Creature spells vs. ability to convert a permanent into a creature
I just wanted some clarification here, but is an ability to convert into a creature (from a land or an artifact) regarded the same as a casting "creature spell" (as an instant I guess) in terms of "color creature spells you cast cost 1 less to cast"?
Does that makes sense?
If I wanted to convert a land into a 3/3 creature would an artifact with this ability allow me cast that conversion (as a creature spell) for less mana?
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I just wanted some clarification here, but is an ability to convert into a creature (from a land or an artifact) regarded the same as a casting "creature spell" (as an instant I guess) in terms of "color creature spells you cast cost 1 less to cast"?
Does that makes sense?
If I wanted to convert a land into a 3/3 creature would an artifact with this ability allow me cast that conversion (as a creature spell) for less mana?
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Abilities aren't spells. Abilities aren't cast. Abilities don't have a card type. Abilities don't have a color.
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@ Neal, Welcome to the Site! Pretty good for a first question, MTG can be pretty complex so asking for clarification can help out a lot. If you would like to learn more about how the site works consider taking the tour.
– Malco
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I just wanted some clarification here, but is an ability to convert into a creature (from a land or an artifact) regarded the same as a casting "creature spell" (as an instant I guess) in terms of "color creature spells you cast cost 1 less to cast"?
Does that makes sense?
If I wanted to convert a land into a 3/3 creature would an artifact with this ability allow me cast that conversion (as a creature spell) for less mana?
magic-the-gathering
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I just wanted some clarification here, but is an ability to convert into a creature (from a land or an artifact) regarded the same as a casting "creature spell" (as an instant I guess) in terms of "color creature spells you cast cost 1 less to cast"?
Does that makes sense?
If I wanted to convert a land into a 3/3 creature would an artifact with this ability allow me cast that conversion (as a creature spell) for less mana?
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Abilities aren't spells. Abilities aren't cast. Abilities don't have a card type. Abilities don't have a color.
– ikegami
12 hours ago
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@ Neal, Welcome to the Site! Pretty good for a first question, MTG can be pretty complex so asking for clarification can help out a lot. If you would like to learn more about how the site works consider taking the tour.
– Malco
12 hours ago
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Abilities aren't spells. Abilities aren't cast. Abilities don't have a card type. Abilities don't have a color.
– ikegami
12 hours ago
1
@ Neal, Welcome to the Site! Pretty good for a first question, MTG can be pretty complex so asking for clarification can help out a lot. If you would like to learn more about how the site works consider taking the tour.
– Malco
12 hours ago
Abilities aren't spells. Abilities aren't cast. Abilities don't have a card type. Abilities don't have a color.
– ikegami
12 hours ago
Abilities aren't spells. Abilities aren't cast. Abilities don't have a card type. Abilities don't have a color.
– ikegami
12 hours ago
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1
@ Neal, Welcome to the Site! Pretty good for a first question, MTG can be pretty complex so asking for clarification can help out a lot. If you would like to learn more about how the site works consider taking the tour.
– Malco
12 hours ago
@ Neal, Welcome to the Site! Pretty good for a first question, MTG can be pretty complex so asking for clarification can help out a lot. If you would like to learn more about how the site works consider taking the tour.
– Malco
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No, you said it yourself: it's an ability, which is different from a spell. If you get a discount on creature spells, it won't affect abilities.
- Spells
111.1. A spell is a card on the stack. As the first step of being cast (see rule 601, "Casting Spells"), the card becomes a spell and is moved to the top of the stack from the zone it was in, which is usually its owner's hand. (See rule 405, "Stack.")
- Abilities
112.1a An ability can be a characteristic an object has that lets it affect the game. An object's abilities are defined by its rules text or by the effect that created it. Abilities can also be granted to objects by rules or effects. (Effects that grant abilities usually use the words "has," "have," "gains," or "gain.") Abilities generate effects. (See rule 609, "Effects.")
...
112.1c An ability can be an activated or triggered ability on the stack. This kind of ability is an object. (See section 6, "Spells, Abilities, and Effects.")
- Activating Activated Abilities
602.1. Activated abilities have a cost and an effect. They are written as "[Cost]: [Effect.] [Activation instructions (if any).]"
answered 12 hours ago
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112.1a-c seem to be more relevant with regards to what an ability is vs what a spell is.
– Hackworth
10 hours ago
I considered citing them, but I hate the circular definition in 112.1c with a passion.
– Glorfindel
10 hours ago
It might also be worth addressing why a token producing spell is not a creature spell.
– Arcanist Lupus
10 hours ago
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@Glorfindel I wouldn't say the definition is circular. An ability as per 112.1c is an object on the stack that was created by an ability as per 112.1a.
– Hackworth
8 hours ago
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No, you said it yourself: it's an ability, which is different from a spell. If you get a discount on creature spells, it won't affect abilities.
- Spells
111.1. A spell is a card on the stack. As the first step of being cast (see rule 601, "Casting Spells"), the card becomes a spell and is moved to the top of the stack from the zone it was in, which is usually its owner's hand. (See rule 405, "Stack.")
- Abilities
112.1a An ability can be a characteristic an object has that lets it affect the game. An object's abilities are defined by its rules text or by the effect that created it. Abilities can also be granted to objects by rules or effects. (Effects that grant abilities usually use the words "has," "have," "gains," or "gain.") Abilities generate effects. (See rule 609, "Effects.")
...
112.1c An ability can be an activated or triggered ability on the stack. This kind of ability is an object. (See section 6, "Spells, Abilities, and Effects.")
- Activating Activated Abilities
602.1. Activated abilities have a cost and an effect. They are written as "[Cost]: [Effect.] [Activation instructions (if any).]"
answered 12 hours ago
GlorfindelGlorfindel
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112.1a-c seem to be more relevant with regards to what an ability is vs what a spell is.
– Hackworth
10 hours ago
I considered citing them, but I hate the circular definition in 112.1c with a passion.
– Glorfindel
10 hours ago
It might also be worth addressing why a token producing spell is not a creature spell.
– Arcanist Lupus
10 hours ago
1
@Glorfindel I wouldn't say the definition is circular. An ability as per 112.1c is an object on the stack that was created by an ability as per 112.1a.
– Hackworth
8 hours ago
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No, you said it yourself: it's an ability, which is different from a spell. If you get a discount on creature spells, it won't affect abilities.
- Spells
111.1. A spell is a card on the stack. As the first step of being cast (see rule 601, "Casting Spells"), the card becomes a spell and is moved to the top of the stack from the zone it was in, which is usually its owner's hand. (See rule 405, "Stack.")
- Abilities
112.1a An ability can be a characteristic an object has that lets it affect the game. An object's abilities are defined by its rules text or by the effect that created it. Abilities can also be granted to objects by rules or effects. (Effects that grant abilities usually use the words "has," "have," "gains," or "gain.") Abilities generate effects. (See rule 609, "Effects.")
...
112.1c An ability can be an activated or triggered ability on the stack. This kind of ability is an object. (See section 6, "Spells, Abilities, and Effects.")
- Activating Activated Abilities
602.1. Activated abilities have a cost and an effect. They are written as "[Cost]: [Effect.] [Activation instructions (if any).]"
answered 12 hours ago
GlorfindelGlorfindel
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112.1a-c seem to be more relevant with regards to what an ability is vs what a spell is.
– Hackworth
10 hours ago
I considered citing them, but I hate the circular definition in 112.1c with a passion.
– Glorfindel
10 hours ago
It might also be worth addressing why a token producing spell is not a creature spell.
– Arcanist Lupus
10 hours ago
1
@Glorfindel I wouldn't say the definition is circular. An ability as per 112.1c is an object on the stack that was created by an ability as per 112.1a.
– Hackworth
8 hours ago
add a comment |
No, you said it yourself: it's an ability, which is different from a spell. If you get a discount on creature spells, it won't affect abilities.
- Spells
111.1. A spell is a card on the stack. As the first step of being cast (see rule 601, "Casting Spells"), the card becomes a spell and is moved to the top of the stack from the zone it was in, which is usually its owner's hand. (See rule 405, "Stack.")
- Abilities
112.1a An ability can be a characteristic an object has that lets it affect the game. An object's abilities are defined by its rules text or by the effect that created it. Abilities can also be granted to objects by rules or effects. (Effects that grant abilities usually use the words "has," "have," "gains," or "gain.") Abilities generate effects. (See rule 609, "Effects.")
...
112.1c An ability can be an activated or triggered ability on the stack. This kind of ability is an object. (See section 6, "Spells, Abilities, and Effects.")
- Activating Activated Abilities
602.1. Activated abilities have a cost and an effect. They are written as "[Cost]: [Effect.] [Activation instructions (if any).]"
answered 12 hours ago
GlorfindelGlorfindel
5,00611339
No, you said it yourself: it's an ability, which is different from a spell. If you get a discount on creature spells, it won't affect abilities.
- Spells
111.1. A spell is a card on the stack. As the first step of being cast (see rule 601, "Casting Spells"), the card becomes a spell and is moved to the top of the stack from the zone it was in, which is usually its owner's hand. (See rule 405, "Stack.")
- Abilities
112.1a An ability can be a characteristic an object has that lets it affect the game. An object's abilities are defined by its rules text or by the effect that created it. Abilities can also be granted to objects by rules or effects. (Effects that grant abilities usually use the words "has," "have," "gains," or "gain.") Abilities generate effects. (See rule 609, "Effects.")
...
112.1c An ability can be an activated or triggered ability on the stack. This kind of ability is an object. (See section 6, "Spells, Abilities, and Effects.")
- Activating Activated Abilities
602.1. Activated abilities have a cost and an effect. They are written as "[Cost]: [Effect.] [Activation instructions (if any).]"
answered 12 hours ago
GlorfindelGlorfindel
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112.1a-c seem to be more relevant with regards to what an ability is vs what a spell is.
– Hackworth
10 hours ago
I considered citing them, but I hate the circular definition in 112.1c with a passion.
– Glorfindel
10 hours ago
It might also be worth addressing why a token producing spell is not a creature spell.
– Arcanist Lupus
10 hours ago
1
@Glorfindel I wouldn't say the definition is circular. An ability as per 112.1c is an object on the stack that was created by an ability as per 112.1a.
– Hackworth
8 hours ago
add a comment |
112.1a-c seem to be more relevant with regards to what an ability is vs what a spell is.
– Hackworth
10 hours ago
I considered citing them, but I hate the circular definition in 112.1c with a passion.
– Glorfindel
10 hours ago
It might also be worth addressing why a token producing spell is not a creature spell.
– Arcanist Lupus
10 hours ago
1
@Glorfindel I wouldn't say the definition is circular. An ability as per 112.1c is an object on the stack that was created by an ability as per 112.1a.
– Hackworth
8 hours ago
112.1a-c seem to be more relevant with regards to what an ability is vs what a spell is.
– Hackworth
10 hours ago
112.1a-c seem to be more relevant with regards to what an ability is vs what a spell is.
– Hackworth
10 hours ago
I considered citing them, but I hate the circular definition in 112.1c with a passion.
– Glorfindel
10 hours ago
I considered citing them, but I hate the circular definition in 112.1c with a passion.
– Glorfindel
10 hours ago
It might also be worth addressing why a token producing spell is not a creature spell.
– Arcanist Lupus
10 hours ago
It might also be worth addressing why a token producing spell is not a creature spell.
– Arcanist Lupus
10 hours ago
1
1
@Glorfindel I wouldn't say the definition is circular. An ability as per 112.1c is an object on the stack that was created by an ability as per 112.1a.
– Hackworth
8 hours ago
@Glorfindel I wouldn't say the definition is circular. An ability as per 112.1c is an object on the stack that was created by an ability as per 112.1a.
– Hackworth
8 hours ago
add a comment |
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Abilities aren't spells. Abilities aren't cast. Abilities don't have a card type. Abilities don't have a color.
– ikegami
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@ Neal, Welcome to the Site! Pretty good for a first question, MTG can be pretty complex so asking for clarification can help out a lot. If you would like to learn more about how the site works consider taking the tour.
– Malco
12 hours ago