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A portion of a wooden cube is sawed off at each vertex so that a small equilateral triangle is formed at each corner with vertices on the edges of the cube. The $24$ vertices of the new object are all connected to each other by straight lines. How many of these lines (with the exception, of course, of their end-points) lie entirely in the interior of the original cube?
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A portion of a wooden cube is sawed off at each vertex so that a small equilateral triangle is formed at each corner with vertices on the edges of the cube. The $24$ vertices of the new object are all connected to each other by straight lines. How many of these lines (with the exception, of course, of their end-points) lie entirely in the interior of the original cube?
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A portion of a wooden cube is sawed off at each vertex so that a small equilateral triangle is formed at each corner with vertices on the edges of the cube. The $24$ vertices of the new object are all connected to each other by straight lines. How many of these lines (with the exception, of course, of their end-points) lie entirely in the interior of the original cube?
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A portion of a wooden cube is sawed off at each vertex so that a small equilateral triangle is formed at each corner with vertices on the edges of the cube. The $24$ vertices of the new object are all connected to each other by straight lines. How many of these lines (with the exception, of course, of their end-points) lie entirely in the interior of the original cube?
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Alternatively, consider four-storey building with $8,4,4,8$ points labeled $1$ through $24$:
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First floor: Number $1$ can connect with none on the first floor. $1$ can connect with ${11,12}$ on the second floor, with ${15,16}$ on the third floor and with ${19,20,21,22,23,24}$ on the fourth floor. So, $1$ can connect with $2+2+6=10$ points, so does each of $2-8$, hence: $8cdot 10=color{red}{80}$.
Second floor: Number $9$ can connect with none on the first floor. $9$ can connect with ${11}$ on the second floor, so does $10$ with $12$. Hence: $color{red}{2}$ connections on the second floor only. $9$ can connect with ${15}$ on the third floor and with ${19,20,21,22}$ on the fourth floor. So, $9$ can connect with $1+4=5$ points on the third and fourth floors, so does each each of ${10,11,12}$, hence: $4cdot 5=color{red}{20}$. Overall, $color{red}{22}$ connections.
Third floor: $13$ can connect with none on the first or second floor. $13$ can connect with ${15}$ on the third floor, so does $14$ with $16$, hence $color{red}{2}$ connections on the third floor only. $13$ can connect with ${19,20,21,22}$ on the fourth floor. So, $13$ can connect with $4$ points on the fourth floor, so does each of ${14,15,16}$, hence: $4cdot 4=color{red}{16}$. Overall, $color{red}{18}$ connections.
Fourth floor: $17$ can connect with none on the first, second, third or fourth floor. So does each other on the fourth floor.
Hence, the number of inner connections is: $color{red}{80}+color{red}{22}+color{red}{18}=120$.
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now it is fixed.
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Another way of looking at it: since the symmetry group of the truncated cube lets you rotate any vertex on to any other vertex, once you count how many connections a single one can make (10), you can multiply that by 24 to get the number of directed connections, then divide by two because that figure counts each connection twice (once in each direction), and you get the same answer of 120. I don't know if this would be independent enough to make a good separate answer.
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David Z, I assume that is what Parcly Taxel did after finding the number of inner connections. I just wanted to see through all inner connections from different perspectives. Cheers.
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In the resulting truncated cube, each vertex $v$ is incident to one triangle and two octagons, which together have $3+8+8-3-3=13$ vertices between them excluding $v$. Lines from $v$ to these $13$ vertices will not be completely in the cube; lines to the other $24-13-1=10$ vertices will. Since each connecting line is incident to two vertices, there are $frac{24cdot10}2=120$ interior lines.
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+1 IMHO the most natural answer (also quickest, also least prone to counting error) since every vertex is the same.
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One triangle and two octagons. Given this mistake, can you please explain your $3+8+8-3-3$? It gets the right answer, but it looks like sheer luck...
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@TonyK It's a typo, that's all!
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Every one of them that does not run along a face.
Each octahedral face of the object, of which there are $6,$ contains $8$ vertices, so there are $6{8 choose 2}=168$ segments along those faces. The segments that are part of the $12$ original edges of the cube are counted twice, so we subtract $12$, leaving $156$ segments on the octagonal faces of the object.
The triangular faces have segments running along them, but we have already counted those because they also run along an octahedral face. There are ${24 choose 2}=276$ line segments, so there are $276-156=120$ running through the body of the object.
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You're double-counting octagon-octagon edges.
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@ParclyTaxel: Good point. Fixed. Thanks.
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The object you describe is called the truncated cube, it's an Archimedian solid.
See for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_cube
All of its edges lie on the surface of the orginal cube.
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But there are segments that run through the body as well. If we put the cube in the first quadrant, there are $9$ segments from the corners near $(0,0,0)$ to corners near $(1,1,1)$ that just have endpoints on the exterior. Those are the ones we want to count.
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Alternatively, consider four-storey building with $8,4,4,8$ points labeled $1$ through $24$:
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First floor: Number $1$ can connect with none on the first floor. $1$ can connect with ${11,12}$ on the second floor, with ${15,16}$ on the third floor and with ${19,20,21,22,23,24}$ on the fourth floor. So, $1$ can connect with $2+2+6=10$ points, so does each of $2-8$, hence: $8cdot 10=color{red}{80}$.
Second floor: Number $9$ can connect with none on the first floor. $9$ can connect with ${11}$ on the second floor, so does $10$ with $12$. Hence: $color{red}{2}$ connections on the second floor only. $9$ can connect with ${15}$ on the third floor and with ${19,20,21,22}$ on the fourth floor. So, $9$ can connect with $1+4=5$ points on the third and fourth floors, so does each each of ${10,11,12}$, hence: $4cdot 5=color{red}{20}$. Overall, $color{red}{22}$ connections.
Third floor: $13$ can connect with none on the first or second floor. $13$ can connect with ${15}$ on the third floor, so does $14$ with $16$, hence $color{red}{2}$ connections on the third floor only. $13$ can connect with ${19,20,21,22}$ on the fourth floor. So, $13$ can connect with $4$ points on the fourth floor, so does each of ${14,15,16}$, hence: $4cdot 4=color{red}{16}$. Overall, $color{red}{18}$ connections.
Fourth floor: $17$ can connect with none on the first, second, third or fourth floor. So does each other on the fourth floor.
Hence, the number of inner connections is: $color{red}{80}+color{red}{22}+color{red}{18}=120$.
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– farruhota
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now it is fixed.
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– farruhota
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Another way of looking at it: since the symmetry group of the truncated cube lets you rotate any vertex on to any other vertex, once you count how many connections a single one can make (10), you can multiply that by 24 to get the number of directed connections, then divide by two because that figure counts each connection twice (once in each direction), and you get the same answer of 120. I don't know if this would be independent enough to make a good separate answer.
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David Z, I assume that is what Parcly Taxel did after finding the number of inner connections. I just wanted to see through all inner connections from different perspectives. Cheers.
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Alternatively, consider four-storey building with $8,4,4,8$ points labeled $1$ through $24$:
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First floor: Number $1$ can connect with none on the first floor. $1$ can connect with ${11,12}$ on the second floor, with ${15,16}$ on the third floor and with ${19,20,21,22,23,24}$ on the fourth floor. So, $1$ can connect with $2+2+6=10$ points, so does each of $2-8$, hence: $8cdot 10=color{red}{80}$.
Second floor: Number $9$ can connect with none on the first floor. $9$ can connect with ${11}$ on the second floor, so does $10$ with $12$. Hence: $color{red}{2}$ connections on the second floor only. $9$ can connect with ${15}$ on the third floor and with ${19,20,21,22}$ on the fourth floor. So, $9$ can connect with $1+4=5$ points on the third and fourth floors, so does each each of ${10,11,12}$, hence: $4cdot 5=color{red}{20}$. Overall, $color{red}{22}$ connections.
Third floor: $13$ can connect with none on the first or second floor. $13$ can connect with ${15}$ on the third floor, so does $14$ with $16$, hence $color{red}{2}$ connections on the third floor only. $13$ can connect with ${19,20,21,22}$ on the fourth floor. So, $13$ can connect with $4$ points on the fourth floor, so does each of ${14,15,16}$, hence: $4cdot 4=color{red}{16}$. Overall, $color{red}{18}$ connections.
Fourth floor: $17$ can connect with none on the first, second, third or fourth floor. So does each other on the fourth floor.
Hence, the number of inner connections is: $color{red}{80}+color{red}{22}+color{red}{18}=120$.
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now it is fixed.
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– farruhota
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Another way of looking at it: since the symmetry group of the truncated cube lets you rotate any vertex on to any other vertex, once you count how many connections a single one can make (10), you can multiply that by 24 to get the number of directed connections, then divide by two because that figure counts each connection twice (once in each direction), and you get the same answer of 120. I don't know if this would be independent enough to make a good separate answer.
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– David Z
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David Z, I assume that is what Parcly Taxel did after finding the number of inner connections. I just wanted to see through all inner connections from different perspectives. Cheers.
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Alternatively, consider four-storey building with $8,4,4,8$ points labeled $1$ through $24$:
$hspace{3cm}$
First floor: Number $1$ can connect with none on the first floor. $1$ can connect with ${11,12}$ on the second floor, with ${15,16}$ on the third floor and with ${19,20,21,22,23,24}$ on the fourth floor. So, $1$ can connect with $2+2+6=10$ points, so does each of $2-8$, hence: $8cdot 10=color{red}{80}$.
Second floor: Number $9$ can connect with none on the first floor. $9$ can connect with ${11}$ on the second floor, so does $10$ with $12$. Hence: $color{red}{2}$ connections on the second floor only. $9$ can connect with ${15}$ on the third floor and with ${19,20,21,22}$ on the fourth floor. So, $9$ can connect with $1+4=5$ points on the third and fourth floors, so does each each of ${10,11,12}$, hence: $4cdot 5=color{red}{20}$. Overall, $color{red}{22}$ connections.
Third floor: $13$ can connect with none on the first or second floor. $13$ can connect with ${15}$ on the third floor, so does $14$ with $16$, hence $color{red}{2}$ connections on the third floor only. $13$ can connect with ${19,20,21,22}$ on the fourth floor. So, $13$ can connect with $4$ points on the fourth floor, so does each of ${14,15,16}$, hence: $4cdot 4=color{red}{16}$. Overall, $color{red}{18}$ connections.
Fourth floor: $17$ can connect with none on the first, second, third or fourth floor. So does each other on the fourth floor.
Hence, the number of inner connections is: $color{red}{80}+color{red}{22}+color{red}{18}=120$.
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Alternatively, consider four-storey building with $8,4,4,8$ points labeled $1$ through $24$:
$hspace{3cm}$
First floor: Number $1$ can connect with none on the first floor. $1$ can connect with ${11,12}$ on the second floor, with ${15,16}$ on the third floor and with ${19,20,21,22,23,24}$ on the fourth floor. So, $1$ can connect with $2+2+6=10$ points, so does each of $2-8$, hence: $8cdot 10=color{red}{80}$.
Second floor: Number $9$ can connect with none on the first floor. $9$ can connect with ${11}$ on the second floor, so does $10$ with $12$. Hence: $color{red}{2}$ connections on the second floor only. $9$ can connect with ${15}$ on the third floor and with ${19,20,21,22}$ on the fourth floor. So, $9$ can connect with $1+4=5$ points on the third and fourth floors, so does each each of ${10,11,12}$, hence: $4cdot 5=color{red}{20}$. Overall, $color{red}{22}$ connections.
Third floor: $13$ can connect with none on the first or second floor. $13$ can connect with ${15}$ on the third floor, so does $14$ with $16$, hence $color{red}{2}$ connections on the third floor only. $13$ can connect with ${19,20,21,22}$ on the fourth floor. So, $13$ can connect with $4$ points on the fourth floor, so does each of ${14,15,16}$, hence: $4cdot 4=color{red}{16}$. Overall, $color{red}{18}$ connections.
Fourth floor: $17$ can connect with none on the first, second, third or fourth floor. So does each other on the fourth floor.
Hence, the number of inner connections is: $color{red}{80}+color{red}{22}+color{red}{18}=120$.
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Another way of looking at it: since the symmetry group of the truncated cube lets you rotate any vertex on to any other vertex, once you count how many connections a single one can make (10), you can multiply that by 24 to get the number of directed connections, then divide by two because that figure counts each connection twice (once in each direction), and you get the same answer of 120. I don't know if this would be independent enough to make a good separate answer.
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David Z, I assume that is what Parcly Taxel did after finding the number of inner connections. I just wanted to see through all inner connections from different perspectives. Cheers.
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now it is fixed.
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Another way of looking at it: since the symmetry group of the truncated cube lets you rotate any vertex on to any other vertex, once you count how many connections a single one can make (10), you can multiply that by 24 to get the number of directed connections, then divide by two because that figure counts each connection twice (once in each direction), and you get the same answer of 120. I don't know if this would be independent enough to make a good separate answer.
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David Z, I assume that is what Parcly Taxel did after finding the number of inner connections. I just wanted to see through all inner connections from different perspectives. Cheers.
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– farruhota
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something is missing, let me double check
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now it is fixed.
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Another way of looking at it: since the symmetry group of the truncated cube lets you rotate any vertex on to any other vertex, once you count how many connections a single one can make (10), you can multiply that by 24 to get the number of directed connections, then divide by two because that figure counts each connection twice (once in each direction), and you get the same answer of 120. I don't know if this would be independent enough to make a good separate answer.
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– David Z
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Another way of looking at it: since the symmetry group of the truncated cube lets you rotate any vertex on to any other vertex, once you count how many connections a single one can make (10), you can multiply that by 24 to get the number of directed connections, then divide by two because that figure counts each connection twice (once in each direction), and you get the same answer of 120. I don't know if this would be independent enough to make a good separate answer.
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David Z, I assume that is what Parcly Taxel did after finding the number of inner connections. I just wanted to see through all inner connections from different perspectives. Cheers.
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– farruhota
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David Z, I assume that is what Parcly Taxel did after finding the number of inner connections. I just wanted to see through all inner connections from different perspectives. Cheers.
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In the resulting truncated cube, each vertex $v$ is incident to one triangle and two octagons, which together have $3+8+8-3-3=13$ vertices between them excluding $v$. Lines from $v$ to these $13$ vertices will not be completely in the cube; lines to the other $24-13-1=10$ vertices will. Since each connecting line is incident to two vertices, there are $frac{24cdot10}2=120$ interior lines.
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+1 IMHO the most natural answer (also quickest, also least prone to counting error) since every vertex is the same.
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One triangle and two octagons. Given this mistake, can you please explain your $3+8+8-3-3$? It gets the right answer, but it looks like sheer luck...
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@TonyK It's a typo, that's all!
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In the resulting truncated cube, each vertex $v$ is incident to one triangle and two octagons, which together have $3+8+8-3-3=13$ vertices between them excluding $v$. Lines from $v$ to these $13$ vertices will not be completely in the cube; lines to the other $24-13-1=10$ vertices will. Since each connecting line is incident to two vertices, there are $frac{24cdot10}2=120$ interior lines.
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+1 IMHO the most natural answer (also quickest, also least prone to counting error) since every vertex is the same.
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One triangle and two octagons. Given this mistake, can you please explain your $3+8+8-3-3$? It gets the right answer, but it looks like sheer luck...
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@TonyK It's a typo, that's all!
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In the resulting truncated cube, each vertex $v$ is incident to one triangle and two octagons, which together have $3+8+8-3-3=13$ vertices between them excluding $v$. Lines from $v$ to these $13$ vertices will not be completely in the cube; lines to the other $24-13-1=10$ vertices will. Since each connecting line is incident to two vertices, there are $frac{24cdot10}2=120$ interior lines.
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In the resulting truncated cube, each vertex $v$ is incident to one triangle and two octagons, which together have $3+8+8-3-3=13$ vertices between them excluding $v$. Lines from $v$ to these $13$ vertices will not be completely in the cube; lines to the other $24-13-1=10$ vertices will. Since each connecting line is incident to two vertices, there are $frac{24cdot10}2=120$ interior lines.
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+1 IMHO the most natural answer (also quickest, also least prone to counting error) since every vertex is the same.
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One triangle and two octagons. Given this mistake, can you please explain your $3+8+8-3-3$? It gets the right answer, but it looks like sheer luck...
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+1 IMHO the most natural answer (also quickest, also least prone to counting error) since every vertex is the same.
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One triangle and two octagons. Given this mistake, can you please explain your $3+8+8-3-3$? It gets the right answer, but it looks like sheer luck...
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@TonyK It's a typo, that's all!
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+1 IMHO the most natural answer (also quickest, also least prone to counting error) since every vertex is the same.
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+1 IMHO the most natural answer (also quickest, also least prone to counting error) since every vertex is the same.
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One triangle and two octagons. Given this mistake, can you please explain your $3+8+8-3-3$? It gets the right answer, but it looks like sheer luck...
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One triangle and two octagons. Given this mistake, can you please explain your $3+8+8-3-3$? It gets the right answer, but it looks like sheer luck...
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– TonyK
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@TonyK It's a typo, that's all!
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– Parcly Taxel
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@TonyK It's a typo, that's all!
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Every one of them that does not run along a face.
Each octahedral face of the object, of which there are $6,$ contains $8$ vertices, so there are $6{8 choose 2}=168$ segments along those faces. The segments that are part of the $12$ original edges of the cube are counted twice, so we subtract $12$, leaving $156$ segments on the octagonal faces of the object.
The triangular faces have segments running along them, but we have already counted those because they also run along an octahedral face. There are ${24 choose 2}=276$ line segments, so there are $276-156=120$ running through the body of the object.
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You're double-counting octagon-octagon edges.
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– Parcly Taxel
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@ParclyTaxel: Good point. Fixed. Thanks.
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Every one of them that does not run along a face.
Each octahedral face of the object, of which there are $6,$ contains $8$ vertices, so there are $6{8 choose 2}=168$ segments along those faces. The segments that are part of the $12$ original edges of the cube are counted twice, so we subtract $12$, leaving $156$ segments on the octagonal faces of the object.
The triangular faces have segments running along them, but we have already counted those because they also run along an octahedral face. There are ${24 choose 2}=276$ line segments, so there are $276-156=120$ running through the body of the object.
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You're double-counting octagon-octagon edges.
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– Parcly Taxel
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@ParclyTaxel: Good point. Fixed. Thanks.
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Every one of them that does not run along a face.
Each octahedral face of the object, of which there are $6,$ contains $8$ vertices, so there are $6{8 choose 2}=168$ segments along those faces. The segments that are part of the $12$ original edges of the cube are counted twice, so we subtract $12$, leaving $156$ segments on the octagonal faces of the object.
The triangular faces have segments running along them, but we have already counted those because they also run along an octahedral face. There are ${24 choose 2}=276$ line segments, so there are $276-156=120$ running through the body of the object.
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Every one of them that does not run along a face.
Each octahedral face of the object, of which there are $6,$ contains $8$ vertices, so there are $6{8 choose 2}=168$ segments along those faces. The segments that are part of the $12$ original edges of the cube are counted twice, so we subtract $12$, leaving $156$ segments on the octagonal faces of the object.
The triangular faces have segments running along them, but we have already counted those because they also run along an octahedral face. There are ${24 choose 2}=276$ line segments, so there are $276-156=120$ running through the body of the object.
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You're double-counting octagon-octagon edges.
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– Parcly Taxel
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@ParclyTaxel: Good point. Fixed. Thanks.
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You're double-counting octagon-octagon edges.
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– Parcly Taxel
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@ParclyTaxel: Good point. Fixed. Thanks.
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– Ross Millikan
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You're double-counting octagon-octagon edges.
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– Parcly Taxel
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You're double-counting octagon-octagon edges.
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– Parcly Taxel
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@ParclyTaxel: Good point. Fixed. Thanks.
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– Ross Millikan
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@ParclyTaxel: Good point. Fixed. Thanks.
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The object you describe is called the truncated cube, it's an Archimedian solid.
See for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_cube
All of its edges lie on the surface of the orginal cube.
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But there are segments that run through the body as well. If we put the cube in the first quadrant, there are $9$ segments from the corners near $(0,0,0)$ to corners near $(1,1,1)$ that just have endpoints on the exterior. Those are the ones we want to count.
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The object you describe is called the truncated cube, it's an Archimedian solid.
See for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_cube
All of its edges lie on the surface of the orginal cube.
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But there are segments that run through the body as well. If we put the cube in the first quadrant, there are $9$ segments from the corners near $(0,0,0)$ to corners near $(1,1,1)$ that just have endpoints on the exterior. Those are the ones we want to count.
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The object you describe is called the truncated cube, it's an Archimedian solid.
See for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_cube
All of its edges lie on the surface of the orginal cube.
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The object you describe is called the truncated cube, it's an Archimedian solid.
See for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_cube
All of its edges lie on the surface of the orginal cube.
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But there are segments that run through the body as well. If we put the cube in the first quadrant, there are $9$ segments from the corners near $(0,0,0)$ to corners near $(1,1,1)$ that just have endpoints on the exterior. Those are the ones we want to count.
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But there are segments that run through the body as well. If we put the cube in the first quadrant, there are $9$ segments from the corners near $(0,0,0)$ to corners near $(1,1,1)$ that just have endpoints on the exterior. Those are the ones we want to count.
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But there are segments that run through the body as well. If we put the cube in the first quadrant, there are $9$ segments from the corners near $(0,0,0)$ to corners near $(1,1,1)$ that just have endpoints on the exterior. Those are the ones we want to count.
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– Ross Millikan
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But there are segments that run through the body as well. If we put the cube in the first quadrant, there are $9$ segments from the corners near $(0,0,0)$ to corners near $(1,1,1)$ that just have endpoints on the exterior. Those are the ones we want to count.
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This is an interesting puzzle. Where does it come from? is this a homework exercise? in what class? What motivates the problem? why are you interested in it? and why should we be interested in it? At the very least, please indicate what you have attempted to do, and perhaps explain what tools (theorems, definitions, etc) you have access to.
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