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From Basho:




蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭




I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らなで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?






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    From Basho:




    蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭




    I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らなで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?






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      From Basho:




      蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭




      I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らなで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?






      grammar classical-japanese literature







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      From Basho:




      蓮池や折らでそのまま玉祭




      I have the impression that 折らで would be 折らなで without ない. If that's the case is it an artistic choice or some obscure grammar?






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          In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".




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          《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。




          This で is surviving as part of ならでは.






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          In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".




          で



          接続助詞



          《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。




          This で is surviving as part of ならでは.






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            Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？

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          In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".




          で



          接続助詞



          《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。




          This で is surviving as part of ならでは.






          share|improve this answer





















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            Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？

            – Alberto Andrade
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          In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".




          で



          接続助詞



          《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。




          This で is surviving as part of ならでは.






          share|improve this answer















          In classical Japanese, で after an irrealis-form (未然形) means ないで in modern Japanese. So 折らで means 折らないで or "without snapping off".




          で



          接続助詞



          《接続》活用語の未然形に付く。〔打消の接続〕…ないで。…ずに。




          This で is surviving as part of ならでは.







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            Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？

            – Alberto Andrade
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          • @naruto What resource is your definition from?

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          Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？

          – Alberto Andrade
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          Thanks! But could you elaborate that part about ならでは？

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          @naruto What resource is your definition from?

          – sazarando
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