Why is there a difference between the hand drawn 道 and the pc font one?












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I was studying this kanji and looked at the strokes order to figure out how to write it, only to realize the difference between the pc font one and the diagram. Why is the 3 look-alike only on hand drawn?










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  • What diagram? I can only see computer font-type text in the link.

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  • I assume you mean the penultimate stroke. Fonts for kanji vary, just like with the Latin alphabet.

    – Mathieu Bouville
    yesterday











  • Related: japanese.stackexchange.com/q/64873/1478

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  • Also related: japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/18782/…. The character display depends on current typeface being used.

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  • What diagram? I can only see computer font-type text in the link.

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  • I assume you mean the penultimate stroke. Fonts for kanji vary, just like with the Latin alphabet.

    – Mathieu Bouville
    yesterday











  • Related: japanese.stackexchange.com/q/64873/1478

    – snailboat
    yesterday













  • Also related: japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/18782/…. The character display depends on current typeface being used.

    – Tetsuya Yamamoto
    yesterday














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  • What diagram? I can only see computer font-type text in the link.

    – bjorn
    yesterday











  • I assume you mean the penultimate stroke. Fonts for kanji vary, just like with the Latin alphabet.

    – Mathieu Bouville
    yesterday











  • Related: japanese.stackexchange.com/q/64873/1478

    – snailboat
    yesterday













  • Also related: japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/18782/…. The character display depends on current typeface being used.

    – Tetsuya Yamamoto
    yesterday



















  • What diagram? I can only see computer font-type text in the link.

    – bjorn
    yesterday











  • I assume you mean the penultimate stroke. Fonts for kanji vary, just like with the Latin alphabet.

    – Mathieu Bouville
    yesterday











  • Related: japanese.stackexchange.com/q/64873/1478

    – snailboat
    yesterday













  • Also related: japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/18782/…. The character display depends on current typeface being used.

    – Tetsuya Yamamoto
    yesterday

















What diagram? I can only see computer font-type text in the link.

– bjorn
yesterday





What diagram? I can only see computer font-type text in the link.

– bjorn
yesterday













I assume you mean the penultimate stroke. Fonts for kanji vary, just like with the Latin alphabet.

– Mathieu Bouville
yesterday





I assume you mean the penultimate stroke. Fonts for kanji vary, just like with the Latin alphabet.

– Mathieu Bouville
yesterday













Related: japanese.stackexchange.com/q/64873/1478

– snailboat
yesterday







Related: japanese.stackexchange.com/q/64873/1478

– snailboat
yesterday















Also related: japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/18782/…. The character display depends on current typeface being used.

– Tetsuya Yamamoto
yesterday





Also related: japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/18782/…. The character display depends on current typeface being used.

– Tetsuya Yamamoto
yesterday










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I'm assuming that this is a question on the different shapes of the「⻍・⻌」component of「道」.




For reference, the glyph origin of「⻍・⻌」is shown below via the character「過」.「⻍・⻌」is a merger between「彳」and「止」;「止」eventually became drastically simplified, but「彳」still retains most of its structure in the print form, while slightly simplified in the handwritten form.




西周

enter image description here
過伯簋
集成3907


enter image description here
郭・語3
 


enter image description here
睡・效9
 
東{{kr:漢}}

enter image description here
華山廟碑
 


enter image description here

 

明朝體
enter image description here
康熙字典
 




There are two print shapes that you will see in Japanese fonts:



enter image description here



The left hand shape applies to most* of the printed forms of the Jōyō kanji, of which「道」is a member. The right hand side is the orthodox print shape, and applies to all other kanji.



Regardless of whether the character is a Jōyō kanji or not, the handwritten shape (should) always look like this:



enter image description here



This is equivalent to taking the right hand print shape and merging the second and third strokes:



enter image description here




The reason why Japanese decided to apply the left hand print shape, and only to the Jōyō kanji, is rather convoluted, and not relevant to how you should learn handwriting. Just remember the handwriting shape, and make use of handwriting previews.






*The left hand print shape is no longer applicable for new kanji coming into the Jōyō kanji list. See the jisho.org entries for「謎」,「遡」, and「遜」, which are new (2010) Jōyō kanji and use the right hand (orthodox) print shape, but do not follow their stroke order diagrams, which are incorrect and caused by a severe misunderstanding about the structure of the left hand side of「⻍・⻌」.




enter image description here



This is incorrect; never write with both two dots and a curl. Either imitate the orthodox print shape (two dots and a straight vertical finish) or the handwriting shape (one dot and a curl).




As always, follow a handwriting font:



enter image description here






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  • You're right, I wanted to know why the handwritten shape was different. Thank you, now I know which form to use when writing it!

    – Ada
    7 hours ago



















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English/Latin letters have similar differences between hand-written and printed forms. (Think about how most people would write the letter 'a' or the number '4') Historically, many of the differences between type forms and hand-written forms come from the technology used for printing.



Obviously, hand-writing pre-dates printing, so the hand-written form came first (the 3-like part of 道). When characters were adapted to metal movable type the form was often modified to make the type easier to make, easier to read, last longer or print better. This is the case for the font shown on the website you referenced.



More information on the radical in question, "之繞{しんにょう}":



https://kakijun.jp/main/shin-nyu.html



This link supports what droooze mentions above, namely that the 3-like shape comes from merging the second and third strokes of an older form, which has 2 dots rather than 1. However, it also states that the 2-dot + curl form is "general", though not "correct".






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  • I would like to mention that I think my answer addresses why 之繞 looks the way it does in the print font questioned by the OP, whereas droooze's answer answers the OP from the other end, namely why the handwritten font looks the way that it does.

    – sazarando
    yesterday








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    Thank you for the link, very interesting read! It does make sense that they would simplify it, but it was also quite confusing.

    – Ada
    7 hours ago











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I'm assuming that this is a question on the different shapes of the「⻍・⻌」component of「道」.




For reference, the glyph origin of「⻍・⻌」is shown below via the character「過」.「⻍・⻌」is a merger between「彳」and「止」;「止」eventually became drastically simplified, but「彳」still retains most of its structure in the print form, while slightly simplified in the handwritten form.




西周

enter image description here
過伯簋
集成3907


enter image description here
郭・語3
 


enter image description here
睡・效9
 
東{{kr:漢}}

enter image description here
華山廟碑
 


enter image description here

 

明朝體
enter image description here
康熙字典
 




There are two print shapes that you will see in Japanese fonts:



enter image description here



The left hand shape applies to most* of the printed forms of the Jōyō kanji, of which「道」is a member. The right hand side is the orthodox print shape, and applies to all other kanji.



Regardless of whether the character is a Jōyō kanji or not, the handwritten shape (should) always look like this:



enter image description here



This is equivalent to taking the right hand print shape and merging the second and third strokes:



enter image description here




The reason why Japanese decided to apply the left hand print shape, and only to the Jōyō kanji, is rather convoluted, and not relevant to how you should learn handwriting. Just remember the handwriting shape, and make use of handwriting previews.






*The left hand print shape is no longer applicable for new kanji coming into the Jōyō kanji list. See the jisho.org entries for「謎」,「遡」, and「遜」, which are new (2010) Jōyō kanji and use the right hand (orthodox) print shape, but do not follow their stroke order diagrams, which are incorrect and caused by a severe misunderstanding about the structure of the left hand side of「⻍・⻌」.




enter image description here



This is incorrect; never write with both two dots and a curl. Either imitate the orthodox print shape (two dots and a straight vertical finish) or the handwriting shape (one dot and a curl).




As always, follow a handwriting font:



enter image description here






share|improve this answer


























  • You're right, I wanted to know why the handwritten shape was different. Thank you, now I know which form to use when writing it!

    – Ada
    7 hours ago
















6














I'm assuming that this is a question on the different shapes of the「⻍・⻌」component of「道」.




For reference, the glyph origin of「⻍・⻌」is shown below via the character「過」.「⻍・⻌」is a merger between「彳」and「止」;「止」eventually became drastically simplified, but「彳」still retains most of its structure in the print form, while slightly simplified in the handwritten form.




西周

enter image description here
過伯簋
集成3907


enter image description here
郭・語3
 


enter image description here
睡・效9
 
東{{kr:漢}}

enter image description here
華山廟碑
 


enter image description here

 

明朝體
enter image description here
康熙字典
 




There are two print shapes that you will see in Japanese fonts:



enter image description here



The left hand shape applies to most* of the printed forms of the Jōyō kanji, of which「道」is a member. The right hand side is the orthodox print shape, and applies to all other kanji.



Regardless of whether the character is a Jōyō kanji or not, the handwritten shape (should) always look like this:



enter image description here



This is equivalent to taking the right hand print shape and merging the second and third strokes:



enter image description here




The reason why Japanese decided to apply the left hand print shape, and only to the Jōyō kanji, is rather convoluted, and not relevant to how you should learn handwriting. Just remember the handwriting shape, and make use of handwriting previews.






*The left hand print shape is no longer applicable for new kanji coming into the Jōyō kanji list. See the jisho.org entries for「謎」,「遡」, and「遜」, which are new (2010) Jōyō kanji and use the right hand (orthodox) print shape, but do not follow their stroke order diagrams, which are incorrect and caused by a severe misunderstanding about the structure of the left hand side of「⻍・⻌」.




enter image description here



This is incorrect; never write with both two dots and a curl. Either imitate the orthodox print shape (two dots and a straight vertical finish) or the handwriting shape (one dot and a curl).




As always, follow a handwriting font:



enter image description here






share|improve this answer


























  • You're right, I wanted to know why the handwritten shape was different. Thank you, now I know which form to use when writing it!

    – Ada
    7 hours ago














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6








6







I'm assuming that this is a question on the different shapes of the「⻍・⻌」component of「道」.




For reference, the glyph origin of「⻍・⻌」is shown below via the character「過」.「⻍・⻌」is a merger between「彳」and「止」;「止」eventually became drastically simplified, but「彳」still retains most of its structure in the print form, while slightly simplified in the handwritten form.




西周

enter image description here
過伯簋
集成3907


enter image description here
郭・語3
 


enter image description here
睡・效9
 
東{{kr:漢}}

enter image description here
華山廟碑
 


enter image description here

 

明朝體
enter image description here
康熙字典
 




There are two print shapes that you will see in Japanese fonts:



enter image description here



The left hand shape applies to most* of the printed forms of the Jōyō kanji, of which「道」is a member. The right hand side is the orthodox print shape, and applies to all other kanji.



Regardless of whether the character is a Jōyō kanji or not, the handwritten shape (should) always look like this:



enter image description here



This is equivalent to taking the right hand print shape and merging the second and third strokes:



enter image description here




The reason why Japanese decided to apply the left hand print shape, and only to the Jōyō kanji, is rather convoluted, and not relevant to how you should learn handwriting. Just remember the handwriting shape, and make use of handwriting previews.






*The left hand print shape is no longer applicable for new kanji coming into the Jōyō kanji list. See the jisho.org entries for「謎」,「遡」, and「遜」, which are new (2010) Jōyō kanji and use the right hand (orthodox) print shape, but do not follow their stroke order diagrams, which are incorrect and caused by a severe misunderstanding about the structure of the left hand side of「⻍・⻌」.




enter image description here



This is incorrect; never write with both two dots and a curl. Either imitate the orthodox print shape (two dots and a straight vertical finish) or the handwriting shape (one dot and a curl).




As always, follow a handwriting font:



enter image description here






share|improve this answer















I'm assuming that this is a question on the different shapes of the「⻍・⻌」component of「道」.




For reference, the glyph origin of「⻍・⻌」is shown below via the character「過」.「⻍・⻌」is a merger between「彳」and「止」;「止」eventually became drastically simplified, but「彳」still retains most of its structure in the print form, while slightly simplified in the handwritten form.




西周

enter image description here
過伯簋
集成3907


enter image description here
郭・語3
 


enter image description here
睡・效9
 
東{{kr:漢}}

enter image description here
華山廟碑
 


enter image description here

 

明朝體
enter image description here
康熙字典
 




There are two print shapes that you will see in Japanese fonts:



enter image description here



The left hand shape applies to most* of the printed forms of the Jōyō kanji, of which「道」is a member. The right hand side is the orthodox print shape, and applies to all other kanji.



Regardless of whether the character is a Jōyō kanji or not, the handwritten shape (should) always look like this:



enter image description here



This is equivalent to taking the right hand print shape and merging the second and third strokes:



enter image description here




The reason why Japanese decided to apply the left hand print shape, and only to the Jōyō kanji, is rather convoluted, and not relevant to how you should learn handwriting. Just remember the handwriting shape, and make use of handwriting previews.






*The left hand print shape is no longer applicable for new kanji coming into the Jōyō kanji list. See the jisho.org entries for「謎」,「遡」, and「遜」, which are new (2010) Jōyō kanji and use the right hand (orthodox) print shape, but do not follow their stroke order diagrams, which are incorrect and caused by a severe misunderstanding about the structure of the left hand side of「⻍・⻌」.




enter image description here



This is incorrect; never write with both two dots and a curl. Either imitate the orthodox print shape (two dots and a straight vertical finish) or the handwriting shape (one dot and a curl).




As always, follow a handwriting font:



enter image description here







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  • You're right, I wanted to know why the handwritten shape was different. Thank you, now I know which form to use when writing it!

    – Ada
    7 hours ago



















  • You're right, I wanted to know why the handwritten shape was different. Thank you, now I know which form to use when writing it!

    – Ada
    7 hours ago

















You're right, I wanted to know why the handwritten shape was different. Thank you, now I know which form to use when writing it!

– Ada
7 hours ago





You're right, I wanted to know why the handwritten shape was different. Thank you, now I know which form to use when writing it!

– Ada
7 hours ago











2














English/Latin letters have similar differences between hand-written and printed forms. (Think about how most people would write the letter 'a' or the number '4') Historically, many of the differences between type forms and hand-written forms come from the technology used for printing.



Obviously, hand-writing pre-dates printing, so the hand-written form came first (the 3-like part of 道). When characters were adapted to metal movable type the form was often modified to make the type easier to make, easier to read, last longer or print better. This is the case for the font shown on the website you referenced.



More information on the radical in question, "之繞{しんにょう}":



https://kakijun.jp/main/shin-nyu.html



This link supports what droooze mentions above, namely that the 3-like shape comes from merging the second and third strokes of an older form, which has 2 dots rather than 1. However, it also states that the 2-dot + curl form is "general", though not "correct".






share|improve this answer


























  • I would like to mention that I think my answer addresses why 之繞 looks the way it does in the print font questioned by the OP, whereas droooze's answer answers the OP from the other end, namely why the handwritten font looks the way that it does.

    – sazarando
    yesterday








  • 1





    Thank you for the link, very interesting read! It does make sense that they would simplify it, but it was also quite confusing.

    – Ada
    7 hours ago
















2














English/Latin letters have similar differences between hand-written and printed forms. (Think about how most people would write the letter 'a' or the number '4') Historically, many of the differences between type forms and hand-written forms come from the technology used for printing.



Obviously, hand-writing pre-dates printing, so the hand-written form came first (the 3-like part of 道). When characters were adapted to metal movable type the form was often modified to make the type easier to make, easier to read, last longer or print better. This is the case for the font shown on the website you referenced.



More information on the radical in question, "之繞{しんにょう}":



https://kakijun.jp/main/shin-nyu.html



This link supports what droooze mentions above, namely that the 3-like shape comes from merging the second and third strokes of an older form, which has 2 dots rather than 1. However, it also states that the 2-dot + curl form is "general", though not "correct".






share|improve this answer


























  • I would like to mention that I think my answer addresses why 之繞 looks the way it does in the print font questioned by the OP, whereas droooze's answer answers the OP from the other end, namely why the handwritten font looks the way that it does.

    – sazarando
    yesterday








  • 1





    Thank you for the link, very interesting read! It does make sense that they would simplify it, but it was also quite confusing.

    – Ada
    7 hours ago














2












2








2







English/Latin letters have similar differences between hand-written and printed forms. (Think about how most people would write the letter 'a' or the number '4') Historically, many of the differences between type forms and hand-written forms come from the technology used for printing.



Obviously, hand-writing pre-dates printing, so the hand-written form came first (the 3-like part of 道). When characters were adapted to metal movable type the form was often modified to make the type easier to make, easier to read, last longer or print better. This is the case for the font shown on the website you referenced.



More information on the radical in question, "之繞{しんにょう}":



https://kakijun.jp/main/shin-nyu.html



This link supports what droooze mentions above, namely that the 3-like shape comes from merging the second and third strokes of an older form, which has 2 dots rather than 1. However, it also states that the 2-dot + curl form is "general", though not "correct".






share|improve this answer















English/Latin letters have similar differences between hand-written and printed forms. (Think about how most people would write the letter 'a' or the number '4') Historically, many of the differences between type forms and hand-written forms come from the technology used for printing.



Obviously, hand-writing pre-dates printing, so the hand-written form came first (the 3-like part of 道). When characters were adapted to metal movable type the form was often modified to make the type easier to make, easier to read, last longer or print better. This is the case for the font shown on the website you referenced.



More information on the radical in question, "之繞{しんにょう}":



https://kakijun.jp/main/shin-nyu.html



This link supports what droooze mentions above, namely that the 3-like shape comes from merging the second and third strokes of an older form, which has 2 dots rather than 1. However, it also states that the 2-dot + curl form is "general", though not "correct".







share|improve this answer














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  • I would like to mention that I think my answer addresses why 之繞 looks the way it does in the print font questioned by the OP, whereas droooze's answer answers the OP from the other end, namely why the handwritten font looks the way that it does.

    – sazarando
    yesterday








  • 1





    Thank you for the link, very interesting read! It does make sense that they would simplify it, but it was also quite confusing.

    – Ada
    7 hours ago



















  • I would like to mention that I think my answer addresses why 之繞 looks the way it does in the print font questioned by the OP, whereas droooze's answer answers the OP from the other end, namely why the handwritten font looks the way that it does.

    – sazarando
    yesterday








  • 1





    Thank you for the link, very interesting read! It does make sense that they would simplify it, but it was also quite confusing.

    – Ada
    7 hours ago

















I would like to mention that I think my answer addresses why 之繞 looks the way it does in the print font questioned by the OP, whereas droooze's answer answers the OP from the other end, namely why the handwritten font looks the way that it does.

– sazarando
yesterday







I would like to mention that I think my answer addresses why 之繞 looks the way it does in the print font questioned by the OP, whereas droooze's answer answers the OP from the other end, namely why the handwritten font looks the way that it does.

– sazarando
yesterday






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1





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– Ada
7 hours ago





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– Ada
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