said what would happen (the PM was asked but she avoided answering). In practice, there will need to be another vote (or series of votes) on other alternatives prior to April. I would expect they would include a vote for a 2nd referendum as the opposition parties will be pushing for that by then.
– Alex
12 hours ago
Sure they can keep voting all the way up until 22:59 March 29th, if they like, but if they haven't agreed to anything before then, the idea that they have to have 'explicit consent' to what happens a minute later is sheer silliness. In fact, it's silliness now. It just doesn't matter. So I think that simplifies the OP's question a bit as that can simply be disregarded.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
Sure they can keep voting all the way up until 22:59 March 29th, if they like, but if they haven't agreed to anything before then, the idea that they have to have 'explicit consent' to what happens a minute later is sheer silliness. In fact, it's silliness now. It just doesn't matter. So I think that simplifies the OP's question a bit as that can simply be disregarded.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
10
10
I suspect even Theresa May doesn't know the answer.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
I suspect even Theresa May doesn't know the answer.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
1
1
I would think a revocation would have to be specifcially part in the March 13th amendment then.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
I would think a revocation would have to be specifcially part in the March 13th amendment then.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
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It looks like the BBC have stepped up to answer this very question.
Full Article on the three vote offers.
Per the flow chart below, if MPs vote no at all three votes, the UK will leave the EU without a deal.
However, at the moment it is my understanding that this information is speculative in that the text of the votes and any possible amendments have not yet been released and the details may change this flow diagram.
answered 10 hours ago
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As discussed in the comments on the Question, it may be this flow is wrong, particularly because it makes vote 2 and 3 mutually contradictory. So if vote 2 is flipped to "pass" an "No no-deal", then failing to pass the extension bill could result in revocation of Article 50.
– Jontia
10 hours ago
4
If this is what the BBC (a presumably knowledgeable source) is currently saying based on their current information, then this is a valid answer, even if the details change later.
– Bobson
10 hours ago
If this is accurate, I didn't realize the Marcth 13th vote was a simple absolute positive/negative. Ofcourse this doesn't cover the political ramifications.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
This flow chart implies that 50 percent of the routes result in a no-deal exit, or 2/3rds of them when you discount the unlikely 4th option (MPs approving the PM's deal, when they have already decisively rejected it). But many MPs make this choice whilst still having a nervous eye on their Constituency, most of which voted Leave in the Referendum.
– Ed999
7 hours ago
@Ed999 Your 4th option is the first option on the chart.
– Jontia
7 hours ago
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It looks like the BBC have stepped up to answer this very question.
Full Article on the three vote offers.
Per the flow chart below, if MPs vote no at all three votes, the UK will leave the EU without a deal.
However, at the moment it is my understanding that this information is speculative in that the text of the votes and any possible amendments have not yet been released and the details may change this flow diagram.
answered 10 hours ago
JontiaJontia
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As discussed in the comments on the Question, it may be this flow is wrong, particularly because it makes vote 2 and 3 mutually contradictory. So if vote 2 is flipped to "pass" an "No no-deal", then failing to pass the extension bill could result in revocation of Article 50.
– Jontia
10 hours ago
4
If this is what the BBC (a presumably knowledgeable source) is currently saying based on their current information, then this is a valid answer, even if the details change later.
– Bobson
10 hours ago
If this is accurate, I didn't realize the Marcth 13th vote was a simple absolute positive/negative. Ofcourse this doesn't cover the political ramifications.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
This flow chart implies that 50 percent of the routes result in a no-deal exit, or 2/3rds of them when you discount the unlikely 4th option (MPs approving the PM's deal, when they have already decisively rejected it). But many MPs make this choice whilst still having a nervous eye on their Constituency, most of which voted Leave in the Referendum.
– Ed999
7 hours ago
@Ed999 Your 4th option is the first option on the chart.
– Jontia
7 hours ago
|
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It looks like the BBC have stepped up to answer this very question.
Full Article on the three vote offers.
Per the flow chart below, if MPs vote no at all three votes, the UK will leave the EU without a deal.
However, at the moment it is my understanding that this information is speculative in that the text of the votes and any possible amendments have not yet been released and the details may change this flow diagram.
answered 10 hours ago
JontiaJontia
3,7951930
1
As discussed in the comments on the Question, it may be this flow is wrong, particularly because it makes vote 2 and 3 mutually contradictory. So if vote 2 is flipped to "pass" an "No no-deal", then failing to pass the extension bill could result in revocation of Article 50.
– Jontia
10 hours ago
4
If this is what the BBC (a presumably knowledgeable source) is currently saying based on their current information, then this is a valid answer, even if the details change later.
– Bobson
10 hours ago
If this is accurate, I didn't realize the Marcth 13th vote was a simple absolute positive/negative. Ofcourse this doesn't cover the political ramifications.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
This flow chart implies that 50 percent of the routes result in a no-deal exit, or 2/3rds of them when you discount the unlikely 4th option (MPs approving the PM's deal, when they have already decisively rejected it). But many MPs make this choice whilst still having a nervous eye on their Constituency, most of which voted Leave in the Referendum.
– Ed999
7 hours ago
@Ed999 Your 4th option is the first option on the chart.
– Jontia
7 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
It looks like the BBC have stepped up to answer this very question.
Full Article on the three vote offers.
Per the flow chart below, if MPs vote no at all three votes, the UK will leave the EU without a deal.
However, at the moment it is my understanding that this information is speculative in that the text of the votes and any possible amendments have not yet been released and the details may change this flow diagram.
answered 10 hours ago
JontiaJontia
3,7951930
It looks like the BBC have stepped up to answer this very question.
Full Article on the three vote offers.
Per the flow chart below, if MPs vote no at all three votes, the UK will leave the EU without a deal.
However, at the moment it is my understanding that this information is speculative in that the text of the votes and any possible amendments have not yet been released and the details may change this flow diagram.
answered 10 hours ago
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3,7951930
answered 10 hours ago
JontiaJontia
3,7951930
answered 10 hours ago
JontiaJontia
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answered 10 hours ago
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3,7951930
1
As discussed in the comments on the Question, it may be this flow is wrong, particularly because it makes vote 2 and 3 mutually contradictory. So if vote 2 is flipped to "pass" an "No no-deal", then failing to pass the extension bill could result in revocation of Article 50.
– Jontia
10 hours ago
4
If this is what the BBC (a presumably knowledgeable source) is currently saying based on their current information, then this is a valid answer, even if the details change later.
– Bobson
10 hours ago
If this is accurate, I didn't realize the Marcth 13th vote was a simple absolute positive/negative. Ofcourse this doesn't cover the political ramifications.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
This flow chart implies that 50 percent of the routes result in a no-deal exit, or 2/3rds of them when you discount the unlikely 4th option (MPs approving the PM's deal, when they have already decisively rejected it). But many MPs make this choice whilst still having a nervous eye on their Constituency, most of which voted Leave in the Referendum.
– Ed999
7 hours ago
@Ed999 Your 4th option is the first option on the chart.
– Jontia
7 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
1
As discussed in the comments on the Question, it may be this flow is wrong, particularly because it makes vote 2 and 3 mutually contradictory. So if vote 2 is flipped to "pass" an "No no-deal", then failing to pass the extension bill could result in revocation of Article 50.
– Jontia
10 hours ago
4
If this is what the BBC (a presumably knowledgeable source) is currently saying based on their current information, then this is a valid answer, even if the details change later.
– Bobson
10 hours ago
If this is accurate, I didn't realize the Marcth 13th vote was a simple absolute positive/negative. Ofcourse this doesn't cover the political ramifications.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
This flow chart implies that 50 percent of the routes result in a no-deal exit, or 2/3rds of them when you discount the unlikely 4th option (MPs approving the PM's deal, when they have already decisively rejected it). But many MPs make this choice whilst still having a nervous eye on their Constituency, most of which voted Leave in the Referendum.
– Ed999
7 hours ago
@Ed999 Your 4th option is the first option on the chart.
– Jontia
7 hours ago
1
1
As discussed in the comments on the Question, it may be this flow is wrong, particularly because it makes vote 2 and 3 mutually contradictory. So if vote 2 is flipped to "pass" an "No no-deal", then failing to pass the extension bill could result in revocation of Article 50.
– Jontia
10 hours ago
As discussed in the comments on the Question, it may be this flow is wrong, particularly because it makes vote 2 and 3 mutually contradictory. So if vote 2 is flipped to "pass" an "No no-deal", then failing to pass the extension bill could result in revocation of Article 50.
– Jontia
10 hours ago
4
4
If this is what the BBC (a presumably knowledgeable source) is currently saying based on their current information, then this is a valid answer, even if the details change later.
– Bobson
10 hours ago
If this is what the BBC (a presumably knowledgeable source) is currently saying based on their current information, then this is a valid answer, even if the details change later.
– Bobson
10 hours ago
If this is accurate, I didn't realize the Marcth 13th vote was a simple absolute positive/negative. Ofcourse this doesn't cover the political ramifications.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
If this is accurate, I didn't realize the Marcth 13th vote was a simple absolute positive/negative. Ofcourse this doesn't cover the political ramifications.
– ouflak
10 hours ago
This flow chart implies that 50 percent of the routes result in a no-deal exit, or 2/3rds of them when you discount the unlikely 4th option (MPs approving the PM's deal, when they have already decisively rejected it). But many MPs make this choice whilst still having a nervous eye on their Constituency, most of which voted Leave in the Referendum.
– Ed999
7 hours ago
This flow chart implies that 50 percent of the routes result in a no-deal exit, or 2/3rds of them when you discount the unlikely 4th option (MPs approving the PM's deal, when they have already decisively rejected it). But many MPs make this choice whilst still having a nervous eye on their Constituency, most of which voted Leave in the Referendum.
– Ed999
7 hours ago
@Ed999 Your 4th option is the first option on the chart.
– Jontia
7 hours ago
@Ed999 Your 4th option is the first option on the chart.
– Jontia
7 hours ago
|
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The fact is that Parliaments 'support' for leaving with no deal is not truly relevant. If there is no extension, no revocation, and no 'deal', then membership ends on March 29th 2019, 23:00 no matter how Parliament feels on the matter.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
As of now, there's no definitive answer to this question as the government haven't said what would happen (the PM was asked but she avoided answering). In practice, there will need to be another vote (or series of votes) on other alternatives prior to April. I would expect they would include a vote for a 2nd referendum as the opposition parties will be pushing for that by then.
– Alex
12 hours ago
Sure they can keep voting all the way up until 22:59 March 29th, if they like, but if they haven't agreed to anything before then, the idea that they have to have 'explicit consent' to what happens a minute later is sheer silliness. In fact, it's silliness now. It just doesn't matter. So I think that simplifies the OP's question a bit as that can simply be disregarded.
– ouflak
12 hours ago
10
I suspect even Theresa May doesn't know the answer.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
1
I would think a revocation would have to be specifcially part in the March 13th amendment then.
– ouflak
10 hours ago