Different between future prefect vs simple future + until
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what's different in meaning between these two sentences?
- The decorator will have painted the wall by Thursday.
- The decorator will paint the wall until Thursday.
Does the second sentence mean the decorator will finish painting exactly before Thursday start or it could finish before for example in Wednesday like Future Prefect Tense.
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what's different in meaning between these two sentences?
- The decorator will have painted the wall by Thursday.
- The decorator will paint the wall until Thursday.
Does the second sentence mean the decorator will finish painting exactly before Thursday start or it could finish before for example in Wednesday like Future Prefect Tense.
future future-perfect
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The second sentence makes it sound like the decorator will, without break, continue to paint the wall until Thursday morning.
– Freddie R
Oct 22 at 12:34
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what's different in meaning between these two sentences?
- The decorator will have painted the wall by Thursday.
- The decorator will paint the wall until Thursday.
Does the second sentence mean the decorator will finish painting exactly before Thursday start or it could finish before for example in Wednesday like Future Prefect Tense.
future future-perfect
asked Oct 22 at 11:35
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what's different in meaning between these two sentences?
- The decorator will have painted the wall by Thursday.
- The decorator will paint the wall until Thursday.
Does the second sentence mean the decorator will finish painting exactly before Thursday start or it could finish before for example in Wednesday like Future Prefect Tense.
future future-perfect
future future-perfect
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asked Oct 22 at 11:35
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asked Oct 22 at 11:35
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asked Oct 22 at 11:35
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The second sentence makes it sound like the decorator will, without break, continue to paint the wall until Thursday morning.
– Freddie R
Oct 22 at 12:34
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The second sentence makes it sound like the decorator will, without break, continue to paint the wall until Thursday morning.
– Freddie R
Oct 22 at 12:34
The second sentence makes it sound like the decorator will, without break, continue to paint the wall until Thursday morning.
– Freddie R
Oct 22 at 12:34
The second sentence makes it sound like the decorator will, without break, continue to paint the wall until Thursday morning.
– Freddie R
Oct 22 at 12:34
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Sentence #1 means that on Thursday, we can expect the work of painting the wall to be completed, regardless of the exact time at which the decorator stopped.
Sentence #2 means that the decorator will be painting until Thursday and then stop, with no indication either way on whether the work will actually be "finished" at that point.
Both sentences have a degree of ambiguity on whether Thursday is included in the scope of the work - see this question on ELL about inclusive/exclusive "until", and this one on "by" when used with dates.
answered Oct 22 at 11:52
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The essential difference is:
The perfect tense defines a time space between Now and Thursday, and then states that the main action will complete before the end of the period. Whether this finish time of the period and hence the painting includes part of Thursday is not defined, so the painter could still be painting on Thursday morning. It also does not define anything about whether then painting will be done in one long chunk or in stages, it is only the conclusion of the action before the finish that is important.
The simple tense merely states that the action will take place, and then states that this period starts Now (will) and completes sometime on Thursday (until), with the proviso that 'until' implies that the poor painter will continue painting 24 hours a day.
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Sentence #1 means that on Thursday, we can expect the work of painting the wall to be completed, regardless of the exact time at which the decorator stopped.
Sentence #2 means that the decorator will be painting until Thursday and then stop, with no indication either way on whether the work will actually be "finished" at that point.
Both sentences have a degree of ambiguity on whether Thursday is included in the scope of the work - see this question on ELL about inclusive/exclusive "until", and this one on "by" when used with dates.
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Sentence #1 means that on Thursday, we can expect the work of painting the wall to be completed, regardless of the exact time at which the decorator stopped.
Sentence #2 means that the decorator will be painting until Thursday and then stop, with no indication either way on whether the work will actually be "finished" at that point.
Both sentences have a degree of ambiguity on whether Thursday is included in the scope of the work - see this question on ELL about inclusive/exclusive "until", and this one on "by" when used with dates.
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Sentence #1 means that on Thursday, we can expect the work of painting the wall to be completed, regardless of the exact time at which the decorator stopped.
Sentence #2 means that the decorator will be painting until Thursday and then stop, with no indication either way on whether the work will actually be "finished" at that point.
Both sentences have a degree of ambiguity on whether Thursday is included in the scope of the work - see this question on ELL about inclusive/exclusive "until", and this one on "by" when used with dates.
answered Oct 22 at 11:52
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Sentence #1 means that on Thursday, we can expect the work of painting the wall to be completed, regardless of the exact time at which the decorator stopped.
Sentence #2 means that the decorator will be painting until Thursday and then stop, with no indication either way on whether the work will actually be "finished" at that point.
Both sentences have a degree of ambiguity on whether Thursday is included in the scope of the work - see this question on ELL about inclusive/exclusive "until", and this one on "by" when used with dates.
answered Oct 22 at 11:52
Alan T.
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answered Oct 22 at 11:52
Alan T.
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answered Oct 22 at 11:52
Alan T.
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answered Oct 22 at 11:52
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The essential difference is:
The perfect tense defines a time space between Now and Thursday, and then states that the main action will complete before the end of the period. Whether this finish time of the period and hence the painting includes part of Thursday is not defined, so the painter could still be painting on Thursday morning. It also does not define anything about whether then painting will be done in one long chunk or in stages, it is only the conclusion of the action before the finish that is important.
The simple tense merely states that the action will take place, and then states that this period starts Now (will) and completes sometime on Thursday (until), with the proviso that 'until' implies that the poor painter will continue painting 24 hours a day.
answered Oct 22 at 11:57
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The essential difference is:
The perfect tense defines a time space between Now and Thursday, and then states that the main action will complete before the end of the period. Whether this finish time of the period and hence the painting includes part of Thursday is not defined, so the painter could still be painting on Thursday morning. It also does not define anything about whether then painting will be done in one long chunk or in stages, it is only the conclusion of the action before the finish that is important.
The simple tense merely states that the action will take place, and then states that this period starts Now (will) and completes sometime on Thursday (until), with the proviso that 'until' implies that the poor painter will continue painting 24 hours a day.
answered Oct 22 at 11:57
Trevor Christopher Butcher
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The essential difference is:
The perfect tense defines a time space between Now and Thursday, and then states that the main action will complete before the end of the period. Whether this finish time of the period and hence the painting includes part of Thursday is not defined, so the painter could still be painting on Thursday morning. It also does not define anything about whether then painting will be done in one long chunk or in stages, it is only the conclusion of the action before the finish that is important.
The simple tense merely states that the action will take place, and then states that this period starts Now (will) and completes sometime on Thursday (until), with the proviso that 'until' implies that the poor painter will continue painting 24 hours a day.
answered Oct 22 at 11:57
Trevor Christopher Butcher
1,547312
The essential difference is:
The perfect tense defines a time space between Now and Thursday, and then states that the main action will complete before the end of the period. Whether this finish time of the period and hence the painting includes part of Thursday is not defined, so the painter could still be painting on Thursday morning. It also does not define anything about whether then painting will be done in one long chunk or in stages, it is only the conclusion of the action before the finish that is important.
The simple tense merely states that the action will take place, and then states that this period starts Now (will) and completes sometime on Thursday (until), with the proviso that 'until' implies that the poor painter will continue painting 24 hours a day.
answered Oct 22 at 11:57
Trevor Christopher Butcher
1,547312
answered Oct 22 at 11:57
Trevor Christopher Butcher
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answered Oct 22 at 11:57
Trevor Christopher Butcher
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answered Oct 22 at 11:57
Trevor Christopher Butcher
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The second sentence makes it sound like the decorator will, without break, continue to paint the wall until Thursday morning.
– Freddie R
Oct 22 at 12:34