Why do we require requires requires?
One of the corners of C++20 concepts is that there are certain situations in which you have to write requires requires
. For instance, this example from [expr.prim.req]/3:
A requires-expression can also be used in a requires-clause ([temp]) as a way of writing ad hoc constraints on template arguments such as the one below:
template<typename T>
requires requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
The first requires introduces the requires-clause, and the second introduces the requires-expression.
What is the technical reason behind needing that second requires
keyword? Why can't we just allow writing:
template<typename T>
requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
(Note: please don't answer that the grammar requires
it)
c++ c++-concepts c++20
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One of the corners of C++20 concepts is that there are certain situations in which you have to write requires requires
. For instance, this example from [expr.prim.req]/3:
A requires-expression can also be used in a requires-clause ([temp]) as a way of writing ad hoc constraints on template arguments such as the one below:
template<typename T>
requires requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
The first requires introduces the requires-clause, and the second introduces the requires-expression.
What is the technical reason behind needing that second requires
keyword? Why can't we just allow writing:
template<typename T>
requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
(Note: please don't answer that the grammar requires
it)
c++ c++-concepts c++20
18
Suggestion: "Is there anything that requires requires requires?". More seriously, I have a hunch that it's the same reason behindnoexcept(noexcept(...))
.
– Quentin
2 days ago
8
The tworequires
are homonyms in my opinion: they look the same, spell the same, smell the same, but are intrinsically different. If I were to suggest a fix, I'd suggest to rename one of them.
– YSC
2 days ago
3
@YSC -co_requires
? (Sorry, couldn't resist).
– StoryTeller
2 days ago
104
Where will the madness stop? Next thing you know, we'll havelong long
.
– Eljay
2 days ago
8
@StoryTeller: "Requires requires required?" would have been even more alliterative!!
– P.W
2 days ago
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One of the corners of C++20 concepts is that there are certain situations in which you have to write requires requires
. For instance, this example from [expr.prim.req]/3:
A requires-expression can also be used in a requires-clause ([temp]) as a way of writing ad hoc constraints on template arguments such as the one below:
template<typename T>
requires requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
The first requires introduces the requires-clause, and the second introduces the requires-expression.
What is the technical reason behind needing that second requires
keyword? Why can't we just allow writing:
template<typename T>
requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
(Note: please don't answer that the grammar requires
it)
c++ c++-concepts c++20
One of the corners of C++20 concepts is that there are certain situations in which you have to write requires requires
. For instance, this example from [expr.prim.req]/3:
A requires-expression can also be used in a requires-clause ([temp]) as a way of writing ad hoc constraints on template arguments such as the one below:
template<typename T>
requires requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
The first requires introduces the requires-clause, and the second introduces the requires-expression.
What is the technical reason behind needing that second requires
keyword? Why can't we just allow writing:
template<typename T>
requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
(Note: please don't answer that the grammar requires
it)
c++ c++-concepts c++20
c++ c++-concepts c++20
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Suggestion: "Is there anything that requires requires requires?". More seriously, I have a hunch that it's the same reason behindnoexcept(noexcept(...))
.
– Quentin
2 days ago
8
The tworequires
are homonyms in my opinion: they look the same, spell the same, smell the same, but are intrinsically different. If I were to suggest a fix, I'd suggest to rename one of them.
– YSC
2 days ago
3
@YSC -co_requires
? (Sorry, couldn't resist).
– StoryTeller
2 days ago
104
Where will the madness stop? Next thing you know, we'll havelong long
.
– Eljay
2 days ago
8
@StoryTeller: "Requires requires required?" would have been even more alliterative!!
– P.W
2 days ago
|
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18
Suggestion: "Is there anything that requires requires requires?". More seriously, I have a hunch that it's the same reason behindnoexcept(noexcept(...))
.
– Quentin
2 days ago
8
The tworequires
are homonyms in my opinion: they look the same, spell the same, smell the same, but are intrinsically different. If I were to suggest a fix, I'd suggest to rename one of them.
– YSC
2 days ago
3
@YSC -co_requires
? (Sorry, couldn't resist).
– StoryTeller
2 days ago
104
Where will the madness stop? Next thing you know, we'll havelong long
.
– Eljay
2 days ago
8
@StoryTeller: "Requires requires required?" would have been even more alliterative!!
– P.W
2 days ago
18
18
Suggestion: "Is there anything that requires requires requires?". More seriously, I have a hunch that it's the same reason behind
noexcept(noexcept(...))
.– Quentin
2 days ago
Suggestion: "Is there anything that requires requires requires?". More seriously, I have a hunch that it's the same reason behind
noexcept(noexcept(...))
.– Quentin
2 days ago
8
8
The two
requires
are homonyms in my opinion: they look the same, spell the same, smell the same, but are intrinsically different. If I were to suggest a fix, I'd suggest to rename one of them.– YSC
2 days ago
The two
requires
are homonyms in my opinion: they look the same, spell the same, smell the same, but are intrinsically different. If I were to suggest a fix, I'd suggest to rename one of them.– YSC
2 days ago
3
3
@YSC -
co_requires
? (Sorry, couldn't resist).– StoryTeller
2 days ago
@YSC -
co_requires
? (Sorry, couldn't resist).– StoryTeller
2 days ago
104
104
Where will the madness stop? Next thing you know, we'll have
long long
.– Eljay
2 days ago
Where will the madness stop? Next thing you know, we'll have
long long
.– Eljay
2 days ago
8
8
@StoryTeller: "Requires requires required?" would have been even more alliterative!!
– P.W
2 days ago
@StoryTeller: "Requires requires required?" would have been even more alliterative!!
– P.W
2 days ago
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It is because the grammar requires it. It does.
A requires
constraint does not have to use a requires
expression. It can use any more-or-less arbitrary boolean constant expression. Therefore, requires (foo)
must be a legitimate requires
constraint.
A requires
expression (that thing that tests whether certain things follow certain constraints) is a distinct construct; it's just introduced by the same keyword. requires (foo f)
would be the beginning of a valid requires
expression.
What you want is that if you use requires
in a place that accepts constraints, you should be able to make a "constraint+expression" out of the requires
clause.
So here's the question: if you put requires (foo)
into a place that is appropriate for a requires constraint... how far does the parser have to go before it can realize that this is a requires constraint rather than a constraint+expression the way you want it to be?
Consider this:
void bar() requires (foo)
{
//stuff
}
If foo
is a type, then (foo)
is a parameter list of a requires expression, and everything in the {}
is not the body of the function but the body of that requires
expression. Otherwise, foo
is an expression in a requires
clause.
Well, you could say that the compiler should just figure out what foo
is first. But C++ really doesn't like it when the basic act of parsing a sequence of tokens requires that the compiler figure out what those identifiers mean before it can make sense of the tokens. Yes, C++ is context-sensitive, so this does happen. But the committee prefers to avoid it where possible.
So yes, it's grammar.
2
Does it make sense to have a parameter list with a type but without a name?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
@Quentin: There are certainly cases of context-dependency in the C++ grammar. But the committee really does try to minimize that, and they definitely don't like adding more.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
3
@RobertAndrzejuk: Ifrequires
appears after a<>
set of template arguments or after a function parameter list, then it's a requires-clause. Ifrequires
appears where an expression is valid, then it is a requires-expression. This can be determined by the structure of the parse tree, not the contents of the parse tree (the specifics of how an identifier gets defined would be the contents of the tree).
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
5
@RobertAndrzejuk: Sure, the requires-expression could have used a different keyword. But keywords have huge costs in C++, as they have the potential to break any program that used the identifier that has become a keyword. The concepts proposal already introduced two keywords:concept
andrequires
. Introducing a third, when the second would be able to cover both cases with no grammatical issues and few user-facing problems, is just wasteful. After all, the only visual problem is that the keyword happens to be repeated twice.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
@RobertAndrzejuk it's bad practice anyway to inline constraints like that since you don't get subsumption as if you had written a concept. So taking an identifier for such a low use not recommended feature isn't a good idea.
– Rakete1111
2 days ago
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The situation is exactly analogous to noexcept(noexcept(...))
. Sure, this sounds more like a bad thing than a good thing, but let me explain. :) We'll start with what you already know:
C++11 has "noexcept
-clauses" and "noexcept
-expressions." They do different things.
A
noexcept
-clause says, "This function should be noexcept when... (some condition)." It goes on a function declaration, takes a boolean parameter, and causes a behavioral change in the declared function.A
noexcept
-expression says, "Compiler, please tell me whether (some expression) is noexcept." It is itself a boolean expression. It has no "side effects" on the behavior of the program — it's just asking the compiler for the answer to a yes/no question. "Is this expression noexcept?"
We can nest a noexcept
-expression inside a noexcept
-clause, but we typically consider it bad style to do so.
template<class T>
void incr(T t) noexcept(noexcept(++t)); // NOT SO HOT
It's considered better style to encapsulate the noexcept
-expression in a type-trait.
template<class T> inline constexpr bool is_nothrow_incrable_v =
noexcept(++std::declval<T&>()); // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) noexcept(is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>); // BETTER, PART 2
The C++2a Working Draft has "requires
-clauses" and "requires
-expressions." They do different things.
A
requires
-clause says, "This function should participate in overload resolution when... (some condition)." It goes on a function declaration, takes a boolean parameter, and causes a behavioral change in the declared function.A
requires
-expression says, "Compiler, please tell me whether (some set of expressions) is well-formed." It is itself a boolean expression. It has no "side effects" on the behavior of the program — it's just asking the compiler for the answer to a yes/no question. "Is this expression well-formed?"
We can nest a requires
-expression inside a requires
-clause, but we typically consider it bad style to do so.
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires (requires(T t) { ++t; }); // NOT SO HOT
It's considered better style to encapsulate the requires
-expression in a type-trait...
template<class T> inline constexpr bool is_incrable_v =
requires(T t) { ++t; }; // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires is_incrable_v<T>; // BETTER, PART 2
...or in a (C++2a Working Draft) concept.
template<class T> concept Incrable =
requires(T t) { ++t; }; // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires Incrable<T>; // BETTER, PART 2
I don't really buy this argument.noexcept
has the problem thatnoexcept(f())
could mean either interpretf()
as a boolean that we're using to set the specification or check whether or notf()
isnoexcept
.requires
doesn't have this ambiguity because the expressions its checking for validity already have to be introduced with{}
s. After that, the argument is basically "the grammar says so."
– Barry
2 days ago
@Barry: See this comment. It appears the{}
are optional.
– Eric
yesterday
@Eric The{}
are not optional, that's not what that comment shows. However, that is a great comment demonstrating parsing ambiguity. Would probably accept that comment (with some explanation) as a standalone answer
– Barry
yesterday
1
requires is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>;
should berequires is_incrable_v<T>;
– Ruslan
yesterday
@Ruslan thanks! fixed.
– Quuxplusone
yesterday
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I think cppreference's concepts page explains this. I can explain with "math" so to say, why this must be like this:
If you want to define a concept, you do this:
template<typename T>
concept Addable = requires (T x) { x + x; }; // requires-expression
If you want to declare a function that uses that concept, you do this:
template<typename T> requires Addable<T> // requires-clause, not requires-expression
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
Now if you don't want to define the concept separately, I guess all you have to do is some substitution. Take this part requires (T x) { x + x; };
and replace the Addable<T>
part, and you'll get:
template<typename T> requires requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
which is what you're asking about.
4
I don't think is what the question is asking for. This is explaining the grammar, more or less.
– Passer By
2 days ago
But why can't you havetemplate<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
and require that require can be both the clause and the expression?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
2
@NathanOliver: Because you're forcing the compiler to interpret one construct as another. Arequires
-as-constraint clause does not have to be arequires
-expression. That's merely one possible use of it.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
@TheQuantumPhysicist What I was getting at with my comment is this answer just explains the syntax. Not what actual technical reason we have torequires requires
. They could have added something to the grammar to allowtemplate<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
but they didn't. Barry wants to know why they didn't
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
If we're really playing find-the-grammar-ambiguity here, OK, I'll bite. godbolt.org/z/i6n8kMtemplate<class T> void f(T) requires requires(T (x)) { (void)x; };
means something different if you remove one of therequires
es.
– Quuxplusone
2 days ago
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I found a comment from Andrew Sutton (one of the Concepts authors, who implemented it in gcc) to be quite helpful in this regard, so I thought I'd just quote it here in its near-entirety:
Not so long ago requires-expressions (the phrase introduced by the second requires) was not allowed in constraint-expressions (the phrase introduced by the first requires). It could only appear in concept definitions. In fact, this is exactly what is proposed in the section of that paper where that claim appears.
However, in 2016, there was a proposal to relax that restriction [Editor's note: P0266]. Note the strikethrough of paragraph 4 in section 4 of the paper. And thus was born requires requires.
To tell the truth, I had never actually implemented that restriction in GCC, so it had always been possible. I think that Walter may have discovered that and found it useful, leading to that paper.
Lest anybody think that I wasn't sensitive to writing requires twice, I did spend some time trying to determine if that could be simplified. Short answer: no.
The problem is that there are two grammatical constructs that need to introduced after a template parameter list: very commonly a constraint expression (like
P && Q
) and occasionally syntactic requirements (likerequires (T a) { ... }
). That's called a requires-expression.
The first requires introduces the constraint. The second requires introduces the requires-expression. That's just the way the grammar composes. I don't find it confusing at all.
I tried, at one point, to collapse these to a single requires. Unfortunately, that leads to some seriously difficult parsing problems. You can't easily tell, for example if a
(
after the requires denotes a nested subexpression or a parameter-list. I don't believe that there is a perfect disambiguation of those syntaxes (see the rationale for uniform initialization syntax; this problem is there too).
So you make a choice: make requires introduce an expression (as it does now) or make it introduce a parameterized list of requirements.
I chose the current approach because most of the time (as in nearly 100% of the time), I want something other than a requires-expression. And in the exceedingly rare case I did want a requires-expression for ad hoc constraints, I really don't mind writing the word twice. It's a an obvious indicator that I haven't developed a sufficiently sound abstraction for the template. (Because if I had, it would have a name.)
I could have chosen to make the requires introduce a requires-expression. That's actually worse, because practically all of your constraints would start to look like this:
template<typename T>
requires { requires Eq<T>; }
void f(T a, T b);
Here, the 2nd requires is called a nested-requirement; it evaluates its expression (other code in the block of the requires-expression is not evaluated). I think this is way worse than the status quo. Now, you get to write requires twice everywhere.
I could also have used more keywords. This is a problem in its own right---and it's not just bike shedding. There might be a way to "redistribute" keywords to avoid the duplication, but I haven't given that serious thought. But that doesn't really change the essence of the problem.
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Because you are saying that a thing A has a requirement B, and the requirement B has a requirement C.
The thing A requires B which in turn requires C.
The "requires" clause itself requires something.
You have thing A (requiring B (requiring C)).
Meh. :)
3
But according to the other answers, the first and secondrequires
are not conceptually the same thing (one is a clause, one an expression). In fact, if I understand correctly, the two sets of()
inrequires (requires (T x) { x + x; })
have very different meanings (the outer being optional and always containing a boolean constexpr; the inner being a mandatory part of introducing a requires expression and not allowing actual expressions).
– Max Langhof
2 days ago
2
@MaxLanghof Are you saying that the requirements differ? :D
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
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It is because the grammar requires it. It does.
A requires
constraint does not have to use a requires
expression. It can use any more-or-less arbitrary boolean constant expression. Therefore, requires (foo)
must be a legitimate requires
constraint.
A requires
expression (that thing that tests whether certain things follow certain constraints) is a distinct construct; it's just introduced by the same keyword. requires (foo f)
would be the beginning of a valid requires
expression.
What you want is that if you use requires
in a place that accepts constraints, you should be able to make a "constraint+expression" out of the requires
clause.
So here's the question: if you put requires (foo)
into a place that is appropriate for a requires constraint... how far does the parser have to go before it can realize that this is a requires constraint rather than a constraint+expression the way you want it to be?
Consider this:
void bar() requires (foo)
{
//stuff
}
If foo
is a type, then (foo)
is a parameter list of a requires expression, and everything in the {}
is not the body of the function but the body of that requires
expression. Otherwise, foo
is an expression in a requires
clause.
Well, you could say that the compiler should just figure out what foo
is first. But C++ really doesn't like it when the basic act of parsing a sequence of tokens requires that the compiler figure out what those identifiers mean before it can make sense of the tokens. Yes, C++ is context-sensitive, so this does happen. But the committee prefers to avoid it where possible.
So yes, it's grammar.
2
Does it make sense to have a parameter list with a type but without a name?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
@Quentin: There are certainly cases of context-dependency in the C++ grammar. But the committee really does try to minimize that, and they definitely don't like adding more.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
3
@RobertAndrzejuk: Ifrequires
appears after a<>
set of template arguments or after a function parameter list, then it's a requires-clause. Ifrequires
appears where an expression is valid, then it is a requires-expression. This can be determined by the structure of the parse tree, not the contents of the parse tree (the specifics of how an identifier gets defined would be the contents of the tree).
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
5
@RobertAndrzejuk: Sure, the requires-expression could have used a different keyword. But keywords have huge costs in C++, as they have the potential to break any program that used the identifier that has become a keyword. The concepts proposal already introduced two keywords:concept
andrequires
. Introducing a third, when the second would be able to cover both cases with no grammatical issues and few user-facing problems, is just wasteful. After all, the only visual problem is that the keyword happens to be repeated twice.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
@RobertAndrzejuk it's bad practice anyway to inline constraints like that since you don't get subsumption as if you had written a concept. So taking an identifier for such a low use not recommended feature isn't a good idea.
– Rakete1111
2 days ago
|
show 5 more comments
It is because the grammar requires it. It does.
A requires
constraint does not have to use a requires
expression. It can use any more-or-less arbitrary boolean constant expression. Therefore, requires (foo)
must be a legitimate requires
constraint.
A requires
expression (that thing that tests whether certain things follow certain constraints) is a distinct construct; it's just introduced by the same keyword. requires (foo f)
would be the beginning of a valid requires
expression.
What you want is that if you use requires
in a place that accepts constraints, you should be able to make a "constraint+expression" out of the requires
clause.
So here's the question: if you put requires (foo)
into a place that is appropriate for a requires constraint... how far does the parser have to go before it can realize that this is a requires constraint rather than a constraint+expression the way you want it to be?
Consider this:
void bar() requires (foo)
{
//stuff
}
If foo
is a type, then (foo)
is a parameter list of a requires expression, and everything in the {}
is not the body of the function but the body of that requires
expression. Otherwise, foo
is an expression in a requires
clause.
Well, you could say that the compiler should just figure out what foo
is first. But C++ really doesn't like it when the basic act of parsing a sequence of tokens requires that the compiler figure out what those identifiers mean before it can make sense of the tokens. Yes, C++ is context-sensitive, so this does happen. But the committee prefers to avoid it where possible.
So yes, it's grammar.
2
Does it make sense to have a parameter list with a type but without a name?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
@Quentin: There are certainly cases of context-dependency in the C++ grammar. But the committee really does try to minimize that, and they definitely don't like adding more.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
3
@RobertAndrzejuk: Ifrequires
appears after a<>
set of template arguments or after a function parameter list, then it's a requires-clause. Ifrequires
appears where an expression is valid, then it is a requires-expression. This can be determined by the structure of the parse tree, not the contents of the parse tree (the specifics of how an identifier gets defined would be the contents of the tree).
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
5
@RobertAndrzejuk: Sure, the requires-expression could have used a different keyword. But keywords have huge costs in C++, as they have the potential to break any program that used the identifier that has become a keyword. The concepts proposal already introduced two keywords:concept
andrequires
. Introducing a third, when the second would be able to cover both cases with no grammatical issues and few user-facing problems, is just wasteful. After all, the only visual problem is that the keyword happens to be repeated twice.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
@RobertAndrzejuk it's bad practice anyway to inline constraints like that since you don't get subsumption as if you had written a concept. So taking an identifier for such a low use not recommended feature isn't a good idea.
– Rakete1111
2 days ago
|
show 5 more comments
It is because the grammar requires it. It does.
A requires
constraint does not have to use a requires
expression. It can use any more-or-less arbitrary boolean constant expression. Therefore, requires (foo)
must be a legitimate requires
constraint.
A requires
expression (that thing that tests whether certain things follow certain constraints) is a distinct construct; it's just introduced by the same keyword. requires (foo f)
would be the beginning of a valid requires
expression.
What you want is that if you use requires
in a place that accepts constraints, you should be able to make a "constraint+expression" out of the requires
clause.
So here's the question: if you put requires (foo)
into a place that is appropriate for a requires constraint... how far does the parser have to go before it can realize that this is a requires constraint rather than a constraint+expression the way you want it to be?
Consider this:
void bar() requires (foo)
{
//stuff
}
If foo
is a type, then (foo)
is a parameter list of a requires expression, and everything in the {}
is not the body of the function but the body of that requires
expression. Otherwise, foo
is an expression in a requires
clause.
Well, you could say that the compiler should just figure out what foo
is first. But C++ really doesn't like it when the basic act of parsing a sequence of tokens requires that the compiler figure out what those identifiers mean before it can make sense of the tokens. Yes, C++ is context-sensitive, so this does happen. But the committee prefers to avoid it where possible.
So yes, it's grammar.
It is because the grammar requires it. It does.
A requires
constraint does not have to use a requires
expression. It can use any more-or-less arbitrary boolean constant expression. Therefore, requires (foo)
must be a legitimate requires
constraint.
A requires
expression (that thing that tests whether certain things follow certain constraints) is a distinct construct; it's just introduced by the same keyword. requires (foo f)
would be the beginning of a valid requires
expression.
What you want is that if you use requires
in a place that accepts constraints, you should be able to make a "constraint+expression" out of the requires
clause.
So here's the question: if you put requires (foo)
into a place that is appropriate for a requires constraint... how far does the parser have to go before it can realize that this is a requires constraint rather than a constraint+expression the way you want it to be?
Consider this:
void bar() requires (foo)
{
//stuff
}
If foo
is a type, then (foo)
is a parameter list of a requires expression, and everything in the {}
is not the body of the function but the body of that requires
expression. Otherwise, foo
is an expression in a requires
clause.
Well, you could say that the compiler should just figure out what foo
is first. But C++ really doesn't like it when the basic act of parsing a sequence of tokens requires that the compiler figure out what those identifiers mean before it can make sense of the tokens. Yes, C++ is context-sensitive, so this does happen. But the committee prefers to avoid it where possible.
So yes, it's grammar.
edited 2 days ago
answered 2 days ago
Nicol BolasNicol Bolas
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Does it make sense to have a parameter list with a type but without a name?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
@Quentin: There are certainly cases of context-dependency in the C++ grammar. But the committee really does try to minimize that, and they definitely don't like adding more.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
3
@RobertAndrzejuk: Ifrequires
appears after a<>
set of template arguments or after a function parameter list, then it's a requires-clause. Ifrequires
appears where an expression is valid, then it is a requires-expression. This can be determined by the structure of the parse tree, not the contents of the parse tree (the specifics of how an identifier gets defined would be the contents of the tree).
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
5
@RobertAndrzejuk: Sure, the requires-expression could have used a different keyword. But keywords have huge costs in C++, as they have the potential to break any program that used the identifier that has become a keyword. The concepts proposal already introduced two keywords:concept
andrequires
. Introducing a third, when the second would be able to cover both cases with no grammatical issues and few user-facing problems, is just wasteful. After all, the only visual problem is that the keyword happens to be repeated twice.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
@RobertAndrzejuk it's bad practice anyway to inline constraints like that since you don't get subsumption as if you had written a concept. So taking an identifier for such a low use not recommended feature isn't a good idea.
– Rakete1111
2 days ago
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2
Does it make sense to have a parameter list with a type but without a name?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
@Quentin: There are certainly cases of context-dependency in the C++ grammar. But the committee really does try to minimize that, and they definitely don't like adding more.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
3
@RobertAndrzejuk: Ifrequires
appears after a<>
set of template arguments or after a function parameter list, then it's a requires-clause. Ifrequires
appears where an expression is valid, then it is a requires-expression. This can be determined by the structure of the parse tree, not the contents of the parse tree (the specifics of how an identifier gets defined would be the contents of the tree).
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
5
@RobertAndrzejuk: Sure, the requires-expression could have used a different keyword. But keywords have huge costs in C++, as they have the potential to break any program that used the identifier that has become a keyword. The concepts proposal already introduced two keywords:concept
andrequires
. Introducing a third, when the second would be able to cover both cases with no grammatical issues and few user-facing problems, is just wasteful. After all, the only visual problem is that the keyword happens to be repeated twice.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
@RobertAndrzejuk it's bad practice anyway to inline constraints like that since you don't get subsumption as if you had written a concept. So taking an identifier for such a low use not recommended feature isn't a good idea.
– Rakete1111
2 days ago
2
2
Does it make sense to have a parameter list with a type but without a name?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
Does it make sense to have a parameter list with a type but without a name?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
3
@Quentin: There are certainly cases of context-dependency in the C++ grammar. But the committee really does try to minimize that, and they definitely don't like adding more.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
@Quentin: There are certainly cases of context-dependency in the C++ grammar. But the committee really does try to minimize that, and they definitely don't like adding more.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
3
3
@RobertAndrzejuk: If
requires
appears after a <>
set of template arguments or after a function parameter list, then it's a requires-clause. If requires
appears where an expression is valid, then it is a requires-expression. This can be determined by the structure of the parse tree, not the contents of the parse tree (the specifics of how an identifier gets defined would be the contents of the tree).– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
@RobertAndrzejuk: If
requires
appears after a <>
set of template arguments or after a function parameter list, then it's a requires-clause. If requires
appears where an expression is valid, then it is a requires-expression. This can be determined by the structure of the parse tree, not the contents of the parse tree (the specifics of how an identifier gets defined would be the contents of the tree).– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
5
5
@RobertAndrzejuk: Sure, the requires-expression could have used a different keyword. But keywords have huge costs in C++, as they have the potential to break any program that used the identifier that has become a keyword. The concepts proposal already introduced two keywords:
concept
and requires
. Introducing a third, when the second would be able to cover both cases with no grammatical issues and few user-facing problems, is just wasteful. After all, the only visual problem is that the keyword happens to be repeated twice.– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
@RobertAndrzejuk: Sure, the requires-expression could have used a different keyword. But keywords have huge costs in C++, as they have the potential to break any program that used the identifier that has become a keyword. The concepts proposal already introduced two keywords:
concept
and requires
. Introducing a third, when the second would be able to cover both cases with no grammatical issues and few user-facing problems, is just wasteful. After all, the only visual problem is that the keyword happens to be repeated twice.– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
2
@RobertAndrzejuk it's bad practice anyway to inline constraints like that since you don't get subsumption as if you had written a concept. So taking an identifier for such a low use not recommended feature isn't a good idea.
– Rakete1111
2 days ago
@RobertAndrzejuk it's bad practice anyway to inline constraints like that since you don't get subsumption as if you had written a concept. So taking an identifier for such a low use not recommended feature isn't a good idea.
– Rakete1111
2 days ago
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The situation is exactly analogous to noexcept(noexcept(...))
. Sure, this sounds more like a bad thing than a good thing, but let me explain. :) We'll start with what you already know:
C++11 has "noexcept
-clauses" and "noexcept
-expressions." They do different things.
A
noexcept
-clause says, "This function should be noexcept when... (some condition)." It goes on a function declaration, takes a boolean parameter, and causes a behavioral change in the declared function.A
noexcept
-expression says, "Compiler, please tell me whether (some expression) is noexcept." It is itself a boolean expression. It has no "side effects" on the behavior of the program — it's just asking the compiler for the answer to a yes/no question. "Is this expression noexcept?"
We can nest a noexcept
-expression inside a noexcept
-clause, but we typically consider it bad style to do so.
template<class T>
void incr(T t) noexcept(noexcept(++t)); // NOT SO HOT
It's considered better style to encapsulate the noexcept
-expression in a type-trait.
template<class T> inline constexpr bool is_nothrow_incrable_v =
noexcept(++std::declval<T&>()); // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) noexcept(is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>); // BETTER, PART 2
The C++2a Working Draft has "requires
-clauses" and "requires
-expressions." They do different things.
A
requires
-clause says, "This function should participate in overload resolution when... (some condition)." It goes on a function declaration, takes a boolean parameter, and causes a behavioral change in the declared function.A
requires
-expression says, "Compiler, please tell me whether (some set of expressions) is well-formed." It is itself a boolean expression. It has no "side effects" on the behavior of the program — it's just asking the compiler for the answer to a yes/no question. "Is this expression well-formed?"
We can nest a requires
-expression inside a requires
-clause, but we typically consider it bad style to do so.
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires (requires(T t) { ++t; }); // NOT SO HOT
It's considered better style to encapsulate the requires
-expression in a type-trait...
template<class T> inline constexpr bool is_incrable_v =
requires(T t) { ++t; }; // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires is_incrable_v<T>; // BETTER, PART 2
...or in a (C++2a Working Draft) concept.
template<class T> concept Incrable =
requires(T t) { ++t; }; // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires Incrable<T>; // BETTER, PART 2
I don't really buy this argument.noexcept
has the problem thatnoexcept(f())
could mean either interpretf()
as a boolean that we're using to set the specification or check whether or notf()
isnoexcept
.requires
doesn't have this ambiguity because the expressions its checking for validity already have to be introduced with{}
s. After that, the argument is basically "the grammar says so."
– Barry
2 days ago
@Barry: See this comment. It appears the{}
are optional.
– Eric
yesterday
@Eric The{}
are not optional, that's not what that comment shows. However, that is a great comment demonstrating parsing ambiguity. Would probably accept that comment (with some explanation) as a standalone answer
– Barry
yesterday
1
requires is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>;
should berequires is_incrable_v<T>;
– Ruslan
yesterday
@Ruslan thanks! fixed.
– Quuxplusone
yesterday
add a comment |
The situation is exactly analogous to noexcept(noexcept(...))
. Sure, this sounds more like a bad thing than a good thing, but let me explain. :) We'll start with what you already know:
C++11 has "noexcept
-clauses" and "noexcept
-expressions." They do different things.
A
noexcept
-clause says, "This function should be noexcept when... (some condition)." It goes on a function declaration, takes a boolean parameter, and causes a behavioral change in the declared function.A
noexcept
-expression says, "Compiler, please tell me whether (some expression) is noexcept." It is itself a boolean expression. It has no "side effects" on the behavior of the program — it's just asking the compiler for the answer to a yes/no question. "Is this expression noexcept?"
We can nest a noexcept
-expression inside a noexcept
-clause, but we typically consider it bad style to do so.
template<class T>
void incr(T t) noexcept(noexcept(++t)); // NOT SO HOT
It's considered better style to encapsulate the noexcept
-expression in a type-trait.
template<class T> inline constexpr bool is_nothrow_incrable_v =
noexcept(++std::declval<T&>()); // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) noexcept(is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>); // BETTER, PART 2
The C++2a Working Draft has "requires
-clauses" and "requires
-expressions." They do different things.
A
requires
-clause says, "This function should participate in overload resolution when... (some condition)." It goes on a function declaration, takes a boolean parameter, and causes a behavioral change in the declared function.A
requires
-expression says, "Compiler, please tell me whether (some set of expressions) is well-formed." It is itself a boolean expression. It has no "side effects" on the behavior of the program — it's just asking the compiler for the answer to a yes/no question. "Is this expression well-formed?"
We can nest a requires
-expression inside a requires
-clause, but we typically consider it bad style to do so.
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires (requires(T t) { ++t; }); // NOT SO HOT
It's considered better style to encapsulate the requires
-expression in a type-trait...
template<class T> inline constexpr bool is_incrable_v =
requires(T t) { ++t; }; // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires is_incrable_v<T>; // BETTER, PART 2
...or in a (C++2a Working Draft) concept.
template<class T> concept Incrable =
requires(T t) { ++t; }; // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires Incrable<T>; // BETTER, PART 2
I don't really buy this argument.noexcept
has the problem thatnoexcept(f())
could mean either interpretf()
as a boolean that we're using to set the specification or check whether or notf()
isnoexcept
.requires
doesn't have this ambiguity because the expressions its checking for validity already have to be introduced with{}
s. After that, the argument is basically "the grammar says so."
– Barry
2 days ago
@Barry: See this comment. It appears the{}
are optional.
– Eric
yesterday
@Eric The{}
are not optional, that's not what that comment shows. However, that is a great comment demonstrating parsing ambiguity. Would probably accept that comment (with some explanation) as a standalone answer
– Barry
yesterday
1
requires is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>;
should berequires is_incrable_v<T>;
– Ruslan
yesterday
@Ruslan thanks! fixed.
– Quuxplusone
yesterday
add a comment |
The situation is exactly analogous to noexcept(noexcept(...))
. Sure, this sounds more like a bad thing than a good thing, but let me explain. :) We'll start with what you already know:
C++11 has "noexcept
-clauses" and "noexcept
-expressions." They do different things.
A
noexcept
-clause says, "This function should be noexcept when... (some condition)." It goes on a function declaration, takes a boolean parameter, and causes a behavioral change in the declared function.A
noexcept
-expression says, "Compiler, please tell me whether (some expression) is noexcept." It is itself a boolean expression. It has no "side effects" on the behavior of the program — it's just asking the compiler for the answer to a yes/no question. "Is this expression noexcept?"
We can nest a noexcept
-expression inside a noexcept
-clause, but we typically consider it bad style to do so.
template<class T>
void incr(T t) noexcept(noexcept(++t)); // NOT SO HOT
It's considered better style to encapsulate the noexcept
-expression in a type-trait.
template<class T> inline constexpr bool is_nothrow_incrable_v =
noexcept(++std::declval<T&>()); // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) noexcept(is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>); // BETTER, PART 2
The C++2a Working Draft has "requires
-clauses" and "requires
-expressions." They do different things.
A
requires
-clause says, "This function should participate in overload resolution when... (some condition)." It goes on a function declaration, takes a boolean parameter, and causes a behavioral change in the declared function.A
requires
-expression says, "Compiler, please tell me whether (some set of expressions) is well-formed." It is itself a boolean expression. It has no "side effects" on the behavior of the program — it's just asking the compiler for the answer to a yes/no question. "Is this expression well-formed?"
We can nest a requires
-expression inside a requires
-clause, but we typically consider it bad style to do so.
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires (requires(T t) { ++t; }); // NOT SO HOT
It's considered better style to encapsulate the requires
-expression in a type-trait...
template<class T> inline constexpr bool is_incrable_v =
requires(T t) { ++t; }; // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires is_incrable_v<T>; // BETTER, PART 2
...or in a (C++2a Working Draft) concept.
template<class T> concept Incrable =
requires(T t) { ++t; }; // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires Incrable<T>; // BETTER, PART 2
The situation is exactly analogous to noexcept(noexcept(...))
. Sure, this sounds more like a bad thing than a good thing, but let me explain. :) We'll start with what you already know:
C++11 has "noexcept
-clauses" and "noexcept
-expressions." They do different things.
A
noexcept
-clause says, "This function should be noexcept when... (some condition)." It goes on a function declaration, takes a boolean parameter, and causes a behavioral change in the declared function.A
noexcept
-expression says, "Compiler, please tell me whether (some expression) is noexcept." It is itself a boolean expression. It has no "side effects" on the behavior of the program — it's just asking the compiler for the answer to a yes/no question. "Is this expression noexcept?"
We can nest a noexcept
-expression inside a noexcept
-clause, but we typically consider it bad style to do so.
template<class T>
void incr(T t) noexcept(noexcept(++t)); // NOT SO HOT
It's considered better style to encapsulate the noexcept
-expression in a type-trait.
template<class T> inline constexpr bool is_nothrow_incrable_v =
noexcept(++std::declval<T&>()); // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) noexcept(is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>); // BETTER, PART 2
The C++2a Working Draft has "requires
-clauses" and "requires
-expressions." They do different things.
A
requires
-clause says, "This function should participate in overload resolution when... (some condition)." It goes on a function declaration, takes a boolean parameter, and causes a behavioral change in the declared function.A
requires
-expression says, "Compiler, please tell me whether (some set of expressions) is well-formed." It is itself a boolean expression. It has no "side effects" on the behavior of the program — it's just asking the compiler for the answer to a yes/no question. "Is this expression well-formed?"
We can nest a requires
-expression inside a requires
-clause, but we typically consider it bad style to do so.
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires (requires(T t) { ++t; }); // NOT SO HOT
It's considered better style to encapsulate the requires
-expression in a type-trait...
template<class T> inline constexpr bool is_incrable_v =
requires(T t) { ++t; }; // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires is_incrable_v<T>; // BETTER, PART 2
...or in a (C++2a Working Draft) concept.
template<class T> concept Incrable =
requires(T t) { ++t; }; // BETTER, PART 1
template<class T>
void incr(T t) requires Incrable<T>; // BETTER, PART 2
edited yesterday
answered 2 days ago
QuuxplusoneQuuxplusone
12k34495
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I don't really buy this argument.noexcept
has the problem thatnoexcept(f())
could mean either interpretf()
as a boolean that we're using to set the specification or check whether or notf()
isnoexcept
.requires
doesn't have this ambiguity because the expressions its checking for validity already have to be introduced with{}
s. After that, the argument is basically "the grammar says so."
– Barry
2 days ago
@Barry: See this comment. It appears the{}
are optional.
– Eric
yesterday
@Eric The{}
are not optional, that's not what that comment shows. However, that is a great comment demonstrating parsing ambiguity. Would probably accept that comment (with some explanation) as a standalone answer
– Barry
yesterday
1
requires is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>;
should berequires is_incrable_v<T>;
– Ruslan
yesterday
@Ruslan thanks! fixed.
– Quuxplusone
yesterday
add a comment |
I don't really buy this argument.noexcept
has the problem thatnoexcept(f())
could mean either interpretf()
as a boolean that we're using to set the specification or check whether or notf()
isnoexcept
.requires
doesn't have this ambiguity because the expressions its checking for validity already have to be introduced with{}
s. After that, the argument is basically "the grammar says so."
– Barry
2 days ago
@Barry: See this comment. It appears the{}
are optional.
– Eric
yesterday
@Eric The{}
are not optional, that's not what that comment shows. However, that is a great comment demonstrating parsing ambiguity. Would probably accept that comment (with some explanation) as a standalone answer
– Barry
yesterday
1
requires is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>;
should berequires is_incrable_v<T>;
– Ruslan
yesterday
@Ruslan thanks! fixed.
– Quuxplusone
yesterday
I don't really buy this argument.
noexcept
has the problem that noexcept(f())
could mean either interpret f()
as a boolean that we're using to set the specification or check whether or not f()
is noexcept
. requires
doesn't have this ambiguity because the expressions its checking for validity already have to be introduced with {}
s. After that, the argument is basically "the grammar says so."– Barry
2 days ago
I don't really buy this argument.
noexcept
has the problem that noexcept(f())
could mean either interpret f()
as a boolean that we're using to set the specification or check whether or not f()
is noexcept
. requires
doesn't have this ambiguity because the expressions its checking for validity already have to be introduced with {}
s. After that, the argument is basically "the grammar says so."– Barry
2 days ago
@Barry: See this comment. It appears the
{}
are optional.– Eric
yesterday
@Barry: See this comment. It appears the
{}
are optional.– Eric
yesterday
@Eric The
{}
are not optional, that's not what that comment shows. However, that is a great comment demonstrating parsing ambiguity. Would probably accept that comment (with some explanation) as a standalone answer– Barry
yesterday
@Eric The
{}
are not optional, that's not what that comment shows. However, that is a great comment demonstrating parsing ambiguity. Would probably accept that comment (with some explanation) as a standalone answer– Barry
yesterday
1
1
requires is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>;
should be requires is_incrable_v<T>;
– Ruslan
yesterday
requires is_nothrow_incrable_v<T>;
should be requires is_incrable_v<T>;
– Ruslan
yesterday
@Ruslan thanks! fixed.
– Quuxplusone
yesterday
@Ruslan thanks! fixed.
– Quuxplusone
yesterday
add a comment |
I think cppreference's concepts page explains this. I can explain with "math" so to say, why this must be like this:
If you want to define a concept, you do this:
template<typename T>
concept Addable = requires (T x) { x + x; }; // requires-expression
If you want to declare a function that uses that concept, you do this:
template<typename T> requires Addable<T> // requires-clause, not requires-expression
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
Now if you don't want to define the concept separately, I guess all you have to do is some substitution. Take this part requires (T x) { x + x; };
and replace the Addable<T>
part, and you'll get:
template<typename T> requires requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
which is what you're asking about.
4
I don't think is what the question is asking for. This is explaining the grammar, more or less.
– Passer By
2 days ago
But why can't you havetemplate<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
and require that require can be both the clause and the expression?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
2
@NathanOliver: Because you're forcing the compiler to interpret one construct as another. Arequires
-as-constraint clause does not have to be arequires
-expression. That's merely one possible use of it.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
@TheQuantumPhysicist What I was getting at with my comment is this answer just explains the syntax. Not what actual technical reason we have torequires requires
. They could have added something to the grammar to allowtemplate<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
but they didn't. Barry wants to know why they didn't
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
If we're really playing find-the-grammar-ambiguity here, OK, I'll bite. godbolt.org/z/i6n8kMtemplate<class T> void f(T) requires requires(T (x)) { (void)x; };
means something different if you remove one of therequires
es.
– Quuxplusone
2 days ago
|
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I think cppreference's concepts page explains this. I can explain with "math" so to say, why this must be like this:
If you want to define a concept, you do this:
template<typename T>
concept Addable = requires (T x) { x + x; }; // requires-expression
If you want to declare a function that uses that concept, you do this:
template<typename T> requires Addable<T> // requires-clause, not requires-expression
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
Now if you don't want to define the concept separately, I guess all you have to do is some substitution. Take this part requires (T x) { x + x; };
and replace the Addable<T>
part, and you'll get:
template<typename T> requires requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
which is what you're asking about.
4
I don't think is what the question is asking for. This is explaining the grammar, more or less.
– Passer By
2 days ago
But why can't you havetemplate<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
and require that require can be both the clause and the expression?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
2
@NathanOliver: Because you're forcing the compiler to interpret one construct as another. Arequires
-as-constraint clause does not have to be arequires
-expression. That's merely one possible use of it.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
@TheQuantumPhysicist What I was getting at with my comment is this answer just explains the syntax. Not what actual technical reason we have torequires requires
. They could have added something to the grammar to allowtemplate<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
but they didn't. Barry wants to know why they didn't
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
If we're really playing find-the-grammar-ambiguity here, OK, I'll bite. godbolt.org/z/i6n8kMtemplate<class T> void f(T) requires requires(T (x)) { (void)x; };
means something different if you remove one of therequires
es.
– Quuxplusone
2 days ago
|
show 3 more comments
I think cppreference's concepts page explains this. I can explain with "math" so to say, why this must be like this:
If you want to define a concept, you do this:
template<typename T>
concept Addable = requires (T x) { x + x; }; // requires-expression
If you want to declare a function that uses that concept, you do this:
template<typename T> requires Addable<T> // requires-clause, not requires-expression
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
Now if you don't want to define the concept separately, I guess all you have to do is some substitution. Take this part requires (T x) { x + x; };
and replace the Addable<T>
part, and you'll get:
template<typename T> requires requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
which is what you're asking about.
I think cppreference's concepts page explains this. I can explain with "math" so to say, why this must be like this:
If you want to define a concept, you do this:
template<typename T>
concept Addable = requires (T x) { x + x; }; // requires-expression
If you want to declare a function that uses that concept, you do this:
template<typename T> requires Addable<T> // requires-clause, not requires-expression
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
Now if you don't want to define the concept separately, I guess all you have to do is some substitution. Take this part requires (T x) { x + x; };
and replace the Addable<T>
part, and you'll get:
template<typename T> requires requires (T x) { x + x; }
T add(T a, T b) { return a + b; }
which is what you're asking about.
answered 2 days ago
The Quantum PhysicistThe Quantum Physicist
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I don't think is what the question is asking for. This is explaining the grammar, more or less.
– Passer By
2 days ago
But why can't you havetemplate<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
and require that require can be both the clause and the expression?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
2
@NathanOliver: Because you're forcing the compiler to interpret one construct as another. Arequires
-as-constraint clause does not have to be arequires
-expression. That's merely one possible use of it.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
@TheQuantumPhysicist What I was getting at with my comment is this answer just explains the syntax. Not what actual technical reason we have torequires requires
. They could have added something to the grammar to allowtemplate<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
but they didn't. Barry wants to know why they didn't
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
If we're really playing find-the-grammar-ambiguity here, OK, I'll bite. godbolt.org/z/i6n8kMtemplate<class T> void f(T) requires requires(T (x)) { (void)x; };
means something different if you remove one of therequires
es.
– Quuxplusone
2 days ago
|
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4
I don't think is what the question is asking for. This is explaining the grammar, more or less.
– Passer By
2 days ago
But why can't you havetemplate<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
and require that require can be both the clause and the expression?
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
2
@NathanOliver: Because you're forcing the compiler to interpret one construct as another. Arequires
-as-constraint clause does not have to be arequires
-expression. That's merely one possible use of it.
– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
@TheQuantumPhysicist What I was getting at with my comment is this answer just explains the syntax. Not what actual technical reason we have torequires requires
. They could have added something to the grammar to allowtemplate<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
but they didn't. Barry wants to know why they didn't
– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
If we're really playing find-the-grammar-ambiguity here, OK, I'll bite. godbolt.org/z/i6n8kMtemplate<class T> void f(T) requires requires(T (x)) { (void)x; };
means something different if you remove one of therequires
es.
– Quuxplusone
2 days ago
4
4
I don't think is what the question is asking for. This is explaining the grammar, more or less.
– Passer By
2 days ago
I don't think is what the question is asking for. This is explaining the grammar, more or less.
– Passer By
2 days ago
But why can't you have
template<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
and require that require can be both the clause and the expression?– NathanOliver
2 days ago
But why can't you have
template<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
and require that require can be both the clause and the expression?– NathanOliver
2 days ago
2
2
@NathanOliver: Because you're forcing the compiler to interpret one construct as another. A
requires
-as-constraint clause does not have to be a requires
-expression. That's merely one possible use of it.– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
@NathanOliver: Because you're forcing the compiler to interpret one construct as another. A
requires
-as-constraint clause does not have to be a requires
-expression. That's merely one possible use of it.– Nicol Bolas
2 days ago
2
2
@TheQuantumPhysicist What I was getting at with my comment is this answer just explains the syntax. Not what actual technical reason we have to
requires requires
. They could have added something to the grammar to allow template<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
but they didn't. Barry wants to know why they didn't– NathanOliver
2 days ago
@TheQuantumPhysicist What I was getting at with my comment is this answer just explains the syntax. Not what actual technical reason we have to
requires requires
. They could have added something to the grammar to allow template<typename T> requires (T x) { x + x; }
but they didn't. Barry wants to know why they didn't– NathanOliver
2 days ago
3
3
If we're really playing find-the-grammar-ambiguity here, OK, I'll bite. godbolt.org/z/i6n8kM
template<class T> void f(T) requires requires(T (x)) { (void)x; };
means something different if you remove one of the requires
es.– Quuxplusone
2 days ago
If we're really playing find-the-grammar-ambiguity here, OK, I'll bite. godbolt.org/z/i6n8kM
template<class T> void f(T) requires requires(T (x)) { (void)x; };
means something different if you remove one of the requires
es.– Quuxplusone
2 days ago
|
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I found a comment from Andrew Sutton (one of the Concepts authors, who implemented it in gcc) to be quite helpful in this regard, so I thought I'd just quote it here in its near-entirety:
Not so long ago requires-expressions (the phrase introduced by the second requires) was not allowed in constraint-expressions (the phrase introduced by the first requires). It could only appear in concept definitions. In fact, this is exactly what is proposed in the section of that paper where that claim appears.
However, in 2016, there was a proposal to relax that restriction [Editor's note: P0266]. Note the strikethrough of paragraph 4 in section 4 of the paper. And thus was born requires requires.
To tell the truth, I had never actually implemented that restriction in GCC, so it had always been possible. I think that Walter may have discovered that and found it useful, leading to that paper.
Lest anybody think that I wasn't sensitive to writing requires twice, I did spend some time trying to determine if that could be simplified. Short answer: no.
The problem is that there are two grammatical constructs that need to introduced after a template parameter list: very commonly a constraint expression (like
P && Q
) and occasionally syntactic requirements (likerequires (T a) { ... }
). That's called a requires-expression.
The first requires introduces the constraint. The second requires introduces the requires-expression. That's just the way the grammar composes. I don't find it confusing at all.
I tried, at one point, to collapse these to a single requires. Unfortunately, that leads to some seriously difficult parsing problems. You can't easily tell, for example if a
(
after the requires denotes a nested subexpression or a parameter-list. I don't believe that there is a perfect disambiguation of those syntaxes (see the rationale for uniform initialization syntax; this problem is there too).
So you make a choice: make requires introduce an expression (as it does now) or make it introduce a parameterized list of requirements.
I chose the current approach because most of the time (as in nearly 100% of the time), I want something other than a requires-expression. And in the exceedingly rare case I did want a requires-expression for ad hoc constraints, I really don't mind writing the word twice. It's a an obvious indicator that I haven't developed a sufficiently sound abstraction for the template. (Because if I had, it would have a name.)
I could have chosen to make the requires introduce a requires-expression. That's actually worse, because practically all of your constraints would start to look like this:
template<typename T>
requires { requires Eq<T>; }
void f(T a, T b);
Here, the 2nd requires is called a nested-requirement; it evaluates its expression (other code in the block of the requires-expression is not evaluated). I think this is way worse than the status quo. Now, you get to write requires twice everywhere.
I could also have used more keywords. This is a problem in its own right---and it's not just bike shedding. There might be a way to "redistribute" keywords to avoid the duplication, but I haven't given that serious thought. But that doesn't really change the essence of the problem.
add a comment |
I found a comment from Andrew Sutton (one of the Concepts authors, who implemented it in gcc) to be quite helpful in this regard, so I thought I'd just quote it here in its near-entirety:
Not so long ago requires-expressions (the phrase introduced by the second requires) was not allowed in constraint-expressions (the phrase introduced by the first requires). It could only appear in concept definitions. In fact, this is exactly what is proposed in the section of that paper where that claim appears.
However, in 2016, there was a proposal to relax that restriction [Editor's note: P0266]. Note the strikethrough of paragraph 4 in section 4 of the paper. And thus was born requires requires.
To tell the truth, I had never actually implemented that restriction in GCC, so it had always been possible. I think that Walter may have discovered that and found it useful, leading to that paper.
Lest anybody think that I wasn't sensitive to writing requires twice, I did spend some time trying to determine if that could be simplified. Short answer: no.
The problem is that there are two grammatical constructs that need to introduced after a template parameter list: very commonly a constraint expression (like
P && Q
) and occasionally syntactic requirements (likerequires (T a) { ... }
). That's called a requires-expression.
The first requires introduces the constraint. The second requires introduces the requires-expression. That's just the way the grammar composes. I don't find it confusing at all.
I tried, at one point, to collapse these to a single requires. Unfortunately, that leads to some seriously difficult parsing problems. You can't easily tell, for example if a
(
after the requires denotes a nested subexpression or a parameter-list. I don't believe that there is a perfect disambiguation of those syntaxes (see the rationale for uniform initialization syntax; this problem is there too).
So you make a choice: make requires introduce an expression (as it does now) or make it introduce a parameterized list of requirements.
I chose the current approach because most of the time (as in nearly 100% of the time), I want something other than a requires-expression. And in the exceedingly rare case I did want a requires-expression for ad hoc constraints, I really don't mind writing the word twice. It's a an obvious indicator that I haven't developed a sufficiently sound abstraction for the template. (Because if I had, it would have a name.)
I could have chosen to make the requires introduce a requires-expression. That's actually worse, because practically all of your constraints would start to look like this:
template<typename T>
requires { requires Eq<T>; }
void f(T a, T b);
Here, the 2nd requires is called a nested-requirement; it evaluates its expression (other code in the block of the requires-expression is not evaluated). I think this is way worse than the status quo. Now, you get to write requires twice everywhere.
I could also have used more keywords. This is a problem in its own right---and it's not just bike shedding. There might be a way to "redistribute" keywords to avoid the duplication, but I haven't given that serious thought. But that doesn't really change the essence of the problem.
add a comment |
I found a comment from Andrew Sutton (one of the Concepts authors, who implemented it in gcc) to be quite helpful in this regard, so I thought I'd just quote it here in its near-entirety:
Not so long ago requires-expressions (the phrase introduced by the second requires) was not allowed in constraint-expressions (the phrase introduced by the first requires). It could only appear in concept definitions. In fact, this is exactly what is proposed in the section of that paper where that claim appears.
However, in 2016, there was a proposal to relax that restriction [Editor's note: P0266]. Note the strikethrough of paragraph 4 in section 4 of the paper. And thus was born requires requires.
To tell the truth, I had never actually implemented that restriction in GCC, so it had always been possible. I think that Walter may have discovered that and found it useful, leading to that paper.
Lest anybody think that I wasn't sensitive to writing requires twice, I did spend some time trying to determine if that could be simplified. Short answer: no.
The problem is that there are two grammatical constructs that need to introduced after a template parameter list: very commonly a constraint expression (like
P && Q
) and occasionally syntactic requirements (likerequires (T a) { ... }
). That's called a requires-expression.
The first requires introduces the constraint. The second requires introduces the requires-expression. That's just the way the grammar composes. I don't find it confusing at all.
I tried, at one point, to collapse these to a single requires. Unfortunately, that leads to some seriously difficult parsing problems. You can't easily tell, for example if a
(
after the requires denotes a nested subexpression or a parameter-list. I don't believe that there is a perfect disambiguation of those syntaxes (see the rationale for uniform initialization syntax; this problem is there too).
So you make a choice: make requires introduce an expression (as it does now) or make it introduce a parameterized list of requirements.
I chose the current approach because most of the time (as in nearly 100% of the time), I want something other than a requires-expression. And in the exceedingly rare case I did want a requires-expression for ad hoc constraints, I really don't mind writing the word twice. It's a an obvious indicator that I haven't developed a sufficiently sound abstraction for the template. (Because if I had, it would have a name.)
I could have chosen to make the requires introduce a requires-expression. That's actually worse, because practically all of your constraints would start to look like this:
template<typename T>
requires { requires Eq<T>; }
void f(T a, T b);
Here, the 2nd requires is called a nested-requirement; it evaluates its expression (other code in the block of the requires-expression is not evaluated). I think this is way worse than the status quo. Now, you get to write requires twice everywhere.
I could also have used more keywords. This is a problem in its own right---and it's not just bike shedding. There might be a way to "redistribute" keywords to avoid the duplication, but I haven't given that serious thought. But that doesn't really change the essence of the problem.
I found a comment from Andrew Sutton (one of the Concepts authors, who implemented it in gcc) to be quite helpful in this regard, so I thought I'd just quote it here in its near-entirety:
Not so long ago requires-expressions (the phrase introduced by the second requires) was not allowed in constraint-expressions (the phrase introduced by the first requires). It could only appear in concept definitions. In fact, this is exactly what is proposed in the section of that paper where that claim appears.
However, in 2016, there was a proposal to relax that restriction [Editor's note: P0266]. Note the strikethrough of paragraph 4 in section 4 of the paper. And thus was born requires requires.
To tell the truth, I had never actually implemented that restriction in GCC, so it had always been possible. I think that Walter may have discovered that and found it useful, leading to that paper.
Lest anybody think that I wasn't sensitive to writing requires twice, I did spend some time trying to determine if that could be simplified. Short answer: no.
The problem is that there are two grammatical constructs that need to introduced after a template parameter list: very commonly a constraint expression (like
P && Q
) and occasionally syntactic requirements (likerequires (T a) { ... }
). That's called a requires-expression.
The first requires introduces the constraint. The second requires introduces the requires-expression. That's just the way the grammar composes. I don't find it confusing at all.
I tried, at one point, to collapse these to a single requires. Unfortunately, that leads to some seriously difficult parsing problems. You can't easily tell, for example if a
(
after the requires denotes a nested subexpression or a parameter-list. I don't believe that there is a perfect disambiguation of those syntaxes (see the rationale for uniform initialization syntax; this problem is there too).
So you make a choice: make requires introduce an expression (as it does now) or make it introduce a parameterized list of requirements.
I chose the current approach because most of the time (as in nearly 100% of the time), I want something other than a requires-expression. And in the exceedingly rare case I did want a requires-expression for ad hoc constraints, I really don't mind writing the word twice. It's a an obvious indicator that I haven't developed a sufficiently sound abstraction for the template. (Because if I had, it would have a name.)
I could have chosen to make the requires introduce a requires-expression. That's actually worse, because practically all of your constraints would start to look like this:
template<typename T>
requires { requires Eq<T>; }
void f(T a, T b);
Here, the 2nd requires is called a nested-requirement; it evaluates its expression (other code in the block of the requires-expression is not evaluated). I think this is way worse than the status quo. Now, you get to write requires twice everywhere.
I could also have used more keywords. This is a problem in its own right---and it's not just bike shedding. There might be a way to "redistribute" keywords to avoid the duplication, but I haven't given that serious thought. But that doesn't really change the essence of the problem.
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Because you are saying that a thing A has a requirement B, and the requirement B has a requirement C.
The thing A requires B which in turn requires C.
The "requires" clause itself requires something.
You have thing A (requiring B (requiring C)).
Meh. :)
3
But according to the other answers, the first and secondrequires
are not conceptually the same thing (one is a clause, one an expression). In fact, if I understand correctly, the two sets of()
inrequires (requires (T x) { x + x; })
have very different meanings (the outer being optional and always containing a boolean constexpr; the inner being a mandatory part of introducing a requires expression and not allowing actual expressions).
– Max Langhof
2 days ago
2
@MaxLanghof Are you saying that the requirements differ? :D
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
add a comment |
Because you are saying that a thing A has a requirement B, and the requirement B has a requirement C.
The thing A requires B which in turn requires C.
The "requires" clause itself requires something.
You have thing A (requiring B (requiring C)).
Meh. :)
3
But according to the other answers, the first and secondrequires
are not conceptually the same thing (one is a clause, one an expression). In fact, if I understand correctly, the two sets of()
inrequires (requires (T x) { x + x; })
have very different meanings (the outer being optional and always containing a boolean constexpr; the inner being a mandatory part of introducing a requires expression and not allowing actual expressions).
– Max Langhof
2 days ago
2
@MaxLanghof Are you saying that the requirements differ? :D
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
add a comment |
Because you are saying that a thing A has a requirement B, and the requirement B has a requirement C.
The thing A requires B which in turn requires C.
The "requires" clause itself requires something.
You have thing A (requiring B (requiring C)).
Meh. :)
Because you are saying that a thing A has a requirement B, and the requirement B has a requirement C.
The thing A requires B which in turn requires C.
The "requires" clause itself requires something.
You have thing A (requiring B (requiring C)).
Meh. :)
answered 2 days ago
Lightness Races in OrbitLightness Races in Orbit
287k51466788
287k51466788
3
But according to the other answers, the first and secondrequires
are not conceptually the same thing (one is a clause, one an expression). In fact, if I understand correctly, the two sets of()
inrequires (requires (T x) { x + x; })
have very different meanings (the outer being optional and always containing a boolean constexpr; the inner being a mandatory part of introducing a requires expression and not allowing actual expressions).
– Max Langhof
2 days ago
2
@MaxLanghof Are you saying that the requirements differ? :D
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
add a comment |
3
But according to the other answers, the first and secondrequires
are not conceptually the same thing (one is a clause, one an expression). In fact, if I understand correctly, the two sets of()
inrequires (requires (T x) { x + x; })
have very different meanings (the outer being optional and always containing a boolean constexpr; the inner being a mandatory part of introducing a requires expression and not allowing actual expressions).
– Max Langhof
2 days ago
2
@MaxLanghof Are you saying that the requirements differ? :D
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
3
3
But according to the other answers, the first and second
requires
are not conceptually the same thing (one is a clause, one an expression). In fact, if I understand correctly, the two sets of ()
in requires (requires (T x) { x + x; })
have very different meanings (the outer being optional and always containing a boolean constexpr; the inner being a mandatory part of introducing a requires expression and not allowing actual expressions).– Max Langhof
2 days ago
But according to the other answers, the first and second
requires
are not conceptually the same thing (one is a clause, one an expression). In fact, if I understand correctly, the two sets of ()
in requires (requires (T x) { x + x; })
have very different meanings (the outer being optional and always containing a boolean constexpr; the inner being a mandatory part of introducing a requires expression and not allowing actual expressions).– Max Langhof
2 days ago
2
2
@MaxLanghof Are you saying that the requirements differ? :D
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
@MaxLanghof Are you saying that the requirements differ? :D
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
add a comment |
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Suggestion: "Is there anything that requires requires requires?". More seriously, I have a hunch that it's the same reason behind
noexcept(noexcept(...))
.– Quentin
2 days ago
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The two
requires
are homonyms in my opinion: they look the same, spell the same, smell the same, but are intrinsically different. If I were to suggest a fix, I'd suggest to rename one of them.– YSC
2 days ago
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@YSC -
co_requires
? (Sorry, couldn't resist).– StoryTeller
2 days ago
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Where will the madness stop? Next thing you know, we'll have
long long
.– Eljay
2 days ago
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@StoryTeller: "Requires requires required?" would have been even more alliterative!!
– P.W
2 days ago