Two equal segments, two known angles, find angle in triangle
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This is the problem. I have tried the obvious without success. Drawing some perpendiculars (from A for example), I only know the angle $sphericalangle ADC = 54 ^{circ}$. How can I use the equality $AB = DC$?
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This is the problem. I have tried the obvious without success. Drawing some perpendiculars (from A for example), I only know the angle $sphericalangle ADC = 54 ^{circ}$. How can I use the equality $AB = DC$?
geometry trigonometry euclidean-geometry geometric-transformation
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A small point is that $angle ADC = 55°$, not $54°$ as you state, based on $angle ABC = 25°$ and $angle BAD = 30°$. Also, it's not clear to me whether it's $DC$ or $BC$ which is equal in length to $AB$. Please clarify this. Thanks. Note that if it's $BC$, then you have an isosceles triangle, so it's quite simple that $x$ is $155/2°$, but then having $angle BAD = 30°$ doesn't really do anything.
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– John Omielan
18 hours ago
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Thx for the comment. AB=DC. And the angle ABC is 24, not 25.
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– asd11
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You are welcome. The writing made it seem like it was $25$ instead to me.
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– John Omielan
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This is the problem. I have tried the obvious without success. Drawing some perpendiculars (from A for example), I only know the angle $sphericalangle ADC = 54 ^{circ}$. How can I use the equality $AB = DC$?
geometry trigonometry euclidean-geometry geometric-transformation
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This is the problem. I have tried the obvious without success. Drawing some perpendiculars (from A for example), I only know the angle $sphericalangle ADC = 54 ^{circ}$. How can I use the equality $AB = DC$?
geometry trigonometry euclidean-geometry geometric-transformation
geometry trigonometry euclidean-geometry geometric-transformation
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A small point is that $angle ADC = 55°$, not $54°$ as you state, based on $angle ABC = 25°$ and $angle BAD = 30°$. Also, it's not clear to me whether it's $DC$ or $BC$ which is equal in length to $AB$. Please clarify this. Thanks. Note that if it's $BC$, then you have an isosceles triangle, so it's quite simple that $x$ is $155/2°$, but then having $angle BAD = 30°$ doesn't really do anything.
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– John Omielan
18 hours ago
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Thx for the comment. AB=DC. And the angle ABC is 24, not 25.
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– asd11
17 hours ago
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You are welcome. The writing made it seem like it was $25$ instead to me.
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– John Omielan
17 hours ago
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A small point is that $angle ADC = 55°$, not $54°$ as you state, based on $angle ABC = 25°$ and $angle BAD = 30°$. Also, it's not clear to me whether it's $DC$ or $BC$ which is equal in length to $AB$. Please clarify this. Thanks. Note that if it's $BC$, then you have an isosceles triangle, so it's quite simple that $x$ is $155/2°$, but then having $angle BAD = 30°$ doesn't really do anything.
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– John Omielan
18 hours ago
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Thx for the comment. AB=DC. And the angle ABC is 24, not 25.
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– asd11
17 hours ago
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You are welcome. The writing made it seem like it was $25$ instead to me.
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– John Omielan
17 hours ago
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A small point is that $angle ADC = 55°$, not $54°$ as you state, based on $angle ABC = 25°$ and $angle BAD = 30°$. Also, it's not clear to me whether it's $DC$ or $BC$ which is equal in length to $AB$. Please clarify this. Thanks. Note that if it's $BC$, then you have an isosceles triangle, so it's quite simple that $x$ is $155/2°$, but then having $angle BAD = 30°$ doesn't really do anything.
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– John Omielan
18 hours ago
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A small point is that $angle ADC = 55°$, not $54°$ as you state, based on $angle ABC = 25°$ and $angle BAD = 30°$. Also, it's not clear to me whether it's $DC$ or $BC$ which is equal in length to $AB$. Please clarify this. Thanks. Note that if it's $BC$, then you have an isosceles triangle, so it's quite simple that $x$ is $155/2°$, but then having $angle BAD = 30°$ doesn't really do anything.
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– John Omielan
18 hours ago
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Thx for the comment. AB=DC. And the angle ABC is 24, not 25.
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– asd11
17 hours ago
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Thx for the comment. AB=DC. And the angle ABC is 24, not 25.
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– asd11
17 hours ago
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You are welcome. The writing made it seem like it was $25$ instead to me.
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– John Omielan
17 hours ago
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You are welcome. The writing made it seem like it was $25$ instead to me.
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17 hours ago
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By the law of sines we obtain:
$$frac{AD}{sin{x}}=frac{DC}{sin(126^{circ}-x)}$$ and
$$frac{AD}{sin24^{circ}}=frac{AB}{sin54^{circ}}$$ and since $AB=DC$, we obtain:
$$frac{sin{x}}{sin24^{circ}}=frac{sin(126^{circ}-x)}{sin54^{circ}}.$$
Can you end it now?
I got $x=30^{circ}.$
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If you do that trig, then you'll find that BD:DC is a ratio the OP might recognise. Wonder if there's a way to prove it geometrically. (From such a proof, @Michael's result would follow easily.)
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– Rosie F
16 hours ago
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@Rosie F I still don't see a geometric solution.
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– Michael Rozenberg
16 hours ago
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I really wonder how much are calculations here faster than pure geometric solution?
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Let's reformulate the problem.
Let $triangle ABC$ be such that $angle ABC = 24^{circ}$ and $angle ACB = 30^{circ}$ and $D$ is on $BC$ so that $AB = CD$.
We have to prove $angle BAD = 30^{circ}$

Solution: Rotate $B$ around $A$ for $60^{circ}$ to new point $E$. Then since $EA=EB$ and $$angle AEB = 2angle BCA$$ we see that $C$ is on circle with center at $E$ and radius $EA=EB = EC$. Then $CD = CE$, so $$angle BCE = angle CBE = 34^{circ} implies angle EDC = angle DEC = 72^{circ}$$
Now this means that $$angle BDE = 108^{circ} implies angle BED = angle EBD = 36^{circ}$$
This means $BD = ED$, so so $triangle ABD$ and $triangle ADE$ are congruent (sss) and thus $angle BAD = 30 ^{circ}$.
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Very nice solution! +1
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– Michael Rozenberg
13 hours ago
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Ah, glad that this angle problem with its rational answer has a geometrical solution. Classical elements of an adventitious-angle problem's solution: an equilateral triangle and a circumcentre. Pity it's analytical (with your reformulation) but it's sound nonetheless.
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– Rosie F
5 hours ago
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Which part in the solution is analytical? @RosieF
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– greedoid
5 hours ago
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@greedoid You needed to know that the answer is $30^circ$ in order to know to make $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ in your reformulation. I acknowledge that your solution is sound -- seeing as making $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ implies $angle BAD=30^circ$, the other constraints mean that, conversely, if $angle BAD=30^circ$ as specified, $angle ACB=30^circ$. But your reformulation is analytical in that it analysed the answer and proved it correct rather than synthesizing it directly.
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– Rosie F
5 hours ago
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I'm not sure what you mean an but easy drawing make easy hypothethis it is 30 degree.@RosieF
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By the law of sines we obtain:
$$frac{AD}{sin{x}}=frac{DC}{sin(126^{circ}-x)}$$ and
$$frac{AD}{sin24^{circ}}=frac{AB}{sin54^{circ}}$$ and since $AB=DC$, we obtain:
$$frac{sin{x}}{sin24^{circ}}=frac{sin(126^{circ}-x)}{sin54^{circ}}.$$
Can you end it now?
I got $x=30^{circ}.$
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If you do that trig, then you'll find that BD:DC is a ratio the OP might recognise. Wonder if there's a way to prove it geometrically. (From such a proof, @Michael's result would follow easily.)
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– Rosie F
16 hours ago
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@Rosie F I still don't see a geometric solution.
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– Michael Rozenberg
16 hours ago
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I really wonder how much are calculations here faster than pure geometric solution?
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– greedoid
13 hours ago
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By the law of sines we obtain:
$$frac{AD}{sin{x}}=frac{DC}{sin(126^{circ}-x)}$$ and
$$frac{AD}{sin24^{circ}}=frac{AB}{sin54^{circ}}$$ and since $AB=DC$, we obtain:
$$frac{sin{x}}{sin24^{circ}}=frac{sin(126^{circ}-x)}{sin54^{circ}}.$$
Can you end it now?
I got $x=30^{circ}.$
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$begingroup$
If you do that trig, then you'll find that BD:DC is a ratio the OP might recognise. Wonder if there's a way to prove it geometrically. (From such a proof, @Michael's result would follow easily.)
$endgroup$
– Rosie F
16 hours ago
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@Rosie F I still don't see a geometric solution.
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– Michael Rozenberg
16 hours ago
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I really wonder how much are calculations here faster than pure geometric solution?
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– greedoid
13 hours ago
add a comment |
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By the law of sines we obtain:
$$frac{AD}{sin{x}}=frac{DC}{sin(126^{circ}-x)}$$ and
$$frac{AD}{sin24^{circ}}=frac{AB}{sin54^{circ}}$$ and since $AB=DC$, we obtain:
$$frac{sin{x}}{sin24^{circ}}=frac{sin(126^{circ}-x)}{sin54^{circ}}.$$
Can you end it now?
I got $x=30^{circ}.$
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By the law of sines we obtain:
$$frac{AD}{sin{x}}=frac{DC}{sin(126^{circ}-x)}$$ and
$$frac{AD}{sin24^{circ}}=frac{AB}{sin54^{circ}}$$ and since $AB=DC$, we obtain:
$$frac{sin{x}}{sin24^{circ}}=frac{sin(126^{circ}-x)}{sin54^{circ}}.$$
Can you end it now?
I got $x=30^{circ}.$
answered 17 hours ago
Michael RozenbergMichael Rozenberg
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If you do that trig, then you'll find that BD:DC is a ratio the OP might recognise. Wonder if there's a way to prove it geometrically. (From such a proof, @Michael's result would follow easily.)
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– Rosie F
16 hours ago
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@Rosie F I still don't see a geometric solution.
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– Michael Rozenberg
16 hours ago
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I really wonder how much are calculations here faster than pure geometric solution?
$endgroup$
– greedoid
13 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If you do that trig, then you'll find that BD:DC is a ratio the OP might recognise. Wonder if there's a way to prove it geometrically. (From such a proof, @Michael's result would follow easily.)
$endgroup$
– Rosie F
16 hours ago
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@Rosie F I still don't see a geometric solution.
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– Michael Rozenberg
16 hours ago
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I really wonder how much are calculations here faster than pure geometric solution?
$endgroup$
– greedoid
13 hours ago
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If you do that trig, then you'll find that BD:DC is a ratio the OP might recognise. Wonder if there's a way to prove it geometrically. (From such a proof, @Michael's result would follow easily.)
$endgroup$
– Rosie F
16 hours ago
$begingroup$
If you do that trig, then you'll find that BD:DC is a ratio the OP might recognise. Wonder if there's a way to prove it geometrically. (From such a proof, @Michael's result would follow easily.)
$endgroup$
– Rosie F
16 hours ago
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@Rosie F I still don't see a geometric solution.
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– Michael Rozenberg
16 hours ago
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@Rosie F I still don't see a geometric solution.
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– Michael Rozenberg
16 hours ago
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I really wonder how much are calculations here faster than pure geometric solution?
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– greedoid
13 hours ago
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I really wonder how much are calculations here faster than pure geometric solution?
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– greedoid
13 hours ago
add a comment |
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Let's reformulate the problem.
Let $triangle ABC$ be such that $angle ABC = 24^{circ}$ and $angle ACB = 30^{circ}$ and $D$ is on $BC$ so that $AB = CD$.
We have to prove $angle BAD = 30^{circ}$

Solution: Rotate $B$ around $A$ for $60^{circ}$ to new point $E$. Then since $EA=EB$ and $$angle AEB = 2angle BCA$$ we see that $C$ is on circle with center at $E$ and radius $EA=EB = EC$. Then $CD = CE$, so $$angle BCE = angle CBE = 34^{circ} implies angle EDC = angle DEC = 72^{circ}$$
Now this means that $$angle BDE = 108^{circ} implies angle BED = angle EBD = 36^{circ}$$
This means $BD = ED$, so so $triangle ABD$ and $triangle ADE$ are congruent (sss) and thus $angle BAD = 30 ^{circ}$.
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Very nice solution! +1
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– Michael Rozenberg
13 hours ago
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Ah, glad that this angle problem with its rational answer has a geometrical solution. Classical elements of an adventitious-angle problem's solution: an equilateral triangle and a circumcentre. Pity it's analytical (with your reformulation) but it's sound nonetheless.
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– Rosie F
5 hours ago
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Which part in the solution is analytical? @RosieF
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– greedoid
5 hours ago
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@greedoid You needed to know that the answer is $30^circ$ in order to know to make $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ in your reformulation. I acknowledge that your solution is sound -- seeing as making $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ implies $angle BAD=30^circ$, the other constraints mean that, conversely, if $angle BAD=30^circ$ as specified, $angle ACB=30^circ$. But your reformulation is analytical in that it analysed the answer and proved it correct rather than synthesizing it directly.
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– Rosie F
5 hours ago
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I'm not sure what you mean an but easy drawing make easy hypothethis it is 30 degree.@RosieF
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– greedoid
5 hours ago
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Let's reformulate the problem.
Let $triangle ABC$ be such that $angle ABC = 24^{circ}$ and $angle ACB = 30^{circ}$ and $D$ is on $BC$ so that $AB = CD$.
We have to prove $angle BAD = 30^{circ}$

Solution: Rotate $B$ around $A$ for $60^{circ}$ to new point $E$. Then since $EA=EB$ and $$angle AEB = 2angle BCA$$ we see that $C$ is on circle with center at $E$ and radius $EA=EB = EC$. Then $CD = CE$, so $$angle BCE = angle CBE = 34^{circ} implies angle EDC = angle DEC = 72^{circ}$$
Now this means that $$angle BDE = 108^{circ} implies angle BED = angle EBD = 36^{circ}$$
This means $BD = ED$, so so $triangle ABD$ and $triangle ADE$ are congruent (sss) and thus $angle BAD = 30 ^{circ}$.
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Very nice solution! +1
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– Michael Rozenberg
13 hours ago
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Ah, glad that this angle problem with its rational answer has a geometrical solution. Classical elements of an adventitious-angle problem's solution: an equilateral triangle and a circumcentre. Pity it's analytical (with your reformulation) but it's sound nonetheless.
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– Rosie F
5 hours ago
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Which part in the solution is analytical? @RosieF
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– greedoid
5 hours ago
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@greedoid You needed to know that the answer is $30^circ$ in order to know to make $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ in your reformulation. I acknowledge that your solution is sound -- seeing as making $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ implies $angle BAD=30^circ$, the other constraints mean that, conversely, if $angle BAD=30^circ$ as specified, $angle ACB=30^circ$. But your reformulation is analytical in that it analysed the answer and proved it correct rather than synthesizing it directly.
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– Rosie F
5 hours ago
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I'm not sure what you mean an but easy drawing make easy hypothethis it is 30 degree.@RosieF
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– greedoid
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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Let's reformulate the problem.
Let $triangle ABC$ be such that $angle ABC = 24^{circ}$ and $angle ACB = 30^{circ}$ and $D$ is on $BC$ so that $AB = CD$.
We have to prove $angle BAD = 30^{circ}$

Solution: Rotate $B$ around $A$ for $60^{circ}$ to new point $E$. Then since $EA=EB$ and $$angle AEB = 2angle BCA$$ we see that $C$ is on circle with center at $E$ and radius $EA=EB = EC$. Then $CD = CE$, so $$angle BCE = angle CBE = 34^{circ} implies angle EDC = angle DEC = 72^{circ}$$
Now this means that $$angle BDE = 108^{circ} implies angle BED = angle EBD = 36^{circ}$$
This means $BD = ED$, so so $triangle ABD$ and $triangle ADE$ are congruent (sss) and thus $angle BAD = 30 ^{circ}$.
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Let's reformulate the problem.
Let $triangle ABC$ be such that $angle ABC = 24^{circ}$ and $angle ACB = 30^{circ}$ and $D$ is on $BC$ so that $AB = CD$.
We have to prove $angle BAD = 30^{circ}$

Solution: Rotate $B$ around $A$ for $60^{circ}$ to new point $E$. Then since $EA=EB$ and $$angle AEB = 2angle BCA$$ we see that $C$ is on circle with center at $E$ and radius $EA=EB = EC$. Then $CD = CE$, so $$angle BCE = angle CBE = 34^{circ} implies angle EDC = angle DEC = 72^{circ}$$
Now this means that $$angle BDE = 108^{circ} implies angle BED = angle EBD = 36^{circ}$$
This means $BD = ED$, so so $triangle ABD$ and $triangle ADE$ are congruent (sss) and thus $angle BAD = 30 ^{circ}$.
edited 13 hours ago
answered 14 hours ago
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Very nice solution! +1
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– Michael Rozenberg
13 hours ago
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Ah, glad that this angle problem with its rational answer has a geometrical solution. Classical elements of an adventitious-angle problem's solution: an equilateral triangle and a circumcentre. Pity it's analytical (with your reformulation) but it's sound nonetheless.
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– Rosie F
5 hours ago
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Which part in the solution is analytical? @RosieF
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– greedoid
5 hours ago
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@greedoid You needed to know that the answer is $30^circ$ in order to know to make $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ in your reformulation. I acknowledge that your solution is sound -- seeing as making $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ implies $angle BAD=30^circ$, the other constraints mean that, conversely, if $angle BAD=30^circ$ as specified, $angle ACB=30^circ$. But your reformulation is analytical in that it analysed the answer and proved it correct rather than synthesizing it directly.
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– Rosie F
5 hours ago
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I'm not sure what you mean an but easy drawing make easy hypothethis it is 30 degree.@RosieF
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– greedoid
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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Very nice solution! +1
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– Michael Rozenberg
13 hours ago
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Ah, glad that this angle problem with its rational answer has a geometrical solution. Classical elements of an adventitious-angle problem's solution: an equilateral triangle and a circumcentre. Pity it's analytical (with your reformulation) but it's sound nonetheless.
$endgroup$
– Rosie F
5 hours ago
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Which part in the solution is analytical? @RosieF
$endgroup$
– greedoid
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@greedoid You needed to know that the answer is $30^circ$ in order to know to make $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ in your reformulation. I acknowledge that your solution is sound -- seeing as making $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ implies $angle BAD=30^circ$, the other constraints mean that, conversely, if $angle BAD=30^circ$ as specified, $angle ACB=30^circ$. But your reformulation is analytical in that it analysed the answer and proved it correct rather than synthesizing it directly.
$endgroup$
– Rosie F
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
I'm not sure what you mean an but easy drawing make easy hypothethis it is 30 degree.@RosieF
$endgroup$
– greedoid
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Very nice solution! +1
$endgroup$
– Michael Rozenberg
13 hours ago
$begingroup$
Very nice solution! +1
$endgroup$
– Michael Rozenberg
13 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ah, glad that this angle problem with its rational answer has a geometrical solution. Classical elements of an adventitious-angle problem's solution: an equilateral triangle and a circumcentre. Pity it's analytical (with your reformulation) but it's sound nonetheless.
$endgroup$
– Rosie F
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ah, glad that this angle problem with its rational answer has a geometrical solution. Classical elements of an adventitious-angle problem's solution: an equilateral triangle and a circumcentre. Pity it's analytical (with your reformulation) but it's sound nonetheless.
$endgroup$
– Rosie F
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Which part in the solution is analytical? @RosieF
$endgroup$
– greedoid
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Which part in the solution is analytical? @RosieF
$endgroup$
– greedoid
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@greedoid You needed to know that the answer is $30^circ$ in order to know to make $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ in your reformulation. I acknowledge that your solution is sound -- seeing as making $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ implies $angle BAD=30^circ$, the other constraints mean that, conversely, if $angle BAD=30^circ$ as specified, $angle ACB=30^circ$. But your reformulation is analytical in that it analysed the answer and proved it correct rather than synthesizing it directly.
$endgroup$
– Rosie F
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@greedoid You needed to know that the answer is $30^circ$ in order to know to make $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ in your reformulation. I acknowledge that your solution is sound -- seeing as making $angle ACB$ $30^circ$ implies $angle BAD=30^circ$, the other constraints mean that, conversely, if $angle BAD=30^circ$ as specified, $angle ACB=30^circ$. But your reformulation is analytical in that it analysed the answer and proved it correct rather than synthesizing it directly.
$endgroup$
– Rosie F
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
I'm not sure what you mean an but easy drawing make easy hypothethis it is 30 degree.@RosieF
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– greedoid
5 hours ago
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I'm not sure what you mean an but easy drawing make easy hypothethis it is 30 degree.@RosieF
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– greedoid
5 hours ago
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A small point is that $angle ADC = 55°$, not $54°$ as you state, based on $angle ABC = 25°$ and $angle BAD = 30°$. Also, it's not clear to me whether it's $DC$ or $BC$ which is equal in length to $AB$. Please clarify this. Thanks. Note that if it's $BC$, then you have an isosceles triangle, so it's quite simple that $x$ is $155/2°$, but then having $angle BAD = 30°$ doesn't really do anything.
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– John Omielan
18 hours ago
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Thx for the comment. AB=DC. And the angle ABC is 24, not 25.
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– asd11
17 hours ago
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You are welcome. The writing made it seem like it was $25$ instead to me.
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– John Omielan
17 hours ago