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If one has two elder brothers, is it OK to say "My eldest brother is this and the second eldest is that"?
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If one has two elder brothers, is it OK to say "My eldest brother is this and the second eldest is that"?
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Eldest is a superlative, while elder is a comparative. While you have two elder brothers, there can only be one eldest brother.
If you say,
My elder brother lives in Los Angeles, while my eldest brother lives in Chicago.
then the hearer would know that you have at least two elder brothers and that the oldest lives in Chicago.
answered Jul 19 at 14:47
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I wouldn't contrast "my eldest brother" with "my elder brother" like this. The expression "my elder brother" is typically understood as meaning something like "my brother who is older than me". So when you start a sentence with "my elder brother", it's not clear that you have two brothers and that you are talking about the younger one.
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:01
I don't see how there is anything wrong with the expression "second eldest". Superlatives are fairly commonly prefixed with "second" to indicate "the next-to-greatest".
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:03
Related: Can the eldest sibling of three males call his younger brother “my older brother”
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:12
The specific phrase "My eldest brother is this and the second eldest is that" complicates the apparent issue into near incomprehensibility. I suggest that older/elder/eldest is vastly more complex than most of us realise, and not simply because at least a huge minority of, if not most English speakers couldn't explain it to save their lives. If you're sure "older/elder/eldest" isn't about number, that's fine. In my view there is no comparison to older/elder/eldest in any other part of English, purely because this is about number… More…
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:29
Further… “Good/better/best” has nothing to do with number in English or any other language while several Central European languages do make important distinctions among one; more than one and up to five; more than five; many. (Try, for instance Czech, Polish, Slovakian, Slovenian and possibly Russian, among others.)
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:32
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I think that's fine, but other people evidently disagree. I found discussion of the topic of whether "second eldest" is a correct turn of expression in a court case, actually:
It is said, "second eldest" is not grammar; there can only be one "eldest". I do not agree in that. I suppose that it would be good grammar to say "A, B and C, are the three oldest men in the parish."
(Thellusson v. Rendlesham [1858-59], in The English Reports, Volume XI: House of Lords, Containing House of Lords Cases (Clark's), Volumes 7 to 11)
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Older and oldest refer to age
--> She is the oldest member of the committee.
Elder and eldest refer to seniority within a family.
--> My eldest sister is 4 years older than me.
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You don't have an "eldest" because there are only two. Same reason you don't have "second eldest" even. Both are your elder brothers:
the older of the elder brothers and the younger of the elder brothers.
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If both brothers are older, why do you need to specify elder? My oldest (youngest) brother would suffice and is not ambiguous.
– JJJ
Jul 25 at 6:29
@JJJ Perhaps. :D
– Kris
Jul 25 at 6:30
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Eldest is a superlative, while elder is a comparative. While you have two elder brothers, there can only be one eldest brother.
If you say,
My elder brother lives in Los Angeles, while my eldest brother lives in Chicago.
then the hearer would know that you have at least two elder brothers and that the oldest lives in Chicago.
answered Jul 19 at 14:47
rajah9
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I wouldn't contrast "my eldest brother" with "my elder brother" like this. The expression "my elder brother" is typically understood as meaning something like "my brother who is older than me". So when you start a sentence with "my elder brother", it's not clear that you have two brothers and that you are talking about the younger one.
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:01
I don't see how there is anything wrong with the expression "second eldest". Superlatives are fairly commonly prefixed with "second" to indicate "the next-to-greatest".
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:03
Related: Can the eldest sibling of three males call his younger brother “my older brother”
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:12
The specific phrase "My eldest brother is this and the second eldest is that" complicates the apparent issue into near incomprehensibility. I suggest that older/elder/eldest is vastly more complex than most of us realise, and not simply because at least a huge minority of, if not most English speakers couldn't explain it to save their lives. If you're sure "older/elder/eldest" isn't about number, that's fine. In my view there is no comparison to older/elder/eldest in any other part of English, purely because this is about number… More…
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:29
Further… “Good/better/best” has nothing to do with number in English or any other language while several Central European languages do make important distinctions among one; more than one and up to five; more than five; many. (Try, for instance Czech, Polish, Slovakian, Slovenian and possibly Russian, among others.)
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:32
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Eldest is a superlative, while elder is a comparative. While you have two elder brothers, there can only be one eldest brother.
If you say,
My elder brother lives in Los Angeles, while my eldest brother lives in Chicago.
then the hearer would know that you have at least two elder brothers and that the oldest lives in Chicago.
answered Jul 19 at 14:47
rajah9
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I wouldn't contrast "my eldest brother" with "my elder brother" like this. The expression "my elder brother" is typically understood as meaning something like "my brother who is older than me". So when you start a sentence with "my elder brother", it's not clear that you have two brothers and that you are talking about the younger one.
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:01
I don't see how there is anything wrong with the expression "second eldest". Superlatives are fairly commonly prefixed with "second" to indicate "the next-to-greatest".
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:03
Related: Can the eldest sibling of three males call his younger brother “my older brother”
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:12
The specific phrase "My eldest brother is this and the second eldest is that" complicates the apparent issue into near incomprehensibility. I suggest that older/elder/eldest is vastly more complex than most of us realise, and not simply because at least a huge minority of, if not most English speakers couldn't explain it to save their lives. If you're sure "older/elder/eldest" isn't about number, that's fine. In my view there is no comparison to older/elder/eldest in any other part of English, purely because this is about number… More…
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:29
Further… “Good/better/best” has nothing to do with number in English or any other language while several Central European languages do make important distinctions among one; more than one and up to five; more than five; many. (Try, for instance Czech, Polish, Slovakian, Slovenian and possibly Russian, among others.)
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:32
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Eldest is a superlative, while elder is a comparative. While you have two elder brothers, there can only be one eldest brother.
If you say,
My elder brother lives in Los Angeles, while my eldest brother lives in Chicago.
then the hearer would know that you have at least two elder brothers and that the oldest lives in Chicago.
answered Jul 19 at 14:47
rajah9
9,92211944
Eldest is a superlative, while elder is a comparative. While you have two elder brothers, there can only be one eldest brother.
If you say,
My elder brother lives in Los Angeles, while my eldest brother lives in Chicago.
then the hearer would know that you have at least two elder brothers and that the oldest lives in Chicago.
answered Jul 19 at 14:47
rajah9
9,92211944
answered Jul 19 at 14:47
rajah9
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answered Jul 19 at 14:47
rajah9
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answered Jul 19 at 14:47
rajah9
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I wouldn't contrast "my eldest brother" with "my elder brother" like this. The expression "my elder brother" is typically understood as meaning something like "my brother who is older than me". So when you start a sentence with "my elder brother", it's not clear that you have two brothers and that you are talking about the younger one.
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:01
I don't see how there is anything wrong with the expression "second eldest". Superlatives are fairly commonly prefixed with "second" to indicate "the next-to-greatest".
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:03
Related: Can the eldest sibling of three males call his younger brother “my older brother”
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:12
The specific phrase "My eldest brother is this and the second eldest is that" complicates the apparent issue into near incomprehensibility. I suggest that older/elder/eldest is vastly more complex than most of us realise, and not simply because at least a huge minority of, if not most English speakers couldn't explain it to save their lives. If you're sure "older/elder/eldest" isn't about number, that's fine. In my view there is no comparison to older/elder/eldest in any other part of English, purely because this is about number… More…
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:29
Further… “Good/better/best” has nothing to do with number in English or any other language while several Central European languages do make important distinctions among one; more than one and up to five; more than five; many. (Try, for instance Czech, Polish, Slovakian, Slovenian and possibly Russian, among others.)
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:32
add a comment |
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I wouldn't contrast "my eldest brother" with "my elder brother" like this. The expression "my elder brother" is typically understood as meaning something like "my brother who is older than me". So when you start a sentence with "my elder brother", it's not clear that you have two brothers and that you are talking about the younger one.
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:01
I don't see how there is anything wrong with the expression "second eldest". Superlatives are fairly commonly prefixed with "second" to indicate "the next-to-greatest".
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:03
Related: Can the eldest sibling of three males call his younger brother “my older brother”
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:12
The specific phrase "My eldest brother is this and the second eldest is that" complicates the apparent issue into near incomprehensibility. I suggest that older/elder/eldest is vastly more complex than most of us realise, and not simply because at least a huge minority of, if not most English speakers couldn't explain it to save their lives. If you're sure "older/elder/eldest" isn't about number, that's fine. In my view there is no comparison to older/elder/eldest in any other part of English, purely because this is about number… More…
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:29
Further… “Good/better/best” has nothing to do with number in English or any other language while several Central European languages do make important distinctions among one; more than one and up to five; more than five; many. (Try, for instance Czech, Polish, Slovakian, Slovenian and possibly Russian, among others.)
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:32
1
1
I wouldn't contrast "my eldest brother" with "my elder brother" like this. The expression "my elder brother" is typically understood as meaning something like "my brother who is older than me". So when you start a sentence with "my elder brother", it's not clear that you have two brothers and that you are talking about the younger one.
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:01
I wouldn't contrast "my eldest brother" with "my elder brother" like this. The expression "my elder brother" is typically understood as meaning something like "my brother who is older than me". So when you start a sentence with "my elder brother", it's not clear that you have two brothers and that you are talking about the younger one.
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:01
I don't see how there is anything wrong with the expression "second eldest". Superlatives are fairly commonly prefixed with "second" to indicate "the next-to-greatest".
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:03
I don't see how there is anything wrong with the expression "second eldest". Superlatives are fairly commonly prefixed with "second" to indicate "the next-to-greatest".
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:03
Related: Can the eldest sibling of three males call his younger brother “my older brother”
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:12
Related: Can the eldest sibling of three males call his younger brother “my older brother”
– sumelic
Jul 19 at 15:12
The specific phrase "My eldest brother is this and the second eldest is that" complicates the apparent issue into near incomprehensibility. I suggest that older/elder/eldest is vastly more complex than most of us realise, and not simply because at least a huge minority of, if not most English speakers couldn't explain it to save their lives. If you're sure "older/elder/eldest" isn't about number, that's fine. In my view there is no comparison to older/elder/eldest in any other part of English, purely because this is about number… More…
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:29
The specific phrase "My eldest brother is this and the second eldest is that" complicates the apparent issue into near incomprehensibility. I suggest that older/elder/eldest is vastly more complex than most of us realise, and not simply because at least a huge minority of, if not most English speakers couldn't explain it to save their lives. If you're sure "older/elder/eldest" isn't about number, that's fine. In my view there is no comparison to older/elder/eldest in any other part of English, purely because this is about number… More…
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:29
Further… “Good/better/best” has nothing to do with number in English or any other language while several Central European languages do make important distinctions among one; more than one and up to five; more than five; many. (Try, for instance Czech, Polish, Slovakian, Slovenian and possibly Russian, among others.)
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:32
Further… “Good/better/best” has nothing to do with number in English or any other language while several Central European languages do make important distinctions among one; more than one and up to five; more than five; many. (Try, for instance Czech, Polish, Slovakian, Slovenian and possibly Russian, among others.)
– Robbie Goodwin
Jul 19 at 21:32
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I think that's fine, but other people evidently disagree. I found discussion of the topic of whether "second eldest" is a correct turn of expression in a court case, actually:
It is said, "second eldest" is not grammar; there can only be one "eldest". I do not agree in that. I suppose that it would be good grammar to say "A, B and C, are the three oldest men in the parish."
(Thellusson v. Rendlesham [1858-59], in The English Reports, Volume XI: House of Lords, Containing House of Lords Cases (Clark's), Volumes 7 to 11)
answered Jul 19 at 15:12
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I think that's fine, but other people evidently disagree. I found discussion of the topic of whether "second eldest" is a correct turn of expression in a court case, actually:
It is said, "second eldest" is not grammar; there can only be one "eldest". I do not agree in that. I suppose that it would be good grammar to say "A, B and C, are the three oldest men in the parish."
(Thellusson v. Rendlesham [1858-59], in The English Reports, Volume XI: House of Lords, Containing House of Lords Cases (Clark's), Volumes 7 to 11)
answered Jul 19 at 15:12
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I think that's fine, but other people evidently disagree. I found discussion of the topic of whether "second eldest" is a correct turn of expression in a court case, actually:
It is said, "second eldest" is not grammar; there can only be one "eldest". I do not agree in that. I suppose that it would be good grammar to say "A, B and C, are the three oldest men in the parish."
(Thellusson v. Rendlesham [1858-59], in The English Reports, Volume XI: House of Lords, Containing House of Lords Cases (Clark's), Volumes 7 to 11)
answered Jul 19 at 15:12
sumelic
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I think that's fine, but other people evidently disagree. I found discussion of the topic of whether "second eldest" is a correct turn of expression in a court case, actually:
It is said, "second eldest" is not grammar; there can only be one "eldest". I do not agree in that. I suppose that it would be good grammar to say "A, B and C, are the three oldest men in the parish."
(Thellusson v. Rendlesham [1858-59], in The English Reports, Volume XI: House of Lords, Containing House of Lords Cases (Clark's), Volumes 7 to 11)
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Older and oldest refer to age
--> She is the oldest member of the committee.
Elder and eldest refer to seniority within a family.
--> My eldest sister is 4 years older than me.
answered Oct 24 at 7:10
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Hi Peter, welcome to EL&U. I'm inclined to agree with your answer, but at this site we don't rely on personal opinion, we seek authoritative answers backed up by evidence. You can edit your post to add a quote from a reference book or an explanation and link to an online source. See How to Answer for further guidance. :-)
– Chappo
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Older and oldest refer to age
--> She is the oldest member of the committee.
Elder and eldest refer to seniority within a family.
--> My eldest sister is 4 years older than me.
answered Oct 24 at 7:10
Peter Selie
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Hi Peter, welcome to EL&U. I'm inclined to agree with your answer, but at this site we don't rely on personal opinion, we seek authoritative answers backed up by evidence. You can edit your post to add a quote from a reference book or an explanation and link to an online source. See How to Answer for further guidance. :-)
– Chappo
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Older and oldest refer to age
--> She is the oldest member of the committee.
Elder and eldest refer to seniority within a family.
--> My eldest sister is 4 years older than me.
answered Oct 24 at 7:10
Peter Selie
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Older and oldest refer to age
--> She is the oldest member of the committee.
Elder and eldest refer to seniority within a family.
--> My eldest sister is 4 years older than me.
answered Oct 24 at 7:10
Peter Selie
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answered Oct 24 at 7:10
Peter Selie
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answered Oct 24 at 7:10
Peter Selie
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answered Oct 24 at 7:10
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Hi Peter, welcome to EL&U. I'm inclined to agree with your answer, but at this site we don't rely on personal opinion, we seek authoritative answers backed up by evidence. You can edit your post to add a quote from a reference book or an explanation and link to an online source. See How to Answer for further guidance. :-)
– Chappo
Oct 24 at 8:14
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Hi Peter, welcome to EL&U. I'm inclined to agree with your answer, but at this site we don't rely on personal opinion, we seek authoritative answers backed up by evidence. You can edit your post to add a quote from a reference book or an explanation and link to an online source. See How to Answer for further guidance. :-)
– Chappo
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Hi Peter, welcome to EL&U. I'm inclined to agree with your answer, but at this site we don't rely on personal opinion, we seek authoritative answers backed up by evidence. You can edit your post to add a quote from a reference book or an explanation and link to an online source. See How to Answer for further guidance. :-)
– Chappo
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Hi Peter, welcome to EL&U. I'm inclined to agree with your answer, but at this site we don't rely on personal opinion, we seek authoritative answers backed up by evidence. You can edit your post to add a quote from a reference book or an explanation and link to an online source. See How to Answer for further guidance. :-)
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You don't have an "eldest" because there are only two. Same reason you don't have "second eldest" even. Both are your elder brothers:
the older of the elder brothers and the younger of the elder brothers.
answered Jul 23 at 8:53
Kris
32.3k541116
If both brothers are older, why do you need to specify elder? My oldest (youngest) brother would suffice and is not ambiguous.
– JJJ
Jul 25 at 6:29
@JJJ Perhaps. :D
– Kris
Jul 25 at 6:30
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You don't have an "eldest" because there are only two. Same reason you don't have "second eldest" even. Both are your elder brothers:
the older of the elder brothers and the younger of the elder brothers.
answered Jul 23 at 8:53
Kris
32.3k541116
If both brothers are older, why do you need to specify elder? My oldest (youngest) brother would suffice and is not ambiguous.
– JJJ
Jul 25 at 6:29
@JJJ Perhaps. :D
– Kris
Jul 25 at 6:30
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up vote
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You don't have an "eldest" because there are only two. Same reason you don't have "second eldest" even. Both are your elder brothers:
the older of the elder brothers and the younger of the elder brothers.
answered Jul 23 at 8:53
Kris
32.3k541116
You don't have an "eldest" because there are only two. Same reason you don't have "second eldest" even. Both are your elder brothers:
the older of the elder brothers and the younger of the elder brothers.
answered Jul 23 at 8:53
Kris
32.3k541116
answered Jul 23 at 8:53
Kris
32.3k541116
answered Jul 23 at 8:53
Kris
32.3k541116
answered Jul 23 at 8:53
Kris
32.3k541116
32.3k541116
If both brothers are older, why do you need to specify elder? My oldest (youngest) brother would suffice and is not ambiguous.
– JJJ
Jul 25 at 6:29
@JJJ Perhaps. :D
– Kris
Jul 25 at 6:30
add a comment |
If both brothers are older, why do you need to specify elder? My oldest (youngest) brother would suffice and is not ambiguous.
– JJJ
Jul 25 at 6:29
@JJJ Perhaps. :D
– Kris
Jul 25 at 6:30
If both brothers are older, why do you need to specify elder? My oldest (youngest) brother would suffice and is not ambiguous.
– JJJ
Jul 25 at 6:29
If both brothers are older, why do you need to specify elder? My oldest (youngest) brother would suffice and is not ambiguous.
– JJJ
Jul 25 at 6:29
@JJJ Perhaps. :D
– Kris
Jul 25 at 6:30
@JJJ Perhaps. :D
– Kris
Jul 25 at 6:30
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