Has Trump's administration ever explained why they didn't “build the wall” before the midterms?
Title pretty much says it all. The Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate before the midterms, so why didn't they push through funding for the wall then? The Republicans had two years to do this, and the Democrats would've had a harder time opposing the bill. Why now?
Did Trump, his administration's officials, or any prominent Republican ever explain why haven't they allocated the financing of "the wall" in the Federal Budget 2018?
The only explanation I can think of is that Republicans were very confident they'd win the midterms, but that doesn't seem to match the media coverage I saw.
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Title pretty much says it all. The Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate before the midterms, so why didn't they push through funding for the wall then? The Republicans had two years to do this, and the Democrats would've had a harder time opposing the bill. Why now?
Did Trump, his administration's officials, or any prominent Republican ever explain why haven't they allocated the financing of "the wall" in the Federal Budget 2018?
The only explanation I can think of is that Republicans were very confident they'd win the midterms, but that doesn't seem to match the media coverage I saw.
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Questions about internal motivation are offtopic here, because they can only result in speculation. In fact, we simply don't know why. You could ask instead, if maybe Trump and Republican lawmakers in Congress said something about why they didn't allocate that much money for border security in 2017. Maybe they commented on it then.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
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I think it's super worth noting that the Senate Republicans never had the 60 votes required to pass the bill in the senate, so even though it was "GOP controlled", it would still have this passing issue
– Brian Leishman
2 days ago
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Because if you cannot give evidence that a majority of senators wanted a wall and were capable of getting a bill through the house and senate, then your question is basically "why did something that hardly anyone wanted and they couldn't get done even if they wanted it not get done?" The question answers itself when you phrase it like that. Stuff people do not want that they cannot do anyway is stuff that doesn't get done!
– Eric Lippert
23 hours ago
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@Allure: 100% of republican senators voted for a spending bill with no funding for the wall. Is that evidence for, or against, the proposition that republican senators want a wall? But regardless, I'm not the one asking a "why not?" question here. The onus is on the person asking the "why not?" question to explain why it is that a counterfactual should require an explanation. There are an infinite number of ways that the world is not; we can't provide a justification for all of them.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
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Another way to look at it is: evidence that republican senators want a wall would include their being willing to bargain for democratic senators' votes by agreeing to fund something equally important to democrats. The problem isn't coming up with the money. The problem is coming up with something to give democrats in exchange for their agreement. If you want me to give you a cookie, and you're willing to give me absolutely nothing that I want in exchange, then that sounds like evidence that you don't really want my cookie.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
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Title pretty much says it all. The Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate before the midterms, so why didn't they push through funding for the wall then? The Republicans had two years to do this, and the Democrats would've had a harder time opposing the bill. Why now?
Did Trump, his administration's officials, or any prominent Republican ever explain why haven't they allocated the financing of "the wall" in the Federal Budget 2018?
The only explanation I can think of is that Republicans were very confident they'd win the midterms, but that doesn't seem to match the media coverage I saw.
united-states trump-wall
Title pretty much says it all. The Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate before the midterms, so why didn't they push through funding for the wall then? The Republicans had two years to do this, and the Democrats would've had a harder time opposing the bill. Why now?
Did Trump, his administration's officials, or any prominent Republican ever explain why haven't they allocated the financing of "the wall" in the Federal Budget 2018?
The only explanation I can think of is that Republicans were very confident they'd win the midterms, but that doesn't seem to match the media coverage I saw.
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Questions about internal motivation are offtopic here, because they can only result in speculation. In fact, we simply don't know why. You could ask instead, if maybe Trump and Republican lawmakers in Congress said something about why they didn't allocate that much money for border security in 2017. Maybe they commented on it then.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
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I think it's super worth noting that the Senate Republicans never had the 60 votes required to pass the bill in the senate, so even though it was "GOP controlled", it would still have this passing issue
– Brian Leishman
2 days ago
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Because if you cannot give evidence that a majority of senators wanted a wall and were capable of getting a bill through the house and senate, then your question is basically "why did something that hardly anyone wanted and they couldn't get done even if they wanted it not get done?" The question answers itself when you phrase it like that. Stuff people do not want that they cannot do anyway is stuff that doesn't get done!
– Eric Lippert
23 hours ago
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@Allure: 100% of republican senators voted for a spending bill with no funding for the wall. Is that evidence for, or against, the proposition that republican senators want a wall? But regardless, I'm not the one asking a "why not?" question here. The onus is on the person asking the "why not?" question to explain why it is that a counterfactual should require an explanation. There are an infinite number of ways that the world is not; we can't provide a justification for all of them.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
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Another way to look at it is: evidence that republican senators want a wall would include their being willing to bargain for democratic senators' votes by agreeing to fund something equally important to democrats. The problem isn't coming up with the money. The problem is coming up with something to give democrats in exchange for their agreement. If you want me to give you a cookie, and you're willing to give me absolutely nothing that I want in exchange, then that sounds like evidence that you don't really want my cookie.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
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Questions about internal motivation are offtopic here, because they can only result in speculation. In fact, we simply don't know why. You could ask instead, if maybe Trump and Republican lawmakers in Congress said something about why they didn't allocate that much money for border security in 2017. Maybe they commented on it then.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
1
I think it's super worth noting that the Senate Republicans never had the 60 votes required to pass the bill in the senate, so even though it was "GOP controlled", it would still have this passing issue
– Brian Leishman
2 days ago
1
Because if you cannot give evidence that a majority of senators wanted a wall and were capable of getting a bill through the house and senate, then your question is basically "why did something that hardly anyone wanted and they couldn't get done even if they wanted it not get done?" The question answers itself when you phrase it like that. Stuff people do not want that they cannot do anyway is stuff that doesn't get done!
– Eric Lippert
23 hours ago
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@Allure: 100% of republican senators voted for a spending bill with no funding for the wall. Is that evidence for, or against, the proposition that republican senators want a wall? But regardless, I'm not the one asking a "why not?" question here. The onus is on the person asking the "why not?" question to explain why it is that a counterfactual should require an explanation. There are an infinite number of ways that the world is not; we can't provide a justification for all of them.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
1
Another way to look at it is: evidence that republican senators want a wall would include their being willing to bargain for democratic senators' votes by agreeing to fund something equally important to democrats. The problem isn't coming up with the money. The problem is coming up with something to give democrats in exchange for their agreement. If you want me to give you a cookie, and you're willing to give me absolutely nothing that I want in exchange, then that sounds like evidence that you don't really want my cookie.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
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Questions about internal motivation are offtopic here, because they can only result in speculation. In fact, we simply don't know why. You could ask instead, if maybe Trump and Republican lawmakers in Congress said something about why they didn't allocate that much money for border security in 2017. Maybe they commented on it then.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
Questions about internal motivation are offtopic here, because they can only result in speculation. In fact, we simply don't know why. You could ask instead, if maybe Trump and Republican lawmakers in Congress said something about why they didn't allocate that much money for border security in 2017. Maybe they commented on it then.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
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I think it's super worth noting that the Senate Republicans never had the 60 votes required to pass the bill in the senate, so even though it was "GOP controlled", it would still have this passing issue
– Brian Leishman
2 days ago
I think it's super worth noting that the Senate Republicans never had the 60 votes required to pass the bill in the senate, so even though it was "GOP controlled", it would still have this passing issue
– Brian Leishman
2 days ago
1
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Because if you cannot give evidence that a majority of senators wanted a wall and were capable of getting a bill through the house and senate, then your question is basically "why did something that hardly anyone wanted and they couldn't get done even if they wanted it not get done?" The question answers itself when you phrase it like that. Stuff people do not want that they cannot do anyway is stuff that doesn't get done!
– Eric Lippert
23 hours ago
Because if you cannot give evidence that a majority of senators wanted a wall and were capable of getting a bill through the house and senate, then your question is basically "why did something that hardly anyone wanted and they couldn't get done even if they wanted it not get done?" The question answers itself when you phrase it like that. Stuff people do not want that they cannot do anyway is stuff that doesn't get done!
– Eric Lippert
23 hours ago
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@Allure: 100% of republican senators voted for a spending bill with no funding for the wall. Is that evidence for, or against, the proposition that republican senators want a wall? But regardless, I'm not the one asking a "why not?" question here. The onus is on the person asking the "why not?" question to explain why it is that a counterfactual should require an explanation. There are an infinite number of ways that the world is not; we can't provide a justification for all of them.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
@Allure: 100% of republican senators voted for a spending bill with no funding for the wall. Is that evidence for, or against, the proposition that republican senators want a wall? But regardless, I'm not the one asking a "why not?" question here. The onus is on the person asking the "why not?" question to explain why it is that a counterfactual should require an explanation. There are an infinite number of ways that the world is not; we can't provide a justification for all of them.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
1
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Another way to look at it is: evidence that republican senators want a wall would include their being willing to bargain for democratic senators' votes by agreeing to fund something equally important to democrats. The problem isn't coming up with the money. The problem is coming up with something to give democrats in exchange for their agreement. If you want me to give you a cookie, and you're willing to give me absolutely nothing that I want in exchange, then that sounds like evidence that you don't really want my cookie.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
Another way to look at it is: evidence that republican senators want a wall would include their being willing to bargain for democratic senators' votes by agreeing to fund something equally important to democrats. The problem isn't coming up with the money. The problem is coming up with something to give democrats in exchange for their agreement. If you want me to give you a cookie, and you're willing to give me absolutely nothing that I want in exchange, then that sounds like evidence that you don't really want my cookie.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
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Congress did provide funding for border barriers in each of FY 2017
In FY 2017 Congress provided DHS $292 million to build 40 miles of a
steel bollard wall
and FY 2018
In FY18, Congress provided $1.375B for border wall construction which
equates to approximately 84 miles of border wall in multiple locations
across the Southwest border
Currently at issue is $5B funding for FY 2019
if funded at $5B in FY 2019 ... DHS is positioned to construct 215 miles of Border Patrol’s highest priority border wall miles
which would be for 215 miles of additional border barrier, for a total of 330 miles of border barrier - including FY 2017, FY 2018 and FY 2019.
Primary source: Walls Work
See also Is there any better estimate of the cost of a completed US-Mexico border wall?
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That doesn't really answer the question. These small bills are nowhere near what Trump proposed.
– JJJ
2 days ago
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@JJJ: Trump proposed that the wall would require no funding from Congress whatsoever because "Mexico will pay for it".
– Eric Lippert
2 days ago
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@JJJ Mexico came out and said they weren't paying for it rather quickly and have not deviated from that stance at any point.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
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@JJJ It is true. Trump has said many times that he would make Mexico pay for the wall. Exactly how he would make them pay for it has changed somewhat erratically over the past few years, though.
– Abion47
2 days ago
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@guest271314 Well, the 2016 RNC Platform seems to state that pretty clearly: "we support building a wall along our southern border and protecting all ports of entry. The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border and must be sufficient to stop both vehicular and pedestrian traffic." source: scribd.com/document/318660213/RNC-Platform#from_embed
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Mostly because the Republicans hammered out a pretty hefty budget deal in early 2018
On Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer announced a deal on budget caps that would increase investments in domestic programs and the military by roughly $300 billion over the next two years: The deal lifts funding for domestic programs by $128 billion and hikes defense budgets by $160 billion.
Remember that the last shutdown was caused by Democrats stonewalling over DACA
The bill does not address the fate of young immigrants who were brought to the country illegally as children and have been shielded from deportation by an Obama-era program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, that Mr. Trump moved last year to end.
Republicans likely did not want to reopen the DACA issue in an election year, nor did they want to irk more Conservative members of their own party by spending even more on top of the massive deficit the budget created
That additional spending comes at the expense of adding even further to the national debt, which has topped $21 trillion. The growing debt has seemed of minimal concern on Capitol Hill in recent months, where Republicans passed a sweeping tax overhaul late last year that will also result in piling up more debt.
To some frustrated lawmakers, the heft of the spending bill was the very problem.
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There is a lot of speculation about Republicans intentions in this answer. Please note that the question now asks for official statements.
– Trilarion
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For funding bills, it takes 60 votes to pass in the Senate. Before the mid-terms, Republicans only had 51 votes (with some defectors, like Flake and Corker). They have 53 votes now but still need 7 votes from Democrats.
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I wonder what happens if you do not have the 60 votes ever. Complete breakdown?
– Trilarion
2 days ago
@Trilarion Then your bill doesn't get passed. If at least 41 Senators are unwilling to pass something even as part of a compromise for something else, then that thing doesn't get passed. This is why Democrats it was so hard for Democrats to pass ARRA and PPACA bacn in Obama's first couple of years, even with a Senate majority much larger than that held by the GOP in Trump's first two years.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@Trilarion If 41 Senators were completely stonewalling everything and preventing anything from passing for an extended period, then the so-called "Nuclear option" might be employed to abolish the filibuster. But, as Harry Reid found out the hard way, that's a decision that you can come to regret very soon once the other party gains a majority.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@PilotGal I'm not so sure that "the right way" is creating the longest shutdown in US history, but your mileage may vary.
– Michael W.
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@MichaelW. - By "the right way", I meant as defined in the US Constitution. But, I understand your point.
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The short answer is no.
First, there is already about 700 miles of border wall. Trump's "wall" is a political tool to rally his base and nothing more, as proven by the fact that the GOP controlled congress, since Obama was in office, has chosen to do nothing to reform our immigration system, including punishing employers who hire undocumented workers. There is also the fact that no crisis exists, thus making dealing with immigration reform less urgent. Read Key findings about U.S. immigrants for some information about our immigration situation to see why "the wall" is unnecessary.
Trump is theater and the wall is part of that theater.
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Links tend to go dead over time and it's also not clear how you're reaching your conclusion from the source you cite, so it would be best to quote the relevant parts and describe why it supports your position. The linked article is discussing immigration as a whole, not just unlawful immigration, but does mention that there are were more than 300,000 unlawful immigrants captured at the U.S.-Mexico border in 2017 (and, of course, that's not counting the ones who actually make it through without being caught.)
– reirab
2 days ago
The salient point is that the Trump administration hasn't explained why "the wall" wasn't built prior to the shut down even though the GOP had total control of the federal government since Trump's inauguration. More than likely the reasons are two: a) we already have about 700 miles of border fence/wall and (b) there really is no crisis now, January, 2019, including from those undocumented aliens living here now.
– Jeff
yesterday
There is exactly one reason: they didn't have the votes in the Senate. The House did pass a bill including funding for "the wall," which then immediately died in the Senate, due to Republicans having only 51 votes. 60 are required to invoke cloture and vote on the bill. While Reid did (stupidly) employ the so-called "nuclear option" to remove the filibuster rule for nominee confirmations (a move Democrats have since deeply regretted,) the rule remains in place for normal votes on bills.
– reirab
yesterday
True, but they never explained that, which would have required them to explain why they, the GOP and Trump, didn't work with the Democrats to actually solve the immigration problem, which would have included providing a path to citizenship for the Dreamers and the use of drones and sensors instead of a physical barrier. IMO, they calculated that they had more to gain politically with their base from concealing their refusal to work with the Democrats, a la Newt Gingrich.
– Jeff
12 hours ago
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Congress did provide funding for border barriers in each of FY 2017
In FY 2017 Congress provided DHS $292 million to build 40 miles of a
steel bollard wall
and FY 2018
In FY18, Congress provided $1.375B for border wall construction which
equates to approximately 84 miles of border wall in multiple locations
across the Southwest border
Currently at issue is $5B funding for FY 2019
if funded at $5B in FY 2019 ... DHS is positioned to construct 215 miles of Border Patrol’s highest priority border wall miles
which would be for 215 miles of additional border barrier, for a total of 330 miles of border barrier - including FY 2017, FY 2018 and FY 2019.
Primary source: Walls Work
See also Is there any better estimate of the cost of a completed US-Mexico border wall?
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That doesn't really answer the question. These small bills are nowhere near what Trump proposed.
– JJJ
2 days ago
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@JJJ: Trump proposed that the wall would require no funding from Congress whatsoever because "Mexico will pay for it".
– Eric Lippert
2 days ago
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@JJJ Mexico came out and said they weren't paying for it rather quickly and have not deviated from that stance at any point.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
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@JJJ It is true. Trump has said many times that he would make Mexico pay for the wall. Exactly how he would make them pay for it has changed somewhat erratically over the past few years, though.
– Abion47
2 days ago
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@guest271314 Well, the 2016 RNC Platform seems to state that pretty clearly: "we support building a wall along our southern border and protecting all ports of entry. The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border and must be sufficient to stop both vehicular and pedestrian traffic." source: scribd.com/document/318660213/RNC-Platform#from_embed
– probably_someone
2 days ago
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Congress did provide funding for border barriers in each of FY 2017
In FY 2017 Congress provided DHS $292 million to build 40 miles of a
steel bollard wall
and FY 2018
In FY18, Congress provided $1.375B for border wall construction which
equates to approximately 84 miles of border wall in multiple locations
across the Southwest border
Currently at issue is $5B funding for FY 2019
if funded at $5B in FY 2019 ... DHS is positioned to construct 215 miles of Border Patrol’s highest priority border wall miles
which would be for 215 miles of additional border barrier, for a total of 330 miles of border barrier - including FY 2017, FY 2018 and FY 2019.
Primary source: Walls Work
See also Is there any better estimate of the cost of a completed US-Mexico border wall?
14
That doesn't really answer the question. These small bills are nowhere near what Trump proposed.
– JJJ
2 days ago
41
@JJJ: Trump proposed that the wall would require no funding from Congress whatsoever because "Mexico will pay for it".
– Eric Lippert
2 days ago
15
@JJJ Mexico came out and said they weren't paying for it rather quickly and have not deviated from that stance at any point.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
12
@JJJ It is true. Trump has said many times that he would make Mexico pay for the wall. Exactly how he would make them pay for it has changed somewhat erratically over the past few years, though.
– Abion47
2 days ago
8
@guest271314 Well, the 2016 RNC Platform seems to state that pretty clearly: "we support building a wall along our southern border and protecting all ports of entry. The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border and must be sufficient to stop both vehicular and pedestrian traffic." source: scribd.com/document/318660213/RNC-Platform#from_embed
– probably_someone
2 days ago
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Congress did provide funding for border barriers in each of FY 2017
In FY 2017 Congress provided DHS $292 million to build 40 miles of a
steel bollard wall
and FY 2018
In FY18, Congress provided $1.375B for border wall construction which
equates to approximately 84 miles of border wall in multiple locations
across the Southwest border
Currently at issue is $5B funding for FY 2019
if funded at $5B in FY 2019 ... DHS is positioned to construct 215 miles of Border Patrol’s highest priority border wall miles
which would be for 215 miles of additional border barrier, for a total of 330 miles of border barrier - including FY 2017, FY 2018 and FY 2019.
Primary source: Walls Work
See also Is there any better estimate of the cost of a completed US-Mexico border wall?
Congress did provide funding for border barriers in each of FY 2017
In FY 2017 Congress provided DHS $292 million to build 40 miles of a
steel bollard wall
and FY 2018
In FY18, Congress provided $1.375B for border wall construction which
equates to approximately 84 miles of border wall in multiple locations
across the Southwest border
Currently at issue is $5B funding for FY 2019
if funded at $5B in FY 2019 ... DHS is positioned to construct 215 miles of Border Patrol’s highest priority border wall miles
which would be for 215 miles of additional border barrier, for a total of 330 miles of border barrier - including FY 2017, FY 2018 and FY 2019.
Primary source: Walls Work
See also Is there any better estimate of the cost of a completed US-Mexico border wall?
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That doesn't really answer the question. These small bills are nowhere near what Trump proposed.
– JJJ
2 days ago
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@JJJ: Trump proposed that the wall would require no funding from Congress whatsoever because "Mexico will pay for it".
– Eric Lippert
2 days ago
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@JJJ Mexico came out and said they weren't paying for it rather quickly and have not deviated from that stance at any point.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
12
@JJJ It is true. Trump has said many times that he would make Mexico pay for the wall. Exactly how he would make them pay for it has changed somewhat erratically over the past few years, though.
– Abion47
2 days ago
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@guest271314 Well, the 2016 RNC Platform seems to state that pretty clearly: "we support building a wall along our southern border and protecting all ports of entry. The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border and must be sufficient to stop both vehicular and pedestrian traffic." source: scribd.com/document/318660213/RNC-Platform#from_embed
– probably_someone
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That doesn't really answer the question. These small bills are nowhere near what Trump proposed.
– JJJ
2 days ago
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@JJJ: Trump proposed that the wall would require no funding from Congress whatsoever because "Mexico will pay for it".
– Eric Lippert
2 days ago
15
@JJJ Mexico came out and said they weren't paying for it rather quickly and have not deviated from that stance at any point.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
12
@JJJ It is true. Trump has said many times that he would make Mexico pay for the wall. Exactly how he would make them pay for it has changed somewhat erratically over the past few years, though.
– Abion47
2 days ago
8
@guest271314 Well, the 2016 RNC Platform seems to state that pretty clearly: "we support building a wall along our southern border and protecting all ports of entry. The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border and must be sufficient to stop both vehicular and pedestrian traffic." source: scribd.com/document/318660213/RNC-Platform#from_embed
– probably_someone
2 days ago
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That doesn't really answer the question. These small bills are nowhere near what Trump proposed.
– JJJ
2 days ago
That doesn't really answer the question. These small bills are nowhere near what Trump proposed.
– JJJ
2 days ago
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@JJJ: Trump proposed that the wall would require no funding from Congress whatsoever because "Mexico will pay for it".
– Eric Lippert
2 days ago
@JJJ: Trump proposed that the wall would require no funding from Congress whatsoever because "Mexico will pay for it".
– Eric Lippert
2 days ago
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@JJJ Mexico came out and said they weren't paying for it rather quickly and have not deviated from that stance at any point.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
@JJJ Mexico came out and said they weren't paying for it rather quickly and have not deviated from that stance at any point.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
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@JJJ It is true. Trump has said many times that he would make Mexico pay for the wall. Exactly how he would make them pay for it has changed somewhat erratically over the past few years, though.
– Abion47
2 days ago
@JJJ It is true. Trump has said many times that he would make Mexico pay for the wall. Exactly how he would make them pay for it has changed somewhat erratically over the past few years, though.
– Abion47
2 days ago
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@guest271314 Well, the 2016 RNC Platform seems to state that pretty clearly: "we support building a wall along our southern border and protecting all ports of entry. The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border and must be sufficient to stop both vehicular and pedestrian traffic." source: scribd.com/document/318660213/RNC-Platform#from_embed
– probably_someone
2 days ago
@guest271314 Well, the 2016 RNC Platform seems to state that pretty clearly: "we support building a wall along our southern border and protecting all ports of entry. The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border and must be sufficient to stop both vehicular and pedestrian traffic." source: scribd.com/document/318660213/RNC-Platform#from_embed
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Mostly because the Republicans hammered out a pretty hefty budget deal in early 2018
On Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer announced a deal on budget caps that would increase investments in domestic programs and the military by roughly $300 billion over the next two years: The deal lifts funding for domestic programs by $128 billion and hikes defense budgets by $160 billion.
Remember that the last shutdown was caused by Democrats stonewalling over DACA
The bill does not address the fate of young immigrants who were brought to the country illegally as children and have been shielded from deportation by an Obama-era program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, that Mr. Trump moved last year to end.
Republicans likely did not want to reopen the DACA issue in an election year, nor did they want to irk more Conservative members of their own party by spending even more on top of the massive deficit the budget created
That additional spending comes at the expense of adding even further to the national debt, which has topped $21 trillion. The growing debt has seemed of minimal concern on Capitol Hill in recent months, where Republicans passed a sweeping tax overhaul late last year that will also result in piling up more debt.
To some frustrated lawmakers, the heft of the spending bill was the very problem.
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There is a lot of speculation about Republicans intentions in this answer. Please note that the question now asks for official statements.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
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Mostly because the Republicans hammered out a pretty hefty budget deal in early 2018
On Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer announced a deal on budget caps that would increase investments in domestic programs and the military by roughly $300 billion over the next two years: The deal lifts funding for domestic programs by $128 billion and hikes defense budgets by $160 billion.
Remember that the last shutdown was caused by Democrats stonewalling over DACA
The bill does not address the fate of young immigrants who were brought to the country illegally as children and have been shielded from deportation by an Obama-era program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, that Mr. Trump moved last year to end.
Republicans likely did not want to reopen the DACA issue in an election year, nor did they want to irk more Conservative members of their own party by spending even more on top of the massive deficit the budget created
That additional spending comes at the expense of adding even further to the national debt, which has topped $21 trillion. The growing debt has seemed of minimal concern on Capitol Hill in recent months, where Republicans passed a sweeping tax overhaul late last year that will also result in piling up more debt.
To some frustrated lawmakers, the heft of the spending bill was the very problem.
4
There is a lot of speculation about Republicans intentions in this answer. Please note that the question now asks for official statements.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
add a comment |
Mostly because the Republicans hammered out a pretty hefty budget deal in early 2018
On Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer announced a deal on budget caps that would increase investments in domestic programs and the military by roughly $300 billion over the next two years: The deal lifts funding for domestic programs by $128 billion and hikes defense budgets by $160 billion.
Remember that the last shutdown was caused by Democrats stonewalling over DACA
The bill does not address the fate of young immigrants who were brought to the country illegally as children and have been shielded from deportation by an Obama-era program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, that Mr. Trump moved last year to end.
Republicans likely did not want to reopen the DACA issue in an election year, nor did they want to irk more Conservative members of their own party by spending even more on top of the massive deficit the budget created
That additional spending comes at the expense of adding even further to the national debt, which has topped $21 trillion. The growing debt has seemed of minimal concern on Capitol Hill in recent months, where Republicans passed a sweeping tax overhaul late last year that will also result in piling up more debt.
To some frustrated lawmakers, the heft of the spending bill was the very problem.
Mostly because the Republicans hammered out a pretty hefty budget deal in early 2018
On Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer announced a deal on budget caps that would increase investments in domestic programs and the military by roughly $300 billion over the next two years: The deal lifts funding for domestic programs by $128 billion and hikes defense budgets by $160 billion.
Remember that the last shutdown was caused by Democrats stonewalling over DACA
The bill does not address the fate of young immigrants who were brought to the country illegally as children and have been shielded from deportation by an Obama-era program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, that Mr. Trump moved last year to end.
Republicans likely did not want to reopen the DACA issue in an election year, nor did they want to irk more Conservative members of their own party by spending even more on top of the massive deficit the budget created
That additional spending comes at the expense of adding even further to the national debt, which has topped $21 trillion. The growing debt has seemed of minimal concern on Capitol Hill in recent months, where Republicans passed a sweeping tax overhaul late last year that will also result in piling up more debt.
To some frustrated lawmakers, the heft of the spending bill was the very problem.
answered 2 days ago
MachavityMachavity
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There is a lot of speculation about Republicans intentions in this answer. Please note that the question now asks for official statements.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
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4
There is a lot of speculation about Republicans intentions in this answer. Please note that the question now asks for official statements.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
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There is a lot of speculation about Republicans intentions in this answer. Please note that the question now asks for official statements.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
There is a lot of speculation about Republicans intentions in this answer. Please note that the question now asks for official statements.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
add a comment |
For funding bills, it takes 60 votes to pass in the Senate. Before the mid-terms, Republicans only had 51 votes (with some defectors, like Flake and Corker). They have 53 votes now but still need 7 votes from Democrats.
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I wonder what happens if you do not have the 60 votes ever. Complete breakdown?
– Trilarion
2 days ago
@Trilarion Then your bill doesn't get passed. If at least 41 Senators are unwilling to pass something even as part of a compromise for something else, then that thing doesn't get passed. This is why Democrats it was so hard for Democrats to pass ARRA and PPACA bacn in Obama's first couple of years, even with a Senate majority much larger than that held by the GOP in Trump's first two years.
– reirab
2 days ago
5
@Trilarion If 41 Senators were completely stonewalling everything and preventing anything from passing for an extended period, then the so-called "Nuclear option" might be employed to abolish the filibuster. But, as Harry Reid found out the hard way, that's a decision that you can come to regret very soon once the other party gains a majority.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@PilotGal I'm not so sure that "the right way" is creating the longest shutdown in US history, but your mileage may vary.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
2
@MichaelW. - By "the right way", I meant as defined in the US Constitution. But, I understand your point.
– PilotGal
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For funding bills, it takes 60 votes to pass in the Senate. Before the mid-terms, Republicans only had 51 votes (with some defectors, like Flake and Corker). They have 53 votes now but still need 7 votes from Democrats.
New contributor
1
I wonder what happens if you do not have the 60 votes ever. Complete breakdown?
– Trilarion
2 days ago
@Trilarion Then your bill doesn't get passed. If at least 41 Senators are unwilling to pass something even as part of a compromise for something else, then that thing doesn't get passed. This is why Democrats it was so hard for Democrats to pass ARRA and PPACA bacn in Obama's first couple of years, even with a Senate majority much larger than that held by the GOP in Trump's first two years.
– reirab
2 days ago
5
@Trilarion If 41 Senators were completely stonewalling everything and preventing anything from passing for an extended period, then the so-called "Nuclear option" might be employed to abolish the filibuster. But, as Harry Reid found out the hard way, that's a decision that you can come to regret very soon once the other party gains a majority.
– reirab
2 days ago
7
@PilotGal I'm not so sure that "the right way" is creating the longest shutdown in US history, but your mileage may vary.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
2
@MichaelW. - By "the right way", I meant as defined in the US Constitution. But, I understand your point.
– PilotGal
yesterday
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For funding bills, it takes 60 votes to pass in the Senate. Before the mid-terms, Republicans only had 51 votes (with some defectors, like Flake and Corker). They have 53 votes now but still need 7 votes from Democrats.
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For funding bills, it takes 60 votes to pass in the Senate. Before the mid-terms, Republicans only had 51 votes (with some defectors, like Flake and Corker). They have 53 votes now but still need 7 votes from Democrats.
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answered 2 days ago
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I wonder what happens if you do not have the 60 votes ever. Complete breakdown?
– Trilarion
2 days ago
@Trilarion Then your bill doesn't get passed. If at least 41 Senators are unwilling to pass something even as part of a compromise for something else, then that thing doesn't get passed. This is why Democrats it was so hard for Democrats to pass ARRA and PPACA bacn in Obama's first couple of years, even with a Senate majority much larger than that held by the GOP in Trump's first two years.
– reirab
2 days ago
5
@Trilarion If 41 Senators were completely stonewalling everything and preventing anything from passing for an extended period, then the so-called "Nuclear option" might be employed to abolish the filibuster. But, as Harry Reid found out the hard way, that's a decision that you can come to regret very soon once the other party gains a majority.
– reirab
2 days ago
7
@PilotGal I'm not so sure that "the right way" is creating the longest shutdown in US history, but your mileage may vary.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
2
@MichaelW. - By "the right way", I meant as defined in the US Constitution. But, I understand your point.
– PilotGal
yesterday
|
show 6 more comments
1
I wonder what happens if you do not have the 60 votes ever. Complete breakdown?
– Trilarion
2 days ago
@Trilarion Then your bill doesn't get passed. If at least 41 Senators are unwilling to pass something even as part of a compromise for something else, then that thing doesn't get passed. This is why Democrats it was so hard for Democrats to pass ARRA and PPACA bacn in Obama's first couple of years, even with a Senate majority much larger than that held by the GOP in Trump's first two years.
– reirab
2 days ago
5
@Trilarion If 41 Senators were completely stonewalling everything and preventing anything from passing for an extended period, then the so-called "Nuclear option" might be employed to abolish the filibuster. But, as Harry Reid found out the hard way, that's a decision that you can come to regret very soon once the other party gains a majority.
– reirab
2 days ago
7
@PilotGal I'm not so sure that "the right way" is creating the longest shutdown in US history, but your mileage may vary.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
2
@MichaelW. - By "the right way", I meant as defined in the US Constitution. But, I understand your point.
– PilotGal
yesterday
1
1
I wonder what happens if you do not have the 60 votes ever. Complete breakdown?
– Trilarion
2 days ago
I wonder what happens if you do not have the 60 votes ever. Complete breakdown?
– Trilarion
2 days ago
@Trilarion Then your bill doesn't get passed. If at least 41 Senators are unwilling to pass something even as part of a compromise for something else, then that thing doesn't get passed. This is why Democrats it was so hard for Democrats to pass ARRA and PPACA bacn in Obama's first couple of years, even with a Senate majority much larger than that held by the GOP in Trump's first two years.
– reirab
2 days ago
@Trilarion Then your bill doesn't get passed. If at least 41 Senators are unwilling to pass something even as part of a compromise for something else, then that thing doesn't get passed. This is why Democrats it was so hard for Democrats to pass ARRA and PPACA bacn in Obama's first couple of years, even with a Senate majority much larger than that held by the GOP in Trump's first two years.
– reirab
2 days ago
5
5
@Trilarion If 41 Senators were completely stonewalling everything and preventing anything from passing for an extended period, then the so-called "Nuclear option" might be employed to abolish the filibuster. But, as Harry Reid found out the hard way, that's a decision that you can come to regret very soon once the other party gains a majority.
– reirab
2 days ago
@Trilarion If 41 Senators were completely stonewalling everything and preventing anything from passing for an extended period, then the so-called "Nuclear option" might be employed to abolish the filibuster. But, as Harry Reid found out the hard way, that's a decision that you can come to regret very soon once the other party gains a majority.
– reirab
2 days ago
7
7
@PilotGal I'm not so sure that "the right way" is creating the longest shutdown in US history, but your mileage may vary.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
@PilotGal I'm not so sure that "the right way" is creating the longest shutdown in US history, but your mileage may vary.
– Michael W.
2 days ago
2
2
@MichaelW. - By "the right way", I meant as defined in the US Constitution. But, I understand your point.
– PilotGal
yesterday
@MichaelW. - By "the right way", I meant as defined in the US Constitution. But, I understand your point.
– PilotGal
yesterday
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The short answer is no.
First, there is already about 700 miles of border wall. Trump's "wall" is a political tool to rally his base and nothing more, as proven by the fact that the GOP controlled congress, since Obama was in office, has chosen to do nothing to reform our immigration system, including punishing employers who hire undocumented workers. There is also the fact that no crisis exists, thus making dealing with immigration reform less urgent. Read Key findings about U.S. immigrants for some information about our immigration situation to see why "the wall" is unnecessary.
Trump is theater and the wall is part of that theater.
New contributor
1
Links tend to go dead over time and it's also not clear how you're reaching your conclusion from the source you cite, so it would be best to quote the relevant parts and describe why it supports your position. The linked article is discussing immigration as a whole, not just unlawful immigration, but does mention that there are were more than 300,000 unlawful immigrants captured at the U.S.-Mexico border in 2017 (and, of course, that's not counting the ones who actually make it through without being caught.)
– reirab
2 days ago
The salient point is that the Trump administration hasn't explained why "the wall" wasn't built prior to the shut down even though the GOP had total control of the federal government since Trump's inauguration. More than likely the reasons are two: a) we already have about 700 miles of border fence/wall and (b) there really is no crisis now, January, 2019, including from those undocumented aliens living here now.
– Jeff
yesterday
There is exactly one reason: they didn't have the votes in the Senate. The House did pass a bill including funding for "the wall," which then immediately died in the Senate, due to Republicans having only 51 votes. 60 are required to invoke cloture and vote on the bill. While Reid did (stupidly) employ the so-called "nuclear option" to remove the filibuster rule for nominee confirmations (a move Democrats have since deeply regretted,) the rule remains in place for normal votes on bills.
– reirab
yesterday
True, but they never explained that, which would have required them to explain why they, the GOP and Trump, didn't work with the Democrats to actually solve the immigration problem, which would have included providing a path to citizenship for the Dreamers and the use of drones and sensors instead of a physical barrier. IMO, they calculated that they had more to gain politically with their base from concealing their refusal to work with the Democrats, a la Newt Gingrich.
– Jeff
12 hours ago
add a comment |
The short answer is no.
First, there is already about 700 miles of border wall. Trump's "wall" is a political tool to rally his base and nothing more, as proven by the fact that the GOP controlled congress, since Obama was in office, has chosen to do nothing to reform our immigration system, including punishing employers who hire undocumented workers. There is also the fact that no crisis exists, thus making dealing with immigration reform less urgent. Read Key findings about U.S. immigrants for some information about our immigration situation to see why "the wall" is unnecessary.
Trump is theater and the wall is part of that theater.
New contributor
1
Links tend to go dead over time and it's also not clear how you're reaching your conclusion from the source you cite, so it would be best to quote the relevant parts and describe why it supports your position. The linked article is discussing immigration as a whole, not just unlawful immigration, but does mention that there are were more than 300,000 unlawful immigrants captured at the U.S.-Mexico border in 2017 (and, of course, that's not counting the ones who actually make it through without being caught.)
– reirab
2 days ago
The salient point is that the Trump administration hasn't explained why "the wall" wasn't built prior to the shut down even though the GOP had total control of the federal government since Trump's inauguration. More than likely the reasons are two: a) we already have about 700 miles of border fence/wall and (b) there really is no crisis now, January, 2019, including from those undocumented aliens living here now.
– Jeff
yesterday
There is exactly one reason: they didn't have the votes in the Senate. The House did pass a bill including funding for "the wall," which then immediately died in the Senate, due to Republicans having only 51 votes. 60 are required to invoke cloture and vote on the bill. While Reid did (stupidly) employ the so-called "nuclear option" to remove the filibuster rule for nominee confirmations (a move Democrats have since deeply regretted,) the rule remains in place for normal votes on bills.
– reirab
yesterday
True, but they never explained that, which would have required them to explain why they, the GOP and Trump, didn't work with the Democrats to actually solve the immigration problem, which would have included providing a path to citizenship for the Dreamers and the use of drones and sensors instead of a physical barrier. IMO, they calculated that they had more to gain politically with their base from concealing their refusal to work with the Democrats, a la Newt Gingrich.
– Jeff
12 hours ago
add a comment |
The short answer is no.
First, there is already about 700 miles of border wall. Trump's "wall" is a political tool to rally his base and nothing more, as proven by the fact that the GOP controlled congress, since Obama was in office, has chosen to do nothing to reform our immigration system, including punishing employers who hire undocumented workers. There is also the fact that no crisis exists, thus making dealing with immigration reform less urgent. Read Key findings about U.S. immigrants for some information about our immigration situation to see why "the wall" is unnecessary.
Trump is theater and the wall is part of that theater.
New contributor
The short answer is no.
First, there is already about 700 miles of border wall. Trump's "wall" is a political tool to rally his base and nothing more, as proven by the fact that the GOP controlled congress, since Obama was in office, has chosen to do nothing to reform our immigration system, including punishing employers who hire undocumented workers. There is also the fact that no crisis exists, thus making dealing with immigration reform less urgent. Read Key findings about U.S. immigrants for some information about our immigration situation to see why "the wall" is unnecessary.
Trump is theater and the wall is part of that theater.
New contributor
New contributor
answered 2 days ago
JeffJeff
811
811
New contributor
New contributor
1
Links tend to go dead over time and it's also not clear how you're reaching your conclusion from the source you cite, so it would be best to quote the relevant parts and describe why it supports your position. The linked article is discussing immigration as a whole, not just unlawful immigration, but does mention that there are were more than 300,000 unlawful immigrants captured at the U.S.-Mexico border in 2017 (and, of course, that's not counting the ones who actually make it through without being caught.)
– reirab
2 days ago
The salient point is that the Trump administration hasn't explained why "the wall" wasn't built prior to the shut down even though the GOP had total control of the federal government since Trump's inauguration. More than likely the reasons are two: a) we already have about 700 miles of border fence/wall and (b) there really is no crisis now, January, 2019, including from those undocumented aliens living here now.
– Jeff
yesterday
There is exactly one reason: they didn't have the votes in the Senate. The House did pass a bill including funding for "the wall," which then immediately died in the Senate, due to Republicans having only 51 votes. 60 are required to invoke cloture and vote on the bill. While Reid did (stupidly) employ the so-called "nuclear option" to remove the filibuster rule for nominee confirmations (a move Democrats have since deeply regretted,) the rule remains in place for normal votes on bills.
– reirab
yesterday
True, but they never explained that, which would have required them to explain why they, the GOP and Trump, didn't work with the Democrats to actually solve the immigration problem, which would have included providing a path to citizenship for the Dreamers and the use of drones and sensors instead of a physical barrier. IMO, they calculated that they had more to gain politically with their base from concealing their refusal to work with the Democrats, a la Newt Gingrich.
– Jeff
12 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Links tend to go dead over time and it's also not clear how you're reaching your conclusion from the source you cite, so it would be best to quote the relevant parts and describe why it supports your position. The linked article is discussing immigration as a whole, not just unlawful immigration, but does mention that there are were more than 300,000 unlawful immigrants captured at the U.S.-Mexico border in 2017 (and, of course, that's not counting the ones who actually make it through without being caught.)
– reirab
2 days ago
The salient point is that the Trump administration hasn't explained why "the wall" wasn't built prior to the shut down even though the GOP had total control of the federal government since Trump's inauguration. More than likely the reasons are two: a) we already have about 700 miles of border fence/wall and (b) there really is no crisis now, January, 2019, including from those undocumented aliens living here now.
– Jeff
yesterday
There is exactly one reason: they didn't have the votes in the Senate. The House did pass a bill including funding for "the wall," which then immediately died in the Senate, due to Republicans having only 51 votes. 60 are required to invoke cloture and vote on the bill. While Reid did (stupidly) employ the so-called "nuclear option" to remove the filibuster rule for nominee confirmations (a move Democrats have since deeply regretted,) the rule remains in place for normal votes on bills.
– reirab
yesterday
True, but they never explained that, which would have required them to explain why they, the GOP and Trump, didn't work with the Democrats to actually solve the immigration problem, which would have included providing a path to citizenship for the Dreamers and the use of drones and sensors instead of a physical barrier. IMO, they calculated that they had more to gain politically with their base from concealing their refusal to work with the Democrats, a la Newt Gingrich.
– Jeff
12 hours ago
1
1
Links tend to go dead over time and it's also not clear how you're reaching your conclusion from the source you cite, so it would be best to quote the relevant parts and describe why it supports your position. The linked article is discussing immigration as a whole, not just unlawful immigration, but does mention that there are were more than 300,000 unlawful immigrants captured at the U.S.-Mexico border in 2017 (and, of course, that's not counting the ones who actually make it through without being caught.)
– reirab
2 days ago
Links tend to go dead over time and it's also not clear how you're reaching your conclusion from the source you cite, so it would be best to quote the relevant parts and describe why it supports your position. The linked article is discussing immigration as a whole, not just unlawful immigration, but does mention that there are were more than 300,000 unlawful immigrants captured at the U.S.-Mexico border in 2017 (and, of course, that's not counting the ones who actually make it through without being caught.)
– reirab
2 days ago
The salient point is that the Trump administration hasn't explained why "the wall" wasn't built prior to the shut down even though the GOP had total control of the federal government since Trump's inauguration. More than likely the reasons are two: a) we already have about 700 miles of border fence/wall and (b) there really is no crisis now, January, 2019, including from those undocumented aliens living here now.
– Jeff
yesterday
The salient point is that the Trump administration hasn't explained why "the wall" wasn't built prior to the shut down even though the GOP had total control of the federal government since Trump's inauguration. More than likely the reasons are two: a) we already have about 700 miles of border fence/wall and (b) there really is no crisis now, January, 2019, including from those undocumented aliens living here now.
– Jeff
yesterday
There is exactly one reason: they didn't have the votes in the Senate. The House did pass a bill including funding for "the wall," which then immediately died in the Senate, due to Republicans having only 51 votes. 60 are required to invoke cloture and vote on the bill. While Reid did (stupidly) employ the so-called "nuclear option" to remove the filibuster rule for nominee confirmations (a move Democrats have since deeply regretted,) the rule remains in place for normal votes on bills.
– reirab
yesterday
There is exactly one reason: they didn't have the votes in the Senate. The House did pass a bill including funding for "the wall," which then immediately died in the Senate, due to Republicans having only 51 votes. 60 are required to invoke cloture and vote on the bill. While Reid did (stupidly) employ the so-called "nuclear option" to remove the filibuster rule for nominee confirmations (a move Democrats have since deeply regretted,) the rule remains in place for normal votes on bills.
– reirab
yesterday
True, but they never explained that, which would have required them to explain why they, the GOP and Trump, didn't work with the Democrats to actually solve the immigration problem, which would have included providing a path to citizenship for the Dreamers and the use of drones and sensors instead of a physical barrier. IMO, they calculated that they had more to gain politically with their base from concealing their refusal to work with the Democrats, a la Newt Gingrich.
– Jeff
12 hours ago
True, but they never explained that, which would have required them to explain why they, the GOP and Trump, didn't work with the Democrats to actually solve the immigration problem, which would have included providing a path to citizenship for the Dreamers and the use of drones and sensors instead of a physical barrier. IMO, they calculated that they had more to gain politically with their base from concealing their refusal to work with the Democrats, a la Newt Gingrich.
– Jeff
12 hours ago
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Questions about internal motivation are offtopic here, because they can only result in speculation. In fact, we simply don't know why. You could ask instead, if maybe Trump and Republican lawmakers in Congress said something about why they didn't allocate that much money for border security in 2017. Maybe they commented on it then.
– Trilarion
2 days ago
1
I think it's super worth noting that the Senate Republicans never had the 60 votes required to pass the bill in the senate, so even though it was "GOP controlled", it would still have this passing issue
– Brian Leishman
2 days ago
1
Because if you cannot give evidence that a majority of senators wanted a wall and were capable of getting a bill through the house and senate, then your question is basically "why did something that hardly anyone wanted and they couldn't get done even if they wanted it not get done?" The question answers itself when you phrase it like that. Stuff people do not want that they cannot do anyway is stuff that doesn't get done!
– Eric Lippert
23 hours ago
1
@Allure: 100% of republican senators voted for a spending bill with no funding for the wall. Is that evidence for, or against, the proposition that republican senators want a wall? But regardless, I'm not the one asking a "why not?" question here. The onus is on the person asking the "why not?" question to explain why it is that a counterfactual should require an explanation. There are an infinite number of ways that the world is not; we can't provide a justification for all of them.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago
1
Another way to look at it is: evidence that republican senators want a wall would include their being willing to bargain for democratic senators' votes by agreeing to fund something equally important to democrats. The problem isn't coming up with the money. The problem is coming up with something to give democrats in exchange for their agreement. If you want me to give you a cookie, and you're willing to give me absolutely nothing that I want in exchange, then that sounds like evidence that you don't really want my cookie.
– Eric Lippert
21 hours ago