(How much) should I focus on sight reading if my end goal is being able to play by ear on piano?
So my technical ability is ahead of my sight reading ability. And I haven't practiced my ear at all. My end goal is to eventually be able to play any song by ear and put my own variation on it. I'm not good at sight reading at all. I can read the notes but it does take me a while to get them all in my head. I don't care much for sight reading either, although I feel like I should at least master the basics.
Now my question is, should I continue practicing sight reading first before I practice ear training? Are there any big benefits in sight reading and does it help me improve in other aspects of playing the piano as well? Should I practice both simultaneously? Or should I just neglect sight reading alltogether and just focus on ear training and relative pitch if that's my end goal?
I always fiddled around with the piano as a child and would watch tutorials for songs online. That's why my technical ability is far ahead of everything else. I only recently started learning about the music theory behind it and how to read notes etc.
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So my technical ability is ahead of my sight reading ability. And I haven't practiced my ear at all. My end goal is to eventually be able to play any song by ear and put my own variation on it. I'm not good at sight reading at all. I can read the notes but it does take me a while to get them all in my head. I don't care much for sight reading either, although I feel like I should at least master the basics.
Now my question is, should I continue practicing sight reading first before I practice ear training? Are there any big benefits in sight reading and does it help me improve in other aspects of playing the piano as well? Should I practice both simultaneously? Or should I just neglect sight reading alltogether and just focus on ear training and relative pitch if that's my end goal?
I always fiddled around with the piano as a child and would watch tutorials for songs online. That's why my technical ability is far ahead of everything else. I only recently started learning about the music theory behind it and how to read notes etc.
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Do you mean you want to improvise piano arrangements of songs, where the vocal part of the song will be played instrumentally on the piano? That contrasted with playing the piano part of song.
– Michael Curtis
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So my technical ability is ahead of my sight reading ability. And I haven't practiced my ear at all. My end goal is to eventually be able to play any song by ear and put my own variation on it. I'm not good at sight reading at all. I can read the notes but it does take me a while to get them all in my head. I don't care much for sight reading either, although I feel like I should at least master the basics.
Now my question is, should I continue practicing sight reading first before I practice ear training? Are there any big benefits in sight reading and does it help me improve in other aspects of playing the piano as well? Should I practice both simultaneously? Or should I just neglect sight reading alltogether and just focus on ear training and relative pitch if that's my end goal?
I always fiddled around with the piano as a child and would watch tutorials for songs online. That's why my technical ability is far ahead of everything else. I only recently started learning about the music theory behind it and how to read notes etc.
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So my technical ability is ahead of my sight reading ability. And I haven't practiced my ear at all. My end goal is to eventually be able to play any song by ear and put my own variation on it. I'm not good at sight reading at all. I can read the notes but it does take me a while to get them all in my head. I don't care much for sight reading either, although I feel like I should at least master the basics.
Now my question is, should I continue practicing sight reading first before I practice ear training? Are there any big benefits in sight reading and does it help me improve in other aspects of playing the piano as well? Should I practice both simultaneously? Or should I just neglect sight reading alltogether and just focus on ear training and relative pitch if that's my end goal?
I always fiddled around with the piano as a child and would watch tutorials for songs online. That's why my technical ability is far ahead of everything else. I only recently started learning about the music theory behind it and how to read notes etc.
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Do you mean you want to improvise piano arrangements of songs, where the vocal part of the song will be played instrumentally on the piano? That contrasted with playing the piano part of song.
– Michael Curtis
7 hours ago
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Do you mean you want to improvise piano arrangements of songs, where the vocal part of the song will be played instrumentally on the piano? That contrasted with playing the piano part of song.
– Michael Curtis
7 hours ago
Do you mean you want to improvise piano arrangements of songs, where the vocal part of the song will be played instrumentally on the piano? That contrasted with playing the piano part of song.
– Michael Curtis
7 hours ago
Do you mean you want to improvise piano arrangements of songs, where the vocal part of the song will be played instrumentally on the piano? That contrasted with playing the piano part of song.
– Michael Curtis
7 hours ago
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You can only play 'by ear' using musical elements that you're familiar with. So you need to get familiar with LOTS of music, in LOTS of styles - what it sounds like, and what your fingers have to do to get that sound.
Sorry, @Tim, but by far the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music. Not necessarily by perfecting a small number of difficult pieces (though you need technique too.)
Develop your 'by ear' playing skills AND your sightreading skills. They will nurture each other. Remember, the aim is to play the piece. If the printed music is available, it's foolish to reject that route!
"the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music" - true if you already have those sight reading skills. But if you are someone who enjoys trying to figure things out by ear more than reading scores, acquiring those skills might come at a relatively high opportunity cost.
– topo morto
yesterday
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I've played with many people who couldn't read, but were able to play hundreds of tunes that were in their minds - and could also play along with something never heard before, because they could play by ear. A lot of the stuff I do, and always have done, has been by ear, and I don't think knowing how to sight-read - which I can - helped that side much. Agree to disagree. But it is good to be able to do both. OP wants to know which direction to go, and he's given both sides of the coin with answers here! Probably hasn't time to do all though. And since play by ear is more natural, go that way.
– Tim
16 hours ago
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If you want to be able to pick up on a song by ear, sight reading won't be a lot of help. (Downvoters - please say why you did!).
Since your aim is to play by ear, and hit whatever notes and chords instinctively, then being able to read charts won't help at all.
As long as you are aware of what each chord comprises, and how they work with each other, and can play a bass line that flows, and use your ears for instant accuracy, carry on playing the way you do, as sight reading is a very different and diverse skill from playing by ear. Generally speaking, I find that players fall into one of the camps - great sight readers, or great 'play by earers'. There are very few players that I've worked with who are very good at both. I guess if one is better at one, then that gets favoured over the other, and strengthens more to the detriment of the other.
Looking at and considering the comments and answers - it would be worth a foray into sight reading. It might just be that, as you already have a way round the notes, that looking at how it's portrayed on the lines and spaces, it suddenly becomes pretty obvious how it all works. And you start thinking - actually, it's easier than I thought, I'll have a go. Certainly worth consideration. 'Cos then you have that extra bow to your fiddle, or whatever the phrase may be today...
I definitely do want to get the basics down for reading sheet music. But another big reason why I still use sheet music is because my ear isn't trained well enough to play very technically demanding pieces of music. And isn't it important to still play music that matches with my technical ability? I either continue reading sheet music on the side in order to play more technically demanding songs, or I only practice playing by ear and start with easier songs. Another option is to watch youtube tutorials like I used to do, but I doubt that's a good idea.
– Tipsi
yesterday
If today's requirement is to play a particular song, don't be ashamed to use any resources you can find! For the broader requirement of developing your personal skills, do anything that broadens your musical horizons. (Why are you restricting your ambitions to being a 'busker' anyway?)
– Laurence Payne
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@Laurence I'm not planning on competing or becoming an actual performer. I'm learning to play the piano because I love how it feels when I am playing. I barely like classical music, only modern classical music really. Most songs I do like don't have sheet music availabe and aren't as hard as classical music. That's why playing by ear is my goal. I'd rather be really good at 1 method than decent at all methods.
– Tipsi
15 hours ago
Far be it from me to question your goal... but I'm going to anyway! No, your goal is playing the music. Playing by ear is merely a method, one route to that goal.
– Laurence Payne
9 hours ago
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Before I start, I will mention that I can really only play (guitar, sing and drums) by ear. If I learn from something written down, I'm much slower and can't read music so it has to be tab or chord notation. In honesty, I've never needed to go further than this in order to get a LOT of enjoyment from music.
Learning a piece by ear is ace fun, and you'll get probably 90% of popular tunes easily. However when you get to something that's hard to hear (!) in detail, you probably need to see it written down.
The difference is that 'by ear' gives you a feel for it, and a good hint at a piece. Seeing it written down tells you THE CORRRECT THING TO PLAY.
However this doesn't necessarily mean sight-reading. It could be just reading the notes of a tricky part and getting them sorted at your own pace, then getting the rest right by ear.
Perhaps it depends on the kind of music you're playing. If you're playing popular tunes, or something jazzy etc then by-ear is usually enough detail to get them learnt. If you're playing tricky classical pieces with intricate arpeggias etc, then maybe getting the right detail becomes more important.
Incidentally, I'm in awe of people who can sight-read. It's not something I aspire to myself because I enjoy the freedom of playing things how I hear them rather than being too dictated-to. But watching someone sight read a piece is to me quite astonishing.
I've had the same thing said by sight-readers about those who can play by ear, which underlines Tim's answer.
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There is a common misconception on what "playing by ear" is. Many people think it is knowing what a melody is then hunting and pecking on your instrument for the correct notes. One wouldn't walk through a mine field like that so why would we attempt to perform like that? Because you probably know how to read and sound out words, I can say "cat" and you will be able to guess KAT or CAT or maybe even QHUAT. That is because you have mastered the alphabet and sounding out with your mind's ear.
True playing by ear is more cerebral than you think. It involves knowing all your scales, some degree of music theory and the ability to see the notes in your mind's eye when you hear them. Here is what I mean.
I can hear the tune ODE TO JOY in my head. Because I sing a lot but sing by visualizing sheet music (usually by the pool) in my head, I just know that the melody starts on the third. I can hear it start on the third. From there, as I hear each pitch, I just know what the numeric values are:
33455432 1123322 33455432 1123211
As I hum, I simply know those corresponding numbers because I only think in numbers. An added benefit to reading by numbers and not letters is that I can then transpose that into any key. Just start on the third of any scale and play those numbers. Poof, you're a genius. If I am improvising and I wish to quote this melody, I only have to aim for the third. There is no hunt and peck, there is no guessing, there is no "playing by ear." It is all brain conversion from inner ear.
The good news is that you can practice this anywhere without the need for a piano. Lying in bed, driving a car, lounging by the pool, hiking through the woods, listening to the homily . . . Also, whenever you hear music, don't just hum along, listen or ignore it, use it to practice. What is the starting pitch? Is it on the 1, 3, 5? Does the bridge change keys a fourth higher? What is the chord progression? You can hear all these things and translate them to numbers on the fly. WITH PRACTICE.
Some teachers teach the solfege method but I find numbers easier and if I am jamming with other musicians I can just hold up a finger. I can't hold up a SOL.
Try it with something simple such as MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB. It starts on the third. Don't use just your ear, employ the brain. Don't guess, know. I'll wait. My brain tells me the pitches are 3212333 222 355 3212333322321. Did you get those too? Go test them on the piano in any key.
Now, someone is going to chime in saying "That is fine and dandy for melody but you can't do that with larger works, fugues or etudes." What they are really saying is THEY can't do it. Because I only read by numbers I can see all the numbers. If they read by letters, they see letters. I can't fly an airplane so therefore nobody can. All you need to do is know your scales and intervals and what each interval sounds like - away from the piano.
As an added bonus, you will find memorization to come rather quickly. Actually you are not "memorizing" notes. Your ear will hear and you'll just know or read in your mind. I don't have GOLDILOCKS AND THE THREE BEARS memorized but I can fake the story.
This will be offensive to many people but I consider letter readers to be musically illiterate. Like, they can speak but not read. My folk group musicians are all excellent readers. They can play anything I put before them. However, if I ask them to raise it a third, they can't. Why? They really don't know what they are doing. Matching dots to a key is so easy a parrot can do it. In the following video, I doubt the bird knows what a square, circle or isosceles trapezium is. This bird is not genius, it is just matching shapes like it was trained to do. BTW, this is how Beethoven could compose while deaf. His ear may have been deaf but his brain wasn't. Go ahead, "hum" something in your brain. What were the numbers?
Parrot matches shapes
A good way to practice is to go steal a hymnbook from your local Protestant church (God will forgive you) and away from the piano, number sing all four parts. Start with just one line at a time (SAT or B). Soon you will see all four parts by their numbers. Hymns are great to start with because they rarely go beyond and octave, the notes are repetitive, the form is often AABA and all the notes are chord tones. Study, study, study, study, study. Then sit at the piano. Oh, if you don't want to beg, borrow or steal, you can check out hymnary.org but taking a book with you means you can "practice" anywhere, anytime.
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I agree with much of what you say (+1), but once someone is familiar enough with an instrument, I think it is often possible for then to just pick out the notes of a melody they've heard without analysing it first. Many people without the musical training to identify intervals can sing a melody back correctly, isn't doing the equivalent on the guitar a similar skill?
– topo morto
14 hours ago
Can you figure out the numbers for less tonal pieces? I guess you can for 12-tone serialist pieces, but I once transcribed a piece that had the F7/Eb - G7/F - Ab/Bb - G/A chord progression at one point, and I suspect passages like this raise difficulties when trying to assign note numbers to them.
– Dekkadeci
10 hours ago
While there's a lot of interesting food for thought in this answer, I don't see how it answers the question. Instead, it's an essay about what comprises music literacy in your opinion. (I happen to agree with a lot of what's written here, but that's not the point.) It'd also be a much better answer if it were less confrontational ("offensive to many people") and more helpful (e.g., "this is a method that works well for me"). I hope this helps improve the answer!
– neilfein
8 hours ago
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You can only play 'by ear' using musical elements that you're familiar with. So you need to get familiar with LOTS of music, in LOTS of styles - what it sounds like, and what your fingers have to do to get that sound.
Sorry, @Tim, but by far the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music. Not necessarily by perfecting a small number of difficult pieces (though you need technique too.)
Develop your 'by ear' playing skills AND your sightreading skills. They will nurture each other. Remember, the aim is to play the piece. If the printed music is available, it's foolish to reject that route!
"the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music" - true if you already have those sight reading skills. But if you are someone who enjoys trying to figure things out by ear more than reading scores, acquiring those skills might come at a relatively high opportunity cost.
– topo morto
yesterday
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I've played with many people who couldn't read, but were able to play hundreds of tunes that were in their minds - and could also play along with something never heard before, because they could play by ear. A lot of the stuff I do, and always have done, has been by ear, and I don't think knowing how to sight-read - which I can - helped that side much. Agree to disagree. But it is good to be able to do both. OP wants to know which direction to go, and he's given both sides of the coin with answers here! Probably hasn't time to do all though. And since play by ear is more natural, go that way.
– Tim
16 hours ago
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You can only play 'by ear' using musical elements that you're familiar with. So you need to get familiar with LOTS of music, in LOTS of styles - what it sounds like, and what your fingers have to do to get that sound.
Sorry, @Tim, but by far the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music. Not necessarily by perfecting a small number of difficult pieces (though you need technique too.)
Develop your 'by ear' playing skills AND your sightreading skills. They will nurture each other. Remember, the aim is to play the piece. If the printed music is available, it's foolish to reject that route!
"the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music" - true if you already have those sight reading skills. But if you are someone who enjoys trying to figure things out by ear more than reading scores, acquiring those skills might come at a relatively high opportunity cost.
– topo morto
yesterday
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I've played with many people who couldn't read, but were able to play hundreds of tunes that were in their minds - and could also play along with something never heard before, because they could play by ear. A lot of the stuff I do, and always have done, has been by ear, and I don't think knowing how to sight-read - which I can - helped that side much. Agree to disagree. But it is good to be able to do both. OP wants to know which direction to go, and he's given both sides of the coin with answers here! Probably hasn't time to do all though. And since play by ear is more natural, go that way.
– Tim
16 hours ago
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You can only play 'by ear' using musical elements that you're familiar with. So you need to get familiar with LOTS of music, in LOTS of styles - what it sounds like, and what your fingers have to do to get that sound.
Sorry, @Tim, but by far the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music. Not necessarily by perfecting a small number of difficult pieces (though you need technique too.)
Develop your 'by ear' playing skills AND your sightreading skills. They will nurture each other. Remember, the aim is to play the piece. If the printed music is available, it's foolish to reject that route!
You can only play 'by ear' using musical elements that you're familiar with. So you need to get familiar with LOTS of music, in LOTS of styles - what it sounds like, and what your fingers have to do to get that sound.
Sorry, @Tim, but by far the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music. Not necessarily by perfecting a small number of difficult pieces (though you need technique too.)
Develop your 'by ear' playing skills AND your sightreading skills. They will nurture each other. Remember, the aim is to play the piece. If the printed music is available, it's foolish to reject that route!
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"the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music" - true if you already have those sight reading skills. But if you are someone who enjoys trying to figure things out by ear more than reading scores, acquiring those skills might come at a relatively high opportunity cost.
– topo morto
yesterday
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I've played with many people who couldn't read, but were able to play hundreds of tunes that were in their minds - and could also play along with something never heard before, because they could play by ear. A lot of the stuff I do, and always have done, has been by ear, and I don't think knowing how to sight-read - which I can - helped that side much. Agree to disagree. But it is good to be able to do both. OP wants to know which direction to go, and he's given both sides of the coin with answers here! Probably hasn't time to do all though. And since play by ear is more natural, go that way.
– Tim
16 hours ago
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"the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music" - true if you already have those sight reading skills. But if you are someone who enjoys trying to figure things out by ear more than reading scores, acquiring those skills might come at a relatively high opportunity cost.
– topo morto
yesterday
1
I've played with many people who couldn't read, but were able to play hundreds of tunes that were in their minds - and could also play along with something never heard before, because they could play by ear. A lot of the stuff I do, and always have done, has been by ear, and I don't think knowing how to sight-read - which I can - helped that side much. Agree to disagree. But it is good to be able to do both. OP wants to know which direction to go, and he's given both sides of the coin with answers here! Probably hasn't time to do all though. And since play by ear is more natural, go that way.
– Tim
16 hours ago
"the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music" - true if you already have those sight reading skills. But if you are someone who enjoys trying to figure things out by ear more than reading scores, acquiring those skills might come at a relatively high opportunity cost.
– topo morto
yesterday
"the most efficient way to do this is by reading lots of music" - true if you already have those sight reading skills. But if you are someone who enjoys trying to figure things out by ear more than reading scores, acquiring those skills might come at a relatively high opportunity cost.
– topo morto
yesterday
1
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I've played with many people who couldn't read, but were able to play hundreds of tunes that were in their minds - and could also play along with something never heard before, because they could play by ear. A lot of the stuff I do, and always have done, has been by ear, and I don't think knowing how to sight-read - which I can - helped that side much. Agree to disagree. But it is good to be able to do both. OP wants to know which direction to go, and he's given both sides of the coin with answers here! Probably hasn't time to do all though. And since play by ear is more natural, go that way.
– Tim
16 hours ago
I've played with many people who couldn't read, but were able to play hundreds of tunes that were in their minds - and could also play along with something never heard before, because they could play by ear. A lot of the stuff I do, and always have done, has been by ear, and I don't think knowing how to sight-read - which I can - helped that side much. Agree to disagree. But it is good to be able to do both. OP wants to know which direction to go, and he's given both sides of the coin with answers here! Probably hasn't time to do all though. And since play by ear is more natural, go that way.
– Tim
16 hours ago
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If you want to be able to pick up on a song by ear, sight reading won't be a lot of help. (Downvoters - please say why you did!).
Since your aim is to play by ear, and hit whatever notes and chords instinctively, then being able to read charts won't help at all.
As long as you are aware of what each chord comprises, and how they work with each other, and can play a bass line that flows, and use your ears for instant accuracy, carry on playing the way you do, as sight reading is a very different and diverse skill from playing by ear. Generally speaking, I find that players fall into one of the camps - great sight readers, or great 'play by earers'. There are very few players that I've worked with who are very good at both. I guess if one is better at one, then that gets favoured over the other, and strengthens more to the detriment of the other.
Looking at and considering the comments and answers - it would be worth a foray into sight reading. It might just be that, as you already have a way round the notes, that looking at how it's portrayed on the lines and spaces, it suddenly becomes pretty obvious how it all works. And you start thinking - actually, it's easier than I thought, I'll have a go. Certainly worth consideration. 'Cos then you have that extra bow to your fiddle, or whatever the phrase may be today...
I definitely do want to get the basics down for reading sheet music. But another big reason why I still use sheet music is because my ear isn't trained well enough to play very technically demanding pieces of music. And isn't it important to still play music that matches with my technical ability? I either continue reading sheet music on the side in order to play more technically demanding songs, or I only practice playing by ear and start with easier songs. Another option is to watch youtube tutorials like I used to do, but I doubt that's a good idea.
– Tipsi
yesterday
If today's requirement is to play a particular song, don't be ashamed to use any resources you can find! For the broader requirement of developing your personal skills, do anything that broadens your musical horizons. (Why are you restricting your ambitions to being a 'busker' anyway?)
– Laurence Payne
yesterday
@Laurence I'm not planning on competing or becoming an actual performer. I'm learning to play the piano because I love how it feels when I am playing. I barely like classical music, only modern classical music really. Most songs I do like don't have sheet music availabe and aren't as hard as classical music. That's why playing by ear is my goal. I'd rather be really good at 1 method than decent at all methods.
– Tipsi
15 hours ago
Far be it from me to question your goal... but I'm going to anyway! No, your goal is playing the music. Playing by ear is merely a method, one route to that goal.
– Laurence Payne
9 hours ago
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If you want to be able to pick up on a song by ear, sight reading won't be a lot of help. (Downvoters - please say why you did!).
Since your aim is to play by ear, and hit whatever notes and chords instinctively, then being able to read charts won't help at all.
As long as you are aware of what each chord comprises, and how they work with each other, and can play a bass line that flows, and use your ears for instant accuracy, carry on playing the way you do, as sight reading is a very different and diverse skill from playing by ear. Generally speaking, I find that players fall into one of the camps - great sight readers, or great 'play by earers'. There are very few players that I've worked with who are very good at both. I guess if one is better at one, then that gets favoured over the other, and strengthens more to the detriment of the other.
Looking at and considering the comments and answers - it would be worth a foray into sight reading. It might just be that, as you already have a way round the notes, that looking at how it's portrayed on the lines and spaces, it suddenly becomes pretty obvious how it all works. And you start thinking - actually, it's easier than I thought, I'll have a go. Certainly worth consideration. 'Cos then you have that extra bow to your fiddle, or whatever the phrase may be today...
I definitely do want to get the basics down for reading sheet music. But another big reason why I still use sheet music is because my ear isn't trained well enough to play very technically demanding pieces of music. And isn't it important to still play music that matches with my technical ability? I either continue reading sheet music on the side in order to play more technically demanding songs, or I only practice playing by ear and start with easier songs. Another option is to watch youtube tutorials like I used to do, but I doubt that's a good idea.
– Tipsi
yesterday
If today's requirement is to play a particular song, don't be ashamed to use any resources you can find! For the broader requirement of developing your personal skills, do anything that broadens your musical horizons. (Why are you restricting your ambitions to being a 'busker' anyway?)
– Laurence Payne
yesterday
@Laurence I'm not planning on competing or becoming an actual performer. I'm learning to play the piano because I love how it feels when I am playing. I barely like classical music, only modern classical music really. Most songs I do like don't have sheet music availabe and aren't as hard as classical music. That's why playing by ear is my goal. I'd rather be really good at 1 method than decent at all methods.
– Tipsi
15 hours ago
Far be it from me to question your goal... but I'm going to anyway! No, your goal is playing the music. Playing by ear is merely a method, one route to that goal.
– Laurence Payne
9 hours ago
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If you want to be able to pick up on a song by ear, sight reading won't be a lot of help. (Downvoters - please say why you did!).
Since your aim is to play by ear, and hit whatever notes and chords instinctively, then being able to read charts won't help at all.
As long as you are aware of what each chord comprises, and how they work with each other, and can play a bass line that flows, and use your ears for instant accuracy, carry on playing the way you do, as sight reading is a very different and diverse skill from playing by ear. Generally speaking, I find that players fall into one of the camps - great sight readers, or great 'play by earers'. There are very few players that I've worked with who are very good at both. I guess if one is better at one, then that gets favoured over the other, and strengthens more to the detriment of the other.
Looking at and considering the comments and answers - it would be worth a foray into sight reading. It might just be that, as you already have a way round the notes, that looking at how it's portrayed on the lines and spaces, it suddenly becomes pretty obvious how it all works. And you start thinking - actually, it's easier than I thought, I'll have a go. Certainly worth consideration. 'Cos then you have that extra bow to your fiddle, or whatever the phrase may be today...
If you want to be able to pick up on a song by ear, sight reading won't be a lot of help. (Downvoters - please say why you did!).
Since your aim is to play by ear, and hit whatever notes and chords instinctively, then being able to read charts won't help at all.
As long as you are aware of what each chord comprises, and how they work with each other, and can play a bass line that flows, and use your ears for instant accuracy, carry on playing the way you do, as sight reading is a very different and diverse skill from playing by ear. Generally speaking, I find that players fall into one of the camps - great sight readers, or great 'play by earers'. There are very few players that I've worked with who are very good at both. I guess if one is better at one, then that gets favoured over the other, and strengthens more to the detriment of the other.
Looking at and considering the comments and answers - it would be worth a foray into sight reading. It might just be that, as you already have a way round the notes, that looking at how it's portrayed on the lines and spaces, it suddenly becomes pretty obvious how it all works. And you start thinking - actually, it's easier than I thought, I'll have a go. Certainly worth consideration. 'Cos then you have that extra bow to your fiddle, or whatever the phrase may be today...
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I definitely do want to get the basics down for reading sheet music. But another big reason why I still use sheet music is because my ear isn't trained well enough to play very technically demanding pieces of music. And isn't it important to still play music that matches with my technical ability? I either continue reading sheet music on the side in order to play more technically demanding songs, or I only practice playing by ear and start with easier songs. Another option is to watch youtube tutorials like I used to do, but I doubt that's a good idea.
– Tipsi
yesterday
If today's requirement is to play a particular song, don't be ashamed to use any resources you can find! For the broader requirement of developing your personal skills, do anything that broadens your musical horizons. (Why are you restricting your ambitions to being a 'busker' anyway?)
– Laurence Payne
yesterday
@Laurence I'm not planning on competing or becoming an actual performer. I'm learning to play the piano because I love how it feels when I am playing. I barely like classical music, only modern classical music really. Most songs I do like don't have sheet music availabe and aren't as hard as classical music. That's why playing by ear is my goal. I'd rather be really good at 1 method than decent at all methods.
– Tipsi
15 hours ago
Far be it from me to question your goal... but I'm going to anyway! No, your goal is playing the music. Playing by ear is merely a method, one route to that goal.
– Laurence Payne
9 hours ago
add a comment |
I definitely do want to get the basics down for reading sheet music. But another big reason why I still use sheet music is because my ear isn't trained well enough to play very technically demanding pieces of music. And isn't it important to still play music that matches with my technical ability? I either continue reading sheet music on the side in order to play more technically demanding songs, or I only practice playing by ear and start with easier songs. Another option is to watch youtube tutorials like I used to do, but I doubt that's a good idea.
– Tipsi
yesterday
If today's requirement is to play a particular song, don't be ashamed to use any resources you can find! For the broader requirement of developing your personal skills, do anything that broadens your musical horizons. (Why are you restricting your ambitions to being a 'busker' anyway?)
– Laurence Payne
yesterday
@Laurence I'm not planning on competing or becoming an actual performer. I'm learning to play the piano because I love how it feels when I am playing. I barely like classical music, only modern classical music really. Most songs I do like don't have sheet music availabe and aren't as hard as classical music. That's why playing by ear is my goal. I'd rather be really good at 1 method than decent at all methods.
– Tipsi
15 hours ago
Far be it from me to question your goal... but I'm going to anyway! No, your goal is playing the music. Playing by ear is merely a method, one route to that goal.
– Laurence Payne
9 hours ago
I definitely do want to get the basics down for reading sheet music. But another big reason why I still use sheet music is because my ear isn't trained well enough to play very technically demanding pieces of music. And isn't it important to still play music that matches with my technical ability? I either continue reading sheet music on the side in order to play more technically demanding songs, or I only practice playing by ear and start with easier songs. Another option is to watch youtube tutorials like I used to do, but I doubt that's a good idea.
– Tipsi
yesterday
I definitely do want to get the basics down for reading sheet music. But another big reason why I still use sheet music is because my ear isn't trained well enough to play very technically demanding pieces of music. And isn't it important to still play music that matches with my technical ability? I either continue reading sheet music on the side in order to play more technically demanding songs, or I only practice playing by ear and start with easier songs. Another option is to watch youtube tutorials like I used to do, but I doubt that's a good idea.
– Tipsi
yesterday
If today's requirement is to play a particular song, don't be ashamed to use any resources you can find! For the broader requirement of developing your personal skills, do anything that broadens your musical horizons. (Why are you restricting your ambitions to being a 'busker' anyway?)
– Laurence Payne
yesterday
If today's requirement is to play a particular song, don't be ashamed to use any resources you can find! For the broader requirement of developing your personal skills, do anything that broadens your musical horizons. (Why are you restricting your ambitions to being a 'busker' anyway?)
– Laurence Payne
yesterday
@Laurence I'm not planning on competing or becoming an actual performer. I'm learning to play the piano because I love how it feels when I am playing. I barely like classical music, only modern classical music really. Most songs I do like don't have sheet music availabe and aren't as hard as classical music. That's why playing by ear is my goal. I'd rather be really good at 1 method than decent at all methods.
– Tipsi
15 hours ago
@Laurence I'm not planning on competing or becoming an actual performer. I'm learning to play the piano because I love how it feels when I am playing. I barely like classical music, only modern classical music really. Most songs I do like don't have sheet music availabe and aren't as hard as classical music. That's why playing by ear is my goal. I'd rather be really good at 1 method than decent at all methods.
– Tipsi
15 hours ago
Far be it from me to question your goal... but I'm going to anyway! No, your goal is playing the music. Playing by ear is merely a method, one route to that goal.
– Laurence Payne
9 hours ago
Far be it from me to question your goal... but I'm going to anyway! No, your goal is playing the music. Playing by ear is merely a method, one route to that goal.
– Laurence Payne
9 hours ago
add a comment |
Before I start, I will mention that I can really only play (guitar, sing and drums) by ear. If I learn from something written down, I'm much slower and can't read music so it has to be tab or chord notation. In honesty, I've never needed to go further than this in order to get a LOT of enjoyment from music.
Learning a piece by ear is ace fun, and you'll get probably 90% of popular tunes easily. However when you get to something that's hard to hear (!) in detail, you probably need to see it written down.
The difference is that 'by ear' gives you a feel for it, and a good hint at a piece. Seeing it written down tells you THE CORRRECT THING TO PLAY.
However this doesn't necessarily mean sight-reading. It could be just reading the notes of a tricky part and getting them sorted at your own pace, then getting the rest right by ear.
Perhaps it depends on the kind of music you're playing. If you're playing popular tunes, or something jazzy etc then by-ear is usually enough detail to get them learnt. If you're playing tricky classical pieces with intricate arpeggias etc, then maybe getting the right detail becomes more important.
Incidentally, I'm in awe of people who can sight-read. It's not something I aspire to myself because I enjoy the freedom of playing things how I hear them rather than being too dictated-to. But watching someone sight read a piece is to me quite astonishing.
I've had the same thing said by sight-readers about those who can play by ear, which underlines Tim's answer.
add a comment |
Before I start, I will mention that I can really only play (guitar, sing and drums) by ear. If I learn from something written down, I'm much slower and can't read music so it has to be tab or chord notation. In honesty, I've never needed to go further than this in order to get a LOT of enjoyment from music.
Learning a piece by ear is ace fun, and you'll get probably 90% of popular tunes easily. However when you get to something that's hard to hear (!) in detail, you probably need to see it written down.
The difference is that 'by ear' gives you a feel for it, and a good hint at a piece. Seeing it written down tells you THE CORRRECT THING TO PLAY.
However this doesn't necessarily mean sight-reading. It could be just reading the notes of a tricky part and getting them sorted at your own pace, then getting the rest right by ear.
Perhaps it depends on the kind of music you're playing. If you're playing popular tunes, or something jazzy etc then by-ear is usually enough detail to get them learnt. If you're playing tricky classical pieces with intricate arpeggias etc, then maybe getting the right detail becomes more important.
Incidentally, I'm in awe of people who can sight-read. It's not something I aspire to myself because I enjoy the freedom of playing things how I hear them rather than being too dictated-to. But watching someone sight read a piece is to me quite astonishing.
I've had the same thing said by sight-readers about those who can play by ear, which underlines Tim's answer.
add a comment |
Before I start, I will mention that I can really only play (guitar, sing and drums) by ear. If I learn from something written down, I'm much slower and can't read music so it has to be tab or chord notation. In honesty, I've never needed to go further than this in order to get a LOT of enjoyment from music.
Learning a piece by ear is ace fun, and you'll get probably 90% of popular tunes easily. However when you get to something that's hard to hear (!) in detail, you probably need to see it written down.
The difference is that 'by ear' gives you a feel for it, and a good hint at a piece. Seeing it written down tells you THE CORRRECT THING TO PLAY.
However this doesn't necessarily mean sight-reading. It could be just reading the notes of a tricky part and getting them sorted at your own pace, then getting the rest right by ear.
Perhaps it depends on the kind of music you're playing. If you're playing popular tunes, or something jazzy etc then by-ear is usually enough detail to get them learnt. If you're playing tricky classical pieces with intricate arpeggias etc, then maybe getting the right detail becomes more important.
Incidentally, I'm in awe of people who can sight-read. It's not something I aspire to myself because I enjoy the freedom of playing things how I hear them rather than being too dictated-to. But watching someone sight read a piece is to me quite astonishing.
I've had the same thing said by sight-readers about those who can play by ear, which underlines Tim's answer.
Before I start, I will mention that I can really only play (guitar, sing and drums) by ear. If I learn from something written down, I'm much slower and can't read music so it has to be tab or chord notation. In honesty, I've never needed to go further than this in order to get a LOT of enjoyment from music.
Learning a piece by ear is ace fun, and you'll get probably 90% of popular tunes easily. However when you get to something that's hard to hear (!) in detail, you probably need to see it written down.
The difference is that 'by ear' gives you a feel for it, and a good hint at a piece. Seeing it written down tells you THE CORRRECT THING TO PLAY.
However this doesn't necessarily mean sight-reading. It could be just reading the notes of a tricky part and getting them sorted at your own pace, then getting the rest right by ear.
Perhaps it depends on the kind of music you're playing. If you're playing popular tunes, or something jazzy etc then by-ear is usually enough detail to get them learnt. If you're playing tricky classical pieces with intricate arpeggias etc, then maybe getting the right detail becomes more important.
Incidentally, I'm in awe of people who can sight-read. It's not something I aspire to myself because I enjoy the freedom of playing things how I hear them rather than being too dictated-to. But watching someone sight read a piece is to me quite astonishing.
I've had the same thing said by sight-readers about those who can play by ear, which underlines Tim's answer.
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There is a common misconception on what "playing by ear" is. Many people think it is knowing what a melody is then hunting and pecking on your instrument for the correct notes. One wouldn't walk through a mine field like that so why would we attempt to perform like that? Because you probably know how to read and sound out words, I can say "cat" and you will be able to guess KAT or CAT or maybe even QHUAT. That is because you have mastered the alphabet and sounding out with your mind's ear.
True playing by ear is more cerebral than you think. It involves knowing all your scales, some degree of music theory and the ability to see the notes in your mind's eye when you hear them. Here is what I mean.
I can hear the tune ODE TO JOY in my head. Because I sing a lot but sing by visualizing sheet music (usually by the pool) in my head, I just know that the melody starts on the third. I can hear it start on the third. From there, as I hear each pitch, I just know what the numeric values are:
33455432 1123322 33455432 1123211
As I hum, I simply know those corresponding numbers because I only think in numbers. An added benefit to reading by numbers and not letters is that I can then transpose that into any key. Just start on the third of any scale and play those numbers. Poof, you're a genius. If I am improvising and I wish to quote this melody, I only have to aim for the third. There is no hunt and peck, there is no guessing, there is no "playing by ear." It is all brain conversion from inner ear.
The good news is that you can practice this anywhere without the need for a piano. Lying in bed, driving a car, lounging by the pool, hiking through the woods, listening to the homily . . . Also, whenever you hear music, don't just hum along, listen or ignore it, use it to practice. What is the starting pitch? Is it on the 1, 3, 5? Does the bridge change keys a fourth higher? What is the chord progression? You can hear all these things and translate them to numbers on the fly. WITH PRACTICE.
Some teachers teach the solfege method but I find numbers easier and if I am jamming with other musicians I can just hold up a finger. I can't hold up a SOL.
Try it with something simple such as MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB. It starts on the third. Don't use just your ear, employ the brain. Don't guess, know. I'll wait. My brain tells me the pitches are 3212333 222 355 3212333322321. Did you get those too? Go test them on the piano in any key.
Now, someone is going to chime in saying "That is fine and dandy for melody but you can't do that with larger works, fugues or etudes." What they are really saying is THEY can't do it. Because I only read by numbers I can see all the numbers. If they read by letters, they see letters. I can't fly an airplane so therefore nobody can. All you need to do is know your scales and intervals and what each interval sounds like - away from the piano.
As an added bonus, you will find memorization to come rather quickly. Actually you are not "memorizing" notes. Your ear will hear and you'll just know or read in your mind. I don't have GOLDILOCKS AND THE THREE BEARS memorized but I can fake the story.
This will be offensive to many people but I consider letter readers to be musically illiterate. Like, they can speak but not read. My folk group musicians are all excellent readers. They can play anything I put before them. However, if I ask them to raise it a third, they can't. Why? They really don't know what they are doing. Matching dots to a key is so easy a parrot can do it. In the following video, I doubt the bird knows what a square, circle or isosceles trapezium is. This bird is not genius, it is just matching shapes like it was trained to do. BTW, this is how Beethoven could compose while deaf. His ear may have been deaf but his brain wasn't. Go ahead, "hum" something in your brain. What were the numbers?
Parrot matches shapes
A good way to practice is to go steal a hymnbook from your local Protestant church (God will forgive you) and away from the piano, number sing all four parts. Start with just one line at a time (SAT or B). Soon you will see all four parts by their numbers. Hymns are great to start with because they rarely go beyond and octave, the notes are repetitive, the form is often AABA and all the notes are chord tones. Study, study, study, study, study. Then sit at the piano. Oh, if you don't want to beg, borrow or steal, you can check out hymnary.org but taking a book with you means you can "practice" anywhere, anytime.
1
I agree with much of what you say (+1), but once someone is familiar enough with an instrument, I think it is often possible for then to just pick out the notes of a melody they've heard without analysing it first. Many people without the musical training to identify intervals can sing a melody back correctly, isn't doing the equivalent on the guitar a similar skill?
– topo morto
14 hours ago
Can you figure out the numbers for less tonal pieces? I guess you can for 12-tone serialist pieces, but I once transcribed a piece that had the F7/Eb - G7/F - Ab/Bb - G/A chord progression at one point, and I suspect passages like this raise difficulties when trying to assign note numbers to them.
– Dekkadeci
10 hours ago
While there's a lot of interesting food for thought in this answer, I don't see how it answers the question. Instead, it's an essay about what comprises music literacy in your opinion. (I happen to agree with a lot of what's written here, but that's not the point.) It'd also be a much better answer if it were less confrontational ("offensive to many people") and more helpful (e.g., "this is a method that works well for me"). I hope this helps improve the answer!
– neilfein
8 hours ago
add a comment |
There is a common misconception on what "playing by ear" is. Many people think it is knowing what a melody is then hunting and pecking on your instrument for the correct notes. One wouldn't walk through a mine field like that so why would we attempt to perform like that? Because you probably know how to read and sound out words, I can say "cat" and you will be able to guess KAT or CAT or maybe even QHUAT. That is because you have mastered the alphabet and sounding out with your mind's ear.
True playing by ear is more cerebral than you think. It involves knowing all your scales, some degree of music theory and the ability to see the notes in your mind's eye when you hear them. Here is what I mean.
I can hear the tune ODE TO JOY in my head. Because I sing a lot but sing by visualizing sheet music (usually by the pool) in my head, I just know that the melody starts on the third. I can hear it start on the third. From there, as I hear each pitch, I just know what the numeric values are:
33455432 1123322 33455432 1123211
As I hum, I simply know those corresponding numbers because I only think in numbers. An added benefit to reading by numbers and not letters is that I can then transpose that into any key. Just start on the third of any scale and play those numbers. Poof, you're a genius. If I am improvising and I wish to quote this melody, I only have to aim for the third. There is no hunt and peck, there is no guessing, there is no "playing by ear." It is all brain conversion from inner ear.
The good news is that you can practice this anywhere without the need for a piano. Lying in bed, driving a car, lounging by the pool, hiking through the woods, listening to the homily . . . Also, whenever you hear music, don't just hum along, listen or ignore it, use it to practice. What is the starting pitch? Is it on the 1, 3, 5? Does the bridge change keys a fourth higher? What is the chord progression? You can hear all these things and translate them to numbers on the fly. WITH PRACTICE.
Some teachers teach the solfege method but I find numbers easier and if I am jamming with other musicians I can just hold up a finger. I can't hold up a SOL.
Try it with something simple such as MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB. It starts on the third. Don't use just your ear, employ the brain. Don't guess, know. I'll wait. My brain tells me the pitches are 3212333 222 355 3212333322321. Did you get those too? Go test them on the piano in any key.
Now, someone is going to chime in saying "That is fine and dandy for melody but you can't do that with larger works, fugues or etudes." What they are really saying is THEY can't do it. Because I only read by numbers I can see all the numbers. If they read by letters, they see letters. I can't fly an airplane so therefore nobody can. All you need to do is know your scales and intervals and what each interval sounds like - away from the piano.
As an added bonus, you will find memorization to come rather quickly. Actually you are not "memorizing" notes. Your ear will hear and you'll just know or read in your mind. I don't have GOLDILOCKS AND THE THREE BEARS memorized but I can fake the story.
This will be offensive to many people but I consider letter readers to be musically illiterate. Like, they can speak but not read. My folk group musicians are all excellent readers. They can play anything I put before them. However, if I ask them to raise it a third, they can't. Why? They really don't know what they are doing. Matching dots to a key is so easy a parrot can do it. In the following video, I doubt the bird knows what a square, circle or isosceles trapezium is. This bird is not genius, it is just matching shapes like it was trained to do. BTW, this is how Beethoven could compose while deaf. His ear may have been deaf but his brain wasn't. Go ahead, "hum" something in your brain. What were the numbers?
Parrot matches shapes
A good way to practice is to go steal a hymnbook from your local Protestant church (God will forgive you) and away from the piano, number sing all four parts. Start with just one line at a time (SAT or B). Soon you will see all four parts by their numbers. Hymns are great to start with because they rarely go beyond and octave, the notes are repetitive, the form is often AABA and all the notes are chord tones. Study, study, study, study, study. Then sit at the piano. Oh, if you don't want to beg, borrow or steal, you can check out hymnary.org but taking a book with you means you can "practice" anywhere, anytime.
1
I agree with much of what you say (+1), but once someone is familiar enough with an instrument, I think it is often possible for then to just pick out the notes of a melody they've heard without analysing it first. Many people without the musical training to identify intervals can sing a melody back correctly, isn't doing the equivalent on the guitar a similar skill?
– topo morto
14 hours ago
Can you figure out the numbers for less tonal pieces? I guess you can for 12-tone serialist pieces, but I once transcribed a piece that had the F7/Eb - G7/F - Ab/Bb - G/A chord progression at one point, and I suspect passages like this raise difficulties when trying to assign note numbers to them.
– Dekkadeci
10 hours ago
While there's a lot of interesting food for thought in this answer, I don't see how it answers the question. Instead, it's an essay about what comprises music literacy in your opinion. (I happen to agree with a lot of what's written here, but that's not the point.) It'd also be a much better answer if it were less confrontational ("offensive to many people") and more helpful (e.g., "this is a method that works well for me"). I hope this helps improve the answer!
– neilfein
8 hours ago
add a comment |
There is a common misconception on what "playing by ear" is. Many people think it is knowing what a melody is then hunting and pecking on your instrument for the correct notes. One wouldn't walk through a mine field like that so why would we attempt to perform like that? Because you probably know how to read and sound out words, I can say "cat" and you will be able to guess KAT or CAT or maybe even QHUAT. That is because you have mastered the alphabet and sounding out with your mind's ear.
True playing by ear is more cerebral than you think. It involves knowing all your scales, some degree of music theory and the ability to see the notes in your mind's eye when you hear them. Here is what I mean.
I can hear the tune ODE TO JOY in my head. Because I sing a lot but sing by visualizing sheet music (usually by the pool) in my head, I just know that the melody starts on the third. I can hear it start on the third. From there, as I hear each pitch, I just know what the numeric values are:
33455432 1123322 33455432 1123211
As I hum, I simply know those corresponding numbers because I only think in numbers. An added benefit to reading by numbers and not letters is that I can then transpose that into any key. Just start on the third of any scale and play those numbers. Poof, you're a genius. If I am improvising and I wish to quote this melody, I only have to aim for the third. There is no hunt and peck, there is no guessing, there is no "playing by ear." It is all brain conversion from inner ear.
The good news is that you can practice this anywhere without the need for a piano. Lying in bed, driving a car, lounging by the pool, hiking through the woods, listening to the homily . . . Also, whenever you hear music, don't just hum along, listen or ignore it, use it to practice. What is the starting pitch? Is it on the 1, 3, 5? Does the bridge change keys a fourth higher? What is the chord progression? You can hear all these things and translate them to numbers on the fly. WITH PRACTICE.
Some teachers teach the solfege method but I find numbers easier and if I am jamming with other musicians I can just hold up a finger. I can't hold up a SOL.
Try it with something simple such as MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB. It starts on the third. Don't use just your ear, employ the brain. Don't guess, know. I'll wait. My brain tells me the pitches are 3212333 222 355 3212333322321. Did you get those too? Go test them on the piano in any key.
Now, someone is going to chime in saying "That is fine and dandy for melody but you can't do that with larger works, fugues or etudes." What they are really saying is THEY can't do it. Because I only read by numbers I can see all the numbers. If they read by letters, they see letters. I can't fly an airplane so therefore nobody can. All you need to do is know your scales and intervals and what each interval sounds like - away from the piano.
As an added bonus, you will find memorization to come rather quickly. Actually you are not "memorizing" notes. Your ear will hear and you'll just know or read in your mind. I don't have GOLDILOCKS AND THE THREE BEARS memorized but I can fake the story.
This will be offensive to many people but I consider letter readers to be musically illiterate. Like, they can speak but not read. My folk group musicians are all excellent readers. They can play anything I put before them. However, if I ask them to raise it a third, they can't. Why? They really don't know what they are doing. Matching dots to a key is so easy a parrot can do it. In the following video, I doubt the bird knows what a square, circle or isosceles trapezium is. This bird is not genius, it is just matching shapes like it was trained to do. BTW, this is how Beethoven could compose while deaf. His ear may have been deaf but his brain wasn't. Go ahead, "hum" something in your brain. What were the numbers?
Parrot matches shapes
A good way to practice is to go steal a hymnbook from your local Protestant church (God will forgive you) and away from the piano, number sing all four parts. Start with just one line at a time (SAT or B). Soon you will see all four parts by their numbers. Hymns are great to start with because they rarely go beyond and octave, the notes are repetitive, the form is often AABA and all the notes are chord tones. Study, study, study, study, study. Then sit at the piano. Oh, if you don't want to beg, borrow or steal, you can check out hymnary.org but taking a book with you means you can "practice" anywhere, anytime.
There is a common misconception on what "playing by ear" is. Many people think it is knowing what a melody is then hunting and pecking on your instrument for the correct notes. One wouldn't walk through a mine field like that so why would we attempt to perform like that? Because you probably know how to read and sound out words, I can say "cat" and you will be able to guess KAT or CAT or maybe even QHUAT. That is because you have mastered the alphabet and sounding out with your mind's ear.
True playing by ear is more cerebral than you think. It involves knowing all your scales, some degree of music theory and the ability to see the notes in your mind's eye when you hear them. Here is what I mean.
I can hear the tune ODE TO JOY in my head. Because I sing a lot but sing by visualizing sheet music (usually by the pool) in my head, I just know that the melody starts on the third. I can hear it start on the third. From there, as I hear each pitch, I just know what the numeric values are:
33455432 1123322 33455432 1123211
As I hum, I simply know those corresponding numbers because I only think in numbers. An added benefit to reading by numbers and not letters is that I can then transpose that into any key. Just start on the third of any scale and play those numbers. Poof, you're a genius. If I am improvising and I wish to quote this melody, I only have to aim for the third. There is no hunt and peck, there is no guessing, there is no "playing by ear." It is all brain conversion from inner ear.
The good news is that you can practice this anywhere without the need for a piano. Lying in bed, driving a car, lounging by the pool, hiking through the woods, listening to the homily . . . Also, whenever you hear music, don't just hum along, listen or ignore it, use it to practice. What is the starting pitch? Is it on the 1, 3, 5? Does the bridge change keys a fourth higher? What is the chord progression? You can hear all these things and translate them to numbers on the fly. WITH PRACTICE.
Some teachers teach the solfege method but I find numbers easier and if I am jamming with other musicians I can just hold up a finger. I can't hold up a SOL.
Try it with something simple such as MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB. It starts on the third. Don't use just your ear, employ the brain. Don't guess, know. I'll wait. My brain tells me the pitches are 3212333 222 355 3212333322321. Did you get those too? Go test them on the piano in any key.
Now, someone is going to chime in saying "That is fine and dandy for melody but you can't do that with larger works, fugues or etudes." What they are really saying is THEY can't do it. Because I only read by numbers I can see all the numbers. If they read by letters, they see letters. I can't fly an airplane so therefore nobody can. All you need to do is know your scales and intervals and what each interval sounds like - away from the piano.
As an added bonus, you will find memorization to come rather quickly. Actually you are not "memorizing" notes. Your ear will hear and you'll just know or read in your mind. I don't have GOLDILOCKS AND THE THREE BEARS memorized but I can fake the story.
This will be offensive to many people but I consider letter readers to be musically illiterate. Like, they can speak but not read. My folk group musicians are all excellent readers. They can play anything I put before them. However, if I ask them to raise it a third, they can't. Why? They really don't know what they are doing. Matching dots to a key is so easy a parrot can do it. In the following video, I doubt the bird knows what a square, circle or isosceles trapezium is. This bird is not genius, it is just matching shapes like it was trained to do. BTW, this is how Beethoven could compose while deaf. His ear may have been deaf but his brain wasn't. Go ahead, "hum" something in your brain. What were the numbers?
Parrot matches shapes
A good way to practice is to go steal a hymnbook from your local Protestant church (God will forgive you) and away from the piano, number sing all four parts. Start with just one line at a time (SAT or B). Soon you will see all four parts by their numbers. Hymns are great to start with because they rarely go beyond and octave, the notes are repetitive, the form is often AABA and all the notes are chord tones. Study, study, study, study, study. Then sit at the piano. Oh, if you don't want to beg, borrow or steal, you can check out hymnary.org but taking a book with you means you can "practice" anywhere, anytime.
answered 14 hours ago
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I agree with much of what you say (+1), but once someone is familiar enough with an instrument, I think it is often possible for then to just pick out the notes of a melody they've heard without analysing it first. Many people without the musical training to identify intervals can sing a melody back correctly, isn't doing the equivalent on the guitar a similar skill?
– topo morto
14 hours ago
Can you figure out the numbers for less tonal pieces? I guess you can for 12-tone serialist pieces, but I once transcribed a piece that had the F7/Eb - G7/F - Ab/Bb - G/A chord progression at one point, and I suspect passages like this raise difficulties when trying to assign note numbers to them.
– Dekkadeci
10 hours ago
While there's a lot of interesting food for thought in this answer, I don't see how it answers the question. Instead, it's an essay about what comprises music literacy in your opinion. (I happen to agree with a lot of what's written here, but that's not the point.) It'd also be a much better answer if it were less confrontational ("offensive to many people") and more helpful (e.g., "this is a method that works well for me"). I hope this helps improve the answer!
– neilfein
8 hours ago
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I agree with much of what you say (+1), but once someone is familiar enough with an instrument, I think it is often possible for then to just pick out the notes of a melody they've heard without analysing it first. Many people without the musical training to identify intervals can sing a melody back correctly, isn't doing the equivalent on the guitar a similar skill?
– topo morto
14 hours ago
Can you figure out the numbers for less tonal pieces? I guess you can for 12-tone serialist pieces, but I once transcribed a piece that had the F7/Eb - G7/F - Ab/Bb - G/A chord progression at one point, and I suspect passages like this raise difficulties when trying to assign note numbers to them.
– Dekkadeci
10 hours ago
While there's a lot of interesting food for thought in this answer, I don't see how it answers the question. Instead, it's an essay about what comprises music literacy in your opinion. (I happen to agree with a lot of what's written here, but that's not the point.) It'd also be a much better answer if it were less confrontational ("offensive to many people") and more helpful (e.g., "this is a method that works well for me"). I hope this helps improve the answer!
– neilfein
8 hours ago
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I agree with much of what you say (+1), but once someone is familiar enough with an instrument, I think it is often possible for then to just pick out the notes of a melody they've heard without analysing it first. Many people without the musical training to identify intervals can sing a melody back correctly, isn't doing the equivalent on the guitar a similar skill?
– topo morto
14 hours ago
I agree with much of what you say (+1), but once someone is familiar enough with an instrument, I think it is often possible for then to just pick out the notes of a melody they've heard without analysing it first. Many people without the musical training to identify intervals can sing a melody back correctly, isn't doing the equivalent on the guitar a similar skill?
– topo morto
14 hours ago
Can you figure out the numbers for less tonal pieces? I guess you can for 12-tone serialist pieces, but I once transcribed a piece that had the F7/Eb - G7/F - Ab/Bb - G/A chord progression at one point, and I suspect passages like this raise difficulties when trying to assign note numbers to them.
– Dekkadeci
10 hours ago
Can you figure out the numbers for less tonal pieces? I guess you can for 12-tone serialist pieces, but I once transcribed a piece that had the F7/Eb - G7/F - Ab/Bb - G/A chord progression at one point, and I suspect passages like this raise difficulties when trying to assign note numbers to them.
– Dekkadeci
10 hours ago
While there's a lot of interesting food for thought in this answer, I don't see how it answers the question. Instead, it's an essay about what comprises music literacy in your opinion. (I happen to agree with a lot of what's written here, but that's not the point.) It'd also be a much better answer if it were less confrontational ("offensive to many people") and more helpful (e.g., "this is a method that works well for me"). I hope this helps improve the answer!
– neilfein
8 hours ago
While there's a lot of interesting food for thought in this answer, I don't see how it answers the question. Instead, it's an essay about what comprises music literacy in your opinion. (I happen to agree with a lot of what's written here, but that's not the point.) It'd also be a much better answer if it were less confrontational ("offensive to many people") and more helpful (e.g., "this is a method that works well for me"). I hope this helps improve the answer!
– neilfein
8 hours ago
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Do you mean you want to improvise piano arrangements of songs, where the vocal part of the song will be played instrumentally on the piano? That contrasted with playing the piano part of song.
– Michael Curtis
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