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          In theory, one should set the ISO/ASA of the camera to match the ISO/ASA of the film one loads into the camera. This is what those just learning how to shoot film should start with.



          In practice there are times when one might alter the ISO/ASA setting to be different from the loaded film.




          • If a film camera does not have an Exposure Compensation dial, one can use the ISO/ASA setting to effectively dial in EC. If, for example, one has loaded ISO 200 speed film and one desires to underexpose by one stop, it's as simple as changing the ISO/ASA setting to ISO 400, which is one stop faster than ISO 200. For the same film, if we wanted to overexpose by 2/3 stop, we could set the film speed to 125 and the meter would give us a reading that would expose 2/3-stop over for 200 speed film.

          • Contrast of B&W film can be increased or decreased by over or underexposing when shooting and then compensating by doing the opposite with development times. For example, if one shoots ISO 400 B&W film at ISO 800, the film will be underexposed by one stop. When the film is developed, increasing the amount of time the film is immersed in developer can compensate, but at the expense of less contrast and more grain. Sometimes this look is desirable. Sometimes it is not desired, but the subjects being photographed and the lighting conditions under which they are photographed necessitate "pushing" film. Sports at night, for instance.


          Most film manufacturers publish data sheets for each of their films that outline development times for shooting the film at different speeds as well as for developing the film when it is shot at the advertised sensitivity. They also include data regarding exposures longer than about one second (for most films) that are affected by the Schwarzschild effect, also known as reciprocity failure. Each film has different characteristics, and how much compensation must be made for long exposures can vary significantly from one film to the next.



          The thing to remember for "pushing" roll film is that the entire roll will be developed at once, so one is committed with shooting the entire roll at a specific ISO/ASA value.



          On the other hand, using the ISO/ASA dial for exposure compensation can be done on a per-shot basis. If I take three or four shots of a snow covered landscape, I can increase the exposure so that the camera's meter is not fooled and the white snow doesn't turn out a shade of medium gray, then set the film speed back to its normal setting for subsequent shots taken later under more normal shooting conditions. One must be careful to remember to return the ISO/ASA dial back to the actual speed of the film after taking the shot, though!



          Before 135 film started using DX coding to allow the camera to automatically set the ISO, many 35mm SLRs had a small holder on the back of the film door that was just the right size to hold the square end of a film box. The ends of film boxes almost always had the type of film and speed printed on it. These were often called "film reminders."



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          Photographic film speed is a numerical value that reveals its sensitivity to light. The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) is responsible to develop and the publish test methods to be used when assigning the ISO to any particular film. The digital community also allocates ISO values that closely mirror the ISO scheme.



          Historically, many methods were used to evaluate photographic film as to its sensitivity to light. Because the various test methods used different criteria, different values were often published for the same material. Soon individual countries assigned this task to their Bureau of Standards. We had ASA, American Standards Association, BSA, British Standard Association, DIN, Deutscher Normenausschuß (Germany), GOST, Former Soviet Union and others.



          The ISO published value is certainly the setting you should use unless in so doing, substandard results occur. In which case, your remedy will be trial-and-error to discover a revised value that works for you, i.e. specific for your equipment and/or methods of operation.



          Why the ISO might need tweaking? Your camera’s shutter speed values or aperture settings (f-numbers) might be off calibration. The light measuring system used (light meter) may also be in need of calibration. The method used to develop film might alter its sensitivity to light. The light sources and/or ambient light might be different as to frequencies (colors) from the test methods used, thus altering the sensitivity of the exposing material.



          There are a myriad of possibilities that can alter the published ISO and render it invalid. If you consistently experience substandard results, then it would be wise to apply a correction. Your camera likely provides for this by simply making a + or – adjustment using the exposure compensation dial.






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          • Many film cameras did not have an exposure compensation dial. The ASA dial was, in effect, the EC dial as well. Just don't forget to set it back to your film's speed after using it as such!

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          With film, it's all about density - specifically, an optimally dense negative that contains the perfect clumping of grains so as to maintain shadow detail and highlight detail. If you've ever severely underexposed and underdeveloped a negative, you'd describe it as "thin". Your shadow detail suffers and if you're printing in a traditional darkroom, you may find that your print exposures are too short even at lower f/stops.



          The opposite is too dense, or blocked. This is when you are so overexposed that the grains in the negative reveal no highlight detail whatsoever.



          Now, who determines optimal density? The people that made your film, according to the ISO standards. If they say that your film is ISO100, then a perfectly captured exposure using ISO100 in camera and following the manufacture recommendation for development will yield an optimally dense negative.



          Now, why would you change the camera setting to not be what the film is? For critical film work, we test a roll within a brick (one roll among many in the same manufacturing set) at different ISO's, usually a stop or two below box speed and then every third stop up to and over box speed. What I've found is that it is not uncommon to find that the optimal speed may actually be 2/3 or 1/2 stop below the box speed.



          Optimal density - that's one reason. Pushing or Pulling are others. As Michael C noted, also a "hack" to treat ISO as Exposure Compensation on cameras that don't have a dedicated EC. And finally, the worst reason of all: you forgot to update it when you swapped films.



          Don't do that last one.






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          ISO is the acronym for the International Organization for Standardization. ISO produces standards for many things, so that different manufacturers can produce products that work together. One example is screws: a 10-24 nut from one manufacturer will fit a 10-24 machine screw from any other manufacturer.



          In photography there's an ISO standard for film speeds. Film that is rated ISO 100 will be exposed correctly when you set your exposure meter for ISO 100.



          Same thing for digital: ISO speed describes how fast the sensor is. You set your meter for the ISO speed that you're using and the meter figures out the right exposure.



          Either way, photographing a scene with film or sensor set at the same ISO speed will give you the same combinations of aperture and exposure time. If a film camera with ISO 100 film produces a good image at f/8 and 1/250 sec., so will a digital camera set for ISO 100.



          The big difference between digital and film is that a digital camera can vary the ISO speed that it uses, while film can't. So if a scene is really dark, it might not be possible to photograph it with slow film; there just isn't enough light, and you would have to change to faster film. A digital camera can do that change automatically, boosting the ISO speed that it's using in order to get an image.






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            Comparing film ISO to digital ISO is a bit more complicated than what your answer suggests, particularly for exposures longer than 1 second or so, for which film users must consider reciprocity failure Even at shorter shutter times, the linear response of digital and the s-curved response of film means that even when mid-tones are exposed the same, highlights and shadows won't always be. Why are these film photos brighter than digital photos taken at the same time with the same settings?

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          • @MichaelC -- comparing film ISO to film ISO for different films, or camera ISO to camera ISO for different cameras, is also a bit more complicated. "Different isn't the same" -- Fred Picker. Beginners don't need that much detail.

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            "Beginners don't need that much detail." I respectfully disagree. I think it is wise to instruct new film users to use the film's stated ISO, but also I think we need to avoid giving the impression that some things are always equal when they are not always equal. Rather, we need to teach that different films and different digital cameras are approximately equal in the mid-tones when ISO is the same number.

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          In theory, one should set the ISO/ASA of the camera to match the ISO/ASA of the film one loads into the camera. This is what those just learning how to shoot film should start with.



          In practice there are times when one might alter the ISO/ASA setting to be different from the loaded film.




          • If a film camera does not have an Exposure Compensation dial, one can use the ISO/ASA setting to effectively dial in EC. If, for example, one has loaded ISO 200 speed film and one desires to underexpose by one stop, it's as simple as changing the ISO/ASA setting to ISO 400, which is one stop faster than ISO 200. For the same film, if we wanted to overexpose by 2/3 stop, we could set the film speed to 125 and the meter would give us a reading that would expose 2/3-stop over for 200 speed film.

          • Contrast of B&W film can be increased or decreased by over or underexposing when shooting and then compensating by doing the opposite with development times. For example, if one shoots ISO 400 B&W film at ISO 800, the film will be underexposed by one stop. When the film is developed, increasing the amount of time the film is immersed in developer can compensate, but at the expense of less contrast and more grain. Sometimes this look is desirable. Sometimes it is not desired, but the subjects being photographed and the lighting conditions under which they are photographed necessitate "pushing" film. Sports at night, for instance.


          Most film manufacturers publish data sheets for each of their films that outline development times for shooting the film at different speeds as well as for developing the film when it is shot at the advertised sensitivity. They also include data regarding exposures longer than about one second (for most films) that are affected by the Schwarzschild effect, also known as reciprocity failure. Each film has different characteristics, and how much compensation must be made for long exposures can vary significantly from one film to the next.



          The thing to remember for "pushing" roll film is that the entire roll will be developed at once, so one is committed with shooting the entire roll at a specific ISO/ASA value.



          On the other hand, using the ISO/ASA dial for exposure compensation can be done on a per-shot basis. If I take three or four shots of a snow covered landscape, I can increase the exposure so that the camera's meter is not fooled and the white snow doesn't turn out a shade of medium gray, then set the film speed back to its normal setting for subsequent shots taken later under more normal shooting conditions. One must be careful to remember to return the ISO/ASA dial back to the actual speed of the film after taking the shot, though!



          Before 135 film started using DX coding to allow the camera to automatically set the ISO, many 35mm SLRs had a small holder on the back of the film door that was just the right size to hold the square end of a film box. The ends of film boxes almost always had the type of film and speed printed on it. These were often called "film reminders."



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          In theory, one should set the ISO/ASA of the camera to match the ISO/ASA of the film one loads into the camera. This is what those just learning how to shoot film should start with.



          In practice there are times when one might alter the ISO/ASA setting to be different from the loaded film.




          • If a film camera does not have an Exposure Compensation dial, one can use the ISO/ASA setting to effectively dial in EC. If, for example, one has loaded ISO 200 speed film and one desires to underexpose by one stop, it's as simple as changing the ISO/ASA setting to ISO 400, which is one stop faster than ISO 200. For the same film, if we wanted to overexpose by 2/3 stop, we could set the film speed to 125 and the meter would give us a reading that would expose 2/3-stop over for 200 speed film.

          • Contrast of B&W film can be increased or decreased by over or underexposing when shooting and then compensating by doing the opposite with development times. For example, if one shoots ISO 400 B&W film at ISO 800, the film will be underexposed by one stop. When the film is developed, increasing the amount of time the film is immersed in developer can compensate, but at the expense of less contrast and more grain. Sometimes this look is desirable. Sometimes it is not desired, but the subjects being photographed and the lighting conditions under which they are photographed necessitate "pushing" film. Sports at night, for instance.


          Most film manufacturers publish data sheets for each of their films that outline development times for shooting the film at different speeds as well as for developing the film when it is shot at the advertised sensitivity. They also include data regarding exposures longer than about one second (for most films) that are affected by the Schwarzschild effect, also known as reciprocity failure. Each film has different characteristics, and how much compensation must be made for long exposures can vary significantly from one film to the next.



          The thing to remember for "pushing" roll film is that the entire roll will be developed at once, so one is committed with shooting the entire roll at a specific ISO/ASA value.



          On the other hand, using the ISO/ASA dial for exposure compensation can be done on a per-shot basis. If I take three or four shots of a snow covered landscape, I can increase the exposure so that the camera's meter is not fooled and the white snow doesn't turn out a shade of medium gray, then set the film speed back to its normal setting for subsequent shots taken later under more normal shooting conditions. One must be careful to remember to return the ISO/ASA dial back to the actual speed of the film after taking the shot, though!



          Before 135 film started using DX coding to allow the camera to automatically set the ISO, many 35mm SLRs had a small holder on the back of the film door that was just the right size to hold the square end of a film box. The ends of film boxes almost always had the type of film and speed printed on it. These were often called "film reminders."



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          In theory, one should set the ISO/ASA of the camera to match the ISO/ASA of the film one loads into the camera. This is what those just learning how to shoot film should start with.



          In practice there are times when one might alter the ISO/ASA setting to be different from the loaded film.




          • If a film camera does not have an Exposure Compensation dial, one can use the ISO/ASA setting to effectively dial in EC. If, for example, one has loaded ISO 200 speed film and one desires to underexpose by one stop, it's as simple as changing the ISO/ASA setting to ISO 400, which is one stop faster than ISO 200. For the same film, if we wanted to overexpose by 2/3 stop, we could set the film speed to 125 and the meter would give us a reading that would expose 2/3-stop over for 200 speed film.

          • Contrast of B&W film can be increased or decreased by over or underexposing when shooting and then compensating by doing the opposite with development times. For example, if one shoots ISO 400 B&W film at ISO 800, the film will be underexposed by one stop. When the film is developed, increasing the amount of time the film is immersed in developer can compensate, but at the expense of less contrast and more grain. Sometimes this look is desirable. Sometimes it is not desired, but the subjects being photographed and the lighting conditions under which they are photographed necessitate "pushing" film. Sports at night, for instance.


          Most film manufacturers publish data sheets for each of their films that outline development times for shooting the film at different speeds as well as for developing the film when it is shot at the advertised sensitivity. They also include data regarding exposures longer than about one second (for most films) that are affected by the Schwarzschild effect, also known as reciprocity failure. Each film has different characteristics, and how much compensation must be made for long exposures can vary significantly from one film to the next.



          The thing to remember for "pushing" roll film is that the entire roll will be developed at once, so one is committed with shooting the entire roll at a specific ISO/ASA value.



          On the other hand, using the ISO/ASA dial for exposure compensation can be done on a per-shot basis. If I take three or four shots of a snow covered landscape, I can increase the exposure so that the camera's meter is not fooled and the white snow doesn't turn out a shade of medium gray, then set the film speed back to its normal setting for subsequent shots taken later under more normal shooting conditions. One must be careful to remember to return the ISO/ASA dial back to the actual speed of the film after taking the shot, though!



          Before 135 film started using DX coding to allow the camera to automatically set the ISO, many 35mm SLRs had a small holder on the back of the film door that was just the right size to hold the square end of a film box. The ends of film boxes almost always had the type of film and speed printed on it. These were often called "film reminders."



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          In theory, one should set the ISO/ASA of the camera to match the ISO/ASA of the film one loads into the camera. This is what those just learning how to shoot film should start with.



          In practice there are times when one might alter the ISO/ASA setting to be different from the loaded film.




          • If a film camera does not have an Exposure Compensation dial, one can use the ISO/ASA setting to effectively dial in EC. If, for example, one has loaded ISO 200 speed film and one desires to underexpose by one stop, it's as simple as changing the ISO/ASA setting to ISO 400, which is one stop faster than ISO 200. For the same film, if we wanted to overexpose by 2/3 stop, we could set the film speed to 125 and the meter would give us a reading that would expose 2/3-stop over for 200 speed film.

          • Contrast of B&W film can be increased or decreased by over or underexposing when shooting and then compensating by doing the opposite with development times. For example, if one shoots ISO 400 B&W film at ISO 800, the film will be underexposed by one stop. When the film is developed, increasing the amount of time the film is immersed in developer can compensate, but at the expense of less contrast and more grain. Sometimes this look is desirable. Sometimes it is not desired, but the subjects being photographed and the lighting conditions under which they are photographed necessitate "pushing" film. Sports at night, for instance.


          Most film manufacturers publish data sheets for each of their films that outline development times for shooting the film at different speeds as well as for developing the film when it is shot at the advertised sensitivity. They also include data regarding exposures longer than about one second (for most films) that are affected by the Schwarzschild effect, also known as reciprocity failure. Each film has different characteristics, and how much compensation must be made for long exposures can vary significantly from one film to the next.



          The thing to remember for "pushing" roll film is that the entire roll will be developed at once, so one is committed with shooting the entire roll at a specific ISO/ASA value.



          On the other hand, using the ISO/ASA dial for exposure compensation can be done on a per-shot basis. If I take three or four shots of a snow covered landscape, I can increase the exposure so that the camera's meter is not fooled and the white snow doesn't turn out a shade of medium gray, then set the film speed back to its normal setting for subsequent shots taken later under more normal shooting conditions. One must be careful to remember to return the ISO/ASA dial back to the actual speed of the film after taking the shot, though!



          Before 135 film started using DX coding to allow the camera to automatically set the ISO, many 35mm SLRs had a small holder on the back of the film door that was just the right size to hold the square end of a film box. The ends of film boxes almost always had the type of film and speed printed on it. These were often called "film reminders."



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          Photographic film speed is a numerical value that reveals its sensitivity to light. The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) is responsible to develop and the publish test methods to be used when assigning the ISO to any particular film. The digital community also allocates ISO values that closely mirror the ISO scheme.



          Historically, many methods were used to evaluate photographic film as to its sensitivity to light. Because the various test methods used different criteria, different values were often published for the same material. Soon individual countries assigned this task to their Bureau of Standards. We had ASA, American Standards Association, BSA, British Standard Association, DIN, Deutscher Normenausschuß (Germany), GOST, Former Soviet Union and others.



          The ISO published value is certainly the setting you should use unless in so doing, substandard results occur. In which case, your remedy will be trial-and-error to discover a revised value that works for you, i.e. specific for your equipment and/or methods of operation.



          Why the ISO might need tweaking? Your camera’s shutter speed values or aperture settings (f-numbers) might be off calibration. The light measuring system used (light meter) may also be in need of calibration. The method used to develop film might alter its sensitivity to light. The light sources and/or ambient light might be different as to frequencies (colors) from the test methods used, thus altering the sensitivity of the exposing material.



          There are a myriad of possibilities that can alter the published ISO and render it invalid. If you consistently experience substandard results, then it would be wise to apply a correction. Your camera likely provides for this by simply making a + or – adjustment using the exposure compensation dial.






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          • Many film cameras did not have an exposure compensation dial. The ASA dial was, in effect, the EC dial as well. Just don't forget to set it back to your film's speed after using it as such!

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          Photographic film speed is a numerical value that reveals its sensitivity to light. The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) is responsible to develop and the publish test methods to be used when assigning the ISO to any particular film. The digital community also allocates ISO values that closely mirror the ISO scheme.



          Historically, many methods were used to evaluate photographic film as to its sensitivity to light. Because the various test methods used different criteria, different values were often published for the same material. Soon individual countries assigned this task to their Bureau of Standards. We had ASA, American Standards Association, BSA, British Standard Association, DIN, Deutscher Normenausschuß (Germany), GOST, Former Soviet Union and others.



          The ISO published value is certainly the setting you should use unless in so doing, substandard results occur. In which case, your remedy will be trial-and-error to discover a revised value that works for you, i.e. specific for your equipment and/or methods of operation.



          Why the ISO might need tweaking? Your camera’s shutter speed values or aperture settings (f-numbers) might be off calibration. The light measuring system used (light meter) may also be in need of calibration. The method used to develop film might alter its sensitivity to light. The light sources and/or ambient light might be different as to frequencies (colors) from the test methods used, thus altering the sensitivity of the exposing material.



          There are a myriad of possibilities that can alter the published ISO and render it invalid. If you consistently experience substandard results, then it would be wise to apply a correction. Your camera likely provides for this by simply making a + or – adjustment using the exposure compensation dial.






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          • Many film cameras did not have an exposure compensation dial. The ASA dial was, in effect, the EC dial as well. Just don't forget to set it back to your film's speed after using it as such!

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          Photographic film speed is a numerical value that reveals its sensitivity to light. The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) is responsible to develop and the publish test methods to be used when assigning the ISO to any particular film. The digital community also allocates ISO values that closely mirror the ISO scheme.



          Historically, many methods were used to evaluate photographic film as to its sensitivity to light. Because the various test methods used different criteria, different values were often published for the same material. Soon individual countries assigned this task to their Bureau of Standards. We had ASA, American Standards Association, BSA, British Standard Association, DIN, Deutscher Normenausschuß (Germany), GOST, Former Soviet Union and others.



          The ISO published value is certainly the setting you should use unless in so doing, substandard results occur. In which case, your remedy will be trial-and-error to discover a revised value that works for you, i.e. specific for your equipment and/or methods of operation.



          Why the ISO might need tweaking? Your camera’s shutter speed values or aperture settings (f-numbers) might be off calibration. The light measuring system used (light meter) may also be in need of calibration. The method used to develop film might alter its sensitivity to light. The light sources and/or ambient light might be different as to frequencies (colors) from the test methods used, thus altering the sensitivity of the exposing material.



          There are a myriad of possibilities that can alter the published ISO and render it invalid. If you consistently experience substandard results, then it would be wise to apply a correction. Your camera likely provides for this by simply making a + or – adjustment using the exposure compensation dial.






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          Photographic film speed is a numerical value that reveals its sensitivity to light. The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) is responsible to develop and the publish test methods to be used when assigning the ISO to any particular film. The digital community also allocates ISO values that closely mirror the ISO scheme.



          Historically, many methods were used to evaluate photographic film as to its sensitivity to light. Because the various test methods used different criteria, different values were often published for the same material. Soon individual countries assigned this task to their Bureau of Standards. We had ASA, American Standards Association, BSA, British Standard Association, DIN, Deutscher Normenausschuß (Germany), GOST, Former Soviet Union and others.



          The ISO published value is certainly the setting you should use unless in so doing, substandard results occur. In which case, your remedy will be trial-and-error to discover a revised value that works for you, i.e. specific for your equipment and/or methods of operation.



          Why the ISO might need tweaking? Your camera’s shutter speed values or aperture settings (f-numbers) might be off calibration. The light measuring system used (light meter) may also be in need of calibration. The method used to develop film might alter its sensitivity to light. The light sources and/or ambient light might be different as to frequencies (colors) from the test methods used, thus altering the sensitivity of the exposing material.



          There are a myriad of possibilities that can alter the published ISO and render it invalid. If you consistently experience substandard results, then it would be wise to apply a correction. Your camera likely provides for this by simply making a + or – adjustment using the exposure compensation dial.







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          • Many film cameras did not have an exposure compensation dial. The ASA dial was, in effect, the EC dial as well. Just don't forget to set it back to your film's speed after using it as such!

            – Michael C
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          • Many film cameras did not have an exposure compensation dial. The ASA dial was, in effect, the EC dial as well. Just don't forget to set it back to your film's speed after using it as such!

            – Michael C
            2 days ago

















          Many film cameras did not have an exposure compensation dial. The ASA dial was, in effect, the EC dial as well. Just don't forget to set it back to your film's speed after using it as such!

          – Michael C
          2 days ago





          Many film cameras did not have an exposure compensation dial. The ASA dial was, in effect, the EC dial as well. Just don't forget to set it back to your film's speed after using it as such!

          – Michael C
          2 days ago











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          With film, it's all about density - specifically, an optimally dense negative that contains the perfect clumping of grains so as to maintain shadow detail and highlight detail. If you've ever severely underexposed and underdeveloped a negative, you'd describe it as "thin". Your shadow detail suffers and if you're printing in a traditional darkroom, you may find that your print exposures are too short even at lower f/stops.



          The opposite is too dense, or blocked. This is when you are so overexposed that the grains in the negative reveal no highlight detail whatsoever.



          Now, who determines optimal density? The people that made your film, according to the ISO standards. If they say that your film is ISO100, then a perfectly captured exposure using ISO100 in camera and following the manufacture recommendation for development will yield an optimally dense negative.



          Now, why would you change the camera setting to not be what the film is? For critical film work, we test a roll within a brick (one roll among many in the same manufacturing set) at different ISO's, usually a stop or two below box speed and then every third stop up to and over box speed. What I've found is that it is not uncommon to find that the optimal speed may actually be 2/3 or 1/2 stop below the box speed.



          Optimal density - that's one reason. Pushing or Pulling are others. As Michael C noted, also a "hack" to treat ISO as Exposure Compensation on cameras that don't have a dedicated EC. And finally, the worst reason of all: you forgot to update it when you swapped films.



          Don't do that last one.






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          • @Eavan you’re welcome. Are you printing your photos in a darkroom?

            – Hueco
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          With film, it's all about density - specifically, an optimally dense negative that contains the perfect clumping of grains so as to maintain shadow detail and highlight detail. If you've ever severely underexposed and underdeveloped a negative, you'd describe it as "thin". Your shadow detail suffers and if you're printing in a traditional darkroom, you may find that your print exposures are too short even at lower f/stops.



          The opposite is too dense, or blocked. This is when you are so overexposed that the grains in the negative reveal no highlight detail whatsoever.



          Now, who determines optimal density? The people that made your film, according to the ISO standards. If they say that your film is ISO100, then a perfectly captured exposure using ISO100 in camera and following the manufacture recommendation for development will yield an optimally dense negative.



          Now, why would you change the camera setting to not be what the film is? For critical film work, we test a roll within a brick (one roll among many in the same manufacturing set) at different ISO's, usually a stop or two below box speed and then every third stop up to and over box speed. What I've found is that it is not uncommon to find that the optimal speed may actually be 2/3 or 1/2 stop below the box speed.



          Optimal density - that's one reason. Pushing or Pulling are others. As Michael C noted, also a "hack" to treat ISO as Exposure Compensation on cameras that don't have a dedicated EC. And finally, the worst reason of all: you forgot to update it when you swapped films.



          Don't do that last one.






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          • This helped me understand it a lot more thank you !!!

            – Eavan
            yesterday











          • @Eavan you’re welcome. Are you printing your photos in a darkroom?

            – Hueco
            yesterday














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          With film, it's all about density - specifically, an optimally dense negative that contains the perfect clumping of grains so as to maintain shadow detail and highlight detail. If you've ever severely underexposed and underdeveloped a negative, you'd describe it as "thin". Your shadow detail suffers and if you're printing in a traditional darkroom, you may find that your print exposures are too short even at lower f/stops.



          The opposite is too dense, or blocked. This is when you are so overexposed that the grains in the negative reveal no highlight detail whatsoever.



          Now, who determines optimal density? The people that made your film, according to the ISO standards. If they say that your film is ISO100, then a perfectly captured exposure using ISO100 in camera and following the manufacture recommendation for development will yield an optimally dense negative.



          Now, why would you change the camera setting to not be what the film is? For critical film work, we test a roll within a brick (one roll among many in the same manufacturing set) at different ISO's, usually a stop or two below box speed and then every third stop up to and over box speed. What I've found is that it is not uncommon to find that the optimal speed may actually be 2/3 or 1/2 stop below the box speed.



          Optimal density - that's one reason. Pushing or Pulling are others. As Michael C noted, also a "hack" to treat ISO as Exposure Compensation on cameras that don't have a dedicated EC. And finally, the worst reason of all: you forgot to update it when you swapped films.



          Don't do that last one.






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          With film, it's all about density - specifically, an optimally dense negative that contains the perfect clumping of grains so as to maintain shadow detail and highlight detail. If you've ever severely underexposed and underdeveloped a negative, you'd describe it as "thin". Your shadow detail suffers and if you're printing in a traditional darkroom, you may find that your print exposures are too short even at lower f/stops.



          The opposite is too dense, or blocked. This is when you are so overexposed that the grains in the negative reveal no highlight detail whatsoever.



          Now, who determines optimal density? The people that made your film, according to the ISO standards. If they say that your film is ISO100, then a perfectly captured exposure using ISO100 in camera and following the manufacture recommendation for development will yield an optimally dense negative.



          Now, why would you change the camera setting to not be what the film is? For critical film work, we test a roll within a brick (one roll among many in the same manufacturing set) at different ISO's, usually a stop or two below box speed and then every third stop up to and over box speed. What I've found is that it is not uncommon to find that the optimal speed may actually be 2/3 or 1/2 stop below the box speed.



          Optimal density - that's one reason. Pushing or Pulling are others. As Michael C noted, also a "hack" to treat ISO as Exposure Compensation on cameras that don't have a dedicated EC. And finally, the worst reason of all: you forgot to update it when you swapped films.



          Don't do that last one.







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          • This helped me understand it a lot more thank you !!!

            – Eavan
            yesterday











          • @Eavan you’re welcome. Are you printing your photos in a darkroom?

            – Hueco
            yesterday



















          • This helped me understand it a lot more thank you !!!

            – Eavan
            yesterday











          • @Eavan you’re welcome. Are you printing your photos in a darkroom?

            – Hueco
            yesterday

















          This helped me understand it a lot more thank you !!!

          – Eavan
          yesterday





          This helped me understand it a lot more thank you !!!

          – Eavan
          yesterday













          @Eavan you’re welcome. Are you printing your photos in a darkroom?

          – Hueco
          yesterday





          @Eavan you’re welcome. Are you printing your photos in a darkroom?

          – Hueco
          yesterday











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          ISO is the acronym for the International Organization for Standardization. ISO produces standards for many things, so that different manufacturers can produce products that work together. One example is screws: a 10-24 nut from one manufacturer will fit a 10-24 machine screw from any other manufacturer.



          In photography there's an ISO standard for film speeds. Film that is rated ISO 100 will be exposed correctly when you set your exposure meter for ISO 100.



          Same thing for digital: ISO speed describes how fast the sensor is. You set your meter for the ISO speed that you're using and the meter figures out the right exposure.



          Either way, photographing a scene with film or sensor set at the same ISO speed will give you the same combinations of aperture and exposure time. If a film camera with ISO 100 film produces a good image at f/8 and 1/250 sec., so will a digital camera set for ISO 100.



          The big difference between digital and film is that a digital camera can vary the ISO speed that it uses, while film can't. So if a scene is really dark, it might not be possible to photograph it with slow film; there just isn't enough light, and you would have to change to faster film. A digital camera can do that change automatically, boosting the ISO speed that it's using in order to get an image.






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            Comparing film ISO to digital ISO is a bit more complicated than what your answer suggests, particularly for exposures longer than 1 second or so, for which film users must consider reciprocity failure Even at shorter shutter times, the linear response of digital and the s-curved response of film means that even when mid-tones are exposed the same, highlights and shadows won't always be. Why are these film photos brighter than digital photos taken at the same time with the same settings?

            – Michael C
            2 days ago













          • @MichaelC -- comparing film ISO to film ISO for different films, or camera ISO to camera ISO for different cameras, is also a bit more complicated. "Different isn't the same" -- Fred Picker. Beginners don't need that much detail.

            – Pete Becker
            2 days ago






          • 1





            "Beginners don't need that much detail." I respectfully disagree. I think it is wise to instruct new film users to use the film's stated ISO, but also I think we need to avoid giving the impression that some things are always equal when they are not always equal. Rather, we need to teach that different films and different digital cameras are approximately equal in the mid-tones when ISO is the same number.

            – Michael C
            2 days ago








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            Thanks this really was useful to read I am beginning o understand it a lot more :)

            – Eavan
            yesterday
















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          ISO is the acronym for the International Organization for Standardization. ISO produces standards for many things, so that different manufacturers can produce products that work together. One example is screws: a 10-24 nut from one manufacturer will fit a 10-24 machine screw from any other manufacturer.



          In photography there's an ISO standard for film speeds. Film that is rated ISO 100 will be exposed correctly when you set your exposure meter for ISO 100.



          Same thing for digital: ISO speed describes how fast the sensor is. You set your meter for the ISO speed that you're using and the meter figures out the right exposure.



          Either way, photographing a scene with film or sensor set at the same ISO speed will give you the same combinations of aperture and exposure time. If a film camera with ISO 100 film produces a good image at f/8 and 1/250 sec., so will a digital camera set for ISO 100.



          The big difference between digital and film is that a digital camera can vary the ISO speed that it uses, while film can't. So if a scene is really dark, it might not be possible to photograph it with slow film; there just isn't enough light, and you would have to change to faster film. A digital camera can do that change automatically, boosting the ISO speed that it's using in order to get an image.






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          • 1





            Comparing film ISO to digital ISO is a bit more complicated than what your answer suggests, particularly for exposures longer than 1 second or so, for which film users must consider reciprocity failure Even at shorter shutter times, the linear response of digital and the s-curved response of film means that even when mid-tones are exposed the same, highlights and shadows won't always be. Why are these film photos brighter than digital photos taken at the same time with the same settings?

            – Michael C
            2 days ago













          • @MichaelC -- comparing film ISO to film ISO for different films, or camera ISO to camera ISO for different cameras, is also a bit more complicated. "Different isn't the same" -- Fred Picker. Beginners don't need that much detail.

            – Pete Becker
            2 days ago






          • 1





            "Beginners don't need that much detail." I respectfully disagree. I think it is wise to instruct new film users to use the film's stated ISO, but also I think we need to avoid giving the impression that some things are always equal when they are not always equal. Rather, we need to teach that different films and different digital cameras are approximately equal in the mid-tones when ISO is the same number.

            – Michael C
            2 days ago








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            Thanks this really was useful to read I am beginning o understand it a lot more :)

            – Eavan
            yesterday














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          ISO is the acronym for the International Organization for Standardization. ISO produces standards for many things, so that different manufacturers can produce products that work together. One example is screws: a 10-24 nut from one manufacturer will fit a 10-24 machine screw from any other manufacturer.



          In photography there's an ISO standard for film speeds. Film that is rated ISO 100 will be exposed correctly when you set your exposure meter for ISO 100.



          Same thing for digital: ISO speed describes how fast the sensor is. You set your meter for the ISO speed that you're using and the meter figures out the right exposure.



          Either way, photographing a scene with film or sensor set at the same ISO speed will give you the same combinations of aperture and exposure time. If a film camera with ISO 100 film produces a good image at f/8 and 1/250 sec., so will a digital camera set for ISO 100.



          The big difference between digital and film is that a digital camera can vary the ISO speed that it uses, while film can't. So if a scene is really dark, it might not be possible to photograph it with slow film; there just isn't enough light, and you would have to change to faster film. A digital camera can do that change automatically, boosting the ISO speed that it's using in order to get an image.






          share|improve this answer













          ISO is the acronym for the International Organization for Standardization. ISO produces standards for many things, so that different manufacturers can produce products that work together. One example is screws: a 10-24 nut from one manufacturer will fit a 10-24 machine screw from any other manufacturer.



          In photography there's an ISO standard for film speeds. Film that is rated ISO 100 will be exposed correctly when you set your exposure meter for ISO 100.



          Same thing for digital: ISO speed describes how fast the sensor is. You set your meter for the ISO speed that you're using and the meter figures out the right exposure.



          Either way, photographing a scene with film or sensor set at the same ISO speed will give you the same combinations of aperture and exposure time. If a film camera with ISO 100 film produces a good image at f/8 and 1/250 sec., so will a digital camera set for ISO 100.



          The big difference between digital and film is that a digital camera can vary the ISO speed that it uses, while film can't. So if a scene is really dark, it might not be possible to photograph it with slow film; there just isn't enough light, and you would have to change to faster film. A digital camera can do that change automatically, boosting the ISO speed that it's using in order to get an image.







          share|improve this answer












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          • 1





            Comparing film ISO to digital ISO is a bit more complicated than what your answer suggests, particularly for exposures longer than 1 second or so, for which film users must consider reciprocity failure Even at shorter shutter times, the linear response of digital and the s-curved response of film means that even when mid-tones are exposed the same, highlights and shadows won't always be. Why are these film photos brighter than digital photos taken at the same time with the same settings?

            – Michael C
            2 days ago













          • @MichaelC -- comparing film ISO to film ISO for different films, or camera ISO to camera ISO for different cameras, is also a bit more complicated. "Different isn't the same" -- Fred Picker. Beginners don't need that much detail.

            – Pete Becker
            2 days ago






          • 1





            "Beginners don't need that much detail." I respectfully disagree. I think it is wise to instruct new film users to use the film's stated ISO, but also I think we need to avoid giving the impression that some things are always equal when they are not always equal. Rather, we need to teach that different films and different digital cameras are approximately equal in the mid-tones when ISO is the same number.

            – Michael C
            2 days ago








          • 1





            Thanks this really was useful to read I am beginning o understand it a lot more :)

            – Eavan
            yesterday














          • 1





            Comparing film ISO to digital ISO is a bit more complicated than what your answer suggests, particularly for exposures longer than 1 second or so, for which film users must consider reciprocity failure Even at shorter shutter times, the linear response of digital and the s-curved response of film means that even when mid-tones are exposed the same, highlights and shadows won't always be. Why are these film photos brighter than digital photos taken at the same time with the same settings?

            – Michael C
            2 days ago













          • @MichaelC -- comparing film ISO to film ISO for different films, or camera ISO to camera ISO for different cameras, is also a bit more complicated. "Different isn't the same" -- Fred Picker. Beginners don't need that much detail.

            – Pete Becker
            2 days ago






          • 1





            "Beginners don't need that much detail." I respectfully disagree. I think it is wise to instruct new film users to use the film's stated ISO, but also I think we need to avoid giving the impression that some things are always equal when they are not always equal. Rather, we need to teach that different films and different digital cameras are approximately equal in the mid-tones when ISO is the same number.

            – Michael C
            2 days ago








          • 1





            Thanks this really was useful to read I am beginning o understand it a lot more :)

            – Eavan
            yesterday








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          Comparing film ISO to digital ISO is a bit more complicated than what your answer suggests, particularly for exposures longer than 1 second or so, for which film users must consider reciprocity failure Even at shorter shutter times, the linear response of digital and the s-curved response of film means that even when mid-tones are exposed the same, highlights and shadows won't always be. Why are these film photos brighter than digital photos taken at the same time with the same settings?

          – Michael C
          2 days ago







          Comparing film ISO to digital ISO is a bit more complicated than what your answer suggests, particularly for exposures longer than 1 second or so, for which film users must consider reciprocity failure Even at shorter shutter times, the linear response of digital and the s-curved response of film means that even when mid-tones are exposed the same, highlights and shadows won't always be. Why are these film photos brighter than digital photos taken at the same time with the same settings?

          – Michael C
          2 days ago















          @MichaelC -- comparing film ISO to film ISO for different films, or camera ISO to camera ISO for different cameras, is also a bit more complicated. "Different isn't the same" -- Fred Picker. Beginners don't need that much detail.

          – Pete Becker
          2 days ago





          @MichaelC -- comparing film ISO to film ISO for different films, or camera ISO to camera ISO for different cameras, is also a bit more complicated. "Different isn't the same" -- Fred Picker. Beginners don't need that much detail.

          – Pete Becker
          2 days ago




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          1





          "Beginners don't need that much detail." I respectfully disagree. I think it is wise to instruct new film users to use the film's stated ISO, but also I think we need to avoid giving the impression that some things are always equal when they are not always equal. Rather, we need to teach that different films and different digital cameras are approximately equal in the mid-tones when ISO is the same number.

          – Michael C
          2 days ago







          "Beginners don't need that much detail." I respectfully disagree. I think it is wise to instruct new film users to use the film's stated ISO, but also I think we need to avoid giving the impression that some things are always equal when they are not always equal. Rather, we need to teach that different films and different digital cameras are approximately equal in the mid-tones when ISO is the same number.

          – Michael C
          2 days ago






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