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I am looking for ideals $Isubset mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ with the following properties:





  1. $I$ is generated by two homogeneous elements;


  2. $I$ is invariant under the $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$-action on $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ (given by extending the action on the two dimensional sub vector space spanned by $x,y$).;

  3. The quotient $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]/I$ is finite.


So far the only examples I know are $(x^n,y^n)$ and $(x^3,x^2+xy+y^2)$. The quotient $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]/(x^3,x^2+xy+y^2)$ is the cohomology ring $H^*(S^3/Q_8;mathbb{F}_2)$ for the standard action of the quaternion group on the three sphere.



Are these the only examples. Is it possible to classify all such ideals ?



Edit: Of course $(x^n,y^n)$ is only invariant when $n$ is a power of two (since $xmapsto x, ymapsto x+y$ is also an automorphism). So we have even fewer examples.










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    The ideal $(x^n,y^n)$ is invariant iff $n$ is a power of 2, isn't it?
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    Hi, why is $x^3,y^3$ invariant?
    – Hailong Dao
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:20










  • Yes indeed. Thanks to you both. I mixed up things quite a lot. I was also thinking about this question only with the action that flips $x$ and $y$ and not the entire $sl_2$-action. Then I mixed things up sorry.
    – HenrikRüping
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:32










  • Sorry. Corrected. Thanks.
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I am looking for ideals $Isubset mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ with the following properties:





  1. $I$ is generated by two homogeneous elements;


  2. $I$ is invariant under the $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$-action on $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ (given by extending the action on the two dimensional sub vector space spanned by $x,y$).;

  3. The quotient $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]/I$ is finite.


So far the only examples I know are $(x^n,y^n)$ and $(x^3,x^2+xy+y^2)$. The quotient $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]/(x^3,x^2+xy+y^2)$ is the cohomology ring $H^*(S^3/Q_8;mathbb{F}_2)$ for the standard action of the quaternion group on the three sphere.



Are these the only examples. Is it possible to classify all such ideals ?



Edit: Of course $(x^n,y^n)$ is only invariant when $n$ is a power of two (since $xmapsto x, ymapsto x+y$ is also an automorphism). So we have even fewer examples.










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    The ideal $(x^n,y^n)$ is invariant iff $n$ is a power of 2, isn't it?
    – YCor
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:20








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    Hi, why is $x^3,y^3$ invariant?
    – Hailong Dao
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:20










  • Yes indeed. Thanks to you both. I mixed up things quite a lot. I was also thinking about this question only with the action that flips $x$ and $y$ and not the entire $sl_2$-action. Then I mixed things up sorry.
    – HenrikRüping
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:32










  • Sorry. Corrected. Thanks.
    – HenrikRüping
    Dec 15 '18 at 23:29














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I am looking for ideals $Isubset mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ with the following properties:





  1. $I$ is generated by two homogeneous elements;


  2. $I$ is invariant under the $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$-action on $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ (given by extending the action on the two dimensional sub vector space spanned by $x,y$).;

  3. The quotient $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]/I$ is finite.


So far the only examples I know are $(x^n,y^n)$ and $(x^3,x^2+xy+y^2)$. The quotient $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]/(x^3,x^2+xy+y^2)$ is the cohomology ring $H^*(S^3/Q_8;mathbb{F}_2)$ for the standard action of the quaternion group on the three sphere.



Are these the only examples. Is it possible to classify all such ideals ?



Edit: Of course $(x^n,y^n)$ is only invariant when $n$ is a power of two (since $xmapsto x, ymapsto x+y$ is also an automorphism). So we have even fewer examples.










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I am looking for ideals $Isubset mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ with the following properties:





  1. $I$ is generated by two homogeneous elements;


  2. $I$ is invariant under the $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$-action on $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ (given by extending the action on the two dimensional sub vector space spanned by $x,y$).;

  3. The quotient $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]/I$ is finite.


So far the only examples I know are $(x^n,y^n)$ and $(x^3,x^2+xy+y^2)$. The quotient $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]/(x^3,x^2+xy+y^2)$ is the cohomology ring $H^*(S^3/Q_8;mathbb{F}_2)$ for the standard action of the quaternion group on the three sphere.



Are these the only examples. Is it possible to classify all such ideals ?



Edit: Of course $(x^n,y^n)$ is only invariant when $n$ is a power of two (since $xmapsto x, ymapsto x+y$ is also an automorphism). So we have even fewer examples.







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    The ideal $(x^n,y^n)$ is invariant iff $n$ is a power of 2, isn't it?
    – YCor
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:20








  • 1




    Hi, why is $x^3,y^3$ invariant?
    – Hailong Dao
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:20










  • Yes indeed. Thanks to you both. I mixed up things quite a lot. I was also thinking about this question only with the action that flips $x$ and $y$ and not the entire $sl_2$-action. Then I mixed things up sorry.
    – HenrikRüping
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:32










  • Sorry. Corrected. Thanks.
    – HenrikRüping
    Dec 15 '18 at 23:29














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    The ideal $(x^n,y^n)$ is invariant iff $n$ is a power of 2, isn't it?
    – YCor
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:20








  • 1




    Hi, why is $x^3,y^3$ invariant?
    – Hailong Dao
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:20










  • Yes indeed. Thanks to you both. I mixed up things quite a lot. I was also thinking about this question only with the action that flips $x$ and $y$ and not the entire $sl_2$-action. Then I mixed things up sorry.
    – HenrikRüping
    Dec 15 '18 at 16:32










  • Sorry. Corrected. Thanks.
    – HenrikRüping
    Dec 15 '18 at 23:29








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The ideal $(x^n,y^n)$ is invariant iff $n$ is a power of 2, isn't it?
– YCor
Dec 15 '18 at 16:20






The ideal $(x^n,y^n)$ is invariant iff $n$ is a power of 2, isn't it?
– YCor
Dec 15 '18 at 16:20






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Hi, why is $x^3,y^3$ invariant?
– Hailong Dao
Dec 15 '18 at 16:20




Hi, why is $x^3,y^3$ invariant?
– Hailong Dao
Dec 15 '18 at 16:20












Yes indeed. Thanks to you both. I mixed up things quite a lot. I was also thinking about this question only with the action that flips $x$ and $y$ and not the entire $sl_2$-action. Then I mixed things up sorry.
– HenrikRüping
Dec 15 '18 at 16:32




Yes indeed. Thanks to you both. I mixed up things quite a lot. I was also thinking about this question only with the action that flips $x$ and $y$ and not the entire $sl_2$-action. Then I mixed things up sorry.
– HenrikRüping
Dec 15 '18 at 16:32












Sorry. Corrected. Thanks.
– HenrikRüping
Dec 15 '18 at 23:29




Sorry. Corrected. Thanks.
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There are tons of examples. Put $u = x^2+xy+y^2$ and $v = xy(x+y)$. Then $u$ and $v$ are $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$ invariant. If $f(s,t)$ and $g(s,t)$ are homogenous polynomials with respect to the grading $deg s = 2$, $deg t=3$, then $langle f(u,v), g(u,v) rangle$ is a $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$-invariant generated in the manner you describe. I claim that, furthermore, if $mathbb{F}_2[s,t]/langle f, g rangle$ is finite then so is $mathbb{F}_2[x,y] / langle f(u,v), g(u,v) rangle$.



For this claim, we just need to show that $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ is module finite over $mathbb{F}_2[u,v]$. It is enough to show that the generators $x$ and $y$ are integral over $mathbb{F}_2[u,v]$. Indeed, they are both roots of the monic polynomial
$$z^3 + u z + v.$$
(I found $u$ and $v$ by multiplying out the polynomial $(z+x)(z+y)(z+x+y)$.)






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    One can see that $I=(f_1,dots, f_s)$ is $G$-invariant iff $alphacdot f_i in I$ for each $alpha in G$ and $i$. From this one can prove easily that if $I,J$ are $G$-invariant, then so is $IJ$ and $I+J$. Thus, for example, $(x,y)^n$ are invariant for all $ngeq 0$. One also have that $I=(x^{2^k}, y^{2^k})$ is invariant as pointed out by YCor. So you can generate many other examples. A complete classification seems difficult though.



    For the case of two-generated ideals, one could use the above remark and the fact that "Frobenius commutes with linear change of variables" to show:



    1) If $I=(f,g)$ is invariant then $J= (f^{2^k}, g^{2^k})$ is invariant.



    2) If $I=(f,g)$ is invariant and $deg(f)> deg(g)$ then $J=(f^{2^k}, g^l)$ is invariant with $lleq 2^k$.



    For instance the ideal $(x^6, x^2+xy+y^2)$ is invariant.






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    • @HenrikRüping: Ah, yes, I was thinking about general ideals, not just two-generated ones. I added a few comments about this case.
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    There are tons of examples. Put $u = x^2+xy+y^2$ and $v = xy(x+y)$. Then $u$ and $v$ are $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$ invariant. If $f(s,t)$ and $g(s,t)$ are homogenous polynomials with respect to the grading $deg s = 2$, $deg t=3$, then $langle f(u,v), g(u,v) rangle$ is a $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$-invariant generated in the manner you describe. I claim that, furthermore, if $mathbb{F}_2[s,t]/langle f, g rangle$ is finite then so is $mathbb{F}_2[x,y] / langle f(u,v), g(u,v) rangle$.



    For this claim, we just need to show that $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ is module finite over $mathbb{F}_2[u,v]$. It is enough to show that the generators $x$ and $y$ are integral over $mathbb{F}_2[u,v]$. Indeed, they are both roots of the monic polynomial
    $$z^3 + u z + v.$$
    (I found $u$ and $v$ by multiplying out the polynomial $(z+x)(z+y)(z+x+y)$.)






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      There are tons of examples. Put $u = x^2+xy+y^2$ and $v = xy(x+y)$. Then $u$ and $v$ are $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$ invariant. If $f(s,t)$ and $g(s,t)$ are homogenous polynomials with respect to the grading $deg s = 2$, $deg t=3$, then $langle f(u,v), g(u,v) rangle$ is a $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$-invariant generated in the manner you describe. I claim that, furthermore, if $mathbb{F}_2[s,t]/langle f, g rangle$ is finite then so is $mathbb{F}_2[x,y] / langle f(u,v), g(u,v) rangle$.



      For this claim, we just need to show that $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ is module finite over $mathbb{F}_2[u,v]$. It is enough to show that the generators $x$ and $y$ are integral over $mathbb{F}_2[u,v]$. Indeed, they are both roots of the monic polynomial
      $$z^3 + u z + v.$$
      (I found $u$ and $v$ by multiplying out the polynomial $(z+x)(z+y)(z+x+y)$.)






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        There are tons of examples. Put $u = x^2+xy+y^2$ and $v = xy(x+y)$. Then $u$ and $v$ are $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$ invariant. If $f(s,t)$ and $g(s,t)$ are homogenous polynomials with respect to the grading $deg s = 2$, $deg t=3$, then $langle f(u,v), g(u,v) rangle$ is a $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$-invariant generated in the manner you describe. I claim that, furthermore, if $mathbb{F}_2[s,t]/langle f, g rangle$ is finite then so is $mathbb{F}_2[x,y] / langle f(u,v), g(u,v) rangle$.



        For this claim, we just need to show that $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ is module finite over $mathbb{F}_2[u,v]$. It is enough to show that the generators $x$ and $y$ are integral over $mathbb{F}_2[u,v]$. Indeed, they are both roots of the monic polynomial
        $$z^3 + u z + v.$$
        (I found $u$ and $v$ by multiplying out the polynomial $(z+x)(z+y)(z+x+y)$.)






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        There are tons of examples. Put $u = x^2+xy+y^2$ and $v = xy(x+y)$. Then $u$ and $v$ are $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$ invariant. If $f(s,t)$ and $g(s,t)$ are homogenous polynomials with respect to the grading $deg s = 2$, $deg t=3$, then $langle f(u,v), g(u,v) rangle$ is a $SL_2(mathbb{F}_2)$-invariant generated in the manner you describe. I claim that, furthermore, if $mathbb{F}_2[s,t]/langle f, g rangle$ is finite then so is $mathbb{F}_2[x,y] / langle f(u,v), g(u,v) rangle$.



        For this claim, we just need to show that $mathbb{F}_2[x,y]$ is module finite over $mathbb{F}_2[u,v]$. It is enough to show that the generators $x$ and $y$ are integral over $mathbb{F}_2[u,v]$. Indeed, they are both roots of the monic polynomial
        $$z^3 + u z + v.$$
        (I found $u$ and $v$ by multiplying out the polynomial $(z+x)(z+y)(z+x+y)$.)







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            One can see that $I=(f_1,dots, f_s)$ is $G$-invariant iff $alphacdot f_i in I$ for each $alpha in G$ and $i$. From this one can prove easily that if $I,J$ are $G$-invariant, then so is $IJ$ and $I+J$. Thus, for example, $(x,y)^n$ are invariant for all $ngeq 0$. One also have that $I=(x^{2^k}, y^{2^k})$ is invariant as pointed out by YCor. So you can generate many other examples. A complete classification seems difficult though.



            For the case of two-generated ideals, one could use the above remark and the fact that "Frobenius commutes with linear change of variables" to show:



            1) If $I=(f,g)$ is invariant then $J= (f^{2^k}, g^{2^k})$ is invariant.



            2) If $I=(f,g)$ is invariant and $deg(f)> deg(g)$ then $J=(f^{2^k}, g^l)$ is invariant with $lleq 2^k$.



            For instance the ideal $(x^6, x^2+xy+y^2)$ is invariant.






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            • Note that these ideals might not be generated by two elements anymore.
              – HenrikRüping
              Dec 15 '18 at 23:32










            • @HenrikRüping: Ah, yes, I was thinking about general ideals, not just two-generated ones. I added a few comments about this case.
              – Hailong Dao
              Dec 17 '18 at 0:26
















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            One can see that $I=(f_1,dots, f_s)$ is $G$-invariant iff $alphacdot f_i in I$ for each $alpha in G$ and $i$. From this one can prove easily that if $I,J$ are $G$-invariant, then so is $IJ$ and $I+J$. Thus, for example, $(x,y)^n$ are invariant for all $ngeq 0$. One also have that $I=(x^{2^k}, y^{2^k})$ is invariant as pointed out by YCor. So you can generate many other examples. A complete classification seems difficult though.



            For the case of two-generated ideals, one could use the above remark and the fact that "Frobenius commutes with linear change of variables" to show:



            1) If $I=(f,g)$ is invariant then $J= (f^{2^k}, g^{2^k})$ is invariant.



            2) If $I=(f,g)$ is invariant and $deg(f)> deg(g)$ then $J=(f^{2^k}, g^l)$ is invariant with $lleq 2^k$.



            For instance the ideal $(x^6, x^2+xy+y^2)$ is invariant.






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            • Note that these ideals might not be generated by two elements anymore.
              – HenrikRüping
              Dec 15 '18 at 23:32










            • @HenrikRüping: Ah, yes, I was thinking about general ideals, not just two-generated ones. I added a few comments about this case.
              – Hailong Dao
              Dec 17 '18 at 0:26














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            One can see that $I=(f_1,dots, f_s)$ is $G$-invariant iff $alphacdot f_i in I$ for each $alpha in G$ and $i$. From this one can prove easily that if $I,J$ are $G$-invariant, then so is $IJ$ and $I+J$. Thus, for example, $(x,y)^n$ are invariant for all $ngeq 0$. One also have that $I=(x^{2^k}, y^{2^k})$ is invariant as pointed out by YCor. So you can generate many other examples. A complete classification seems difficult though.



            For the case of two-generated ideals, one could use the above remark and the fact that "Frobenius commutes with linear change of variables" to show:



            1) If $I=(f,g)$ is invariant then $J= (f^{2^k}, g^{2^k})$ is invariant.



            2) If $I=(f,g)$ is invariant and $deg(f)> deg(g)$ then $J=(f^{2^k}, g^l)$ is invariant with $lleq 2^k$.



            For instance the ideal $(x^6, x^2+xy+y^2)$ is invariant.






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            One can see that $I=(f_1,dots, f_s)$ is $G$-invariant iff $alphacdot f_i in I$ for each $alpha in G$ and $i$. From this one can prove easily that if $I,J$ are $G$-invariant, then so is $IJ$ and $I+J$. Thus, for example, $(x,y)^n$ are invariant for all $ngeq 0$. One also have that $I=(x^{2^k}, y^{2^k})$ is invariant as pointed out by YCor. So you can generate many other examples. A complete classification seems difficult though.



            For the case of two-generated ideals, one could use the above remark and the fact that "Frobenius commutes with linear change of variables" to show:



            1) If $I=(f,g)$ is invariant then $J= (f^{2^k}, g^{2^k})$ is invariant.



            2) If $I=(f,g)$ is invariant and $deg(f)> deg(g)$ then $J=(f^{2^k}, g^l)$ is invariant with $lleq 2^k$.



            For instance the ideal $(x^6, x^2+xy+y^2)$ is invariant.







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            • Note that these ideals might not be generated by two elements anymore.
              – HenrikRüping
              Dec 15 '18 at 23:32










            • @HenrikRüping: Ah, yes, I was thinking about general ideals, not just two-generated ones. I added a few comments about this case.
              – Hailong Dao
              Dec 17 '18 at 0:26


















            • Note that these ideals might not be generated by two elements anymore.
              – HenrikRüping
              Dec 15 '18 at 23:32










            • @HenrikRüping: Ah, yes, I was thinking about general ideals, not just two-generated ones. I added a few comments about this case.
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              Dec 17 '18 at 0:26
















            Note that these ideals might not be generated by two elements anymore.
            – HenrikRüping
            Dec 15 '18 at 23:32




            Note that these ideals might not be generated by two elements anymore.
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            Dec 15 '18 at 23:32












            @HenrikRüping: Ah, yes, I was thinking about general ideals, not just two-generated ones. I added a few comments about this case.
            – Hailong Dao
            Dec 17 '18 at 0:26




            @HenrikRüping: Ah, yes, I was thinking about general ideals, not just two-generated ones. I added a few comments about this case.
            – Hailong Dao
            Dec 17 '18 at 0:26


















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