Can です be used attributively (as a modifier of a noun)?
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Goo dictionary lists the 連体形 (attributive) form of copula as です but does not provide an example of an attributive usage. Can です be really used attributively? I have problems finding any example of it.
copula attributive
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Goo dictionary lists the 連体形 (attributive) form of copula as です but does not provide an example of an attributive usage. Can です be really used attributively? I have problems finding any example of it.
copula attributive
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「です」の連用形っていうと・・「～です+ので」とか？ 「～です+noun」って、なさそうですねぇ‥
– Chocolate♦
19 hours ago
1
Odd really that it can’t be used like that, since 〜ます+noun is fine in formal contexts. 🤔 I don’t think I’ve ever seen 〜であります+noun or 〜でございます+noun, but it feels like they should be possible to use in theory...
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
「中村の弟でございます中村太郎と申します。」って大丈夫ですよね…？「です」にすると文が途中で終わる感じになっちゃいますよね…なんででしょう笑
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
@DariusJahandarie, I think it's because of the way that です is a sort of artificial construct that appeared relatively recently. Although it grew out of でございます and/or であります, it functions differently, more specifically as a kind of 終止形 defective copula that imparts specific register information. ("Defective" in part in that it is analyzable as only functioning as register and not as a copula in [形容詞]いです constructions; hence the invalidity of *[形容詞]いだ.)
– Eiríkr Útlendi
10 hours ago
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Goo dictionary lists the 連体形 (attributive) form of copula as です but does not provide an example of an attributive usage. Can です be really used attributively? I have problems finding any example of it.
copula attributive
asked 20 hours ago
user1602user1602
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Goo dictionary lists the 連体形 (attributive) form of copula as です but does not provide an example of an attributive usage. Can です be really used attributively? I have problems finding any example of it.
copula attributive
copula attributive
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「です」の連用形っていうと・・「～です+ので」とか？ 「～です+noun」って、なさそうですねぇ‥
– Chocolate♦
19 hours ago
1
Odd really that it can’t be used like that, since 〜ます+noun is fine in formal contexts. 🤔 I don’t think I’ve ever seen 〜であります+noun or 〜でございます+noun, but it feels like they should be possible to use in theory...
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
「中村の弟でございます中村太郎と申します。」って大丈夫ですよね…？「です」にすると文が途中で終わる感じになっちゃいますよね…なんででしょう笑
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
@DariusJahandarie, I think it's because of the way that です is a sort of artificial construct that appeared relatively recently. Although it grew out of でございます and/or であります, it functions differently, more specifically as a kind of 終止形 defective copula that imparts specific register information. ("Defective" in part in that it is analyzable as only functioning as register and not as a copula in [形容詞]いです constructions; hence the invalidity of *[形容詞]いだ.)
– Eiríkr Útlendi
10 hours ago
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1
「です」の連用形っていうと・・「～です+ので」とか？ 「～です+noun」って、なさそうですねぇ‥
– Chocolate♦
19 hours ago
1
Odd really that it can’t be used like that, since 〜ます+noun is fine in formal contexts. 🤔 I don’t think I’ve ever seen 〜であります+noun or 〜でございます+noun, but it feels like they should be possible to use in theory...
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
「中村の弟でございます中村太郎と申します。」って大丈夫ですよね…？「です」にすると文が途中で終わる感じになっちゃいますよね…なんででしょう笑
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
@DariusJahandarie, I think it's because of the way that です is a sort of artificial construct that appeared relatively recently. Although it grew out of でございます and/or であります, it functions differently, more specifically as a kind of 終止形 defective copula that imparts specific register information. ("Defective" in part in that it is analyzable as only functioning as register and not as a copula in [形容詞]いです constructions; hence the invalidity of *[形容詞]いだ.)
– Eiríkr Útlendi
10 hours ago
1
1
「です」の連用形っていうと・・「～です+ので」とか？ 「～です+noun」って、なさそうですねぇ‥
– Chocolate♦
19 hours ago
「です」の連用形っていうと・・「～です+ので」とか？ 「～です+noun」って、なさそうですねぇ‥
– Chocolate♦
19 hours ago
1
1
Odd really that it can’t be used like that, since 〜ます+noun is fine in formal contexts. 🤔 I don’t think I’ve ever seen 〜であります+noun or 〜でございます+noun, but it feels like they should be possible to use in theory...
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
Odd really that it can’t be used like that, since 〜ます+noun is fine in formal contexts. 🤔 I don’t think I’ve ever seen 〜であります+noun or 〜でございます+noun, but it feels like they should be possible to use in theory...
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
「中村の弟でございます中村太郎と申します。」って大丈夫ですよね…？「です」にすると文が途中で終わる感じになっちゃいますよね…なんででしょう笑
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
「中村の弟でございます中村太郎と申します。」って大丈夫ですよね…？「です」にすると文が途中で終わる感じになっちゃいますよね…なんででしょう笑
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
@DariusJahandarie, I think it's because of the way that です is a sort of artificial construct that appeared relatively recently. Although it grew out of でございます and/or であります, it functions differently, more specifically as a kind of 終止形 defective copula that imparts specific register information. ("Defective" in part in that it is analyzable as only functioning as register and not as a copula in [形容詞]いです constructions; hence the invalidity of *[形容詞]いだ.)
– Eiríkr Útlendi
10 hours ago
@DariusJahandarie, I think it's because of the way that です is a sort of artificial construct that appeared relatively recently. Although it grew out of でございます and/or であります, it functions differently, more specifically as a kind of 終止形 defective copula that imparts specific register information. ("Defective" in part in that it is analyzable as only functioning as register and not as a copula in [形容詞]いです constructions; hence the invalidity of *[形容詞]いだ.)
– Eiríkr Útlendi
10 hours ago
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According to this page, the attributive です connects to only ので and のに.
上の活用表で連体形の「です」が丸かっこで囲んであります。
これは、連体形の「です」が用いられるのは、助詞の「ので」「のに」が付く場合だけにかぎられるということを意味しています。つまり、連体形であっても、体言（名詞）は付きません。「雨です日」という言い方はしませんね。
It's also possible to say ですこと and ですもの at the end of a sentence, but this こと/もの is usually categorized as a sentence-end particle rather than a noun.
answered 17 hours ago
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I must disagree with that page on one count -- the 連体形 by definition is the form that attaches to a 体言. Since です never attaches to a 体言, by definition, it cannot be the 連体形. である could be, but not です. Considering also the historical development of です, it is kind of an artificial construct that functions a little differently than earlier であります, so this lack of a real 連体形 functionality is not all that surprising. Trying to force です into the full verb-paradigm model is a mistake, in my opinion.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
(To clarify: I have no argument with naruto's post, just with the linked kokugobunpou.com/助動詞/です page. :) )
– Eiríkr Útlendi
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According to this page, the attributive です connects to only ので and のに.
上の活用表で連体形の「です」が丸かっこで囲んであります。
これは、連体形の「です」が用いられるのは、助詞の「ので」「のに」が付く場合だけにかぎられるということを意味しています。つまり、連体形であっても、体言（名詞）は付きません。「雨です日」という言い方はしませんね。
It's also possible to say ですこと and ですもの at the end of a sentence, but this こと/もの is usually categorized as a sentence-end particle rather than a noun.
answered 17 hours ago
narutonaruto
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I must disagree with that page on one count -- the 連体形 by definition is the form that attaches to a 体言. Since です never attaches to a 体言, by definition, it cannot be the 連体形. である could be, but not です. Considering also the historical development of です, it is kind of an artificial construct that functions a little differently than earlier であります, so this lack of a real 連体形 functionality is not all that surprising. Trying to force です into the full verb-paradigm model is a mistake, in my opinion.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
(To clarify: I have no argument with naruto's post, just with the linked kokugobunpou.com/助動詞/です page. :) )
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
add a comment |
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According to this page, the attributive です connects to only ので and のに.
上の活用表で連体形の「です」が丸かっこで囲んであります。
これは、連体形の「です」が用いられるのは、助詞の「ので」「のに」が付く場合だけにかぎられるということを意味しています。つまり、連体形であっても、体言（名詞）は付きません。「雨です日」という言い方はしませんね。
It's also possible to say ですこと and ですもの at the end of a sentence, but this こと/もの is usually categorized as a sentence-end particle rather than a noun.
answered 17 hours ago
narutonaruto
161k8154301
I must disagree with that page on one count -- the 連体形 by definition is the form that attaches to a 体言. Since です never attaches to a 体言, by definition, it cannot be the 連体形. である could be, but not です. Considering also the historical development of です, it is kind of an artificial construct that functions a little differently than earlier であります, so this lack of a real 連体形 functionality is not all that surprising. Trying to force です into the full verb-paradigm model is a mistake, in my opinion.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
(To clarify: I have no argument with naruto's post, just with the linked kokugobunpou.com/助動詞/です page. :) )
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
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According to this page, the attributive です connects to only ので and のに.
上の活用表で連体形の「です」が丸かっこで囲んであります。
これは、連体形の「です」が用いられるのは、助詞の「ので」「のに」が付く場合だけにかぎられるということを意味しています。つまり、連体形であっても、体言（名詞）は付きません。「雨です日」という言い方はしませんね。
It's also possible to say ですこと and ですもの at the end of a sentence, but this こと/もの is usually categorized as a sentence-end particle rather than a noun.
answered 17 hours ago
narutonaruto
161k8154301
According to this page, the attributive です connects to only ので and のに.
上の活用表で連体形の「です」が丸かっこで囲んであります。
これは、連体形の「です」が用いられるのは、助詞の「ので」「のに」が付く場合だけにかぎられるということを意味しています。つまり、連体形であっても、体言（名詞）は付きません。「雨です日」という言い方はしませんね。
It's also possible to say ですこと and ですもの at the end of a sentence, but this こと/もの is usually categorized as a sentence-end particle rather than a noun.
answered 17 hours ago
narutonaruto
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answered 17 hours ago
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answered 17 hours ago
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I must disagree with that page on one count -- the 連体形 by definition is the form that attaches to a 体言. Since です never attaches to a 体言, by definition, it cannot be the 連体形. である could be, but not です. Considering also the historical development of です, it is kind of an artificial construct that functions a little differently than earlier であります, so this lack of a real 連体形 functionality is not all that surprising. Trying to force です into the full verb-paradigm model is a mistake, in my opinion.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
(To clarify: I have no argument with naruto's post, just with the linked kokugobunpou.com/助動詞/です page. :) )
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
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I must disagree with that page on one count -- the 連体形 by definition is the form that attaches to a 体言. Since です never attaches to a 体言, by definition, it cannot be the 連体形. である could be, but not です. Considering also the historical development of です, it is kind of an artificial construct that functions a little differently than earlier であります, so this lack of a real 連体形 functionality is not all that surprising. Trying to force です into the full verb-paradigm model is a mistake, in my opinion.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
(To clarify: I have no argument with naruto's post, just with the linked kokugobunpou.com/助動詞/です page. :) )
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
I must disagree with that page on one count -- the 連体形 by definition is the form that attaches to a 体言. Since です never attaches to a 体言, by definition, it cannot be the 連体形. である could be, but not です. Considering also the historical development of です, it is kind of an artificial construct that functions a little differently than earlier であります, so this lack of a real 連体形 functionality is not all that surprising. Trying to force です into the full verb-paradigm model is a mistake, in my opinion.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
I must disagree with that page on one count -- the 連体形 by definition is the form that attaches to a 体言. Since です never attaches to a 体言, by definition, it cannot be the 連体形. である could be, but not です. Considering also the historical development of です, it is kind of an artificial construct that functions a little differently than earlier であります, so this lack of a real 連体形 functionality is not all that surprising. Trying to force です into the full verb-paradigm model is a mistake, in my opinion.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
(To clarify: I have no argument with naruto's post, just with the linked kokugobunpou.com/助動詞/です page. :) )
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
(To clarify: I have no argument with naruto's post, just with the linked kokugobunpou.com/助動詞/です page. :) )
– Eiríkr Útlendi
11 hours ago
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「です」の連用形っていうと・・「～です+ので」とか？ 「～です+noun」って、なさそうですねぇ‥
– Chocolate♦
19 hours ago
1
Odd really that it can’t be used like that, since 〜ます+noun is fine in formal contexts. 🤔 I don’t think I’ve ever seen 〜であります+noun or 〜でございます+noun, but it feels like they should be possible to use in theory...
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
「中村の弟でございます中村太郎と申します。」って大丈夫ですよね…？「です」にすると文が途中で終わる感じになっちゃいますよね…なんででしょう笑
– Darius Jahandarie
12 hours ago
@DariusJahandarie, I think it's because of the way that です is a sort of artificial construct that appeared relatively recently. Although it grew out of でございます and/or であります, it functions differently, more specifically as a kind of 終止形 defective copula that imparts specific register information. ("Defective" in part in that it is analyzable as only functioning as register and not as a copula in [形容詞]いです constructions; hence the invalidity of *[形容詞]いだ.)
– Eiríkr Útlendi
10 hours ago