Length of varchar column - is there an advantage to using 255? [duplicate]
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MySQL - varchar length and performance
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I often come across columns that are varchar(255)
, so presumably this is a convention of sorts. 255 is 2^8 - 1. So is there something 'magical' about lengths that are 2^n - 1? Or just specifically 255? Is there a performance or storage optimisation advantage to certain specific varchar
lengths? Or is this just old wisdom which is no longer applicable to current versions of MariaDB and MySQL?
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MySQL - varchar length and performance
1 answer
I often come across columns that are varchar(255)
, so presumably this is a convention of sorts. 255 is 2^8 - 1. So is there something 'magical' about lengths that are 2^n - 1? Or just specifically 255? Is there a performance or storage optimisation advantage to certain specific varchar
lengths? Or is this just old wisdom which is no longer applicable to current versions of MariaDB and MySQL?
mysql mariadb
marked as duplicate by Evan Carroll, Colin 't Hart, Michael Green, mustaccio, Vérace yesterday
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Do you need 255 characters?
– McNets
2 days ago
Historical reasons, at least according to stackoverflow.com/questions/1217466/…
– Jonathan Fite
2 days ago
@McNets I actually need more than 255, but since that number is used so often, I thought I should use that as an example.
– dbdemon
2 days ago
Simply use the length you need.
– McNets
2 days ago
@EvanCarroll thanks for pointing out this question. It's useful and similar, though not exactly the same because I'm asking about 'magical' lengths (2^n -1).
– dbdemon
2 days ago
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This question already has an answer here:
MySQL - varchar length and performance
1 answer
I often come across columns that are varchar(255)
, so presumably this is a convention of sorts. 255 is 2^8 - 1. So is there something 'magical' about lengths that are 2^n - 1? Or just specifically 255? Is there a performance or storage optimisation advantage to certain specific varchar
lengths? Or is this just old wisdom which is no longer applicable to current versions of MariaDB and MySQL?
mysql mariadb
This question already has an answer here:
MySQL - varchar length and performance
1 answer
I often come across columns that are varchar(255)
, so presumably this is a convention of sorts. 255 is 2^8 - 1. So is there something 'magical' about lengths that are 2^n - 1? Or just specifically 255? Is there a performance or storage optimisation advantage to certain specific varchar
lengths? Or is this just old wisdom which is no longer applicable to current versions of MariaDB and MySQL?
This question already has an answer here:
MySQL - varchar length and performance
1 answer
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1
Do you need 255 characters?
– McNets
2 days ago
Historical reasons, at least according to stackoverflow.com/questions/1217466/…
– Jonathan Fite
2 days ago
@McNets I actually need more than 255, but since that number is used so often, I thought I should use that as an example.
– dbdemon
2 days ago
Simply use the length you need.
– McNets
2 days ago
@EvanCarroll thanks for pointing out this question. It's useful and similar, though not exactly the same because I'm asking about 'magical' lengths (2^n -1).
– dbdemon
2 days ago
add a comment |
1
Do you need 255 characters?
– McNets
2 days ago
Historical reasons, at least according to stackoverflow.com/questions/1217466/…
– Jonathan Fite
2 days ago
@McNets I actually need more than 255, but since that number is used so often, I thought I should use that as an example.
– dbdemon
2 days ago
Simply use the length you need.
– McNets
2 days ago
@EvanCarroll thanks for pointing out this question. It's useful and similar, though not exactly the same because I'm asking about 'magical' lengths (2^n -1).
– dbdemon
2 days ago
1
1
Do you need 255 characters?
– McNets
2 days ago
Do you need 255 characters?
– McNets
2 days ago
Historical reasons, at least according to stackoverflow.com/questions/1217466/…
– Jonathan Fite
2 days ago
Historical reasons, at least according to stackoverflow.com/questions/1217466/…
– Jonathan Fite
2 days ago
@McNets I actually need more than 255, but since that number is used so often, I thought I should use that as an example.
– dbdemon
2 days ago
@McNets I actually need more than 255, but since that number is used so often, I thought I should use that as an example.
– dbdemon
2 days ago
Simply use the length you need.
– McNets
2 days ago
Simply use the length you need.
– McNets
2 days ago
@EvanCarroll thanks for pointing out this question. It's useful and similar, though not exactly the same because I'm asking about 'magical' lengths (2^n -1).
– dbdemon
2 days ago
@EvanCarroll thanks for pointing out this question. It's useful and similar, though not exactly the same because I'm asking about 'magical' lengths (2^n -1).
– dbdemon
2 days ago
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I rant against 255 occasionally. Sure, there used to be some reasons for '255', but many are no longer valid, and even counter-productive.
In MySQL, there are reasons to stop at 191, 255, 767, 64K, and probably other values. Some depend on Engine, some on CHARACTER SET
, etc.
A VARCHAR
is stored as a 1- or 2-byte length plus enough bytes for the current text in whatever charset you have specified. However, the choice of 1 or 2 is not driven only by the individual column; it is driven by the total row size. That is, this is not a valid excuse for using 255.
Use a length that is
- Big enough to conservatively never be exceeded, yet
- As small as seems reasonable.
While I am ranting... CHAR
(fixed length) is rarely advised. And almost always it should be CHARACTER SET ascii
-- country_code, postal_code, Y/N, M/F, MD5, UUID, base64, etc. (MD5 and UUID should be taken a step further, but that is another rant.)
Potential negative impacts of blindly using '255':
- If you have a lot of columns, you could hit a max row size limit and
CREATE TABLE
will fail. - You could overflow a limit on index size.
- Complex
SELECTs
may need a temp table, and may useMEMORY
for it. In this case,VARCHAR(255)
becomesCHAR(255)
for the temp table. And, if using utf8, that is 755 bytes for every row! (8.0 fixes this design flaw?)
Related: Don't blindly use BIGINT
for all numbers. It takes 8 bytes. Even INT
is overkill, at 4 bytes. See MEDIUMINT
, SMALLINT
, and TINYINT
. Be aware that the (2)
on INT(2)
means nothing; it still takes 4 bytes.
MySQL-8.0.13+ uses TempTable by default for temp tables which has efficient storage for varchars.
– danblack
2 days ago
add a comment |
"Standard" column lengths are used all over the place, and invariably indicate there was no effort performed to understand the actual required length of the column.
If you have a column where there will never be more than 24 characters used, why specify the length of the column as 255?
Analyzing and using the correct length for variable-length columns takes a small amount of effort, and ensures side effects of using too large a column length never become a problem. I know your question is about MySQL, however this answer shows how SQL Server uses column lengths in various ways that may not be apparent at first.
add a comment |
At one point in time, that was the max length of a column in Sybase, and the derived SQL Server. I'm sure others copied it to maintain compatibility so that migrating applications / SQL to a new platform wasn't difficult, as everyone was fighting for market share back in the day.
There's no real good reason to perpetuate it, other than compatibility. I've noticed that it seems to have been replaced by varchar(max) these days.
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This in interesting precise historical example, which could add some value to this Q&A. Some cited source would make it stronger, though.
– Pac0
2 days ago
(Oh, and welcome to Database Administrators !)
– Pac0
2 days ago
@Pac0 Ha, unfortunately much of the reference is found in paper manuals from back then ;)
– Mike
yesterday
add a comment |
We've taken a completely different rule now. We use one of two things:
`NVARCHAR(max)`
if it won't be indexed.
`NVARCHAR(400)`
if it will be indexed.
Generally speaking we believe that limits are obsolete and we really shouldn't care anymore. Disk space is cheap. The 400 ensures the index can always be created on the most restrictive target platform. It is my understanding that the 255 index limit on MySQL is gone else I would have written 255. The thing about VARCHAR
is you will not be penalized for allowing it to be bigger than it needs to be so there isn't much downside to being too big, so we just set it big and don't think about it anymore.
add a comment |
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4 Answers
4
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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I rant against 255 occasionally. Sure, there used to be some reasons for '255', but many are no longer valid, and even counter-productive.
In MySQL, there are reasons to stop at 191, 255, 767, 64K, and probably other values. Some depend on Engine, some on CHARACTER SET
, etc.
A VARCHAR
is stored as a 1- or 2-byte length plus enough bytes for the current text in whatever charset you have specified. However, the choice of 1 or 2 is not driven only by the individual column; it is driven by the total row size. That is, this is not a valid excuse for using 255.
Use a length that is
- Big enough to conservatively never be exceeded, yet
- As small as seems reasonable.
While I am ranting... CHAR
(fixed length) is rarely advised. And almost always it should be CHARACTER SET ascii
-- country_code, postal_code, Y/N, M/F, MD5, UUID, base64, etc. (MD5 and UUID should be taken a step further, but that is another rant.)
Potential negative impacts of blindly using '255':
- If you have a lot of columns, you could hit a max row size limit and
CREATE TABLE
will fail. - You could overflow a limit on index size.
- Complex
SELECTs
may need a temp table, and may useMEMORY
for it. In this case,VARCHAR(255)
becomesCHAR(255)
for the temp table. And, if using utf8, that is 755 bytes for every row! (8.0 fixes this design flaw?)
Related: Don't blindly use BIGINT
for all numbers. It takes 8 bytes. Even INT
is overkill, at 4 bytes. See MEDIUMINT
, SMALLINT
, and TINYINT
. Be aware that the (2)
on INT(2)
means nothing; it still takes 4 bytes.
MySQL-8.0.13+ uses TempTable by default for temp tables which has efficient storage for varchars.
– danblack
2 days ago
add a comment |
I rant against 255 occasionally. Sure, there used to be some reasons for '255', but many are no longer valid, and even counter-productive.
In MySQL, there are reasons to stop at 191, 255, 767, 64K, and probably other values. Some depend on Engine, some on CHARACTER SET
, etc.
A VARCHAR
is stored as a 1- or 2-byte length plus enough bytes for the current text in whatever charset you have specified. However, the choice of 1 or 2 is not driven only by the individual column; it is driven by the total row size. That is, this is not a valid excuse for using 255.
Use a length that is
- Big enough to conservatively never be exceeded, yet
- As small as seems reasonable.
While I am ranting... CHAR
(fixed length) is rarely advised. And almost always it should be CHARACTER SET ascii
-- country_code, postal_code, Y/N, M/F, MD5, UUID, base64, etc. (MD5 and UUID should be taken a step further, but that is another rant.)
Potential negative impacts of blindly using '255':
- If you have a lot of columns, you could hit a max row size limit and
CREATE TABLE
will fail. - You could overflow a limit on index size.
- Complex
SELECTs
may need a temp table, and may useMEMORY
for it. In this case,VARCHAR(255)
becomesCHAR(255)
for the temp table. And, if using utf8, that is 755 bytes for every row! (8.0 fixes this design flaw?)
Related: Don't blindly use BIGINT
for all numbers. It takes 8 bytes. Even INT
is overkill, at 4 bytes. See MEDIUMINT
, SMALLINT
, and TINYINT
. Be aware that the (2)
on INT(2)
means nothing; it still takes 4 bytes.
MySQL-8.0.13+ uses TempTable by default for temp tables which has efficient storage for varchars.
– danblack
2 days ago
add a comment |
I rant against 255 occasionally. Sure, there used to be some reasons for '255', but many are no longer valid, and even counter-productive.
In MySQL, there are reasons to stop at 191, 255, 767, 64K, and probably other values. Some depend on Engine, some on CHARACTER SET
, etc.
A VARCHAR
is stored as a 1- or 2-byte length plus enough bytes for the current text in whatever charset you have specified. However, the choice of 1 or 2 is not driven only by the individual column; it is driven by the total row size. That is, this is not a valid excuse for using 255.
Use a length that is
- Big enough to conservatively never be exceeded, yet
- As small as seems reasonable.
While I am ranting... CHAR
(fixed length) is rarely advised. And almost always it should be CHARACTER SET ascii
-- country_code, postal_code, Y/N, M/F, MD5, UUID, base64, etc. (MD5 and UUID should be taken a step further, but that is another rant.)
Potential negative impacts of blindly using '255':
- If you have a lot of columns, you could hit a max row size limit and
CREATE TABLE
will fail. - You could overflow a limit on index size.
- Complex
SELECTs
may need a temp table, and may useMEMORY
for it. In this case,VARCHAR(255)
becomesCHAR(255)
for the temp table. And, if using utf8, that is 755 bytes for every row! (8.0 fixes this design flaw?)
Related: Don't blindly use BIGINT
for all numbers. It takes 8 bytes. Even INT
is overkill, at 4 bytes. See MEDIUMINT
, SMALLINT
, and TINYINT
. Be aware that the (2)
on INT(2)
means nothing; it still takes 4 bytes.
I rant against 255 occasionally. Sure, there used to be some reasons for '255', but many are no longer valid, and even counter-productive.
In MySQL, there are reasons to stop at 191, 255, 767, 64K, and probably other values. Some depend on Engine, some on CHARACTER SET
, etc.
A VARCHAR
is stored as a 1- or 2-byte length plus enough bytes for the current text in whatever charset you have specified. However, the choice of 1 or 2 is not driven only by the individual column; it is driven by the total row size. That is, this is not a valid excuse for using 255.
Use a length that is
- Big enough to conservatively never be exceeded, yet
- As small as seems reasonable.
While I am ranting... CHAR
(fixed length) is rarely advised. And almost always it should be CHARACTER SET ascii
-- country_code, postal_code, Y/N, M/F, MD5, UUID, base64, etc. (MD5 and UUID should be taken a step further, but that is another rant.)
Potential negative impacts of blindly using '255':
- If you have a lot of columns, you could hit a max row size limit and
CREATE TABLE
will fail. - You could overflow a limit on index size.
- Complex
SELECTs
may need a temp table, and may useMEMORY
for it. In this case,VARCHAR(255)
becomesCHAR(255)
for the temp table. And, if using utf8, that is 755 bytes for every row! (8.0 fixes this design flaw?)
Related: Don't blindly use BIGINT
for all numbers. It takes 8 bytes. Even INT
is overkill, at 4 bytes. See MEDIUMINT
, SMALLINT
, and TINYINT
. Be aware that the (2)
on INT(2)
means nothing; it still takes 4 bytes.
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MySQL-8.0.13+ uses TempTable by default for temp tables which has efficient storage for varchars.
– danblack
2 days ago
add a comment |
MySQL-8.0.13+ uses TempTable by default for temp tables which has efficient storage for varchars.
– danblack
2 days ago
MySQL-8.0.13+ uses TempTable by default for temp tables which has efficient storage for varchars.
– danblack
2 days ago
MySQL-8.0.13+ uses TempTable by default for temp tables which has efficient storage for varchars.
– danblack
2 days ago
add a comment |
"Standard" column lengths are used all over the place, and invariably indicate there was no effort performed to understand the actual required length of the column.
If you have a column where there will never be more than 24 characters used, why specify the length of the column as 255?
Analyzing and using the correct length for variable-length columns takes a small amount of effort, and ensures side effects of using too large a column length never become a problem. I know your question is about MySQL, however this answer shows how SQL Server uses column lengths in various ways that may not be apparent at first.
add a comment |
"Standard" column lengths are used all over the place, and invariably indicate there was no effort performed to understand the actual required length of the column.
If you have a column where there will never be more than 24 characters used, why specify the length of the column as 255?
Analyzing and using the correct length for variable-length columns takes a small amount of effort, and ensures side effects of using too large a column length never become a problem. I know your question is about MySQL, however this answer shows how SQL Server uses column lengths in various ways that may not be apparent at first.
add a comment |
"Standard" column lengths are used all over the place, and invariably indicate there was no effort performed to understand the actual required length of the column.
If you have a column where there will never be more than 24 characters used, why specify the length of the column as 255?
Analyzing and using the correct length for variable-length columns takes a small amount of effort, and ensures side effects of using too large a column length never become a problem. I know your question is about MySQL, however this answer shows how SQL Server uses column lengths in various ways that may not be apparent at first.
"Standard" column lengths are used all over the place, and invariably indicate there was no effort performed to understand the actual required length of the column.
If you have a column where there will never be more than 24 characters used, why specify the length of the column as 255?
Analyzing and using the correct length for variable-length columns takes a small amount of effort, and ensures side effects of using too large a column length never become a problem. I know your question is about MySQL, however this answer shows how SQL Server uses column lengths in various ways that may not be apparent at first.
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At one point in time, that was the max length of a column in Sybase, and the derived SQL Server. I'm sure others copied it to maintain compatibility so that migrating applications / SQL to a new platform wasn't difficult, as everyone was fighting for market share back in the day.
There's no real good reason to perpetuate it, other than compatibility. I've noticed that it seems to have been replaced by varchar(max) these days.
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This in interesting precise historical example, which could add some value to this Q&A. Some cited source would make it stronger, though.
– Pac0
2 days ago
(Oh, and welcome to Database Administrators !)
– Pac0
2 days ago
@Pac0 Ha, unfortunately much of the reference is found in paper manuals from back then ;)
– Mike
yesterday
add a comment |
At one point in time, that was the max length of a column in Sybase, and the derived SQL Server. I'm sure others copied it to maintain compatibility so that migrating applications / SQL to a new platform wasn't difficult, as everyone was fighting for market share back in the day.
There's no real good reason to perpetuate it, other than compatibility. I've noticed that it seems to have been replaced by varchar(max) these days.
New contributor
1
This in interesting precise historical example, which could add some value to this Q&A. Some cited source would make it stronger, though.
– Pac0
2 days ago
(Oh, and welcome to Database Administrators !)
– Pac0
2 days ago
@Pac0 Ha, unfortunately much of the reference is found in paper manuals from back then ;)
– Mike
yesterday
add a comment |
At one point in time, that was the max length of a column in Sybase, and the derived SQL Server. I'm sure others copied it to maintain compatibility so that migrating applications / SQL to a new platform wasn't difficult, as everyone was fighting for market share back in the day.
There's no real good reason to perpetuate it, other than compatibility. I've noticed that it seems to have been replaced by varchar(max) these days.
New contributor
At one point in time, that was the max length of a column in Sybase, and the derived SQL Server. I'm sure others copied it to maintain compatibility so that migrating applications / SQL to a new platform wasn't difficult, as everyone was fighting for market share back in the day.
There's no real good reason to perpetuate it, other than compatibility. I've noticed that it seems to have been replaced by varchar(max) these days.
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New contributor
answered 2 days ago
MikeMike
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New contributor
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This in interesting precise historical example, which could add some value to this Q&A. Some cited source would make it stronger, though.
– Pac0
2 days ago
(Oh, and welcome to Database Administrators !)
– Pac0
2 days ago
@Pac0 Ha, unfortunately much of the reference is found in paper manuals from back then ;)
– Mike
yesterday
add a comment |
1
This in interesting precise historical example, which could add some value to this Q&A. Some cited source would make it stronger, though.
– Pac0
2 days ago
(Oh, and welcome to Database Administrators !)
– Pac0
2 days ago
@Pac0 Ha, unfortunately much of the reference is found in paper manuals from back then ;)
– Mike
yesterday
1
1
This in interesting precise historical example, which could add some value to this Q&A. Some cited source would make it stronger, though.
– Pac0
2 days ago
This in interesting precise historical example, which could add some value to this Q&A. Some cited source would make it stronger, though.
– Pac0
2 days ago
(Oh, and welcome to Database Administrators !)
– Pac0
2 days ago
(Oh, and welcome to Database Administrators !)
– Pac0
2 days ago
@Pac0 Ha, unfortunately much of the reference is found in paper manuals from back then ;)
– Mike
yesterday
@Pac0 Ha, unfortunately much of the reference is found in paper manuals from back then ;)
– Mike
yesterday
add a comment |
We've taken a completely different rule now. We use one of two things:
`NVARCHAR(max)`
if it won't be indexed.
`NVARCHAR(400)`
if it will be indexed.
Generally speaking we believe that limits are obsolete and we really shouldn't care anymore. Disk space is cheap. The 400 ensures the index can always be created on the most restrictive target platform. It is my understanding that the 255 index limit on MySQL is gone else I would have written 255. The thing about VARCHAR
is you will not be penalized for allowing it to be bigger than it needs to be so there isn't much downside to being too big, so we just set it big and don't think about it anymore.
add a comment |
We've taken a completely different rule now. We use one of two things:
`NVARCHAR(max)`
if it won't be indexed.
`NVARCHAR(400)`
if it will be indexed.
Generally speaking we believe that limits are obsolete and we really shouldn't care anymore. Disk space is cheap. The 400 ensures the index can always be created on the most restrictive target platform. It is my understanding that the 255 index limit on MySQL is gone else I would have written 255. The thing about VARCHAR
is you will not be penalized for allowing it to be bigger than it needs to be so there isn't much downside to being too big, so we just set it big and don't think about it anymore.
add a comment |
We've taken a completely different rule now. We use one of two things:
`NVARCHAR(max)`
if it won't be indexed.
`NVARCHAR(400)`
if it will be indexed.
Generally speaking we believe that limits are obsolete and we really shouldn't care anymore. Disk space is cheap. The 400 ensures the index can always be created on the most restrictive target platform. It is my understanding that the 255 index limit on MySQL is gone else I would have written 255. The thing about VARCHAR
is you will not be penalized for allowing it to be bigger than it needs to be so there isn't much downside to being too big, so we just set it big and don't think about it anymore.
We've taken a completely different rule now. We use one of two things:
`NVARCHAR(max)`
if it won't be indexed.
`NVARCHAR(400)`
if it will be indexed.
Generally speaking we believe that limits are obsolete and we really shouldn't care anymore. Disk space is cheap. The 400 ensures the index can always be created on the most restrictive target platform. It is my understanding that the 255 index limit on MySQL is gone else I would have written 255. The thing about VARCHAR
is you will not be penalized for allowing it to be bigger than it needs to be so there isn't much downside to being too big, so we just set it big and don't think about it anymore.
answered 2 days ago
JoshuaJoshua
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1
Do you need 255 characters?
– McNets
2 days ago
Historical reasons, at least according to stackoverflow.com/questions/1217466/…
– Jonathan Fite
2 days ago
@McNets I actually need more than 255, but since that number is used so often, I thought I should use that as an example.
– dbdemon
2 days ago
Simply use the length you need.
– McNets
2 days ago
@EvanCarroll thanks for pointing out this question. It's useful and similar, though not exactly the same because I'm asking about 'magical' lengths (2^n -1).
– dbdemon
2 days ago