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Is there a rule specifying how one should separate thousands in numbers? Should I put a comma in this phrase, “500–1500 ohms”, so it would become “500–1,500 ohms”? If so why?










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    @ChrisH Except that the recommendations of in that guide would have you write 10 000 (space as separator) rather than 10,000, and although I understand why in terms of international differences in separators (points, rather than commas in continental Europe), as the document admits, this use is not universal (by any means, I would say).

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  • @David it does of course depends on your publication. I used commas in my thesis, I admit, but would generally go with the unambiguous thin space in a paper. These are both scientific publications though, and normal media might well choose a comma

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    @ChrisH Except that the recommendations of in that guide would have you write 10 000 (space as separator) rather than 10,000, and although I understand why in terms of international differences in separators (points, rather than commas in continental Europe), as the document admits, this use is not universal (by any means, I would say).

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  • @David it does of course depends on your publication. I used commas in my thesis, I admit, but would generally go with the unambiguous thin space in a paper. These are both scientific publications though, and normal media might well choose a comma

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  • Many (in my experience even most) publications (@robusto) don't go into anything like this much detail in their guidelines. But they shouldn't need to becausetheSI guide (pdf) covers all this and more

    – Chris H
    17 hours ago






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    @ChrisH Except that the recommendations of in that guide would have you write 10 000 (space as separator) rather than 10,000, and although I understand why in terms of international differences in separators (points, rather than commas in continental Europe), as the document admits, this use is not universal (by any means, I would say).

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  • @David it does of course depends on your publication. I used commas in my thesis, I admit, but would generally go with the unambiguous thin space in a paper. These are both scientific publications though, and normal media might well choose a comma

    – Chris H
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    yesterday











  • Many (in my experience even most) publications (@robusto) don't go into anything like this much detail in their guidelines. But they shouldn't need to becausetheSI guide (pdf) covers all this and more

    – Chris H
    17 hours ago






  • 2





    @ChrisH Except that the recommendations of in that guide would have you write 10 000 (space as separator) rather than 10,000, and although I understand why in terms of international differences in separators (points, rather than commas in continental Europe), as the document admits, this use is not universal (by any means, I would say).

    – David
    16 hours ago











  • @David it does of course depends on your publication. I used commas in my thesis, I admit, but would generally go with the unambiguous thin space in a paper. These are both scientific publications though, and normal media might well choose a comma

    – Chris H
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You can do it either way. If this is for publication, check the stylesheet of the publication you're writing for.

– Robusto
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You can do it either way. If this is for publication, check the stylesheet of the publication you're writing for.

– Robusto
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Many (in my experience even most) publications (@robusto) don't go into anything like this much detail in their guidelines. But they shouldn't need to becausetheSI guide (pdf) covers all this and more

– Chris H
17 hours ago





Many (in my experience even most) publications (@robusto) don't go into anything like this much detail in their guidelines. But they shouldn't need to becausetheSI guide (pdf) covers all this and more

– Chris H
17 hours ago




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@ChrisH Except that the recommendations of in that guide would have you write 10 000 (space as separator) rather than 10,000, and although I understand why in terms of international differences in separators (points, rather than commas in continental Europe), as the document admits, this use is not universal (by any means, I would say).

– David
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@ChrisH Except that the recommendations of in that guide would have you write 10 000 (space as separator) rather than 10,000, and although I understand why in terms of international differences in separators (points, rather than commas in continental Europe), as the document admits, this use is not universal (by any means, I would say).

– David
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@David it does of course depends on your publication. I used commas in my thesis, I admit, but would generally go with the unambiguous thin space in a paper. These are both scientific publications though, and normal media might well choose a comma

– Chris H
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@David it does of course depends on your publication. I used commas in my thesis, I admit, but would generally go with the unambiguous thin space in a paper. These are both scientific publications though, and normal media might well choose a comma

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It depends on the style of the journal you are publishing in, and in the old days this would be handled for you by sub-editors. Like any other aspect of text presentation, clarity and ease of comprehension are the overriding considerations. The screen-shot below from the Journal of Biological Chemistry (from the old days) shows how it is often handled. To summarize and explain why:





  • In text one writes 1500 (no comma separator) but 15,000. This aids perception, it being regarded that 1500 can easily be interpreted by the brain, but with more digits the chance of confusion increases.


  • In tables one writes 1,500 if the table also contains numbers with more digits (10,000 etc.). Again this aids perception, but in this case of the table as a whole. Alignment of the thousands helps comparisons (just as one should align decimal numbers at the point, as you see in the table).


Journal example of thousands separators



So, if you accept the arguments I have given justifying this style, I would suggest that you write “500–1500 ohms”. (Actually, better ‘ohm’ as units are generally kept in the singular — e.g. ‘ml’ in the example.)



But should you ever use commas?



A comment from @Chris_H draws attention to the SI Guide. In general this agrees with my recommendation, above, except that it suggests that the thin space should be used instead of the comma:




10.5.3 Grouping digits



Because the comma is widely used as the decimal marker outside the United States, it should not be used to separate digits into groups of three. Instead, digits should be separated into groups of three, counting from the decimal marker towards the left and right, by the use of a thin, fixed space. However, this practice is not usually followed for numbers having only four digits on either side of the decimal marker except when uniformity in a table is desired.




SI recommendations for separators



As a footnote remarks, this practice is not universally followed — not at all in the scientific journals in my area, where, in any case, the standard of sub-editing and typesetting of tables has declined drastically*. Although possible in a table, I would regard it is ambiguous and impractical to use a thin space (do you know how to obtain one?) in body text, and would write ‘15,000’ and ‘1500’ myself. (I would not use, and have never seen, separators after the decimal point.)



Another situation where you might wish to avoid commas (or indeed any separator), is where the data are to be subsequently processed by computer. The only solution I can see to that is to replace 15,000 ohm by 15 × 103, so that in a table you would have ohm (× 10–3) in the header row specifying the units.



*A recent article in Journal of Biological Chemistry — perhaps the most respected journal in its field — has ‘2,018’ and ‘1475’ in the same column of the same table (Table 3 of J. Biol. Chem. (2019) 294(5) 1753–1762), with the numbers (of two to four digits) left-aligned.






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    It depends on the style of the journal you are publishing in, and in the old days this would be handled for you by sub-editors. Like any other aspect of text presentation, clarity and ease of comprehension are the overriding considerations. The screen-shot below from the Journal of Biological Chemistry (from the old days) shows how it is often handled. To summarize and explain why:





    • In text one writes 1500 (no comma separator) but 15,000. This aids perception, it being regarded that 1500 can easily be interpreted by the brain, but with more digits the chance of confusion increases.


    • In tables one writes 1,500 if the table also contains numbers with more digits (10,000 etc.). Again this aids perception, but in this case of the table as a whole. Alignment of the thousands helps comparisons (just as one should align decimal numbers at the point, as you see in the table).


    Journal example of thousands separators



    So, if you accept the arguments I have given justifying this style, I would suggest that you write “500–1500 ohms”. (Actually, better ‘ohm’ as units are generally kept in the singular — e.g. ‘ml’ in the example.)



    But should you ever use commas?



    A comment from @Chris_H draws attention to the SI Guide. In general this agrees with my recommendation, above, except that it suggests that the thin space should be used instead of the comma:




    10.5.3 Grouping digits



    Because the comma is widely used as the decimal marker outside the United States, it should not be used to separate digits into groups of three. Instead, digits should be separated into groups of three, counting from the decimal marker towards the left and right, by the use of a thin, fixed space. However, this practice is not usually followed for numbers having only four digits on either side of the decimal marker except when uniformity in a table is desired.




    SI recommendations for separators



    As a footnote remarks, this practice is not universally followed — not at all in the scientific journals in my area, where, in any case, the standard of sub-editing and typesetting of tables has declined drastically*. Although possible in a table, I would regard it is ambiguous and impractical to use a thin space (do you know how to obtain one?) in body text, and would write ‘15,000’ and ‘1500’ myself. (I would not use, and have never seen, separators after the decimal point.)



    Another situation where you might wish to avoid commas (or indeed any separator), is where the data are to be subsequently processed by computer. The only solution I can see to that is to replace 15,000 ohm by 15 × 103, so that in a table you would have ohm (× 10–3) in the header row specifying the units.



    *A recent article in Journal of Biological Chemistry — perhaps the most respected journal in its field — has ‘2,018’ and ‘1475’ in the same column of the same table (Table 3 of J. Biol. Chem. (2019) 294(5) 1753–1762), with the numbers (of two to four digits) left-aligned.






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      It depends on the style of the journal you are publishing in, and in the old days this would be handled for you by sub-editors. Like any other aspect of text presentation, clarity and ease of comprehension are the overriding considerations. The screen-shot below from the Journal of Biological Chemistry (from the old days) shows how it is often handled. To summarize and explain why:





      • In text one writes 1500 (no comma separator) but 15,000. This aids perception, it being regarded that 1500 can easily be interpreted by the brain, but with more digits the chance of confusion increases.


      • In tables one writes 1,500 if the table also contains numbers with more digits (10,000 etc.). Again this aids perception, but in this case of the table as a whole. Alignment of the thousands helps comparisons (just as one should align decimal numbers at the point, as you see in the table).


      Journal example of thousands separators



      So, if you accept the arguments I have given justifying this style, I would suggest that you write “500–1500 ohms”. (Actually, better ‘ohm’ as units are generally kept in the singular — e.g. ‘ml’ in the example.)



      But should you ever use commas?



      A comment from @Chris_H draws attention to the SI Guide. In general this agrees with my recommendation, above, except that it suggests that the thin space should be used instead of the comma:




      10.5.3 Grouping digits



      Because the comma is widely used as the decimal marker outside the United States, it should not be used to separate digits into groups of three. Instead, digits should be separated into groups of three, counting from the decimal marker towards the left and right, by the use of a thin, fixed space. However, this practice is not usually followed for numbers having only four digits on either side of the decimal marker except when uniformity in a table is desired.




      SI recommendations for separators



      As a footnote remarks, this practice is not universally followed — not at all in the scientific journals in my area, where, in any case, the standard of sub-editing and typesetting of tables has declined drastically*. Although possible in a table, I would regard it is ambiguous and impractical to use a thin space (do you know how to obtain one?) in body text, and would write ‘15,000’ and ‘1500’ myself. (I would not use, and have never seen, separators after the decimal point.)



      Another situation where you might wish to avoid commas (or indeed any separator), is where the data are to be subsequently processed by computer. The only solution I can see to that is to replace 15,000 ohm by 15 × 103, so that in a table you would have ohm (× 10–3) in the header row specifying the units.



      *A recent article in Journal of Biological Chemistry — perhaps the most respected journal in its field — has ‘2,018’ and ‘1475’ in the same column of the same table (Table 3 of J. Biol. Chem. (2019) 294(5) 1753–1762), with the numbers (of two to four digits) left-aligned.






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        It depends on the style of the journal you are publishing in, and in the old days this would be handled for you by sub-editors. Like any other aspect of text presentation, clarity and ease of comprehension are the overriding considerations. The screen-shot below from the Journal of Biological Chemistry (from the old days) shows how it is often handled. To summarize and explain why:





        • In text one writes 1500 (no comma separator) but 15,000. This aids perception, it being regarded that 1500 can easily be interpreted by the brain, but with more digits the chance of confusion increases.


        • In tables one writes 1,500 if the table also contains numbers with more digits (10,000 etc.). Again this aids perception, but in this case of the table as a whole. Alignment of the thousands helps comparisons (just as one should align decimal numbers at the point, as you see in the table).


        Journal example of thousands separators



        So, if you accept the arguments I have given justifying this style, I would suggest that you write “500–1500 ohms”. (Actually, better ‘ohm’ as units are generally kept in the singular — e.g. ‘ml’ in the example.)



        But should you ever use commas?



        A comment from @Chris_H draws attention to the SI Guide. In general this agrees with my recommendation, above, except that it suggests that the thin space should be used instead of the comma:




        10.5.3 Grouping digits



        Because the comma is widely used as the decimal marker outside the United States, it should not be used to separate digits into groups of three. Instead, digits should be separated into groups of three, counting from the decimal marker towards the left and right, by the use of a thin, fixed space. However, this practice is not usually followed for numbers having only four digits on either side of the decimal marker except when uniformity in a table is desired.




        SI recommendations for separators



        As a footnote remarks, this practice is not universally followed — not at all in the scientific journals in my area, where, in any case, the standard of sub-editing and typesetting of tables has declined drastically*. Although possible in a table, I would regard it is ambiguous and impractical to use a thin space (do you know how to obtain one?) in body text, and would write ‘15,000’ and ‘1500’ myself. (I would not use, and have never seen, separators after the decimal point.)



        Another situation where you might wish to avoid commas (or indeed any separator), is where the data are to be subsequently processed by computer. The only solution I can see to that is to replace 15,000 ohm by 15 × 103, so that in a table you would have ohm (× 10–3) in the header row specifying the units.



        *A recent article in Journal of Biological Chemistry — perhaps the most respected journal in its field — has ‘2,018’ and ‘1475’ in the same column of the same table (Table 3 of J. Biol. Chem. (2019) 294(5) 1753–1762), with the numbers (of two to four digits) left-aligned.






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        It depends on the style of the journal you are publishing in, and in the old days this would be handled for you by sub-editors. Like any other aspect of text presentation, clarity and ease of comprehension are the overriding considerations. The screen-shot below from the Journal of Biological Chemistry (from the old days) shows how it is often handled. To summarize and explain why:





        • In text one writes 1500 (no comma separator) but 15,000. This aids perception, it being regarded that 1500 can easily be interpreted by the brain, but with more digits the chance of confusion increases.


        • In tables one writes 1,500 if the table also contains numbers with more digits (10,000 etc.). Again this aids perception, but in this case of the table as a whole. Alignment of the thousands helps comparisons (just as one should align decimal numbers at the point, as you see in the table).


        Journal example of thousands separators



        So, if you accept the arguments I have given justifying this style, I would suggest that you write “500–1500 ohms”. (Actually, better ‘ohm’ as units are generally kept in the singular — e.g. ‘ml’ in the example.)



        But should you ever use commas?



        A comment from @Chris_H draws attention to the SI Guide. In general this agrees with my recommendation, above, except that it suggests that the thin space should be used instead of the comma:




        10.5.3 Grouping digits



        Because the comma is widely used as the decimal marker outside the United States, it should not be used to separate digits into groups of three. Instead, digits should be separated into groups of three, counting from the decimal marker towards the left and right, by the use of a thin, fixed space. However, this practice is not usually followed for numbers having only four digits on either side of the decimal marker except when uniformity in a table is desired.




        SI recommendations for separators



        As a footnote remarks, this practice is not universally followed — not at all in the scientific journals in my area, where, in any case, the standard of sub-editing and typesetting of tables has declined drastically*. Although possible in a table, I would regard it is ambiguous and impractical to use a thin space (do you know how to obtain one?) in body text, and would write ‘15,000’ and ‘1500’ myself. (I would not use, and have never seen, separators after the decimal point.)



        Another situation where you might wish to avoid commas (or indeed any separator), is where the data are to be subsequently processed by computer. The only solution I can see to that is to replace 15,000 ohm by 15 × 103, so that in a table you would have ohm (× 10–3) in the header row specifying the units.



        *A recent article in Journal of Biological Chemistry — perhaps the most respected journal in its field — has ‘2,018’ and ‘1475’ in the same column of the same table (Table 3 of J. Biol. Chem. (2019) 294(5) 1753–1762), with the numbers (of two to four digits) left-aligned.







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