What is the origin of the phrase ‘orc and pie’?
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I'd like to know where this unique phrase came from. “Orc and pie” has become shorthand for a style of simple dungeon design, but where did it originate?
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I'd like to know where this unique phrase came from. “Orc and pie” has become shorthand for a style of simple dungeon design, but where did it originate?
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Since I’ve been gaming 30 years and have never heard the phrase, perhaps you could expand your question to indicate where you heard it and why you think it’s a widespread saying.
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A first for me as well, but also a wonderful bit of RPG lore. Thanks for asking this question.
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I'd like to know where this unique phrase came from. “Orc and pie” has become shorthand for a style of simple dungeon design, but where did it originate?
terminology dungeon-design
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I'd like to know where this unique phrase came from. “Orc and pie” has become shorthand for a style of simple dungeon design, but where did it originate?
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Since I’ve been gaming 30 years and have never heard the phrase, perhaps you could expand your question to indicate where you heard it and why you think it’s a widespread saying.
– mxyzplk♦
Nov 29 at 12:18
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A first for me as well, but also a wonderful bit of RPG lore. Thanks for asking this question.
– KorvinStarmast
Nov 29 at 12:56
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Since I’ve been gaming 30 years and have never heard the phrase, perhaps you could expand your question to indicate where you heard it and why you think it’s a widespread saying.
– mxyzplk♦
Nov 29 at 12:18
12
A first for me as well, but also a wonderful bit of RPG lore. Thanks for asking this question.
– KorvinStarmast
Nov 29 at 12:56
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Since I’ve been gaming 30 years and have never heard the phrase, perhaps you could expand your question to indicate where you heard it and why you think it’s a widespread saying.
– mxyzplk♦
Nov 29 at 12:18
Since I’ve been gaming 30 years and have never heard the phrase, perhaps you could expand your question to indicate where you heard it and why you think it’s a widespread saying.
– mxyzplk♦
Nov 29 at 12:18
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12
A first for me as well, but also a wonderful bit of RPG lore. Thanks for asking this question.
– KorvinStarmast
Nov 29 at 12:56
A first for me as well, but also a wonderful bit of RPG lore. Thanks for asking this question.
– KorvinStarmast
Nov 29 at 12:56
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Presenting Monte Cook’s "The Orc and the Pie", ©2001
The World's Shortest (Yet Technically Complete) Adventure: A Parody
"The Orc and the Pie"
Adventure Background: An orc has a pie.
Adventure Synopsis: The PCs kill the orc and take his pie.
Adventure Hook: The PCs are hungry for pie.
Room 1: The Orc's Pie Room
You see an orc with a pie.
The room is 10 feet by 10 feet.
Creature: An orc.
Treasure: A pie.
Concluding the Adventure: Pie tastes good.
Further Adventures: Somewhere, there is a bakery making these good
pies. Perhaps it's guarded by more orcs.
WHAT DO YOU DO???
edited Nov 29 at 23:24
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Tuorg
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Obviously you go off somewhere else and buy a tart.
– Zibbobz
Dec 2 at 17:17
3
Or sit in a bar and strike up a conversation with one. Whatever... :-)
– Bob Jarvis
Dec 2 at 22:38
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It was an example adventure by Monte Cook
It seems to have been made as an example adventure that is as short as possible while still being an actual adventure hook, but it is no longer available on their website. (Here's an entry for it on rpggeek.com, which puts its publication at 2002, and shows an image for it that dates it to 2001.)
The synopsis is basically:
There's an orc, he has a pie, the adventurers are hungry.
It has everything an adventure needs: An adversary, a MacGuffin the players need, and a reason to get it.
Somehow this caught on and more people started using "Orc & Pie" as a phrase to mean "extremely simplistic adventure." It essentially became a meme, which helped spread its name.
In fact, if Wil Wheaton is to be believed, it can also be used as an easy starting point for learning a new game system.
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As others have already answered, “orc and pie” came from American game designer Monte Cook’s “The Orc and the Pie”—“The World's Shortest (Yet Technically Complete) Adventure: A Parody”.
It was posted on Monte Cook’s website on 2001-07-27. The original website is no longer accessible, but it is archived by the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.
edited Nov 30 at 20:42
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Apart from its specific history outlined in other answers, "orc and pie" was (obviously?) coined as a phonetic reference to "pork and pie" as a food of basic consistency.
answered Dec 1 at 20:52
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The original phrase is “the orc and the pie”, which has no phonetic/syllabic resemblance to “pork and pie”, so the assertion that it was coined on that pattern, or even evolved toward it later, is going to need substantial citation support.
– SevenSidedDie♦
Dec 1 at 21:03
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Surely it would be "pork pie" not "pork and pie"?
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4 Answers
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4 Answers
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active
oldest
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up vote
110
down vote
accepted
Presenting Monte Cook’s "The Orc and the Pie", ©2001
The World's Shortest (Yet Technically Complete) Adventure: A Parody
"The Orc and the Pie"
Adventure Background: An orc has a pie.
Adventure Synopsis: The PCs kill the orc and take his pie.
Adventure Hook: The PCs are hungry for pie.
Room 1: The Orc's Pie Room
You see an orc with a pie.
The room is 10 feet by 10 feet.
Creature: An orc.
Treasure: A pie.
Concluding the Adventure: Pie tastes good.
Further Adventures: Somewhere, there is a bakery making these good
pies. Perhaps it's guarded by more orcs.
WHAT DO YOU DO???
edited Nov 29 at 23:24
SevenSidedDie♦
203k28654927
answered Nov 29 at 12:42
Tuorg
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3
Obviously you go off somewhere else and buy a tart.
– Zibbobz
Dec 2 at 17:17
3
Or sit in a bar and strike up a conversation with one. Whatever... :-)
– Bob Jarvis
Dec 2 at 22:38
add a comment |
up vote
110
down vote
accepted
Presenting Monte Cook’s "The Orc and the Pie", ©2001
The World's Shortest (Yet Technically Complete) Adventure: A Parody
"The Orc and the Pie"
Adventure Background: An orc has a pie.
Adventure Synopsis: The PCs kill the orc and take his pie.
Adventure Hook: The PCs are hungry for pie.
Room 1: The Orc's Pie Room
You see an orc with a pie.
The room is 10 feet by 10 feet.
Creature: An orc.
Treasure: A pie.
Concluding the Adventure: Pie tastes good.
Further Adventures: Somewhere, there is a bakery making these good
pies. Perhaps it's guarded by more orcs.
WHAT DO YOU DO???
edited Nov 29 at 23:24
SevenSidedDie♦
203k28654927
answered Nov 29 at 12:42
Tuorg
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3
Obviously you go off somewhere else and buy a tart.
– Zibbobz
Dec 2 at 17:17
3
Or sit in a bar and strike up a conversation with one. Whatever... :-)
– Bob Jarvis
Dec 2 at 22:38
add a comment |
up vote
110
down vote
accepted
up vote
110
down vote
accepted
Presenting Monte Cook’s "The Orc and the Pie", ©2001
The World's Shortest (Yet Technically Complete) Adventure: A Parody
"The Orc and the Pie"
Adventure Background: An orc has a pie.
Adventure Synopsis: The PCs kill the orc and take his pie.
Adventure Hook: The PCs are hungry for pie.
Room 1: The Orc's Pie Room
You see an orc with a pie.
The room is 10 feet by 10 feet.
Creature: An orc.
Treasure: A pie.
Concluding the Adventure: Pie tastes good.
Further Adventures: Somewhere, there is a bakery making these good
pies. Perhaps it's guarded by more orcs.
WHAT DO YOU DO???
edited Nov 29 at 23:24
SevenSidedDie♦
203k28654927
answered Nov 29 at 12:42
Tuorg
1,3231519
Presenting Monte Cook’s "The Orc and the Pie", ©2001
The World's Shortest (Yet Technically Complete) Adventure: A Parody
"The Orc and the Pie"
Adventure Background: An orc has a pie.
Adventure Synopsis: The PCs kill the orc and take his pie.
Adventure Hook: The PCs are hungry for pie.
Room 1: The Orc's Pie Room
You see an orc with a pie.
The room is 10 feet by 10 feet.
Creature: An orc.
Treasure: A pie.
Concluding the Adventure: Pie tastes good.
Further Adventures: Somewhere, there is a bakery making these good
pies. Perhaps it's guarded by more orcs.
WHAT DO YOU DO???
edited Nov 29 at 23:24
SevenSidedDie♦
203k28654927
answered Nov 29 at 12:42
Tuorg
1,3231519
edited Nov 29 at 23:24
SevenSidedDie♦
203k28654927
edited Nov 29 at 23:24
SevenSidedDie♦
203k28654927
edited Nov 29 at 23:24
SevenSidedDie♦
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203k28654927
answered Nov 29 at 12:42
Tuorg
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answered Nov 29 at 12:42
Tuorg
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answered Nov 29 at 12:42
Tuorg
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1,3231519
3
Obviously you go off somewhere else and buy a tart.
– Zibbobz
Dec 2 at 17:17
3
Or sit in a bar and strike up a conversation with one. Whatever... :-)
– Bob Jarvis
Dec 2 at 22:38
add a comment |
3
Obviously you go off somewhere else and buy a tart.
– Zibbobz
Dec 2 at 17:17
3
Or sit in a bar and strike up a conversation with one. Whatever... :-)
– Bob Jarvis
Dec 2 at 22:38
3
3
Obviously you go off somewhere else and buy a tart.
– Zibbobz
Dec 2 at 17:17
Obviously you go off somewhere else and buy a tart.
– Zibbobz
Dec 2 at 17:17
3
3
Or sit in a bar and strike up a conversation with one. Whatever... :-)
– Bob Jarvis
Dec 2 at 22:38
Or sit in a bar and strike up a conversation with one. Whatever... :-)
– Bob Jarvis
Dec 2 at 22:38
add a comment |
up vote
52
down vote
It was an example adventure by Monte Cook
It seems to have been made as an example adventure that is as short as possible while still being an actual adventure hook, but it is no longer available on their website. (Here's an entry for it on rpggeek.com, which puts its publication at 2002, and shows an image for it that dates it to 2001.)
The synopsis is basically:
There's an orc, he has a pie, the adventurers are hungry.
It has everything an adventure needs: An adversary, a MacGuffin the players need, and a reason to get it.
Somehow this caught on and more people started using "Orc & Pie" as a phrase to mean "extremely simplistic adventure." It essentially became a meme, which helped spread its name.
In fact, if Wil Wheaton is to be believed, it can also be used as an easy starting point for learning a new game system.
answered Nov 29 at 12:27
Theik
12.7k5272
add a comment |
up vote
52
down vote
It was an example adventure by Monte Cook
It seems to have been made as an example adventure that is as short as possible while still being an actual adventure hook, but it is no longer available on their website. (Here's an entry for it on rpggeek.com, which puts its publication at 2002, and shows an image for it that dates it to 2001.)
The synopsis is basically:
There's an orc, he has a pie, the adventurers are hungry.
It has everything an adventure needs: An adversary, a MacGuffin the players need, and a reason to get it.
Somehow this caught on and more people started using "Orc & Pie" as a phrase to mean "extremely simplistic adventure." It essentially became a meme, which helped spread its name.
In fact, if Wil Wheaton is to be believed, it can also be used as an easy starting point for learning a new game system.
answered Nov 29 at 12:27
Theik
12.7k5272
add a comment |
up vote
52
down vote
up vote
52
down vote
It was an example adventure by Monte Cook
It seems to have been made as an example adventure that is as short as possible while still being an actual adventure hook, but it is no longer available on their website. (Here's an entry for it on rpggeek.com, which puts its publication at 2002, and shows an image for it that dates it to 2001.)
The synopsis is basically:
There's an orc, he has a pie, the adventurers are hungry.
It has everything an adventure needs: An adversary, a MacGuffin the players need, and a reason to get it.
Somehow this caught on and more people started using "Orc & Pie" as a phrase to mean "extremely simplistic adventure." It essentially became a meme, which helped spread its name.
In fact, if Wil Wheaton is to be believed, it can also be used as an easy starting point for learning a new game system.
answered Nov 29 at 12:27
Theik
12.7k5272
It was an example adventure by Monte Cook
It seems to have been made as an example adventure that is as short as possible while still being an actual adventure hook, but it is no longer available on their website. (Here's an entry for it on rpggeek.com, which puts its publication at 2002, and shows an image for it that dates it to 2001.)
The synopsis is basically:
There's an orc, he has a pie, the adventurers are hungry.
It has everything an adventure needs: An adversary, a MacGuffin the players need, and a reason to get it.
Somehow this caught on and more people started using "Orc & Pie" as a phrase to mean "extremely simplistic adventure." It essentially became a meme, which helped spread its name.
In fact, if Wil Wheaton is to be believed, it can also be used as an easy starting point for learning a new game system.
answered Nov 29 at 12:27
Theik
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answered Nov 29 at 12:27
Theik
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As others have already answered, “orc and pie” came from American game designer Monte Cook’s “The Orc and the Pie”—“The World's Shortest (Yet Technically Complete) Adventure: A Parody”.
It was posted on Monte Cook’s website on 2001-07-27. The original website is no longer accessible, but it is archived by the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.
edited Nov 30 at 20:42
SevenSidedDie♦
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answered Nov 29 at 17:30
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up vote
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As others have already answered, “orc and pie” came from American game designer Monte Cook’s “The Orc and the Pie”—“The World's Shortest (Yet Technically Complete) Adventure: A Parody”.
It was posted on Monte Cook’s website on 2001-07-27. The original website is no longer accessible, but it is archived by the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.
edited Nov 30 at 20:42
SevenSidedDie♦
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answered Nov 29 at 17:30
Anthony Fok
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up vote
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As others have already answered, “orc and pie” came from American game designer Monte Cook’s “The Orc and the Pie”—“The World's Shortest (Yet Technically Complete) Adventure: A Parody”.
It was posted on Monte Cook’s website on 2001-07-27. The original website is no longer accessible, but it is archived by the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.
edited Nov 30 at 20:42
SevenSidedDie♦
203k28654927
answered Nov 29 at 17:30
Anthony Fok
1733
As others have already answered, “orc and pie” came from American game designer Monte Cook’s “The Orc and the Pie”—“The World's Shortest (Yet Technically Complete) Adventure: A Parody”.
It was posted on Monte Cook’s website on 2001-07-27. The original website is no longer accessible, but it is archived by the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.
edited Nov 30 at 20:42
SevenSidedDie♦
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answered Nov 29 at 17:30
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edited Nov 30 at 20:42
SevenSidedDie♦
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SevenSidedDie♦
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SevenSidedDie♦
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Anthony Fok
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Apart from its specific history outlined in other answers, "orc and pie" was (obviously?) coined as a phonetic reference to "pork and pie" as a food of basic consistency.
answered Dec 1 at 20:52
user50442
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Some of the information contained in this post requires additional references. Please edit to add citations to reliable sources that support the assertions made here. Unsourced material may be disputed or deleted.
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The original phrase is “the orc and the pie”, which has no phonetic/syllabic resemblance to “pork and pie”, so the assertion that it was coined on that pattern, or even evolved toward it later, is going to need substantial citation support.
– SevenSidedDie♦
Dec 1 at 21:03
1
Surely it would be "pork pie" not "pork and pie"?
– Geoffrey Brent
Dec 2 at 6:31
Keep writing good answers or asking good questions and you'll get points quickly. Deleting downvoted answers will also remove their negative rep.
– Harper
Dec 2 at 22:58
add a comment |
up vote
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down vote
Apart from its specific history outlined in other answers, "orc and pie" was (obviously?) coined as a phonetic reference to "pork and pie" as a food of basic consistency.
answered Dec 1 at 20:52
user50442
1
Some of the information contained in this post requires additional references. Please edit to add citations to reliable sources that support the assertions made here. Unsourced material may be disputed or deleted.
Welcome to the Stack! You're facing downvotes because we expect answers to stand on their own. When you have enough reputation you'll be able to leave comments on other answers. Check out the tour to get yourself oriented! Happy Stacking!
– Jason_c_o
Dec 1 at 21:00
4
The original phrase is “the orc and the pie”, which has no phonetic/syllabic resemblance to “pork and pie”, so the assertion that it was coined on that pattern, or even evolved toward it later, is going to need substantial citation support.
– SevenSidedDie♦
Dec 1 at 21:03
1
Surely it would be "pork pie" not "pork and pie"?
– Geoffrey Brent
Dec 2 at 6:31
Keep writing good answers or asking good questions and you'll get points quickly. Deleting downvoted answers will also remove their negative rep.
– Harper
Dec 2 at 22:58
add a comment |
up vote
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up vote
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Apart from its specific history outlined in other answers, "orc and pie" was (obviously?) coined as a phonetic reference to "pork and pie" as a food of basic consistency.
answered Dec 1 at 20:52
user50442
1
Apart from its specific history outlined in other answers, "orc and pie" was (obviously?) coined as a phonetic reference to "pork and pie" as a food of basic consistency.
answered Dec 1 at 20:52
user50442
1
answered Dec 1 at 20:52
user50442
1
answered Dec 1 at 20:52
user50442
1
answered Dec 1 at 20:52
user50442
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Some of the information contained in this post requires additional references. Please edit to add citations to reliable sources that support the assertions made here. Unsourced material may be disputed or deleted.
Some of the information contained in this post requires additional references. Please edit to add citations to reliable sources that support the assertions made here. Unsourced material may be disputed or deleted.
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– Jason_c_o
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4
The original phrase is “the orc and the pie”, which has no phonetic/syllabic resemblance to “pork and pie”, so the assertion that it was coined on that pattern, or even evolved toward it later, is going to need substantial citation support.
– SevenSidedDie♦
Dec 1 at 21:03
1
Surely it would be "pork pie" not "pork and pie"?
– Geoffrey Brent
Dec 2 at 6:31
Keep writing good answers or asking good questions and you'll get points quickly. Deleting downvoted answers will also remove their negative rep.
– Harper
Dec 2 at 22:58
add a comment |
Welcome to the Stack! You're facing downvotes because we expect answers to stand on their own. When you have enough reputation you'll be able to leave comments on other answers. Check out the tour to get yourself oriented! Happy Stacking!
– Jason_c_o
Dec 1 at 21:00
4
The original phrase is “the orc and the pie”, which has no phonetic/syllabic resemblance to “pork and pie”, so the assertion that it was coined on that pattern, or even evolved toward it later, is going to need substantial citation support.
– SevenSidedDie♦
Dec 1 at 21:03
1
Surely it would be "pork pie" not "pork and pie"?
– Geoffrey Brent
Dec 2 at 6:31
Keep writing good answers or asking good questions and you'll get points quickly. Deleting downvoted answers will also remove their negative rep.
– Harper
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4
The original phrase is “the orc and the pie”, which has no phonetic/syllabic resemblance to “pork and pie”, so the assertion that it was coined on that pattern, or even evolved toward it later, is going to need substantial citation support.
– SevenSidedDie♦
Dec 1 at 21:03
The original phrase is “the orc and the pie”, which has no phonetic/syllabic resemblance to “pork and pie”, so the assertion that it was coined on that pattern, or even evolved toward it later, is going to need substantial citation support.
– SevenSidedDie♦
Dec 1 at 21:03
1
1
Surely it would be "pork pie" not "pork and pie"?
– Geoffrey Brent
Dec 2 at 6:31
Surely it would be "pork pie" not "pork and pie"?
– Geoffrey Brent
Dec 2 at 6:31
Keep writing good answers or asking good questions and you'll get points quickly. Deleting downvoted answers will also remove their negative rep.
– Harper
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Since I’ve been gaming 30 years and have never heard the phrase, perhaps you could expand your question to indicate where you heard it and why you think it’s a widespread saying.
– mxyzplk♦
Nov 29 at 12:18
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A first for me as well, but also a wonderful bit of RPG lore. Thanks for asking this question.
– KorvinStarmast
Nov 29 at 12:56