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    "fully decentralized" is subjective as no blockchain is objectively fully decentralized in practice
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  • Yeah, something still make me confuse like voting mechanism :)
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  • Yeah, something still make me confuse like voting mechanism :)
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    "fully decentralized" is subjective as no blockchain is objectively fully decentralized in practice
    – confused00
    Dec 10 at 10:42












  • Yeah, something still make me confuse like voting mechanism :)
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:13














  • 3




    "fully decentralized" is subjective as no blockchain is objectively fully decentralized in practice
    – confused00
    Dec 10 at 10:42












  • Yeah, something still make me confuse like voting mechanism :)
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:13








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"fully decentralized" is subjective as no blockchain is objectively fully decentralized in practice
– confused00
Dec 10 at 10:42






"fully decentralized" is subjective as no blockchain is objectively fully decentralized in practice
– confused00
Dec 10 at 10:42














Yeah, something still make me confuse like voting mechanism :)
– Oanh Nguyen
Dec 11 at 2:13




Yeah, something still make me confuse like voting mechanism :)
– Oanh Nguyen
Dec 11 at 2:13










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EOS does not have a central server or a single point of failure.



All 21 block producers can be replaced and there is a reserve pool 100 block producers waiting at any moment.



Here you get a geo map of active producers https://www.eos-radar.com/






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  • Thanks but, I do not clear how an EOS can know another EOS is active or standby?
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:12










  • The 21 active block producers are ones with most votes at any moment. eosauthority.com/voting
    – Mikko Ohtamaa
    2 days ago












  • Thank you very much!
    – Oanh Nguyen
    2 days ago


















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DPoS (the consensus Algorithm of EOS.IO) is a trade-off between full decentralization and speed.
While PoW algorithms allow almost all nodes on the network to create blocks, DPoS gives this privilege to selected Block-Producers (BPs). These are elected by the community. 21 in EOS that are active and 21 in stand by if some BP fails.



In theory BPs should be heterogeneous and geographically distributed. There are several guidelines how to select "good" BPs. Also the community profits from BPs that have their own servers. If all the Nodes are setup on the same cloud e.g. AWS there would be less decentralization.



The actual state of decentralization depends on the active BPs. You can check them e.g. here. Almost every BP has a website or information why you should vote for them. Also reddit has good information about trustful BPs and the latest activities.



However DPoS is often criticized for the whales (people/institutions that hold many tokens - voting power). They may vote multiple BPs they like or they participate with into the pool. Nevertheless the technology is able to provide a good grade of decentralization.






Edit for comment:



The ecosystem knows about your token because it is handled by a system contract. The system contracts provide the basic functionality for EOSIO based blockchains. You can interact with them via transactions. These cover transferring tokens or voting. Because the contracts state is stored in the memory of BPs (e.g. the amount of token an account holds) and all other "full nodes" and will be updated on change, everybody knows how much token an account holds.



Initially there was taken a snapshot from the ERC-20 token distribution (also check out this question), that all BPs verified and agreed on. On the running chain the distribution changed because new token are payed to BPs and others have been transferred.






Further Information about DPoS:



DPOS Consensus Algorithm - The Missing White Paper 2016



DPOS BFT— Pipelined Byzantine Fault Tolerance 2018



I would also recommend reading more of Dan Larimer's Medium/Steemit posts and further discussions from other authors.






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  • Thank you very much, I will check it carefully
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:10










  • Hi, I am concerning about tokens of EOS. When I vote, how to the EOS ecosystem know I have large of EOS tokens?
    – Oanh Nguyen
    yesterday










  • Updated the answer.
    – TeeAttack42
    yesterday










  • Thanks for your help?I understood. And I want to ask you a question: If a BPs died, it won't be voted so how the EOS system know it died? (I am thinking EOS system as a proxy)
    – Oanh Nguyen
    yesterday






  • 1




    If a BP crashes, he won't produce blocks at its turn (like it is defined per DPoS) and he will be removed from the active BPs list and may lose votes.
    – TeeAttack42
    yesterday


















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EOS and other sister chains such as TLOS, which launched this week, are DPoS based blockchains. Delegated Proof of Stake (DPoS) can be easily confused as Decentralied Proof of Stake as the acronyms are same. A DPoS consensus-based blockchain puts a lot of "trust" in the operators -- aka Blockchain Producers (BP) -- that run the actual computer server network consisting of block production nodes among other things. These BPs are voted by token holders.



In an ideal world, there won't be big token holders -- also called whales -- who can weigh heavily in the voting process. This turned out to be not the case of EOS. EOS suffers from huge whale problems, and also the voter participation is not ideal. But that has nothing to do with the EOSIO technology that it is built on. Time will tell how the voting and governance plays out on EOS. TLOS, a new chain based on EOSIO software is the "refined" version of EOS by many counts. For example, they have curved the whale problem at the genesis level by capping the max token ownership to a small number of tokens. Again, only time will tell how governance component of these chains works out!






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EOS does not have a central server or a single point of failure.



All 21 block producers can be replaced and there is a reserve pool 100 block producers waiting at any moment.



Here you get a geo map of active producers https://www.eos-radar.com/






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  • Thanks but, I do not clear how an EOS can know another EOS is active or standby?
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:12










  • The 21 active block producers are ones with most votes at any moment. eosauthority.com/voting
    – Mikko Ohtamaa
    2 days ago












  • Thank you very much!
    – Oanh Nguyen
    2 days ago















up vote
2
down vote













EOS does not have a central server or a single point of failure.



All 21 block producers can be replaced and there is a reserve pool 100 block producers waiting at any moment.



Here you get a geo map of active producers https://www.eos-radar.com/






share|improve this answer





















  • Thanks but, I do not clear how an EOS can know another EOS is active or standby?
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:12










  • The 21 active block producers are ones with most votes at any moment. eosauthority.com/voting
    – Mikko Ohtamaa
    2 days ago












  • Thank you very much!
    – Oanh Nguyen
    2 days ago













up vote
2
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up vote
2
down vote









EOS does not have a central server or a single point of failure.



All 21 block producers can be replaced and there is a reserve pool 100 block producers waiting at any moment.



Here you get a geo map of active producers https://www.eos-radar.com/






share|improve this answer












EOS does not have a central server or a single point of failure.



All 21 block producers can be replaced and there is a reserve pool 100 block producers waiting at any moment.



Here you get a geo map of active producers https://www.eos-radar.com/







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  • Thanks but, I do not clear how an EOS can know another EOS is active or standby?
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:12










  • The 21 active block producers are ones with most votes at any moment. eosauthority.com/voting
    – Mikko Ohtamaa
    2 days ago












  • Thank you very much!
    – Oanh Nguyen
    2 days ago


















  • Thanks but, I do not clear how an EOS can know another EOS is active or standby?
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:12










  • The 21 active block producers are ones with most votes at any moment. eosauthority.com/voting
    – Mikko Ohtamaa
    2 days ago












  • Thank you very much!
    – Oanh Nguyen
    2 days ago
















Thanks but, I do not clear how an EOS can know another EOS is active or standby?
– Oanh Nguyen
Dec 11 at 2:12




Thanks but, I do not clear how an EOS can know another EOS is active or standby?
– Oanh Nguyen
Dec 11 at 2:12












The 21 active block producers are ones with most votes at any moment. eosauthority.com/voting
– Mikko Ohtamaa
2 days ago






The 21 active block producers are ones with most votes at any moment. eosauthority.com/voting
– Mikko Ohtamaa
2 days ago














Thank you very much!
– Oanh Nguyen
2 days ago




Thank you very much!
– Oanh Nguyen
2 days ago










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Original answer:



DPoS (the consensus Algorithm of EOS.IO) is a trade-off between full decentralization and speed.
While PoW algorithms allow almost all nodes on the network to create blocks, DPoS gives this privilege to selected Block-Producers (BPs). These are elected by the community. 21 in EOS that are active and 21 in stand by if some BP fails.



In theory BPs should be heterogeneous and geographically distributed. There are several guidelines how to select "good" BPs. Also the community profits from BPs that have their own servers. If all the Nodes are setup on the same cloud e.g. AWS there would be less decentralization.



The actual state of decentralization depends on the active BPs. You can check them e.g. here. Almost every BP has a website or information why you should vote for them. Also reddit has good information about trustful BPs and the latest activities.



However DPoS is often criticized for the whales (people/institutions that hold many tokens - voting power). They may vote multiple BPs they like or they participate with into the pool. Nevertheless the technology is able to provide a good grade of decentralization.






Edit for comment:



The ecosystem knows about your token because it is handled by a system contract. The system contracts provide the basic functionality for EOSIO based blockchains. You can interact with them via transactions. These cover transferring tokens or voting. Because the contracts state is stored in the memory of BPs (e.g. the amount of token an account holds) and all other "full nodes" and will be updated on change, everybody knows how much token an account holds.



Initially there was taken a snapshot from the ERC-20 token distribution (also check out this question), that all BPs verified and agreed on. On the running chain the distribution changed because new token are payed to BPs and others have been transferred.






Further Information about DPoS:



DPOS Consensus Algorithm - The Missing White Paper 2016



DPOS BFT— Pipelined Byzantine Fault Tolerance 2018



I would also recommend reading more of Dan Larimer's Medium/Steemit posts and further discussions from other authors.






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  • Thank you very much, I will check it carefully
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:10










  • Hi, I am concerning about tokens of EOS. When I vote, how to the EOS ecosystem know I have large of EOS tokens?
    – Oanh Nguyen
    yesterday










  • Updated the answer.
    – TeeAttack42
    yesterday










  • Thanks for your help?I understood. And I want to ask you a question: If a BPs died, it won't be voted so how the EOS system know it died? (I am thinking EOS system as a proxy)
    – Oanh Nguyen
    yesterday






  • 1




    If a BP crashes, he won't produce blocks at its turn (like it is defined per DPoS) and he will be removed from the active BPs list and may lose votes.
    – TeeAttack42
    yesterday















up vote
2
down vote













Original answer:



DPoS (the consensus Algorithm of EOS.IO) is a trade-off between full decentralization and speed.
While PoW algorithms allow almost all nodes on the network to create blocks, DPoS gives this privilege to selected Block-Producers (BPs). These are elected by the community. 21 in EOS that are active and 21 in stand by if some BP fails.



In theory BPs should be heterogeneous and geographically distributed. There are several guidelines how to select "good" BPs. Also the community profits from BPs that have their own servers. If all the Nodes are setup on the same cloud e.g. AWS there would be less decentralization.



The actual state of decentralization depends on the active BPs. You can check them e.g. here. Almost every BP has a website or information why you should vote for them. Also reddit has good information about trustful BPs and the latest activities.



However DPoS is often criticized for the whales (people/institutions that hold many tokens - voting power). They may vote multiple BPs they like or they participate with into the pool. Nevertheless the technology is able to provide a good grade of decentralization.






Edit for comment:



The ecosystem knows about your token because it is handled by a system contract. The system contracts provide the basic functionality for EOSIO based blockchains. You can interact with them via transactions. These cover transferring tokens or voting. Because the contracts state is stored in the memory of BPs (e.g. the amount of token an account holds) and all other "full nodes" and will be updated on change, everybody knows how much token an account holds.



Initially there was taken a snapshot from the ERC-20 token distribution (also check out this question), that all BPs verified and agreed on. On the running chain the distribution changed because new token are payed to BPs and others have been transferred.






Further Information about DPoS:



DPOS Consensus Algorithm - The Missing White Paper 2016



DPOS BFT— Pipelined Byzantine Fault Tolerance 2018



I would also recommend reading more of Dan Larimer's Medium/Steemit posts and further discussions from other authors.






share|improve this answer























  • Thank you very much, I will check it carefully
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:10










  • Hi, I am concerning about tokens of EOS. When I vote, how to the EOS ecosystem know I have large of EOS tokens?
    – Oanh Nguyen
    yesterday










  • Updated the answer.
    – TeeAttack42
    yesterday










  • Thanks for your help?I understood. And I want to ask you a question: If a BPs died, it won't be voted so how the EOS system know it died? (I am thinking EOS system as a proxy)
    – Oanh Nguyen
    yesterday






  • 1




    If a BP crashes, he won't produce blocks at its turn (like it is defined per DPoS) and he will be removed from the active BPs list and may lose votes.
    – TeeAttack42
    yesterday













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up vote
2
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Original answer:



DPoS (the consensus Algorithm of EOS.IO) is a trade-off between full decentralization and speed.
While PoW algorithms allow almost all nodes on the network to create blocks, DPoS gives this privilege to selected Block-Producers (BPs). These are elected by the community. 21 in EOS that are active and 21 in stand by if some BP fails.



In theory BPs should be heterogeneous and geographically distributed. There are several guidelines how to select "good" BPs. Also the community profits from BPs that have their own servers. If all the Nodes are setup on the same cloud e.g. AWS there would be less decentralization.



The actual state of decentralization depends on the active BPs. You can check them e.g. here. Almost every BP has a website or information why you should vote for them. Also reddit has good information about trustful BPs and the latest activities.



However DPoS is often criticized for the whales (people/institutions that hold many tokens - voting power). They may vote multiple BPs they like or they participate with into the pool. Nevertheless the technology is able to provide a good grade of decentralization.






Edit for comment:



The ecosystem knows about your token because it is handled by a system contract. The system contracts provide the basic functionality for EOSIO based blockchains. You can interact with them via transactions. These cover transferring tokens or voting. Because the contracts state is stored in the memory of BPs (e.g. the amount of token an account holds) and all other "full nodes" and will be updated on change, everybody knows how much token an account holds.



Initially there was taken a snapshot from the ERC-20 token distribution (also check out this question), that all BPs verified and agreed on. On the running chain the distribution changed because new token are payed to BPs and others have been transferred.






Further Information about DPoS:



DPOS Consensus Algorithm - The Missing White Paper 2016



DPOS BFT— Pipelined Byzantine Fault Tolerance 2018



I would also recommend reading more of Dan Larimer's Medium/Steemit posts and further discussions from other authors.






share|improve this answer














Original answer:



DPoS (the consensus Algorithm of EOS.IO) is a trade-off between full decentralization and speed.
While PoW algorithms allow almost all nodes on the network to create blocks, DPoS gives this privilege to selected Block-Producers (BPs). These are elected by the community. 21 in EOS that are active and 21 in stand by if some BP fails.



In theory BPs should be heterogeneous and geographically distributed. There are several guidelines how to select "good" BPs. Also the community profits from BPs that have their own servers. If all the Nodes are setup on the same cloud e.g. AWS there would be less decentralization.



The actual state of decentralization depends on the active BPs. You can check them e.g. here. Almost every BP has a website or information why you should vote for them. Also reddit has good information about trustful BPs and the latest activities.



However DPoS is often criticized for the whales (people/institutions that hold many tokens - voting power). They may vote multiple BPs they like or they participate with into the pool. Nevertheless the technology is able to provide a good grade of decentralization.






Edit for comment:



The ecosystem knows about your token because it is handled by a system contract. The system contracts provide the basic functionality for EOSIO based blockchains. You can interact with them via transactions. These cover transferring tokens or voting. Because the contracts state is stored in the memory of BPs (e.g. the amount of token an account holds) and all other "full nodes" and will be updated on change, everybody knows how much token an account holds.



Initially there was taken a snapshot from the ERC-20 token distribution (also check out this question), that all BPs verified and agreed on. On the running chain the distribution changed because new token are payed to BPs and others have been transferred.






Further Information about DPoS:



DPOS Consensus Algorithm - The Missing White Paper 2016



DPOS BFT— Pipelined Byzantine Fault Tolerance 2018



I would also recommend reading more of Dan Larimer's Medium/Steemit posts and further discussions from other authors.







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  • Thank you very much, I will check it carefully
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:10










  • Hi, I am concerning about tokens of EOS. When I vote, how to the EOS ecosystem know I have large of EOS tokens?
    – Oanh Nguyen
    yesterday










  • Updated the answer.
    – TeeAttack42
    yesterday










  • Thanks for your help?I understood. And I want to ask you a question: If a BPs died, it won't be voted so how the EOS system know it died? (I am thinking EOS system as a proxy)
    – Oanh Nguyen
    yesterday






  • 1




    If a BP crashes, he won't produce blocks at its turn (like it is defined per DPoS) and he will be removed from the active BPs list and may lose votes.
    – TeeAttack42
    yesterday


















  • Thank you very much, I will check it carefully
    – Oanh Nguyen
    Dec 11 at 2:10










  • Hi, I am concerning about tokens of EOS. When I vote, how to the EOS ecosystem know I have large of EOS tokens?
    – Oanh Nguyen
    yesterday










  • Updated the answer.
    – TeeAttack42
    yesterday










  • Thanks for your help?I understood. And I want to ask you a question: If a BPs died, it won't be voted so how the EOS system know it died? (I am thinking EOS system as a proxy)
    – Oanh Nguyen
    yesterday






  • 1




    If a BP crashes, he won't produce blocks at its turn (like it is defined per DPoS) and he will be removed from the active BPs list and may lose votes.
    – TeeAttack42
    yesterday
















Thank you very much, I will check it carefully
– Oanh Nguyen
Dec 11 at 2:10




Thank you very much, I will check it carefully
– Oanh Nguyen
Dec 11 at 2:10












Hi, I am concerning about tokens of EOS. When I vote, how to the EOS ecosystem know I have large of EOS tokens?
– Oanh Nguyen
yesterday




Hi, I am concerning about tokens of EOS. When I vote, how to the EOS ecosystem know I have large of EOS tokens?
– Oanh Nguyen
yesterday












Updated the answer.
– TeeAttack42
yesterday




Updated the answer.
– TeeAttack42
yesterday












Thanks for your help?I understood. And I want to ask you a question: If a BPs died, it won't be voted so how the EOS system know it died? (I am thinking EOS system as a proxy)
– Oanh Nguyen
yesterday




Thanks for your help?I understood. And I want to ask you a question: If a BPs died, it won't be voted so how the EOS system know it died? (I am thinking EOS system as a proxy)
– Oanh Nguyen
yesterday




1




1




If a BP crashes, he won't produce blocks at its turn (like it is defined per DPoS) and he will be removed from the active BPs list and may lose votes.
– TeeAttack42
yesterday




If a BP crashes, he won't produce blocks at its turn (like it is defined per DPoS) and he will be removed from the active BPs list and may lose votes.
– TeeAttack42
yesterday










up vote
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down vote













EOS and other sister chains such as TLOS, which launched this week, are DPoS based blockchains. Delegated Proof of Stake (DPoS) can be easily confused as Decentralied Proof of Stake as the acronyms are same. A DPoS consensus-based blockchain puts a lot of "trust" in the operators -- aka Blockchain Producers (BP) -- that run the actual computer server network consisting of block production nodes among other things. These BPs are voted by token holders.



In an ideal world, there won't be big token holders -- also called whales -- who can weigh heavily in the voting process. This turned out to be not the case of EOS. EOS suffers from huge whale problems, and also the voter participation is not ideal. But that has nothing to do with the EOSIO technology that it is built on. Time will tell how the voting and governance plays out on EOS. TLOS, a new chain based on EOSIO software is the "refined" version of EOS by many counts. For example, they have curved the whale problem at the genesis level by capping the max token ownership to a small number of tokens. Again, only time will tell how governance component of these chains works out!






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  • 1




    Thanks for your answer
    – Oanh Nguyen
    2 days ago















up vote
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down vote













EOS and other sister chains such as TLOS, which launched this week, are DPoS based blockchains. Delegated Proof of Stake (DPoS) can be easily confused as Decentralied Proof of Stake as the acronyms are same. A DPoS consensus-based blockchain puts a lot of "trust" in the operators -- aka Blockchain Producers (BP) -- that run the actual computer server network consisting of block production nodes among other things. These BPs are voted by token holders.



In an ideal world, there won't be big token holders -- also called whales -- who can weigh heavily in the voting process. This turned out to be not the case of EOS. EOS suffers from huge whale problems, and also the voter participation is not ideal. But that has nothing to do with the EOSIO technology that it is built on. Time will tell how the voting and governance plays out on EOS. TLOS, a new chain based on EOSIO software is the "refined" version of EOS by many counts. For example, they have curved the whale problem at the genesis level by capping the max token ownership to a small number of tokens. Again, only time will tell how governance component of these chains works out!






share|improve this answer

















  • 1




    Thanks for your answer
    – Oanh Nguyen
    2 days ago













up vote
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down vote










up vote
0
down vote









EOS and other sister chains such as TLOS, which launched this week, are DPoS based blockchains. Delegated Proof of Stake (DPoS) can be easily confused as Decentralied Proof of Stake as the acronyms are same. A DPoS consensus-based blockchain puts a lot of "trust" in the operators -- aka Blockchain Producers (BP) -- that run the actual computer server network consisting of block production nodes among other things. These BPs are voted by token holders.



In an ideal world, there won't be big token holders -- also called whales -- who can weigh heavily in the voting process. This turned out to be not the case of EOS. EOS suffers from huge whale problems, and also the voter participation is not ideal. But that has nothing to do with the EOSIO technology that it is built on. Time will tell how the voting and governance plays out on EOS. TLOS, a new chain based on EOSIO software is the "refined" version of EOS by many counts. For example, they have curved the whale problem at the genesis level by capping the max token ownership to a small number of tokens. Again, only time will tell how governance component of these chains works out!






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EOS and other sister chains such as TLOS, which launched this week, are DPoS based blockchains. Delegated Proof of Stake (DPoS) can be easily confused as Decentralied Proof of Stake as the acronyms are same. A DPoS consensus-based blockchain puts a lot of "trust" in the operators -- aka Blockchain Producers (BP) -- that run the actual computer server network consisting of block production nodes among other things. These BPs are voted by token holders.



In an ideal world, there won't be big token holders -- also called whales -- who can weigh heavily in the voting process. This turned out to be not the case of EOS. EOS suffers from huge whale problems, and also the voter participation is not ideal. But that has nothing to do with the EOSIO technology that it is built on. Time will tell how the voting and governance plays out on EOS. TLOS, a new chain based on EOSIO software is the "refined" version of EOS by many counts. For example, they have curved the whale problem at the genesis level by capping the max token ownership to a small number of tokens. Again, only time will tell how governance component of these chains works out!







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