Were any external disk drives stacked vertically?












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There was a time when floppy disk drives were big, expensive devices that in many cases, instead of being components of a computer, would be separate machines connected by a cable, in some cases with their own CPU. A well-known example was the Commodore 1541, which had a similar CPU to the Commodore 64.



I personally only ever had one external drive, but when you look at photographs of setups with two drives (very desirable if you could afford it), they are always side-by-side, taking up an awful lot of desk space. Even the CBM 4040 dual drive, places the drives side-by-side in a single very wide case.



It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices that want to be wide rather than tall, the obvious solution would be to stack them vertically. Maybe this would result in each drive picking up heat and vibration from the other one, but if this was tolerable when they were stacked vertically in a PC tower case, why not for external drives?



Were external disk drives ever stacked vertically? If not, why not?










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    Since there is no reason to prefer any orientation, this question asks for opinions about design, thus not realy OT at all.

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    @Raffzahn and here we agree ;) Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down...

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    @tofro, "Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down" - And here, I will disagree, as upside-down is certainly a valid orientation for floppies. In fact, back in the day, I cut notches into quite a number of floppies so I could put them in upside-down and double my storage capacity.

    – Glen Yates
    Apr 4 at 21:03






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    Why not? Because racks are 19" wide :-)

    – another-dave
    Apr 4 at 22:19






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    @GlenYates I guess you turned the disk upside down and not the drive?

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    Apr 5 at 8:57
















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There was a time when floppy disk drives were big, expensive devices that in many cases, instead of being components of a computer, would be separate machines connected by a cable, in some cases with their own CPU. A well-known example was the Commodore 1541, which had a similar CPU to the Commodore 64.



I personally only ever had one external drive, but when you look at photographs of setups with two drives (very desirable if you could afford it), they are always side-by-side, taking up an awful lot of desk space. Even the CBM 4040 dual drive, places the drives side-by-side in a single very wide case.



It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices that want to be wide rather than tall, the obvious solution would be to stack them vertically. Maybe this would result in each drive picking up heat and vibration from the other one, but if this was tolerable when they were stacked vertically in a PC tower case, why not for external drives?



Were external disk drives ever stacked vertically? If not, why not?










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    Since there is no reason to prefer any orientation, this question asks for opinions about design, thus not realy OT at all.

    – Raffzahn
    Apr 4 at 15:35






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    @Raffzahn and here we agree ;) Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down...

    – tofro
    Apr 4 at 16:33








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    @tofro, "Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down" - And here, I will disagree, as upside-down is certainly a valid orientation for floppies. In fact, back in the day, I cut notches into quite a number of floppies so I could put them in upside-down and double my storage capacity.

    – Glen Yates
    Apr 4 at 21:03






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    Why not? Because racks are 19" wide :-)

    – another-dave
    Apr 4 at 22:19






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    @GlenYates I guess you turned the disk upside down and not the drive?

    – tofro
    Apr 5 at 8:57














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There was a time when floppy disk drives were big, expensive devices that in many cases, instead of being components of a computer, would be separate machines connected by a cable, in some cases with their own CPU. A well-known example was the Commodore 1541, which had a similar CPU to the Commodore 64.



I personally only ever had one external drive, but when you look at photographs of setups with two drives (very desirable if you could afford it), they are always side-by-side, taking up an awful lot of desk space. Even the CBM 4040 dual drive, places the drives side-by-side in a single very wide case.



It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices that want to be wide rather than tall, the obvious solution would be to stack them vertically. Maybe this would result in each drive picking up heat and vibration from the other one, but if this was tolerable when they were stacked vertically in a PC tower case, why not for external drives?



Were external disk drives ever stacked vertically? If not, why not?










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There was a time when floppy disk drives were big, expensive devices that in many cases, instead of being components of a computer, would be separate machines connected by a cable, in some cases with their own CPU. A well-known example was the Commodore 1541, which had a similar CPU to the Commodore 64.



I personally only ever had one external drive, but when you look at photographs of setups with two drives (very desirable if you could afford it), they are always side-by-side, taking up an awful lot of desk space. Even the CBM 4040 dual drive, places the drives side-by-side in a single very wide case.



It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices that want to be wide rather than tall, the obvious solution would be to stack them vertically. Maybe this would result in each drive picking up heat and vibration from the other one, but if this was tolerable when they were stacked vertically in a PC tower case, why not for external drives?



Were external disk drives ever stacked vertically? If not, why not?







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    Since there is no reason to prefer any orientation, this question asks for opinions about design, thus not realy OT at all.

    – Raffzahn
    Apr 4 at 15:35






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    @Raffzahn and here we agree ;) Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down...

    – tofro
    Apr 4 at 16:33








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    @tofro, "Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down" - And here, I will disagree, as upside-down is certainly a valid orientation for floppies. In fact, back in the day, I cut notches into quite a number of floppies so I could put them in upside-down and double my storage capacity.

    – Glen Yates
    Apr 4 at 21:03






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    Why not? Because racks are 19" wide :-)

    – another-dave
    Apr 4 at 22:19






  • 2





    @GlenYates I guess you turned the disk upside down and not the drive?

    – tofro
    Apr 5 at 8:57














  • 2





    Since there is no reason to prefer any orientation, this question asks for opinions about design, thus not realy OT at all.

    – Raffzahn
    Apr 4 at 15:35






  • 3





    @Raffzahn and here we agree ;) Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down...

    – tofro
    Apr 4 at 16:33








  • 3





    @tofro, "Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down" - And here, I will disagree, as upside-down is certainly a valid orientation for floppies. In fact, back in the day, I cut notches into quite a number of floppies so I could put them in upside-down and double my storage capacity.

    – Glen Yates
    Apr 4 at 21:03






  • 1





    Why not? Because racks are 19" wide :-)

    – another-dave
    Apr 4 at 22:19






  • 2





    @GlenYates I guess you turned the disk upside down and not the drive?

    – tofro
    Apr 5 at 8:57








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Since there is no reason to prefer any orientation, this question asks for opinions about design, thus not realy OT at all.

– Raffzahn
Apr 4 at 15:35





Since there is no reason to prefer any orientation, this question asks for opinions about design, thus not realy OT at all.

– Raffzahn
Apr 4 at 15:35




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@Raffzahn and here we agree ;) Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down...

– tofro
Apr 4 at 16:33







@Raffzahn and here we agree ;) Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down...

– tofro
Apr 4 at 16:33






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@tofro, "Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down" - And here, I will disagree, as upside-down is certainly a valid orientation for floppies. In fact, back in the day, I cut notches into quite a number of floppies so I could put them in upside-down and double my storage capacity.

– Glen Yates
Apr 4 at 21:03





@tofro, "Any orientation is allowed on floppies except upside-down" - And here, I will disagree, as upside-down is certainly a valid orientation for floppies. In fact, back in the day, I cut notches into quite a number of floppies so I could put them in upside-down and double my storage capacity.

– Glen Yates
Apr 4 at 21:03




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Why not? Because racks are 19" wide :-)

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Why not? Because racks are 19" wide :-)

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Apr 4 at 22:19




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@GlenYates I guess you turned the disk upside down and not the drive?

– tofro
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@GlenYates I guess you turned the disk upside down and not the drive?

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It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices that want to be wide rather than tall,




To me they are taller than wide. After all, that's as well the orientation IBM did put the very first drive, so anything else is plain wrong, isn't it :))




the obvious solution would be to stack them vertically.




That's pure opinion and up to the designer how he imagines a drive to look best or fit best. The drives itself work in any orientation with any angle equally well.




It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices




As said before, they are not, they work in any orientation. At least as long as we talk about the technology. If at all, any orientation can come from ball bearing involved. Except, for simple low speed application next to any standard bearing will offer the needed support strength - if that drive has one at all.




Were external disk drives ever stacked vertically?




It has been used in any kombination you may thing of.




  • Horizontal side by side like in a DEC RX01/02 - as that will need less HE in a rack


enter image description here




  • Horizontal above each other like the Atari 815


enter image description here




  • Vertical side by side like IBM's 6330 8" drive


enter image description here




  • Vertical above each other (Again DEC computers)


(Still looking for the right picture)




  • Or even both like with a Heathkit H17 case where two dives were mounted horizontal side by side, but when a third drive got added they where turned vertical to fit the case.


enter image description hereenter image description here




  • Heck, they where even Computers mouting them both way at the same time:


enter image description here




  • And then there was the DEC RX-50 dual drive, used in PCs to be placed either as desktop (with the drive horizontal) or tower (now vertical), whatever fits the desk.


enter image description here



enter image description hereenter image description here






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    I'm disappointed to see that you've not included any examples of them being oriented vertically and then stacked on top of each other

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    @Valorum I'm so sorry, there is a DEC machine doing exactly this, but I couldn't find any worthwhile picture so far. Shame on me.

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    The Vobis one designed by Colani still makes me uncomfortable

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    @Valorum, Those last two computers (they look like Rainbow 100A to me); the ones pictured are fitted with a hard drive and a dual floppy, but could be fitted instead with two dual floppy drives (i.e. four floppy drives) stacked in the same configuration you mention.

    – Wilson
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    @Valorum This case albeit relatively modern, and for internal drives, has three drives, vertically orientated, mounted atop one another!

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Yes; this was standard procedure for at least the BBC Micro:



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Including for third-party drives:



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Presumably because two drives arranged that way were only just taller than the machine itself:



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    To my mind, the initial reason for stacking two half-height 5 1/4" drives on top of one another like that was because they take up the same space as a single full-height drive. Compare the BBC-branded AND02 twin half-height drives in your third photo with the AND-01 single full-height drive pictured at chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/8bit_Upgrades/… . They appear to have used the exact same outer casing for both models.

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    Though it should also be noted that some drive sets for the BBC Micros put the drives side-by side, see chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/Master512.html and chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/BBCBI3.html

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  1. I don't think your claim that never happened is generally true

  2. It makes a lot of sense to put drives side by side when you want to place the drive set between computer and CRT (like many Apple users did). That wouldn't work well with stacks.

  3. Especially twin 3 1/2" drives were very often sold as vertical stacks. But some vendors also did the same with the larger drive sets

  4. If you look at earlier drives, 2 x 5 1/4 full-height drives stacked on top of the other really would be awkward to handle (but, see here) - that simply looks clunky.


Other than that, I don't see a technical reason why you wouldn't want to stack drives on top of the others. The frames of 5 1/4 drives are mostly aluminium castings, so stable enough to stack, and heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives.



German Wikipedia seems to know how to stack Commodore 4040 drives as well. You simply need to have enough of them ;)






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    "Heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives." That's true but the power supply generates heat.

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    @traal but you won't stack the power supply?

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  • On the top or the bottom? Passive or active cooling?

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One configuration I think Raffzahn missed so far was two independent drives stacked on top of each other. That was the recommended method for multiple Amstrad 3" drives:
amstrad cpc464



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    In the TRS-80 Model I and Model II ecosystems, floppy drives normally had the disk oriented vertically. This made the drives "tall rather than wide", and placing multiple drives side-by-side worked well.
    enter image description here



    In the Model III, two horizontal drives were stacked vertically in the main housing, to the right of the CRT (and above the numeric keypad).



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      While interesting, this is not really an answer to the question

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    Yes, of course external disk drives were often stacked. The LaCie 'Joule' external
    disk tower was a vertical stack/rack for drive modules,depicted here and many
    external disk cases were given interlocking features (feet or molded plastic
    shapes that would keep a stacked unit from sliding off).






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    • those don't seem to be floppies, though.

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    • Until USB came along, no Mac supported multiple externals except SCSI (usually hard disks, optical, or super-floppy); there was only a connector for a single floppy external, so no stacking issue there.

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    • the question wasn't limited to Macs, though

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    • @scruss The answer isn't limited to Macs, either; SCSI allowed a half dozen externals, or more, on any suitably equipped computers; SGI, DEC, Sun, IBM, all had SCSI externals.

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    It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices that want to be wide rather than tall,




    To me they are taller than wide. After all, that's as well the orientation IBM did put the very first drive, so anything else is plain wrong, isn't it :))




    the obvious solution would be to stack them vertically.




    That's pure opinion and up to the designer how he imagines a drive to look best or fit best. The drives itself work in any orientation with any angle equally well.




    It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices




    As said before, they are not, they work in any orientation. At least as long as we talk about the technology. If at all, any orientation can come from ball bearing involved. Except, for simple low speed application next to any standard bearing will offer the needed support strength - if that drive has one at all.




    Were external disk drives ever stacked vertically?




    It has been used in any kombination you may thing of.




    • Horizontal side by side like in a DEC RX01/02 - as that will need less HE in a rack


    enter image description here




    • Horizontal above each other like the Atari 815


    enter image description here




    • Vertical side by side like IBM's 6330 8" drive


    enter image description here




    • Vertical above each other (Again DEC computers)


    (Still looking for the right picture)




    • Or even both like with a Heathkit H17 case where two dives were mounted horizontal side by side, but when a third drive got added they where turned vertical to fit the case.


    enter image description hereenter image description here




    • Heck, they where even Computers mouting them both way at the same time:


    enter image description here




    • And then there was the DEC RX-50 dual drive, used in PCs to be placed either as desktop (with the drive horizontal) or tower (now vertical), whatever fits the desk.


    enter image description here



    enter image description hereenter image description here






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      I'm disappointed to see that you've not included any examples of them being oriented vertically and then stacked on top of each other

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      Apr 4 at 22:54








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      @Valorum I'm so sorry, there is a DEC machine doing exactly this, but I couldn't find any worthwhile picture so far. Shame on me.

      – Raffzahn
      Apr 4 at 23:01






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      The Vobis one designed by Colani still makes me uncomfortable

      – Lars Beck
      Apr 5 at 7:27






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      @Valorum, Those last two computers (they look like Rainbow 100A to me); the ones pictured are fitted with a hard drive and a dual floppy, but could be fitted instead with two dual floppy drives (i.e. four floppy drives) stacked in the same configuration you mention.

      – Wilson
      Apr 5 at 7:44






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      @Valorum This case albeit relatively modern, and for internal drives, has three drives, vertically orientated, mounted atop one another!

      – TripeHound
      Apr 5 at 12:37
















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    It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices that want to be wide rather than tall,




    To me they are taller than wide. After all, that's as well the orientation IBM did put the very first drive, so anything else is plain wrong, isn't it :))




    the obvious solution would be to stack them vertically.




    That's pure opinion and up to the designer how he imagines a drive to look best or fit best. The drives itself work in any orientation with any angle equally well.




    It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices




    As said before, they are not, they work in any orientation. At least as long as we talk about the technology. If at all, any orientation can come from ball bearing involved. Except, for simple low speed application next to any standard bearing will offer the needed support strength - if that drive has one at all.




    Were external disk drives ever stacked vertically?




    It has been used in any kombination you may thing of.




    • Horizontal side by side like in a DEC RX01/02 - as that will need less HE in a rack


    enter image description here




    • Horizontal above each other like the Atari 815


    enter image description here




    • Vertical side by side like IBM's 6330 8" drive


    enter image description here




    • Vertical above each other (Again DEC computers)


    (Still looking for the right picture)




    • Or even both like with a Heathkit H17 case where two dives were mounted horizontal side by side, but when a third drive got added they where turned vertical to fit the case.


    enter image description hereenter image description here




    • Heck, they where even Computers mouting them both way at the same time:


    enter image description here




    • And then there was the DEC RX-50 dual drive, used in PCs to be placed either as desktop (with the drive horizontal) or tower (now vertical), whatever fits the desk.


    enter image description here



    enter image description hereenter image description here






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      I'm disappointed to see that you've not included any examples of them being oriented vertically and then stacked on top of each other

      – Valorum
      Apr 4 at 22:54








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      @Valorum I'm so sorry, there is a DEC machine doing exactly this, but I couldn't find any worthwhile picture so far. Shame on me.

      – Raffzahn
      Apr 4 at 23:01






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      The Vobis one designed by Colani still makes me uncomfortable

      – Lars Beck
      Apr 5 at 7:27






    • 1





      @Valorum, Those last two computers (they look like Rainbow 100A to me); the ones pictured are fitted with a hard drive and a dual floppy, but could be fitted instead with two dual floppy drives (i.e. four floppy drives) stacked in the same configuration you mention.

      – Wilson
      Apr 5 at 7:44






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      @Valorum This case albeit relatively modern, and for internal drives, has three drives, vertically orientated, mounted atop one another!

      – TripeHound
      Apr 5 at 12:37














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    It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices that want to be wide rather than tall,




    To me they are taller than wide. After all, that's as well the orientation IBM did put the very first drive, so anything else is plain wrong, isn't it :))




    the obvious solution would be to stack them vertically.




    That's pure opinion and up to the designer how he imagines a drive to look best or fit best. The drives itself work in any orientation with any angle equally well.




    It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices




    As said before, they are not, they work in any orientation. At least as long as we talk about the technology. If at all, any orientation can come from ball bearing involved. Except, for simple low speed application next to any standard bearing will offer the needed support strength - if that drive has one at all.




    Were external disk drives ever stacked vertically?




    It has been used in any kombination you may thing of.




    • Horizontal side by side like in a DEC RX01/02 - as that will need less HE in a rack


    enter image description here




    • Horizontal above each other like the Atari 815


    enter image description here




    • Vertical side by side like IBM's 6330 8" drive


    enter image description here




    • Vertical above each other (Again DEC computers)


    (Still looking for the right picture)




    • Or even both like with a Heathkit H17 case where two dives were mounted horizontal side by side, but when a third drive got added they where turned vertical to fit the case.


    enter image description hereenter image description here




    • Heck, they where even Computers mouting them both way at the same time:


    enter image description here




    • And then there was the DEC RX-50 dual drive, used in PCs to be placed either as desktop (with the drive horizontal) or tower (now vertical), whatever fits the desk.


    enter image description here



    enter image description hereenter image description here






    share|improve this answer
















    It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices that want to be wide rather than tall,




    To me they are taller than wide. After all, that's as well the orientation IBM did put the very first drive, so anything else is plain wrong, isn't it :))




    the obvious solution would be to stack them vertically.




    That's pure opinion and up to the designer how he imagines a drive to look best or fit best. The drives itself work in any orientation with any angle equally well.




    It seems to me that since disk drives are fundamentally horizontal devices




    As said before, they are not, they work in any orientation. At least as long as we talk about the technology. If at all, any orientation can come from ball bearing involved. Except, for simple low speed application next to any standard bearing will offer the needed support strength - if that drive has one at all.




    Were external disk drives ever stacked vertically?




    It has been used in any kombination you may thing of.




    • Horizontal side by side like in a DEC RX01/02 - as that will need less HE in a rack


    enter image description here




    • Horizontal above each other like the Atari 815


    enter image description here




    • Vertical side by side like IBM's 6330 8" drive


    enter image description here




    • Vertical above each other (Again DEC computers)


    (Still looking for the right picture)




    • Or even both like with a Heathkit H17 case where two dives were mounted horizontal side by side, but when a third drive got added they where turned vertical to fit the case.


    enter image description hereenter image description here




    • Heck, they where even Computers mouting them both way at the same time:


    enter image description here




    • And then there was the DEC RX-50 dual drive, used in PCs to be placed either as desktop (with the drive horizontal) or tower (now vertical), whatever fits the desk.


    enter image description here



    enter image description hereenter image description here







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      I'm disappointed to see that you've not included any examples of them being oriented vertically and then stacked on top of each other

      – Valorum
      Apr 4 at 22:54








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      @Valorum I'm so sorry, there is a DEC machine doing exactly this, but I couldn't find any worthwhile picture so far. Shame on me.

      – Raffzahn
      Apr 4 at 23:01






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      The Vobis one designed by Colani still makes me uncomfortable

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      Apr 5 at 7:27






    • 1





      @Valorum, Those last two computers (they look like Rainbow 100A to me); the ones pictured are fitted with a hard drive and a dual floppy, but could be fitted instead with two dual floppy drives (i.e. four floppy drives) stacked in the same configuration you mention.

      – Wilson
      Apr 5 at 7:44






    • 1





      @Valorum This case albeit relatively modern, and for internal drives, has three drives, vertically orientated, mounted atop one another!

      – TripeHound
      Apr 5 at 12:37














    • 2





      I'm disappointed to see that you've not included any examples of them being oriented vertically and then stacked on top of each other

      – Valorum
      Apr 4 at 22:54








    • 4





      @Valorum I'm so sorry, there is a DEC machine doing exactly this, but I couldn't find any worthwhile picture so far. Shame on me.

      – Raffzahn
      Apr 4 at 23:01






    • 1





      The Vobis one designed by Colani still makes me uncomfortable

      – Lars Beck
      Apr 5 at 7:27






    • 1





      @Valorum, Those last two computers (they look like Rainbow 100A to me); the ones pictured are fitted with a hard drive and a dual floppy, but could be fitted instead with two dual floppy drives (i.e. four floppy drives) stacked in the same configuration you mention.

      – Wilson
      Apr 5 at 7:44






    • 1





      @Valorum This case albeit relatively modern, and for internal drives, has three drives, vertically orientated, mounted atop one another!

      – TripeHound
      Apr 5 at 12:37








    2




    2





    I'm disappointed to see that you've not included any examples of them being oriented vertically and then stacked on top of each other

    – Valorum
    Apr 4 at 22:54







    I'm disappointed to see that you've not included any examples of them being oriented vertically and then stacked on top of each other

    – Valorum
    Apr 4 at 22:54






    4




    4





    @Valorum I'm so sorry, there is a DEC machine doing exactly this, but I couldn't find any worthwhile picture so far. Shame on me.

    – Raffzahn
    Apr 4 at 23:01





    @Valorum I'm so sorry, there is a DEC machine doing exactly this, but I couldn't find any worthwhile picture so far. Shame on me.

    – Raffzahn
    Apr 4 at 23:01




    1




    1





    The Vobis one designed by Colani still makes me uncomfortable

    – Lars Beck
    Apr 5 at 7:27





    The Vobis one designed by Colani still makes me uncomfortable

    – Lars Beck
    Apr 5 at 7:27




    1




    1





    @Valorum, Those last two computers (they look like Rainbow 100A to me); the ones pictured are fitted with a hard drive and a dual floppy, but could be fitted instead with two dual floppy drives (i.e. four floppy drives) stacked in the same configuration you mention.

    – Wilson
    Apr 5 at 7:44





    @Valorum, Those last two computers (they look like Rainbow 100A to me); the ones pictured are fitted with a hard drive and a dual floppy, but could be fitted instead with two dual floppy drives (i.e. four floppy drives) stacked in the same configuration you mention.

    – Wilson
    Apr 5 at 7:44




    1




    1





    @Valorum This case albeit relatively modern, and for internal drives, has three drives, vertically orientated, mounted atop one another!

    – TripeHound
    Apr 5 at 12:37





    @Valorum This case albeit relatively modern, and for internal drives, has three drives, vertically orientated, mounted atop one another!

    – TripeHound
    Apr 5 at 12:37











    11














    Yes; this was standard procedure for at least the BBC Micro:



    enter image description here



    Including for third-party drives:



    enter image description here



    Presumably because two drives arranged that way were only just taller than the machine itself:



    enter image description here






    share|improve this answer



















    • 2





      To my mind, the initial reason for stacking two half-height 5 1/4" drives on top of one another like that was because they take up the same space as a single full-height drive. Compare the BBC-branded AND02 twin half-height drives in your third photo with the AND-01 single full-height drive pictured at chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/8bit_Upgrades/… . They appear to have used the exact same outer casing for both models.

      – Kaz
      Apr 4 at 17:31






    • 2





      Though it should also be noted that some drive sets for the BBC Micros put the drives side-by side, see chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/Master512.html and chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/BBCBI3.html

      – Kaz
      Apr 4 at 17:35
















    11














    Yes; this was standard procedure for at least the BBC Micro:



    enter image description here



    Including for third-party drives:



    enter image description here



    Presumably because two drives arranged that way were only just taller than the machine itself:



    enter image description here






    share|improve this answer



















    • 2





      To my mind, the initial reason for stacking two half-height 5 1/4" drives on top of one another like that was because they take up the same space as a single full-height drive. Compare the BBC-branded AND02 twin half-height drives in your third photo with the AND-01 single full-height drive pictured at chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/8bit_Upgrades/… . They appear to have used the exact same outer casing for both models.

      – Kaz
      Apr 4 at 17:31






    • 2





      Though it should also be noted that some drive sets for the BBC Micros put the drives side-by side, see chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/Master512.html and chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/BBCBI3.html

      – Kaz
      Apr 4 at 17:35














    11












    11








    11







    Yes; this was standard procedure for at least the BBC Micro:



    enter image description here



    Including for third-party drives:



    enter image description here



    Presumably because two drives arranged that way were only just taller than the machine itself:



    enter image description here






    share|improve this answer













    Yes; this was standard procedure for at least the BBC Micro:



    enter image description here



    Including for third-party drives:



    enter image description here



    Presumably because two drives arranged that way were only just taller than the machine itself:



    enter image description here







    share|improve this answer












    share|improve this answer



    share|improve this answer










    answered Apr 4 at 15:31









    TommyTommy

    16.2k14780




    16.2k14780








    • 2





      To my mind, the initial reason for stacking two half-height 5 1/4" drives on top of one another like that was because they take up the same space as a single full-height drive. Compare the BBC-branded AND02 twin half-height drives in your third photo with the AND-01 single full-height drive pictured at chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/8bit_Upgrades/… . They appear to have used the exact same outer casing for both models.

      – Kaz
      Apr 4 at 17:31






    • 2





      Though it should also be noted that some drive sets for the BBC Micros put the drives side-by side, see chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/Master512.html and chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/BBCBI3.html

      – Kaz
      Apr 4 at 17:35














    • 2





      To my mind, the initial reason for stacking two half-height 5 1/4" drives on top of one another like that was because they take up the same space as a single full-height drive. Compare the BBC-branded AND02 twin half-height drives in your third photo with the AND-01 single full-height drive pictured at chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/8bit_Upgrades/… . They appear to have used the exact same outer casing for both models.

      – Kaz
      Apr 4 at 17:31






    • 2





      Though it should also be noted that some drive sets for the BBC Micros put the drives side-by side, see chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/Master512.html and chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/BBCBI3.html

      – Kaz
      Apr 4 at 17:35








    2




    2





    To my mind, the initial reason for stacking two half-height 5 1/4" drives on top of one another like that was because they take up the same space as a single full-height drive. Compare the BBC-branded AND02 twin half-height drives in your third photo with the AND-01 single full-height drive pictured at chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/8bit_Upgrades/… . They appear to have used the exact same outer casing for both models.

    – Kaz
    Apr 4 at 17:31





    To my mind, the initial reason for stacking two half-height 5 1/4" drives on top of one another like that was because they take up the same space as a single full-height drive. Compare the BBC-branded AND02 twin half-height drives in your third photo with the AND-01 single full-height drive pictured at chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/8bit_Upgrades/… . They appear to have used the exact same outer casing for both models.

    – Kaz
    Apr 4 at 17:31




    2




    2





    Though it should also be noted that some drive sets for the BBC Micros put the drives side-by side, see chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/Master512.html and chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/BBCBI3.html

    – Kaz
    Apr 4 at 17:35





    Though it should also be noted that some drive sets for the BBC Micros put the drives side-by side, see chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/Master512.html and chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/BBCBI3.html

    – Kaz
    Apr 4 at 17:35











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    1. I don't think your claim that never happened is generally true

    2. It makes a lot of sense to put drives side by side when you want to place the drive set between computer and CRT (like many Apple users did). That wouldn't work well with stacks.

    3. Especially twin 3 1/2" drives were very often sold as vertical stacks. But some vendors also did the same with the larger drive sets

    4. If you look at earlier drives, 2 x 5 1/4 full-height drives stacked on top of the other really would be awkward to handle (but, see here) - that simply looks clunky.


    Other than that, I don't see a technical reason why you wouldn't want to stack drives on top of the others. The frames of 5 1/4 drives are mostly aluminium castings, so stable enough to stack, and heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives.



    German Wikipedia seems to know how to stack Commodore 4040 drives as well. You simply need to have enough of them ;)






    share|improve this answer





















    • 1





      "Heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives." That's true but the power supply generates heat.

      – snips-n-snails
      Apr 4 at 18:36






    • 1





      @traal but you won't stack the power supply?

      – tofro
      Apr 4 at 18:38











    • On the top or the bottom? Passive or active cooling?

      – snips-n-snails
      Apr 4 at 18:53
















    6















    1. I don't think your claim that never happened is generally true

    2. It makes a lot of sense to put drives side by side when you want to place the drive set between computer and CRT (like many Apple users did). That wouldn't work well with stacks.

    3. Especially twin 3 1/2" drives were very often sold as vertical stacks. But some vendors also did the same with the larger drive sets

    4. If you look at earlier drives, 2 x 5 1/4 full-height drives stacked on top of the other really would be awkward to handle (but, see here) - that simply looks clunky.


    Other than that, I don't see a technical reason why you wouldn't want to stack drives on top of the others. The frames of 5 1/4 drives are mostly aluminium castings, so stable enough to stack, and heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives.



    German Wikipedia seems to know how to stack Commodore 4040 drives as well. You simply need to have enough of them ;)






    share|improve this answer





















    • 1





      "Heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives." That's true but the power supply generates heat.

      – snips-n-snails
      Apr 4 at 18:36






    • 1





      @traal but you won't stack the power supply?

      – tofro
      Apr 4 at 18:38











    • On the top or the bottom? Passive or active cooling?

      – snips-n-snails
      Apr 4 at 18:53














    6












    6








    6








    1. I don't think your claim that never happened is generally true

    2. It makes a lot of sense to put drives side by side when you want to place the drive set between computer and CRT (like many Apple users did). That wouldn't work well with stacks.

    3. Especially twin 3 1/2" drives were very often sold as vertical stacks. But some vendors also did the same with the larger drive sets

    4. If you look at earlier drives, 2 x 5 1/4 full-height drives stacked on top of the other really would be awkward to handle (but, see here) - that simply looks clunky.


    Other than that, I don't see a technical reason why you wouldn't want to stack drives on top of the others. The frames of 5 1/4 drives are mostly aluminium castings, so stable enough to stack, and heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives.



    German Wikipedia seems to know how to stack Commodore 4040 drives as well. You simply need to have enough of them ;)






    share|improve this answer
















    1. I don't think your claim that never happened is generally true

    2. It makes a lot of sense to put drives side by side when you want to place the drive set between computer and CRT (like many Apple users did). That wouldn't work well with stacks.

    3. Especially twin 3 1/2" drives were very often sold as vertical stacks. But some vendors also did the same with the larger drive sets

    4. If you look at earlier drives, 2 x 5 1/4 full-height drives stacked on top of the other really would be awkward to handle (but, see here) - that simply looks clunky.


    Other than that, I don't see a technical reason why you wouldn't want to stack drives on top of the others. The frames of 5 1/4 drives are mostly aluminium castings, so stable enough to stack, and heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives.



    German Wikipedia seems to know how to stack Commodore 4040 drives as well. You simply need to have enough of them ;)







    share|improve this answer














    share|improve this answer



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    edited Apr 4 at 14:23

























    answered Apr 4 at 13:51









    tofrotofro

    16.9k33597




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    • 1





      "Heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives." That's true but the power supply generates heat.

      – snips-n-snails
      Apr 4 at 18:36






    • 1





      @traal but you won't stack the power supply?

      – tofro
      Apr 4 at 18:38











    • On the top or the bottom? Passive or active cooling?

      – snips-n-snails
      Apr 4 at 18:53














    • 1





      "Heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives." That's true but the power supply generates heat.

      – snips-n-snails
      Apr 4 at 18:36






    • 1





      @traal but you won't stack the power supply?

      – tofro
      Apr 4 at 18:38











    • On the top or the bottom? Passive or active cooling?

      – snips-n-snails
      Apr 4 at 18:53








    1




    1





    "Heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives." That's true but the power supply generates heat.

    – snips-n-snails
    Apr 4 at 18:36





    "Heat really shouldn't be a problem with floppy drives." That's true but the power supply generates heat.

    – snips-n-snails
    Apr 4 at 18:36




    1




    1





    @traal but you won't stack the power supply?

    – tofro
    Apr 4 at 18:38





    @traal but you won't stack the power supply?

    – tofro
    Apr 4 at 18:38













    On the top or the bottom? Passive or active cooling?

    – snips-n-snails
    Apr 4 at 18:53





    On the top or the bottom? Passive or active cooling?

    – snips-n-snails
    Apr 4 at 18:53











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    One configuration I think Raffzahn missed so far was two independent drives stacked on top of each other. That was the recommended method for multiple Amstrad 3" drives:
    amstrad cpc464



    (Image source: Gallery - Category: CPC464 - Image: CPC464 (b) setup - Roland in the caves)






    share|improve this answer




























      5














      One configuration I think Raffzahn missed so far was two independent drives stacked on top of each other. That was the recommended method for multiple Amstrad 3" drives:
      amstrad cpc464



      (Image source: Gallery - Category: CPC464 - Image: CPC464 (b) setup - Roland in the caves)






      share|improve this answer


























        5












        5








        5







        One configuration I think Raffzahn missed so far was two independent drives stacked on top of each other. That was the recommended method for multiple Amstrad 3" drives:
        amstrad cpc464



        (Image source: Gallery - Category: CPC464 - Image: CPC464 (b) setup - Roland in the caves)






        share|improve this answer













        One configuration I think Raffzahn missed so far was two independent drives stacked on top of each other. That was the recommended method for multiple Amstrad 3" drives:
        amstrad cpc464



        (Image source: Gallery - Category: CPC464 - Image: CPC464 (b) setup - Roland in the caves)







        share|improve this answer












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        answered Apr 5 at 3:29









        scrussscruss

        7,53611450




        7,53611450























            4














            In the TRS-80 Model I and Model II ecosystems, floppy drives normally had the disk oriented vertically. This made the drives "tall rather than wide", and placing multiple drives side-by-side worked well.
            enter image description here



            In the Model III, two horizontal drives were stacked vertically in the main housing, to the right of the CRT (and above the numeric keypad).



            Model III






            share|improve this answer





















            • 1





              While interesting, this is not really an answer to the question

              – tofro
              Apr 7 at 7:29
















            4














            In the TRS-80 Model I and Model II ecosystems, floppy drives normally had the disk oriented vertically. This made the drives "tall rather than wide", and placing multiple drives side-by-side worked well.
            enter image description here



            In the Model III, two horizontal drives were stacked vertically in the main housing, to the right of the CRT (and above the numeric keypad).



            Model III






            share|improve this answer





















            • 1





              While interesting, this is not really an answer to the question

              – tofro
              Apr 7 at 7:29














            4












            4








            4







            In the TRS-80 Model I and Model II ecosystems, floppy drives normally had the disk oriented vertically. This made the drives "tall rather than wide", and placing multiple drives side-by-side worked well.
            enter image description here



            In the Model III, two horizontal drives were stacked vertically in the main housing, to the right of the CRT (and above the numeric keypad).



            Model III






            share|improve this answer















            In the TRS-80 Model I and Model II ecosystems, floppy drives normally had the disk oriented vertically. This made the drives "tall rather than wide", and placing multiple drives side-by-side worked well.
            enter image description here



            In the Model III, two horizontal drives were stacked vertically in the main housing, to the right of the CRT (and above the numeric keypad).



            Model III







            share|improve this answer














            share|improve this answer



            share|improve this answer








            edited Apr 8 at 15:07

























            answered Apr 4 at 15:43









            jeffBjeffB

            71828




            71828








            • 1





              While interesting, this is not really an answer to the question

              – tofro
              Apr 7 at 7:29














            • 1





              While interesting, this is not really an answer to the question

              – tofro
              Apr 7 at 7:29








            1




            1





            While interesting, this is not really an answer to the question

            – tofro
            Apr 7 at 7:29





            While interesting, this is not really an answer to the question

            – tofro
            Apr 7 at 7:29











            2














            Yes, of course external disk drives were often stacked. The LaCie 'Joule' external
            disk tower was a vertical stack/rack for drive modules,depicted here and many
            external disk cases were given interlocking features (feet or molded plastic
            shapes that would keep a stacked unit from sliding off).






            share|improve this answer
























            • those don't seem to be floppies, though.

              – scruss
              Apr 8 at 15:54











            • Until USB came along, no Mac supported multiple externals except SCSI (usually hard disks, optical, or super-floppy); there was only a connector for a single floppy external, so no stacking issue there.

              – Whit3rd
              Apr 8 at 21:29











            • the question wasn't limited to Macs, though

              – scruss
              Apr 8 at 22:24











            • @scruss The answer isn't limited to Macs, either; SCSI allowed a half dozen externals, or more, on any suitably equipped computers; SGI, DEC, Sun, IBM, all had SCSI externals.

              – Whit3rd
              Apr 9 at 6:01


















            2














            Yes, of course external disk drives were often stacked. The LaCie 'Joule' external
            disk tower was a vertical stack/rack for drive modules,depicted here and many
            external disk cases were given interlocking features (feet or molded plastic
            shapes that would keep a stacked unit from sliding off).






            share|improve this answer
























            • those don't seem to be floppies, though.

              – scruss
              Apr 8 at 15:54











            • Until USB came along, no Mac supported multiple externals except SCSI (usually hard disks, optical, or super-floppy); there was only a connector for a single floppy external, so no stacking issue there.

              – Whit3rd
              Apr 8 at 21:29











            • the question wasn't limited to Macs, though

              – scruss
              Apr 8 at 22:24











            • @scruss The answer isn't limited to Macs, either; SCSI allowed a half dozen externals, or more, on any suitably equipped computers; SGI, DEC, Sun, IBM, all had SCSI externals.

              – Whit3rd
              Apr 9 at 6:01
















            2












            2








            2







            Yes, of course external disk drives were often stacked. The LaCie 'Joule' external
            disk tower was a vertical stack/rack for drive modules,depicted here and many
            external disk cases were given interlocking features (feet or molded plastic
            shapes that would keep a stacked unit from sliding off).






            share|improve this answer













            Yes, of course external disk drives were often stacked. The LaCie 'Joule' external
            disk tower was a vertical stack/rack for drive modules,depicted here and many
            external disk cases were given interlocking features (feet or molded plastic
            shapes that would keep a stacked unit from sliding off).







            share|improve this answer












            share|improve this answer



            share|improve this answer










            answered Apr 5 at 10:02









            Whit3rdWhit3rd

            1,01828




            1,01828













            • those don't seem to be floppies, though.

              – scruss
              Apr 8 at 15:54











            • Until USB came along, no Mac supported multiple externals except SCSI (usually hard disks, optical, or super-floppy); there was only a connector for a single floppy external, so no stacking issue there.

              – Whit3rd
              Apr 8 at 21:29











            • the question wasn't limited to Macs, though

              – scruss
              Apr 8 at 22:24











            • @scruss The answer isn't limited to Macs, either; SCSI allowed a half dozen externals, or more, on any suitably equipped computers; SGI, DEC, Sun, IBM, all had SCSI externals.

              – Whit3rd
              Apr 9 at 6:01





















            • those don't seem to be floppies, though.

              – scruss
              Apr 8 at 15:54











            • Until USB came along, no Mac supported multiple externals except SCSI (usually hard disks, optical, or super-floppy); there was only a connector for a single floppy external, so no stacking issue there.

              – Whit3rd
              Apr 8 at 21:29











            • the question wasn't limited to Macs, though

              – scruss
              Apr 8 at 22:24











            • @scruss The answer isn't limited to Macs, either; SCSI allowed a half dozen externals, or more, on any suitably equipped computers; SGI, DEC, Sun, IBM, all had SCSI externals.

              – Whit3rd
              Apr 9 at 6:01



















            those don't seem to be floppies, though.

            – scruss
            Apr 8 at 15:54





            those don't seem to be floppies, though.

            – scruss
            Apr 8 at 15:54













            Until USB came along, no Mac supported multiple externals except SCSI (usually hard disks, optical, or super-floppy); there was only a connector for a single floppy external, so no stacking issue there.

            – Whit3rd
            Apr 8 at 21:29





            Until USB came along, no Mac supported multiple externals except SCSI (usually hard disks, optical, or super-floppy); there was only a connector for a single floppy external, so no stacking issue there.

            – Whit3rd
            Apr 8 at 21:29













            the question wasn't limited to Macs, though

            – scruss
            Apr 8 at 22:24





            the question wasn't limited to Macs, though

            – scruss
            Apr 8 at 22:24













            @scruss The answer isn't limited to Macs, either; SCSI allowed a half dozen externals, or more, on any suitably equipped computers; SGI, DEC, Sun, IBM, all had SCSI externals.

            – Whit3rd
            Apr 9 at 6:01







            @scruss The answer isn't limited to Macs, either; SCSI allowed a half dozen externals, or more, on any suitably equipped computers; SGI, DEC, Sun, IBM, all had SCSI externals.

            – Whit3rd
            Apr 9 at 6:01




















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