Does a continuous verb form avoids a comma splice?
I realize this question has been done to death but I'm still questioning it.
The following sentence I feel does not contain a comma splice as the clause doesn't seem to hold up on its own:
Most European countries have proceeded with significant liberalization of financial law since the 1980s, Ireland being the latest example.
However, when I write it slightly differently, I'm pretty positive it is a comma splice.
Most European countries have proceeded with significant liberalization of financial law since the 1980s, Ireland is no exception.
Is this correct? And if so, why? Why does the continuous form make it not a comma splice. If it is indeed a comma splice, how would you punctuate it to capture the informal style of the author. An em dash, a semi-colon, a full-stop or and?
Thanks for the help.
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I realize this question has been done to death but I'm still questioning it.
The following sentence I feel does not contain a comma splice as the clause doesn't seem to hold up on its own:
Most European countries have proceeded with significant liberalization of financial law since the 1980s, Ireland being the latest example.
However, when I write it slightly differently, I'm pretty positive it is a comma splice.
Most European countries have proceeded with significant liberalization of financial law since the 1980s, Ireland is no exception.
Is this correct? And if so, why? Why does the continuous form make it not a comma splice. If it is indeed a comma splice, how would you punctuate it to capture the informal style of the author. An em dash, a semi-colon, a full-stop or and?
Thanks for the help.
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Please define "comma splice" as you understand it.
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
The normal definition of a comma splice is a comma that separates two independent clauses. In your case, what comes after the comma could stand on its own as an independent clause. So, yes. The second example would normally be considered a comma splice. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong to use it. however. Some instances of comma splices are acceptable. (Although in this case, my personal preference would be to add an and after it.)
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@JasonBassford "I came, I saw, and I conquered."
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist That's not a comma splice because of the final conjunctive and. Without the and it would be.
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@JasonBassford Are you claiming that omitting the and would somehow be an error??
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
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I realize this question has been done to death but I'm still questioning it.
The following sentence I feel does not contain a comma splice as the clause doesn't seem to hold up on its own:
Most European countries have proceeded with significant liberalization of financial law since the 1980s, Ireland being the latest example.
However, when I write it slightly differently, I'm pretty positive it is a comma splice.
Most European countries have proceeded with significant liberalization of financial law since the 1980s, Ireland is no exception.
Is this correct? And if so, why? Why does the continuous form make it not a comma splice. If it is indeed a comma splice, how would you punctuate it to capture the informal style of the author. An em dash, a semi-colon, a full-stop or and?
Thanks for the help.
punctuation
asked 2 days ago
freeform23freeform23
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I realize this question has been done to death but I'm still questioning it.
The following sentence I feel does not contain a comma splice as the clause doesn't seem to hold up on its own:
Most European countries have proceeded with significant liberalization of financial law since the 1980s, Ireland being the latest example.
However, when I write it slightly differently, I'm pretty positive it is a comma splice.
Most European countries have proceeded with significant liberalization of financial law since the 1980s, Ireland is no exception.
Is this correct? And if so, why? Why does the continuous form make it not a comma splice. If it is indeed a comma splice, how would you punctuate it to capture the informal style of the author. An em dash, a semi-colon, a full-stop or and?
Thanks for the help.
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Please define "comma splice" as you understand it.
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
The normal definition of a comma splice is a comma that separates two independent clauses. In your case, what comes after the comma could stand on its own as an independent clause. So, yes. The second example would normally be considered a comma splice. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong to use it. however. Some instances of comma splices are acceptable. (Although in this case, my personal preference would be to add an and after it.)
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@JasonBassford "I came, I saw, and I conquered."
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist That's not a comma splice because of the final conjunctive and. Without the and it would be.
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@JasonBassford Are you claiming that omitting the and would somehow be an error??
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
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Please define "comma splice" as you understand it.
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
The normal definition of a comma splice is a comma that separates two independent clauses. In your case, what comes after the comma could stand on its own as an independent clause. So, yes. The second example would normally be considered a comma splice. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong to use it. however. Some instances of comma splices are acceptable. (Although in this case, my personal preference would be to add an and after it.)
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@JasonBassford "I came, I saw, and I conquered."
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist That's not a comma splice because of the final conjunctive and. Without the and it would be.
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@JasonBassford Are you claiming that omitting the and would somehow be an error??
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
Please define "comma splice" as you understand it.
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
Please define "comma splice" as you understand it.
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
The normal definition of a comma splice is a comma that separates two independent clauses. In your case, what comes after the comma could stand on its own as an independent clause. So, yes. The second example would normally be considered a comma splice. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong to use it. however. Some instances of comma splices are acceptable. (Although in this case, my personal preference would be to add an and after it.)
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
The normal definition of a comma splice is a comma that separates two independent clauses. In your case, what comes after the comma could stand on its own as an independent clause. So, yes. The second example would normally be considered a comma splice. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong to use it. however. Some instances of comma splices are acceptable. (Although in this case, my personal preference would be to add an and after it.)
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@JasonBassford "I came, I saw, and I conquered."
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@JasonBassford "I came, I saw, and I conquered."
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist That's not a comma splice because of the final conjunctive and. Without the and it would be.
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@tchrist That's not a comma splice because of the final conjunctive and. Without the and it would be.
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@JasonBassford Are you claiming that omitting the and would somehow be an error??
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@JasonBassford Are you claiming that omitting the and would somehow be an error??
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
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Ireland being the latest example is not in "the continuous form", which is constructed with a form of BE followed by the present participle. For that clause to "hold up on its own"—that is, constitute an independent clause—it would have to have that BE in a finite (tensed) form: in this case, the 3d person singular form is.
The clause is thus a subordinate clause, headed by a non-finite verbform, and the "comma splice rule" does not apply.
answered 2 days ago
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Feels a bit like a gerund clause appositive to the sentence's subject,
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist Mmm ... I'd see it as a supplemental clause which in effect "modifies" the entire matrix clause. Ireland isn't an example of many European countries but of many European countries which have proceeded &c.
– StoneyB
2 days ago
Sure, I didn't say it was one, just that it had some of that feel. Certainly it applies to the entire independent clause not just the subject alone..
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
Thanks. This answers the question nicely.
– freeform23
yesterday
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Ireland being the latest example is not in "the continuous form", which is constructed with a form of BE followed by the present participle. For that clause to "hold up on its own"—that is, constitute an independent clause—it would have to have that BE in a finite (tensed) form: in this case, the 3d person singular form is.
The clause is thus a subordinate clause, headed by a non-finite verbform, and the "comma splice rule" does not apply.
answered 2 days ago
StoneyBStoneyB
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Feels a bit like a gerund clause appositive to the sentence's subject,
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist Mmm ... I'd see it as a supplemental clause which in effect "modifies" the entire matrix clause. Ireland isn't an example of many European countries but of many European countries which have proceeded &c.
– StoneyB
2 days ago
Sure, I didn't say it was one, just that it had some of that feel. Certainly it applies to the entire independent clause not just the subject alone..
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
Thanks. This answers the question nicely.
– freeform23
yesterday
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Ireland being the latest example is not in "the continuous form", which is constructed with a form of BE followed by the present participle. For that clause to "hold up on its own"—that is, constitute an independent clause—it would have to have that BE in a finite (tensed) form: in this case, the 3d person singular form is.
The clause is thus a subordinate clause, headed by a non-finite verbform, and the "comma splice rule" does not apply.
answered 2 days ago
StoneyBStoneyB
64.3k3110211
Feels a bit like a gerund clause appositive to the sentence's subject,
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist Mmm ... I'd see it as a supplemental clause which in effect "modifies" the entire matrix clause. Ireland isn't an example of many European countries but of many European countries which have proceeded &c.
– StoneyB
2 days ago
Sure, I didn't say it was one, just that it had some of that feel. Certainly it applies to the entire independent clause not just the subject alone..
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
Thanks. This answers the question nicely.
– freeform23
yesterday
add a comment |
Ireland being the latest example is not in "the continuous form", which is constructed with a form of BE followed by the present participle. For that clause to "hold up on its own"—that is, constitute an independent clause—it would have to have that BE in a finite (tensed) form: in this case, the 3d person singular form is.
The clause is thus a subordinate clause, headed by a non-finite verbform, and the "comma splice rule" does not apply.
answered 2 days ago
StoneyBStoneyB
64.3k3110211
Ireland being the latest example is not in "the continuous form", which is constructed with a form of BE followed by the present participle. For that clause to "hold up on its own"—that is, constitute an independent clause—it would have to have that BE in a finite (tensed) form: in this case, the 3d person singular form is.
The clause is thus a subordinate clause, headed by a non-finite verbform, and the "comma splice rule" does not apply.
answered 2 days ago
StoneyBStoneyB
64.3k3110211
answered 2 days ago
StoneyBStoneyB
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answered 2 days ago
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Feels a bit like a gerund clause appositive to the sentence's subject,
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist Mmm ... I'd see it as a supplemental clause which in effect "modifies" the entire matrix clause. Ireland isn't an example of many European countries but of many European countries which have proceeded &c.
– StoneyB
2 days ago
Sure, I didn't say it was one, just that it had some of that feel. Certainly it applies to the entire independent clause not just the subject alone..
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
Thanks. This answers the question nicely.
– freeform23
yesterday
add a comment |
Feels a bit like a gerund clause appositive to the sentence's subject,
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist Mmm ... I'd see it as a supplemental clause which in effect "modifies" the entire matrix clause. Ireland isn't an example of many European countries but of many European countries which have proceeded &c.
– StoneyB
2 days ago
Sure, I didn't say it was one, just that it had some of that feel. Certainly it applies to the entire independent clause not just the subject alone..
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
Thanks. This answers the question nicely.
– freeform23
yesterday
Feels a bit like a gerund clause appositive to the sentence's subject,
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
Feels a bit like a gerund clause appositive to the sentence's subject,
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist Mmm ... I'd see it as a supplemental clause which in effect "modifies" the entire matrix clause. Ireland isn't an example of many European countries but of many European countries which have proceeded &c.
– StoneyB
2 days ago
@tchrist Mmm ... I'd see it as a supplemental clause which in effect "modifies" the entire matrix clause. Ireland isn't an example of many European countries but of many European countries which have proceeded &c.
– StoneyB
2 days ago
Sure, I didn't say it was one, just that it had some of that feel. Certainly it applies to the entire independent clause not just the subject alone..
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
Sure, I didn't say it was one, just that it had some of that feel. Certainly it applies to the entire independent clause not just the subject alone..
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
Thanks. This answers the question nicely.
– freeform23
yesterday
Thanks. This answers the question nicely.
– freeform23
yesterday
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Please define "comma splice" as you understand it.
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
The normal definition of a comma splice is a comma that separates two independent clauses. In your case, what comes after the comma could stand on its own as an independent clause. So, yes. The second example would normally be considered a comma splice. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong to use it. however. Some instances of comma splices are acceptable. (Although in this case, my personal preference would be to add an and after it.)
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@JasonBassford "I came, I saw, and I conquered."
– tchrist♦
2 days ago
@tchrist That's not a comma splice because of the final conjunctive and. Without the and it would be.
– Jason Bassford
2 days ago
@JasonBassford Are you claiming that omitting the and would somehow be an error??
– tchrist♦
2 days ago