How should I phrase a question that must be answered with an ordinal number (e.g., the third prime)?
I want to make a question having an answer as follows:
5 is the third prime number.
The bold part is the answer. How to phrase the question?
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I want to make a question having an answer as follows:
5 is the third prime number.
The bold part is the answer. How to phrase the question?
questions ordinals
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We need a [jeopardy] tag...
– Adam
Mar 7 '11 at 20:00
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An eternal question about English. :-) We all heard this growing up. (There are expressions in our native languages, equivalent to "how many'th" but grammatical, so this was a natural question to ask.)
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 9:32
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If George Washington was the first president, which number is Barack Obama? ... and maybe include instructions on whether to count Grover Cleveland once or twice.
– GEdgar
Mar 17 '14 at 15:24
Umm..I'm afraid I'm not looking at it this way. What if the statement is GW was the 1st president of the United States of America, with emphasis on first?
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:27
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English doesn't have a special question word, nor even a good construction, to ask questions specifically about ordinal numbers (first, second, ..., forty-fourth, ...), the way How many? asks about cardinal numbers. If we had a productive morphology, we could ask "*How manyth President is Barack Obama?" But we don't.
– John Lawler
Mar 17 '14 at 15:38
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I want to make a question having an answer as follows:
5 is the third prime number.
The bold part is the answer. How to phrase the question?
questions ordinals
I want to make a question having an answer as follows:
5 is the third prime number.
The bold part is the answer. How to phrase the question?
questions ordinals
questions ordinals
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We need a [jeopardy] tag...
– Adam
Mar 7 '11 at 20:00
6
An eternal question about English. :-) We all heard this growing up. (There are expressions in our native languages, equivalent to "how many'th" but grammatical, so this was a natural question to ask.)
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 9:32
1
If George Washington was the first president, which number is Barack Obama? ... and maybe include instructions on whether to count Grover Cleveland once or twice.
– GEdgar
Mar 17 '14 at 15:24
Umm..I'm afraid I'm not looking at it this way. What if the statement is GW was the 1st president of the United States of America, with emphasis on first?
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:27
3
English doesn't have a special question word, nor even a good construction, to ask questions specifically about ordinal numbers (first, second, ..., forty-fourth, ...), the way How many? asks about cardinal numbers. If we had a productive morphology, we could ask "*How manyth President is Barack Obama?" But we don't.
– John Lawler
Mar 17 '14 at 15:38
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We need a [jeopardy] tag...
– Adam
Mar 7 '11 at 20:00
6
An eternal question about English. :-) We all heard this growing up. (There are expressions in our native languages, equivalent to "how many'th" but grammatical, so this was a natural question to ask.)
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 9:32
1
If George Washington was the first president, which number is Barack Obama? ... and maybe include instructions on whether to count Grover Cleveland once or twice.
– GEdgar
Mar 17 '14 at 15:24
Umm..I'm afraid I'm not looking at it this way. What if the statement is GW was the 1st president of the United States of America, with emphasis on first?
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:27
3
English doesn't have a special question word, nor even a good construction, to ask questions specifically about ordinal numbers (first, second, ..., forty-fourth, ...), the way How many? asks about cardinal numbers. If we had a productive morphology, we could ask "*How manyth President is Barack Obama?" But we don't.
– John Lawler
Mar 17 '14 at 15:38
3
3
We need a [jeopardy] tag...
– Adam
Mar 7 '11 at 20:00
We need a [jeopardy] tag...
– Adam
Mar 7 '11 at 20:00
6
6
An eternal question about English. :-) We all heard this growing up. (There are expressions in our native languages, equivalent to "how many'th" but grammatical, so this was a natural question to ask.)
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 9:32
An eternal question about English. :-) We all heard this growing up. (There are expressions in our native languages, equivalent to "how many'th" but grammatical, so this was a natural question to ask.)
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 9:32
1
1
If George Washington was the first president, which number is Barack Obama? ... and maybe include instructions on whether to count Grover Cleveland once or twice.
– GEdgar
Mar 17 '14 at 15:24
If George Washington was the first president, which number is Barack Obama? ... and maybe include instructions on whether to count Grover Cleveland once or twice.
– GEdgar
Mar 17 '14 at 15:24
Umm..I'm afraid I'm not looking at it this way. What if the statement is GW was the 1st president of the United States of America, with emphasis on first?
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:27
Umm..I'm afraid I'm not looking at it this way. What if the statement is GW was the 1st president of the United States of America, with emphasis on first?
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:27
3
3
English doesn't have a special question word, nor even a good construction, to ask questions specifically about ordinal numbers (first, second, ..., forty-fourth, ...), the way How many? asks about cardinal numbers. If we had a productive morphology, we could ask "*How manyth President is Barack Obama?" But we don't.
– John Lawler
Mar 17 '14 at 15:38
English doesn't have a special question word, nor even a good construction, to ask questions specifically about ordinal numbers (first, second, ..., forty-fourth, ...), the way How many? asks about cardinal numbers. If we had a productive morphology, we could ask "*How manyth President is Barack Obama?" But we don't.
– John Lawler
Mar 17 '14 at 15:38
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FX's answer is an excellent option (and has my vote).
One other technique that is sometimes used in math or science questions is to give an example response as part of the question:
The number two is the first prime
number. In the sequence of prime
numbers, what is the position of the
number five?
This is particularly effective for a verbal question, where using a variable 'n' may be more confusing than it is in print (depending on the audience). One disadvantage is the relative verbosity of this form, but it is mathematically unambiguous while expressly stating the desired form of the answer.
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Why not simply use the term ordinal directly? For example:
What ordinal number reflects the position of the number five in the set of prime numbers?
or more succinctly:
What is the ordinality of five in the set of prime numbers?
Ordinality might be a bit of a neologism, but the meaning should be clear to anyone familiar with the root, I think.
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Among others, I like this answer most.
– LaTeX
Mar 4 '11 at 0:57
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Strictly correct, but not a very easy question to understand if by people who are not well educated in mathematics. (Most people I know who don't do science for a living will stop listening to what you say at “ordinal number”, and start thinking hard about what it could possibly mean.)
– F'x
Mar 4 '11 at 7:59
Yeah. This is probably the best way to answer the question followed by FX's second suggestion.
– Dark Star1
Mar 9 '11 at 16:58
@F'x Since this is a math question (it is asking about Ordinal and Prime numbers), how can it be inappropriate to expect knowledge of math to be required to answer it correctly? I guess we are broadening the question to the generic, asking how to get an ordinal number as an answer to any question, math related or not? I'm thinking then, that the question should be edited to reflect this. I'd do it, but not being a regular here, though, I'm not sure I should.
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:43
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There is no single, definite, one or two-word answer to that. There is some usage, mostly oral, of constructs like “5 is the how manyth prime number?”, but it is definitely not Standard English.
So, the answer to your question will be to reformulate it. For example, if it were a question to a math test, I would say:
For the sentence “5 is the nth prime number” to be correct, what should be the value of n?
or
5 is the nth prime number. What is the correct value of n?
1
Which one is the correct one?what should be the value of n
orwhat should the value of n be
?
– LaTeX
Feb 22 '11 at 10:21
7
I think both are correct: what should be X? and what should X be? (for X = “the value of n”). However, the longer X is, the clearer the first construct is.
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:26
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Against 20 upvotes, I hesitate to ask, but I wonder how this answer can be correct. The value of n in the examples here would be 5, which is not an ordinal number, and the OP asks for a question form that would require an ordinal number as the answer. No? What am I missing?
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:33
@sarah "nth" converts the cardinaln
to the ordinalnth
.
– March Ho
Oct 20 '15 at 23:22
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Rephrasing slightly, I'd ask: what is the position of 5 in the sequence of prime numbers?
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It can be "What is the rank of 5 in prime number series?"
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You could use sequentially, as in
Sequentially, which prime is 5?
However, the term is not completely unambiguous: "Sequentially, which president was Abraham Lincoln?" could legitimately be answered with "Well, he was the one after James Buchanan and before Andrew Johnson"; similarly, as a prime, five is "preceded by 3 and succeeded by 7".
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I think you could say:
5 is which prime number?
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An my answer would be, "The one before seven."
– Peter Olson
Mar 3 '11 at 17:26
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And I'd say, "Don't be a smartass." :-)
– Hellion
Mar 4 '11 at 4:44
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Without more context, I would not know what form of answer you were looking for.
– luqui
Mar 7 '11 at 7:51
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I agree with luqui. If I saw "5 is which prime number?" without context, I'd probably say "Er… 5 is 5. Which other prime number can it be?"
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 16:38
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This could also be answered by "5 is the happy prime number!" Or any other adjective. Not necessarily indicating the position.
– mikhailcazi
Oct 12 '13 at 11:24
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I would phrase it as:
In a list of prime numbers, in which position does 5 appear?
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What is the position of n in the series of prime numbers?
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Whew, I had to read this a few times
In a list of prime numbers, where is the number 5?
The question is asked the other way around (5 is not the answer, but part of the question).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:15
Also, 5 is the third prime number, starting from 2 (1 is usually not considered prime, and if it is, then 5 is the fourth prime number starting from 1).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:16
Right you are. I had to read the question again
– mplungjan
Feb 22 '11 at 10:17
Jedi you are; in you is the Force.
– kiamlaluno
Mar 8 '11 at 0:43
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In the series of primes described using the following constructs, 2 is the first prime number
and 3 is the second prime number
, what is 5?
Alternatively, "If two is described as 'the first prime number', and three is described as 'the second prime number', how would five be described?"
– supercat
Oct 15 '12 at 17:59
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What is the ordinal status of 5 in the set of prime numbers?
sounds a bit too mathematical, huh?
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In getting an ordinal response from our kids on quizzes we ask "what is the number-[thing]?", pronounced almost as if it were hyphenated "what number-president is G. W. Bush?". In writing I would be very specific, usually with leading example: "In terms of land area Alaska is first; what is Rhode Island?"
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The phrase n...nth is conventionally used for cases like this.
In one sentence, the question can concisely be phrased thus:
For what value of n is five the nth prime number?
If you wanted to use words that are not coined by math, you could use a slightly more ambiguous question:
Which term is five on the series of prime numbers?
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How many prime numbers are less than five? The answer sought will be one greater than the answer given.
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But the answer will not be given in ordinal form.
– dj18
Oct 15 '12 at 13:58
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You could ask "what is the ordinality of George Washington in the series of U.S. Presidents?".
Yup. This is it.
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:45
You could also order a Shirley Temple in a biker bar.
– Spehro Pefhany
Mar 17 '14 at 15:59
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Who is the 44th President of the United States?
Otherwise, the possibilities are infinite.
How many presidents have there been up to the present day, and who is the most recent?
Why is Barack Obama #44 on a list of US Presidents?
You're going to need to narrow down the context.
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The answer nobody gave is because they assume the answer must be given as a sentence. You will want to ask a question that fills in the blank.
The question is usually posed in tests as:
Foo is the ____(st/nd/rd/th) bar.
Either you want the ordinal or you want what the ordinal counts. You can't (effectively) ask for both things without some context. There are many answers to 5 is __. There's only one answer for 5 is the _(st/nd/rd/th) prime number
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The prime number (N) is equal to the sum total of all prime numbers < N. Which prime number is N in the ordinal ranking of primes?
That's if you want to be a bit mean and confusing.
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FX's answer is an excellent option (and has my vote).
One other technique that is sometimes used in math or science questions is to give an example response as part of the question:
The number two is the first prime
number. In the sequence of prime
numbers, what is the position of the
number five?
This is particularly effective for a verbal question, where using a variable 'n' may be more confusing than it is in print (depending on the audience). One disadvantage is the relative verbosity of this form, but it is mathematically unambiguous while expressly stating the desired form of the answer.
add a comment |
FX's answer is an excellent option (and has my vote).
One other technique that is sometimes used in math or science questions is to give an example response as part of the question:
The number two is the first prime
number. In the sequence of prime
numbers, what is the position of the
number five?
This is particularly effective for a verbal question, where using a variable 'n' may be more confusing than it is in print (depending on the audience). One disadvantage is the relative verbosity of this form, but it is mathematically unambiguous while expressly stating the desired form of the answer.
add a comment |
FX's answer is an excellent option (and has my vote).
One other technique that is sometimes used in math or science questions is to give an example response as part of the question:
The number two is the first prime
number. In the sequence of prime
numbers, what is the position of the
number five?
This is particularly effective for a verbal question, where using a variable 'n' may be more confusing than it is in print (depending on the audience). One disadvantage is the relative verbosity of this form, but it is mathematically unambiguous while expressly stating the desired form of the answer.
FX's answer is an excellent option (and has my vote).
One other technique that is sometimes used in math or science questions is to give an example response as part of the question:
The number two is the first prime
number. In the sequence of prime
numbers, what is the position of the
number five?
This is particularly effective for a verbal question, where using a variable 'n' may be more confusing than it is in print (depending on the audience). One disadvantage is the relative verbosity of this form, but it is mathematically unambiguous while expressly stating the desired form of the answer.
answered Mar 3 '11 at 20:06
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Why not simply use the term ordinal directly? For example:
What ordinal number reflects the position of the number five in the set of prime numbers?
or more succinctly:
What is the ordinality of five in the set of prime numbers?
Ordinality might be a bit of a neologism, but the meaning should be clear to anyone familiar with the root, I think.
1
Among others, I like this answer most.
– LaTeX
Mar 4 '11 at 0:57
11
Strictly correct, but not a very easy question to understand if by people who are not well educated in mathematics. (Most people I know who don't do science for a living will stop listening to what you say at “ordinal number”, and start thinking hard about what it could possibly mean.)
– F'x
Mar 4 '11 at 7:59
Yeah. This is probably the best way to answer the question followed by FX's second suggestion.
– Dark Star1
Mar 9 '11 at 16:58
@F'x Since this is a math question (it is asking about Ordinal and Prime numbers), how can it be inappropriate to expect knowledge of math to be required to answer it correctly? I guess we are broadening the question to the generic, asking how to get an ordinal number as an answer to any question, math related or not? I'm thinking then, that the question should be edited to reflect this. I'd do it, but not being a regular here, though, I'm not sure I should.
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:43
add a comment |
Why not simply use the term ordinal directly? For example:
What ordinal number reflects the position of the number five in the set of prime numbers?
or more succinctly:
What is the ordinality of five in the set of prime numbers?
Ordinality might be a bit of a neologism, but the meaning should be clear to anyone familiar with the root, I think.
1
Among others, I like this answer most.
– LaTeX
Mar 4 '11 at 0:57
11
Strictly correct, but not a very easy question to understand if by people who are not well educated in mathematics. (Most people I know who don't do science for a living will stop listening to what you say at “ordinal number”, and start thinking hard about what it could possibly mean.)
– F'x
Mar 4 '11 at 7:59
Yeah. This is probably the best way to answer the question followed by FX's second suggestion.
– Dark Star1
Mar 9 '11 at 16:58
@F'x Since this is a math question (it is asking about Ordinal and Prime numbers), how can it be inappropriate to expect knowledge of math to be required to answer it correctly? I guess we are broadening the question to the generic, asking how to get an ordinal number as an answer to any question, math related or not? I'm thinking then, that the question should be edited to reflect this. I'd do it, but not being a regular here, though, I'm not sure I should.
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:43
add a comment |
Why not simply use the term ordinal directly? For example:
What ordinal number reflects the position of the number five in the set of prime numbers?
or more succinctly:
What is the ordinality of five in the set of prime numbers?
Ordinality might be a bit of a neologism, but the meaning should be clear to anyone familiar with the root, I think.
Why not simply use the term ordinal directly? For example:
What ordinal number reflects the position of the number five in the set of prime numbers?
or more succinctly:
What is the ordinality of five in the set of prime numbers?
Ordinality might be a bit of a neologism, but the meaning should be clear to anyone familiar with the root, I think.
edited Mar 3 '11 at 23:53
answered Mar 3 '11 at 23:43
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Among others, I like this answer most.
– LaTeX
Mar 4 '11 at 0:57
11
Strictly correct, but not a very easy question to understand if by people who are not well educated in mathematics. (Most people I know who don't do science for a living will stop listening to what you say at “ordinal number”, and start thinking hard about what it could possibly mean.)
– F'x
Mar 4 '11 at 7:59
Yeah. This is probably the best way to answer the question followed by FX's second suggestion.
– Dark Star1
Mar 9 '11 at 16:58
@F'x Since this is a math question (it is asking about Ordinal and Prime numbers), how can it be inappropriate to expect knowledge of math to be required to answer it correctly? I guess we are broadening the question to the generic, asking how to get an ordinal number as an answer to any question, math related or not? I'm thinking then, that the question should be edited to reflect this. I'd do it, but not being a regular here, though, I'm not sure I should.
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:43
add a comment |
1
Among others, I like this answer most.
– LaTeX
Mar 4 '11 at 0:57
11
Strictly correct, but not a very easy question to understand if by people who are not well educated in mathematics. (Most people I know who don't do science for a living will stop listening to what you say at “ordinal number”, and start thinking hard about what it could possibly mean.)
– F'x
Mar 4 '11 at 7:59
Yeah. This is probably the best way to answer the question followed by FX's second suggestion.
– Dark Star1
Mar 9 '11 at 16:58
@F'x Since this is a math question (it is asking about Ordinal and Prime numbers), how can it be inappropriate to expect knowledge of math to be required to answer it correctly? I guess we are broadening the question to the generic, asking how to get an ordinal number as an answer to any question, math related or not? I'm thinking then, that the question should be edited to reflect this. I'd do it, but not being a regular here, though, I'm not sure I should.
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:43
1
1
Among others, I like this answer most.
– LaTeX
Mar 4 '11 at 0:57
Among others, I like this answer most.
– LaTeX
Mar 4 '11 at 0:57
11
11
Strictly correct, but not a very easy question to understand if by people who are not well educated in mathematics. (Most people I know who don't do science for a living will stop listening to what you say at “ordinal number”, and start thinking hard about what it could possibly mean.)
– F'x
Mar 4 '11 at 7:59
Strictly correct, but not a very easy question to understand if by people who are not well educated in mathematics. (Most people I know who don't do science for a living will stop listening to what you say at “ordinal number”, and start thinking hard about what it could possibly mean.)
– F'x
Mar 4 '11 at 7:59
Yeah. This is probably the best way to answer the question followed by FX's second suggestion.
– Dark Star1
Mar 9 '11 at 16:58
Yeah. This is probably the best way to answer the question followed by FX's second suggestion.
– Dark Star1
Mar 9 '11 at 16:58
@F'x Since this is a math question (it is asking about Ordinal and Prime numbers), how can it be inappropriate to expect knowledge of math to be required to answer it correctly? I guess we are broadening the question to the generic, asking how to get an ordinal number as an answer to any question, math related or not? I'm thinking then, that the question should be edited to reflect this. I'd do it, but not being a regular here, though, I'm not sure I should.
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:43
@F'x Since this is a math question (it is asking about Ordinal and Prime numbers), how can it be inappropriate to expect knowledge of math to be required to answer it correctly? I guess we are broadening the question to the generic, asking how to get an ordinal number as an answer to any question, math related or not? I'm thinking then, that the question should be edited to reflect this. I'd do it, but not being a regular here, though, I'm not sure I should.
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:43
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There is no single, definite, one or two-word answer to that. There is some usage, mostly oral, of constructs like “5 is the how manyth prime number?”, but it is definitely not Standard English.
So, the answer to your question will be to reformulate it. For example, if it were a question to a math test, I would say:
For the sentence “5 is the nth prime number” to be correct, what should be the value of n?
or
5 is the nth prime number. What is the correct value of n?
1
Which one is the correct one?what should be the value of n
orwhat should the value of n be
?
– LaTeX
Feb 22 '11 at 10:21
7
I think both are correct: what should be X? and what should X be? (for X = “the value of n”). However, the longer X is, the clearer the first construct is.
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:26
1
Against 20 upvotes, I hesitate to ask, but I wonder how this answer can be correct. The value of n in the examples here would be 5, which is not an ordinal number, and the OP asks for a question form that would require an ordinal number as the answer. No? What am I missing?
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:33
@sarah "nth" converts the cardinaln
to the ordinalnth
.
– March Ho
Oct 20 '15 at 23:22
add a comment |
There is no single, definite, one or two-word answer to that. There is some usage, mostly oral, of constructs like “5 is the how manyth prime number?”, but it is definitely not Standard English.
So, the answer to your question will be to reformulate it. For example, if it were a question to a math test, I would say:
For the sentence “5 is the nth prime number” to be correct, what should be the value of n?
or
5 is the nth prime number. What is the correct value of n?
1
Which one is the correct one?what should be the value of n
orwhat should the value of n be
?
– LaTeX
Feb 22 '11 at 10:21
7
I think both are correct: what should be X? and what should X be? (for X = “the value of n”). However, the longer X is, the clearer the first construct is.
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:26
1
Against 20 upvotes, I hesitate to ask, but I wonder how this answer can be correct. The value of n in the examples here would be 5, which is not an ordinal number, and the OP asks for a question form that would require an ordinal number as the answer. No? What am I missing?
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:33
@sarah "nth" converts the cardinaln
to the ordinalnth
.
– March Ho
Oct 20 '15 at 23:22
add a comment |
There is no single, definite, one or two-word answer to that. There is some usage, mostly oral, of constructs like “5 is the how manyth prime number?”, but it is definitely not Standard English.
So, the answer to your question will be to reformulate it. For example, if it were a question to a math test, I would say:
For the sentence “5 is the nth prime number” to be correct, what should be the value of n?
or
5 is the nth prime number. What is the correct value of n?
There is no single, definite, one or two-word answer to that. There is some usage, mostly oral, of constructs like “5 is the how manyth prime number?”, but it is definitely not Standard English.
So, the answer to your question will be to reformulate it. For example, if it were a question to a math test, I would say:
For the sentence “5 is the nth prime number” to be correct, what should be the value of n?
or
5 is the nth prime number. What is the correct value of n?
edited Oct 12 '13 at 11:38
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Which one is the correct one?what should be the value of n
orwhat should the value of n be
?
– LaTeX
Feb 22 '11 at 10:21
7
I think both are correct: what should be X? and what should X be? (for X = “the value of n”). However, the longer X is, the clearer the first construct is.
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:26
1
Against 20 upvotes, I hesitate to ask, but I wonder how this answer can be correct. The value of n in the examples here would be 5, which is not an ordinal number, and the OP asks for a question form that would require an ordinal number as the answer. No? What am I missing?
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:33
@sarah "nth" converts the cardinaln
to the ordinalnth
.
– March Ho
Oct 20 '15 at 23:22
add a comment |
1
Which one is the correct one?what should be the value of n
orwhat should the value of n be
?
– LaTeX
Feb 22 '11 at 10:21
7
I think both are correct: what should be X? and what should X be? (for X = “the value of n”). However, the longer X is, the clearer the first construct is.
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:26
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Against 20 upvotes, I hesitate to ask, but I wonder how this answer can be correct. The value of n in the examples here would be 5, which is not an ordinal number, and the OP asks for a question form that would require an ordinal number as the answer. No? What am I missing?
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:33
@sarah "nth" converts the cardinaln
to the ordinalnth
.
– March Ho
Oct 20 '15 at 23:22
1
1
Which one is the correct one?
what should be the value of n
or what should the value of n be
?– LaTeX
Feb 22 '11 at 10:21
Which one is the correct one?
what should be the value of n
or what should the value of n be
?– LaTeX
Feb 22 '11 at 10:21
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7
I think both are correct: what should be X? and what should X be? (for X = “the value of n”). However, the longer X is, the clearer the first construct is.
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:26
I think both are correct: what should be X? and what should X be? (for X = “the value of n”). However, the longer X is, the clearer the first construct is.
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:26
1
1
Against 20 upvotes, I hesitate to ask, but I wonder how this answer can be correct. The value of n in the examples here would be 5, which is not an ordinal number, and the OP asks for a question form that would require an ordinal number as the answer. No? What am I missing?
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:33
Against 20 upvotes, I hesitate to ask, but I wonder how this answer can be correct. The value of n in the examples here would be 5, which is not an ordinal number, and the OP asks for a question form that would require an ordinal number as the answer. No? What am I missing?
– sarah
Mar 4 '14 at 2:33
@sarah "nth" converts the cardinal
n
to the ordinal nth
.– March Ho
Oct 20 '15 at 23:22
@sarah "nth" converts the cardinal
n
to the ordinal nth
.– March Ho
Oct 20 '15 at 23:22
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Rephrasing slightly, I'd ask: what is the position of 5 in the sequence of prime numbers?
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Rephrasing slightly, I'd ask: what is the position of 5 in the sequence of prime numbers?
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Rephrasing slightly, I'd ask: what is the position of 5 in the sequence of prime numbers?
Rephrasing slightly, I'd ask: what is the position of 5 in the sequence of prime numbers?
answered Mar 4 '11 at 5:30
Geoff CanyonGeoff Canyon
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It can be "What is the rank of 5 in prime number series?"
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It can be "What is the rank of 5 in prime number series?"
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It can be "What is the rank of 5 in prime number series?"
It can be "What is the rank of 5 in prime number series?"
answered Mar 4 '11 at 4:40
Anil SomanAnil Soman
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You could use sequentially, as in
Sequentially, which prime is 5?
However, the term is not completely unambiguous: "Sequentially, which president was Abraham Lincoln?" could legitimately be answered with "Well, he was the one after James Buchanan and before Andrew Johnson"; similarly, as a prime, five is "preceded by 3 and succeeded by 7".
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You could use sequentially, as in
Sequentially, which prime is 5?
However, the term is not completely unambiguous: "Sequentially, which president was Abraham Lincoln?" could legitimately be answered with "Well, he was the one after James Buchanan and before Andrew Johnson"; similarly, as a prime, five is "preceded by 3 and succeeded by 7".
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You could use sequentially, as in
Sequentially, which prime is 5?
However, the term is not completely unambiguous: "Sequentially, which president was Abraham Lincoln?" could legitimately be answered with "Well, he was the one after James Buchanan and before Andrew Johnson"; similarly, as a prime, five is "preceded by 3 and succeeded by 7".
You could use sequentially, as in
Sequentially, which prime is 5?
However, the term is not completely unambiguous: "Sequentially, which president was Abraham Lincoln?" could legitimately be answered with "Well, he was the one after James Buchanan and before Andrew Johnson"; similarly, as a prime, five is "preceded by 3 and succeeded by 7".
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answered Aug 25 '14 at 14:22
Dan BronDan Bron
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I think you could say:
5 is which prime number?
11
An my answer would be, "The one before seven."
– Peter Olson
Mar 3 '11 at 17:26
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And I'd say, "Don't be a smartass." :-)
– Hellion
Mar 4 '11 at 4:44
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Without more context, I would not know what form of answer you were looking for.
– luqui
Mar 7 '11 at 7:51
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I agree with luqui. If I saw "5 is which prime number?" without context, I'd probably say "Er… 5 is 5. Which other prime number can it be?"
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 16:38
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This could also be answered by "5 is the happy prime number!" Or any other adjective. Not necessarily indicating the position.
– mikhailcazi
Oct 12 '13 at 11:24
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I think you could say:
5 is which prime number?
11
An my answer would be, "The one before seven."
– Peter Olson
Mar 3 '11 at 17:26
5
And I'd say, "Don't be a smartass." :-)
– Hellion
Mar 4 '11 at 4:44
9
Without more context, I would not know what form of answer you were looking for.
– luqui
Mar 7 '11 at 7:51
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I agree with luqui. If I saw "5 is which prime number?" without context, I'd probably say "Er… 5 is 5. Which other prime number can it be?"
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 16:38
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This could also be answered by "5 is the happy prime number!" Or any other adjective. Not necessarily indicating the position.
– mikhailcazi
Oct 12 '13 at 11:24
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I think you could say:
5 is which prime number?
I think you could say:
5 is which prime number?
answered Mar 3 '11 at 16:15
HellionHellion
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11
An my answer would be, "The one before seven."
– Peter Olson
Mar 3 '11 at 17:26
5
And I'd say, "Don't be a smartass." :-)
– Hellion
Mar 4 '11 at 4:44
9
Without more context, I would not know what form of answer you were looking for.
– luqui
Mar 7 '11 at 7:51
4
I agree with luqui. If I saw "5 is which prime number?" without context, I'd probably say "Er… 5 is 5. Which other prime number can it be?"
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 16:38
1
This could also be answered by "5 is the happy prime number!" Or any other adjective. Not necessarily indicating the position.
– mikhailcazi
Oct 12 '13 at 11:24
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11
An my answer would be, "The one before seven."
– Peter Olson
Mar 3 '11 at 17:26
5
And I'd say, "Don't be a smartass." :-)
– Hellion
Mar 4 '11 at 4:44
9
Without more context, I would not know what form of answer you were looking for.
– luqui
Mar 7 '11 at 7:51
4
I agree with luqui. If I saw "5 is which prime number?" without context, I'd probably say "Er… 5 is 5. Which other prime number can it be?"
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 16:38
1
This could also be answered by "5 is the happy prime number!" Or any other adjective. Not necessarily indicating the position.
– mikhailcazi
Oct 12 '13 at 11:24
11
11
An my answer would be, "The one before seven."
– Peter Olson
Mar 3 '11 at 17:26
An my answer would be, "The one before seven."
– Peter Olson
Mar 3 '11 at 17:26
5
5
And I'd say, "Don't be a smartass." :-)
– Hellion
Mar 4 '11 at 4:44
And I'd say, "Don't be a smartass." :-)
– Hellion
Mar 4 '11 at 4:44
9
9
Without more context, I would not know what form of answer you were looking for.
– luqui
Mar 7 '11 at 7:51
Without more context, I would not know what form of answer you were looking for.
– luqui
Mar 7 '11 at 7:51
4
4
I agree with luqui. If I saw "5 is which prime number?" without context, I'd probably say "Er… 5 is 5. Which other prime number can it be?"
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 16:38
I agree with luqui. If I saw "5 is which prime number?" without context, I'd probably say "Er… 5 is 5. Which other prime number can it be?"
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 16:38
1
1
This could also be answered by "5 is the happy prime number!" Or any other adjective. Not necessarily indicating the position.
– mikhailcazi
Oct 12 '13 at 11:24
This could also be answered by "5 is the happy prime number!" Or any other adjective. Not necessarily indicating the position.
– mikhailcazi
Oct 12 '13 at 11:24
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I would phrase it as:
In a list of prime numbers, in which position does 5 appear?
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I would phrase it as:
In a list of prime numbers, in which position does 5 appear?
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I would phrase it as:
In a list of prime numbers, in which position does 5 appear?
I would phrase it as:
In a list of prime numbers, in which position does 5 appear?
answered Mar 9 '11 at 15:03
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What is the position of n in the series of prime numbers?
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What is the position of n in the series of prime numbers?
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What is the position of n in the series of prime numbers?
What is the position of n in the series of prime numbers?
answered Mar 9 '11 at 16:34
YitzchakYitzchak
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Whew, I had to read this a few times
In a list of prime numbers, where is the number 5?
The question is asked the other way around (5 is not the answer, but part of the question).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:15
Also, 5 is the third prime number, starting from 2 (1 is usually not considered prime, and if it is, then 5 is the fourth prime number starting from 1).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:16
Right you are. I had to read the question again
– mplungjan
Feb 22 '11 at 10:17
Jedi you are; in you is the Force.
– kiamlaluno
Mar 8 '11 at 0:43
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Whew, I had to read this a few times
In a list of prime numbers, where is the number 5?
The question is asked the other way around (5 is not the answer, but part of the question).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:15
Also, 5 is the third prime number, starting from 2 (1 is usually not considered prime, and if it is, then 5 is the fourth prime number starting from 1).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:16
Right you are. I had to read the question again
– mplungjan
Feb 22 '11 at 10:17
Jedi you are; in you is the Force.
– kiamlaluno
Mar 8 '11 at 0:43
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Whew, I had to read this a few times
In a list of prime numbers, where is the number 5?
Whew, I had to read this a few times
In a list of prime numbers, where is the number 5?
answered Feb 22 '11 at 10:13
mplungjanmplungjan
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The question is asked the other way around (5 is not the answer, but part of the question).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:15
Also, 5 is the third prime number, starting from 2 (1 is usually not considered prime, and if it is, then 5 is the fourth prime number starting from 1).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:16
Right you are. I had to read the question again
– mplungjan
Feb 22 '11 at 10:17
Jedi you are; in you is the Force.
– kiamlaluno
Mar 8 '11 at 0:43
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The question is asked the other way around (5 is not the answer, but part of the question).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:15
Also, 5 is the third prime number, starting from 2 (1 is usually not considered prime, and if it is, then 5 is the fourth prime number starting from 1).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:16
Right you are. I had to read the question again
– mplungjan
Feb 22 '11 at 10:17
Jedi you are; in you is the Force.
– kiamlaluno
Mar 8 '11 at 0:43
The question is asked the other way around (5 is not the answer, but part of the question).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:15
The question is asked the other way around (5 is not the answer, but part of the question).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:15
Also, 5 is the third prime number, starting from 2 (1 is usually not considered prime, and if it is, then 5 is the fourth prime number starting from 1).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:16
Also, 5 is the third prime number, starting from 2 (1 is usually not considered prime, and if it is, then 5 is the fourth prime number starting from 1).
– F'x
Feb 22 '11 at 10:16
Right you are. I had to read the question again
– mplungjan
Feb 22 '11 at 10:17
Right you are. I had to read the question again
– mplungjan
Feb 22 '11 at 10:17
Jedi you are; in you is the Force.
– kiamlaluno
Mar 8 '11 at 0:43
Jedi you are; in you is the Force.
– kiamlaluno
Mar 8 '11 at 0:43
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In the series of primes described using the following constructs, 2 is the first prime number
and 3 is the second prime number
, what is 5?
Alternatively, "If two is described as 'the first prime number', and three is described as 'the second prime number', how would five be described?"
– supercat
Oct 15 '12 at 17:59
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In the series of primes described using the following constructs, 2 is the first prime number
and 3 is the second prime number
, what is 5?
Alternatively, "If two is described as 'the first prime number', and three is described as 'the second prime number', how would five be described?"
– supercat
Oct 15 '12 at 17:59
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In the series of primes described using the following constructs, 2 is the first prime number
and 3 is the second prime number
, what is 5?
In the series of primes described using the following constructs, 2 is the first prime number
and 3 is the second prime number
, what is 5?
answered Mar 7 '11 at 18:25
n0nChunn0nChun
2,15751822
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Alternatively, "If two is described as 'the first prime number', and three is described as 'the second prime number', how would five be described?"
– supercat
Oct 15 '12 at 17:59
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Alternatively, "If two is described as 'the first prime number', and three is described as 'the second prime number', how would five be described?"
– supercat
Oct 15 '12 at 17:59
Alternatively, "If two is described as 'the first prime number', and three is described as 'the second prime number', how would five be described?"
– supercat
Oct 15 '12 at 17:59
Alternatively, "If two is described as 'the first prime number', and three is described as 'the second prime number', how would five be described?"
– supercat
Oct 15 '12 at 17:59
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What is the ordinal status of 5 in the set of prime numbers?
sounds a bit too mathematical, huh?
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What is the ordinal status of 5 in the set of prime numbers?
sounds a bit too mathematical, huh?
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What is the ordinal status of 5 in the set of prime numbers?
sounds a bit too mathematical, huh?
What is the ordinal status of 5 in the set of prime numbers?
sounds a bit too mathematical, huh?
edited Mar 10 '11 at 15:20
F'x
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answered Mar 9 '11 at 17:32
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In getting an ordinal response from our kids on quizzes we ask "what is the number-[thing]?", pronounced almost as if it were hyphenated "what number-president is G. W. Bush?". In writing I would be very specific, usually with leading example: "In terms of land area Alaska is first; what is Rhode Island?"
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In getting an ordinal response from our kids on quizzes we ask "what is the number-[thing]?", pronounced almost as if it were hyphenated "what number-president is G. W. Bush?". In writing I would be very specific, usually with leading example: "In terms of land area Alaska is first; what is Rhode Island?"
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In getting an ordinal response from our kids on quizzes we ask "what is the number-[thing]?", pronounced almost as if it were hyphenated "what number-president is G. W. Bush?". In writing I would be very specific, usually with leading example: "In terms of land area Alaska is first; what is Rhode Island?"
In getting an ordinal response from our kids on quizzes we ask "what is the number-[thing]?", pronounced almost as if it were hyphenated "what number-president is G. W. Bush?". In writing I would be very specific, usually with leading example: "In terms of land area Alaska is first; what is Rhode Island?"
answered Aug 25 '14 at 13:52
CentzonCentzon
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The phrase n...nth is conventionally used for cases like this.
In one sentence, the question can concisely be phrased thus:
For what value of n is five the nth prime number?
If you wanted to use words that are not coined by math, you could use a slightly more ambiguous question:
Which term is five on the series of prime numbers?
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The phrase n...nth is conventionally used for cases like this.
In one sentence, the question can concisely be phrased thus:
For what value of n is five the nth prime number?
If you wanted to use words that are not coined by math, you could use a slightly more ambiguous question:
Which term is five on the series of prime numbers?
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The phrase n...nth is conventionally used for cases like this.
In one sentence, the question can concisely be phrased thus:
For what value of n is five the nth prime number?
If you wanted to use words that are not coined by math, you could use a slightly more ambiguous question:
Which term is five on the series of prime numbers?
The phrase n...nth is conventionally used for cases like this.
In one sentence, the question can concisely be phrased thus:
For what value of n is five the nth prime number?
If you wanted to use words that are not coined by math, you could use a slightly more ambiguous question:
Which term is five on the series of prime numbers?
answered Mar 3 '11 at 16:14
Peter OlsonPeter Olson
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How many prime numbers are less than five? The answer sought will be one greater than the answer given.
1
But the answer will not be given in ordinal form.
– dj18
Oct 15 '12 at 13:58
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How many prime numbers are less than five? The answer sought will be one greater than the answer given.
1
But the answer will not be given in ordinal form.
– dj18
Oct 15 '12 at 13:58
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How many prime numbers are less than five? The answer sought will be one greater than the answer given.
How many prime numbers are less than five? The answer sought will be one greater than the answer given.
answered Mar 7 '11 at 19:11
supercatsupercat
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But the answer will not be given in ordinal form.
– dj18
Oct 15 '12 at 13:58
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But the answer will not be given in ordinal form.
– dj18
Oct 15 '12 at 13:58
1
1
But the answer will not be given in ordinal form.
– dj18
Oct 15 '12 at 13:58
But the answer will not be given in ordinal form.
– dj18
Oct 15 '12 at 13:58
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You could ask "what is the ordinality of George Washington in the series of U.S. Presidents?".
Yup. This is it.
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:45
You could also order a Shirley Temple in a biker bar.
– Spehro Pefhany
Mar 17 '14 at 15:59
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You could ask "what is the ordinality of George Washington in the series of U.S. Presidents?".
Yup. This is it.
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:45
You could also order a Shirley Temple in a biker bar.
– Spehro Pefhany
Mar 17 '14 at 15:59
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You could ask "what is the ordinality of George Washington in the series of U.S. Presidents?".
You could ask "what is the ordinality of George Washington in the series of U.S. Presidents?".
answered Mar 17 '14 at 15:35
Spehro PefhanySpehro Pefhany
8,43312142
8,43312142
Yup. This is it.
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:45
You could also order a Shirley Temple in a biker bar.
– Spehro Pefhany
Mar 17 '14 at 15:59
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Yup. This is it.
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:45
You could also order a Shirley Temple in a biker bar.
– Spehro Pefhany
Mar 17 '14 at 15:59
Yup. This is it.
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:45
Yup. This is it.
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:45
You could also order a Shirley Temple in a biker bar.
– Spehro Pefhany
Mar 17 '14 at 15:59
You could also order a Shirley Temple in a biker bar.
– Spehro Pefhany
Mar 17 '14 at 15:59
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Who is the 44th President of the United States?
Otherwise, the possibilities are infinite.
How many presidents have there been up to the present day, and who is the most recent?
Why is Barack Obama #44 on a list of US Presidents?
You're going to need to narrow down the context.
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Who is the 44th President of the United States?
Otherwise, the possibilities are infinite.
How many presidents have there been up to the present day, and who is the most recent?
Why is Barack Obama #44 on a list of US Presidents?
You're going to need to narrow down the context.
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Who is the 44th President of the United States?
Otherwise, the possibilities are infinite.
How many presidents have there been up to the present day, and who is the most recent?
Why is Barack Obama #44 on a list of US Presidents?
You're going to need to narrow down the context.
Who is the 44th President of the United States?
Otherwise, the possibilities are infinite.
How many presidents have there been up to the present day, and who is the most recent?
Why is Barack Obama #44 on a list of US Presidents?
You're going to need to narrow down the context.
answered Mar 17 '14 at 15:36
David MDavid M
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The answer nobody gave is because they assume the answer must be given as a sentence. You will want to ask a question that fills in the blank.
The question is usually posed in tests as:
Foo is the ____(st/nd/rd/th) bar.
Either you want the ordinal or you want what the ordinal counts. You can't (effectively) ask for both things without some context. There are many answers to 5 is __. There's only one answer for 5 is the _(st/nd/rd/th) prime number
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The answer nobody gave is because they assume the answer must be given as a sentence. You will want to ask a question that fills in the blank.
The question is usually posed in tests as:
Foo is the ____(st/nd/rd/th) bar.
Either you want the ordinal or you want what the ordinal counts. You can't (effectively) ask for both things without some context. There are many answers to 5 is __. There's only one answer for 5 is the _(st/nd/rd/th) prime number
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The answer nobody gave is because they assume the answer must be given as a sentence. You will want to ask a question that fills in the blank.
The question is usually posed in tests as:
Foo is the ____(st/nd/rd/th) bar.
Either you want the ordinal or you want what the ordinal counts. You can't (effectively) ask for both things without some context. There are many answers to 5 is __. There's only one answer for 5 is the _(st/nd/rd/th) prime number
The answer nobody gave is because they assume the answer must be given as a sentence. You will want to ask a question that fills in the blank.
The question is usually posed in tests as:
Foo is the ____(st/nd/rd/th) bar.
Either you want the ordinal or you want what the ordinal counts. You can't (effectively) ask for both things without some context. There are many answers to 5 is __. There's only one answer for 5 is the _(st/nd/rd/th) prime number
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SrJovenSrJoven
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The prime number (N) is equal to the sum total of all prime numbers < N. Which prime number is N in the ordinal ranking of primes?
That's if you want to be a bit mean and confusing.
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The prime number (N) is equal to the sum total of all prime numbers < N. Which prime number is N in the ordinal ranking of primes?
That's if you want to be a bit mean and confusing.
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The prime number (N) is equal to the sum total of all prime numbers < N. Which prime number is N in the ordinal ranking of primes?
That's if you want to be a bit mean and confusing.
The prime number (N) is equal to the sum total of all prime numbers < N. Which prime number is N in the ordinal ranking of primes?
That's if you want to be a bit mean and confusing.
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answered Nov 14 '15 at 7:57
MisneacMisneac
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We need a [jeopardy] tag...
– Adam
Mar 7 '11 at 20:00
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An eternal question about English. :-) We all heard this growing up. (There are expressions in our native languages, equivalent to "how many'th" but grammatical, so this was a natural question to ask.)
– ShreevatsaR
Mar 8 '11 at 9:32
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If George Washington was the first president, which number is Barack Obama? ... and maybe include instructions on whether to count Grover Cleveland once or twice.
– GEdgar
Mar 17 '14 at 15:24
Umm..I'm afraid I'm not looking at it this way. What if the statement is GW was the 1st president of the United States of America, with emphasis on first?
– codegasm
Mar 17 '14 at 15:27
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English doesn't have a special question word, nor even a good construction, to ask questions specifically about ordinal numbers (first, second, ..., forty-fourth, ...), the way How many? asks about cardinal numbers. If we had a productive morphology, we could ask "*How manyth President is Barack Obama?" But we don't.
– John Lawler
Mar 17 '14 at 15:38