Decisive Strike and secondary attacks
If my Warforged Monk has the Jaws of Death feat (provides a secondary natural weapon), can I use it after Decisive Strike?
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If my Warforged Monk has the Jaws of Death feat (provides a secondary natural weapon), can I use it after Decisive Strike?
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If my Warforged Monk has the Jaws of Death feat (provides a secondary natural weapon), can I use it after Decisive Strike?
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If my Warforged Monk has the Jaws of Death feat (provides a secondary natural weapon), can I use it after Decisive Strike?
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Natural attacks typically can't be used with a decisive strike
The alternative class feature decisive strike begins by saying, "As a full-round action, make one attack with an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon…" (Player's Handbook II 51 and emphasis mine), and this makes using it a new and unique full-round action. This means that the decisive strike's phrasing disallows its use in conjunction with typical natural attacks like a bite or gore. A typical creature can no more also make natural attacks when making a decisive strike than it can make natural attacks when casting a spell with casting time of 1 full round.
Compare the alternative class feature decisive strike to the typical monk ability that decisive strike replaces, the extraordinary ability flurry of blows (Player's Handbook 40) that, to employ it, only mandates that the monk take the action full attack (143). Anything the monk can do during a full attack—like also making attacks with typical natural weapons—can be done when making a flurry of blows.
However, this isn't to say that a DM should in his own campaigns continue to disallow natural attacks in conjunction with the alternative class feature decisive strike. In many campaigns, monks need all the help they can get, and a house rule that changes decisive strike to a full attack might be just the thing that sees the monk pull his weight alongside his fighter and samurai compatriots.
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It’s probably worth noting that decisive strike explicitly says the one attack it does let you make has to be unarmed or with a monk weapon
– KRyan
2 days ago
@KRyan Added. Thanks.
– Hey I Can Chan
2 days ago
@KRyan this part was clear
– András
2 days ago
@András Sure, I get it wasn’t what was confusing you, but the lack of it made the answer a bit confusing to read without PHB2 open in front of me.
– KRyan
2 days ago
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Natural attacks typically can't be used with a decisive strike
The alternative class feature decisive strike begins by saying, "As a full-round action, make one attack with an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon…" (Player's Handbook II 51 and emphasis mine), and this makes using it a new and unique full-round action. This means that the decisive strike's phrasing disallows its use in conjunction with typical natural attacks like a bite or gore. A typical creature can no more also make natural attacks when making a decisive strike than it can make natural attacks when casting a spell with casting time of 1 full round.
Compare the alternative class feature decisive strike to the typical monk ability that decisive strike replaces, the extraordinary ability flurry of blows (Player's Handbook 40) that, to employ it, only mandates that the monk take the action full attack (143). Anything the monk can do during a full attack—like also making attacks with typical natural weapons—can be done when making a flurry of blows.
However, this isn't to say that a DM should in his own campaigns continue to disallow natural attacks in conjunction with the alternative class feature decisive strike. In many campaigns, monks need all the help they can get, and a house rule that changes decisive strike to a full attack might be just the thing that sees the monk pull his weight alongside his fighter and samurai compatriots.
answered 2 days ago
Hey I Can Chan
141k12250604
It’s probably worth noting that decisive strike explicitly says the one attack it does let you make has to be unarmed or with a monk weapon
– KRyan
2 days ago
@KRyan Added. Thanks.
– Hey I Can Chan
2 days ago
@KRyan this part was clear
– András
2 days ago
@András Sure, I get it wasn’t what was confusing you, but the lack of it made the answer a bit confusing to read without PHB2 open in front of me.
– KRyan
2 days ago
add a comment |
Natural attacks typically can't be used with a decisive strike
The alternative class feature decisive strike begins by saying, "As a full-round action, make one attack with an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon…" (Player's Handbook II 51 and emphasis mine), and this makes using it a new and unique full-round action. This means that the decisive strike's phrasing disallows its use in conjunction with typical natural attacks like a bite or gore. A typical creature can no more also make natural attacks when making a decisive strike than it can make natural attacks when casting a spell with casting time of 1 full round.
Compare the alternative class feature decisive strike to the typical monk ability that decisive strike replaces, the extraordinary ability flurry of blows (Player's Handbook 40) that, to employ it, only mandates that the monk take the action full attack (143). Anything the monk can do during a full attack—like also making attacks with typical natural weapons—can be done when making a flurry of blows.
However, this isn't to say that a DM should in his own campaigns continue to disallow natural attacks in conjunction with the alternative class feature decisive strike. In many campaigns, monks need all the help they can get, and a house rule that changes decisive strike to a full attack might be just the thing that sees the monk pull his weight alongside his fighter and samurai compatriots.
answered 2 days ago
Hey I Can Chan
141k12250604
It’s probably worth noting that decisive strike explicitly says the one attack it does let you make has to be unarmed or with a monk weapon
– KRyan
2 days ago
@KRyan Added. Thanks.
– Hey I Can Chan
2 days ago
@KRyan this part was clear
– András
2 days ago
@András Sure, I get it wasn’t what was confusing you, but the lack of it made the answer a bit confusing to read without PHB2 open in front of me.
– KRyan
2 days ago
add a comment |
Natural attacks typically can't be used with a decisive strike
The alternative class feature decisive strike begins by saying, "As a full-round action, make one attack with an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon…" (Player's Handbook II 51 and emphasis mine), and this makes using it a new and unique full-round action. This means that the decisive strike's phrasing disallows its use in conjunction with typical natural attacks like a bite or gore. A typical creature can no more also make natural attacks when making a decisive strike than it can make natural attacks when casting a spell with casting time of 1 full round.
Compare the alternative class feature decisive strike to the typical monk ability that decisive strike replaces, the extraordinary ability flurry of blows (Player's Handbook 40) that, to employ it, only mandates that the monk take the action full attack (143). Anything the monk can do during a full attack—like also making attacks with typical natural weapons—can be done when making a flurry of blows.
However, this isn't to say that a DM should in his own campaigns continue to disallow natural attacks in conjunction with the alternative class feature decisive strike. In many campaigns, monks need all the help they can get, and a house rule that changes decisive strike to a full attack might be just the thing that sees the monk pull his weight alongside his fighter and samurai compatriots.
answered 2 days ago
Hey I Can Chan
141k12250604
Natural attacks typically can't be used with a decisive strike
The alternative class feature decisive strike begins by saying, "As a full-round action, make one attack with an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon…" (Player's Handbook II 51 and emphasis mine), and this makes using it a new and unique full-round action. This means that the decisive strike's phrasing disallows its use in conjunction with typical natural attacks like a bite or gore. A typical creature can no more also make natural attacks when making a decisive strike than it can make natural attacks when casting a spell with casting time of 1 full round.
Compare the alternative class feature decisive strike to the typical monk ability that decisive strike replaces, the extraordinary ability flurry of blows (Player's Handbook 40) that, to employ it, only mandates that the monk take the action full attack (143). Anything the monk can do during a full attack—like also making attacks with typical natural weapons—can be done when making a flurry of blows.
However, this isn't to say that a DM should in his own campaigns continue to disallow natural attacks in conjunction with the alternative class feature decisive strike. In many campaigns, monks need all the help they can get, and a house rule that changes decisive strike to a full attack might be just the thing that sees the monk pull his weight alongside his fighter and samurai compatriots.
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It’s probably worth noting that decisive strike explicitly says the one attack it does let you make has to be unarmed or with a monk weapon
– KRyan
2 days ago
@KRyan Added. Thanks.
– Hey I Can Chan
2 days ago
@KRyan this part was clear
– András
2 days ago
@András Sure, I get it wasn’t what was confusing you, but the lack of it made the answer a bit confusing to read without PHB2 open in front of me.
– KRyan
2 days ago
add a comment |
It’s probably worth noting that decisive strike explicitly says the one attack it does let you make has to be unarmed or with a monk weapon
– KRyan
2 days ago
@KRyan Added. Thanks.
– Hey I Can Chan
2 days ago
@KRyan this part was clear
– András
2 days ago
@András Sure, I get it wasn’t what was confusing you, but the lack of it made the answer a bit confusing to read without PHB2 open in front of me.
– KRyan
2 days ago
It’s probably worth noting that decisive strike explicitly says the one attack it does let you make has to be unarmed or with a monk weapon
– KRyan
2 days ago
It’s probably worth noting that decisive strike explicitly says the one attack it does let you make has to be unarmed or with a monk weapon
– KRyan
2 days ago
@KRyan Added. Thanks.
– Hey I Can Chan
2 days ago
@KRyan Added. Thanks.
– Hey I Can Chan
2 days ago
@KRyan this part was clear
– András
2 days ago
@KRyan this part was clear
– András
2 days ago
@András Sure, I get it wasn’t what was confusing you, but the lack of it made the answer a bit confusing to read without PHB2 open in front of me.
– KRyan
2 days ago
@András Sure, I get it wasn’t what was confusing you, but the lack of it made the answer a bit confusing to read without PHB2 open in front of me.
– KRyan
2 days ago
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