Is there a word for this emotion? Resentment over someone's good fortune without wanting it - Not quite...
What is the word to describe this? I was reading up about the differences between jealousy and envy and this doesn't seem to fit either, when you don't actually want what the other person has, nor do you have it, but you're just kind of bitter and angry because you don't think they deserve anything at all.
For example: Your crappy neighbor wins a new car. You have a much better car, or don't even need a car at all, but you're still mad about it since he doesn't deserve to win anything at all. Or, you break up with a real jerk, are more than happy to be rid of him and find a new wonderful partner, and then later see him out with a really attractive person. It's not like you want the guy back, or you want the person he's with, or that you're even wanting a relationship, but you just are angry that this jerk is getting anything at all.
A friend suggested "begrudge", but it still sounds like you actually want what the other person has. Is there a simple word to express resentment/biterness over another person's good fortune without investment in actually wanting what they obtained?
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What is the word to describe this? I was reading up about the differences between jealousy and envy and this doesn't seem to fit either, when you don't actually want what the other person has, nor do you have it, but you're just kind of bitter and angry because you don't think they deserve anything at all.
For example: Your crappy neighbor wins a new car. You have a much better car, or don't even need a car at all, but you're still mad about it since he doesn't deserve to win anything at all. Or, you break up with a real jerk, are more than happy to be rid of him and find a new wonderful partner, and then later see him out with a really attractive person. It's not like you want the guy back, or you want the person he's with, or that you're even wanting a relationship, but you just are angry that this jerk is getting anything at all.
A friend suggested "begrudge", but it still sounds like you actually want what the other person has. Is there a simple word to express resentment/biterness over another person's good fortune without investment in actually wanting what they obtained?
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'Jealousy' and 'envy' are synonymous (ie are, on occasion, interchangeable). The 'centres of gravity' of the ranges of their senses may differ, but it would be wrong to see them as non-overlapping. Although the usage notes given by RHK Webster's argues for this disjointness, their first definition of 'envy' contradicts their argument.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 18 '14 at 7:50
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Whether or not he deserves a new car is immaterial. The OP is asking about the feeling associated with believing he does not deserve it and resenting that.
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:06
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'Pettiness' comes the closest in my opinion.
– user88630
Aug 19 '14 at 3:11
@EdwinAshworth No they're not! 'Jealous' is incorrectly used as though it is a synonym of 'envious', but it is not. One is jealous of something oneself has, but envious of another.
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:14
@BallardHill That's a completely different tone and only works when talking about someone else. You wouldn't say "I feel petty for his new car"..
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:16
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What is the word to describe this? I was reading up about the differences between jealousy and envy and this doesn't seem to fit either, when you don't actually want what the other person has, nor do you have it, but you're just kind of bitter and angry because you don't think they deserve anything at all.
For example: Your crappy neighbor wins a new car. You have a much better car, or don't even need a car at all, but you're still mad about it since he doesn't deserve to win anything at all. Or, you break up with a real jerk, are more than happy to be rid of him and find a new wonderful partner, and then later see him out with a really attractive person. It's not like you want the guy back, or you want the person he's with, or that you're even wanting a relationship, but you just are angry that this jerk is getting anything at all.
A friend suggested "begrudge", but it still sounds like you actually want what the other person has. Is there a simple word to express resentment/biterness over another person's good fortune without investment in actually wanting what they obtained?
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What is the word to describe this? I was reading up about the differences between jealousy and envy and this doesn't seem to fit either, when you don't actually want what the other person has, nor do you have it, but you're just kind of bitter and angry because you don't think they deserve anything at all.
For example: Your crappy neighbor wins a new car. You have a much better car, or don't even need a car at all, but you're still mad about it since he doesn't deserve to win anything at all. Or, you break up with a real jerk, are more than happy to be rid of him and find a new wonderful partner, and then later see him out with a really attractive person. It's not like you want the guy back, or you want the person he's with, or that you're even wanting a relationship, but you just are angry that this jerk is getting anything at all.
A friend suggested "begrudge", but it still sounds like you actually want what the other person has. Is there a simple word to express resentment/biterness over another person's good fortune without investment in actually wanting what they obtained?
meaning single-word-requests
meaning single-word-requests
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'Jealousy' and 'envy' are synonymous (ie are, on occasion, interchangeable). The 'centres of gravity' of the ranges of their senses may differ, but it would be wrong to see them as non-overlapping. Although the usage notes given by RHK Webster's argues for this disjointness, their first definition of 'envy' contradicts their argument.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 18 '14 at 7:50
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Whether or not he deserves a new car is immaterial. The OP is asking about the feeling associated with believing he does not deserve it and resenting that.
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:06
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'Pettiness' comes the closest in my opinion.
– user88630
Aug 19 '14 at 3:11
@EdwinAshworth No they're not! 'Jealous' is incorrectly used as though it is a synonym of 'envious', but it is not. One is jealous of something oneself has, but envious of another.
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:14
@BallardHill That's a completely different tone and only works when talking about someone else. You wouldn't say "I feel petty for his new car"..
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:16
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'Jealousy' and 'envy' are synonymous (ie are, on occasion, interchangeable). The 'centres of gravity' of the ranges of their senses may differ, but it would be wrong to see them as non-overlapping. Although the usage notes given by RHK Webster's argues for this disjointness, their first definition of 'envy' contradicts their argument.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 18 '14 at 7:50
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Whether or not he deserves a new car is immaterial. The OP is asking about the feeling associated with believing he does not deserve it and resenting that.
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:06
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'Pettiness' comes the closest in my opinion.
– user88630
Aug 19 '14 at 3:11
@EdwinAshworth No they're not! 'Jealous' is incorrectly used as though it is a synonym of 'envious', but it is not. One is jealous of something oneself has, but envious of another.
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:14
@BallardHill That's a completely different tone and only works when talking about someone else. You wouldn't say "I feel petty for his new car"..
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:16
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'Jealousy' and 'envy' are synonymous (ie are, on occasion, interchangeable). The 'centres of gravity' of the ranges of their senses may differ, but it would be wrong to see them as non-overlapping. Although the usage notes given by RHK Webster's argues for this disjointness, their first definition of 'envy' contradicts their argument.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 18 '14 at 7:50
'Jealousy' and 'envy' are synonymous (ie are, on occasion, interchangeable). The 'centres of gravity' of the ranges of their senses may differ, but it would be wrong to see them as non-overlapping. Although the usage notes given by RHK Webster's argues for this disjointness, their first definition of 'envy' contradicts their argument.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 18 '14 at 7:50
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Whether or not he deserves a new car is immaterial. The OP is asking about the feeling associated with believing he does not deserve it and resenting that.
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:06
Whether or not he deserves a new car is immaterial. The OP is asking about the feeling associated with believing he does not deserve it and resenting that.
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:06
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'Pettiness' comes the closest in my opinion.
– user88630
Aug 19 '14 at 3:11
'Pettiness' comes the closest in my opinion.
– user88630
Aug 19 '14 at 3:11
@EdwinAshworth No they're not! 'Jealous' is incorrectly used as though it is a synonym of 'envious', but it is not. One is jealous of something oneself has, but envious of another.
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:14
@EdwinAshworth No they're not! 'Jealous' is incorrectly used as though it is a synonym of 'envious', but it is not. One is jealous of something oneself has, but envious of another.
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:14
@BallardHill That's a completely different tone and only works when talking about someone else. You wouldn't say "I feel petty for his new car"..
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:16
@BallardHill That's a completely different tone and only works when talking about someone else. You wouldn't say "I feel petty for his new car"..
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:16
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I don’t think you will find a better word than begrudge for “regard as ill-deserved”.
I know I shouldn’t care, but I begrudge my ex his new partner a bit.
Merriam-Webster agrees that it needn’t have a covetous connotation:
be·grudge verb bi-ˈgrəj, bē-
: to think that someone does not deserve something
: to regard (something) as not being earned or deserved
Resent is another good choice.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 7:27
Jon PurdyJon Purdy
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Begrudge: spot on. It doesn't really bring the implication that you want what the person has. I'm not sure "resent" is a viable alternative, because it was part of the question: how can "resent" be the answer to "what is a word for resentment about someone's good fortune" :)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:13
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Additionally, Dictionary.com specifically offers "to envy or resent the pleasure or good fortune of (someone)". Sounds rather spot on.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:55
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@GreenAsJade People can (accidentally, even) suggest the best answer to their question. Sometimes you just need another pair of eyes to say, "you said it best."
– Tim S.
Aug 19 '14 at 16:11
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– Yuri
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I believe the best word to describe what you are feeling is indignation. Begrudge is a good word if you don’t care about the similarities with envy and resentment. According to Dictionary.com:
indignation (n): strong displeasure at something considered unjust,
offensive, insulting, or base; righteous anger.
That is, indignation at the other person’s good fortune.
Incidentally, putting a few words together to make resentful indignation is part of the definition of another word: wrath. Again, according to Dictionary.com:
wrath (n): strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire.
Wrath is a really interesting word, but it is a very deep emotion. As food for thought, is this person really the object of your wrath rather than your indignation? :)
answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:06
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Aug 19 '14 at 0:53
Yes, please cite your dictionary definitions.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
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Begrudge and resent are good suggestions in a different answer, but I would like to add that if you act on the feelings you mention, you might be said to act out of spite. Also, you behaviour could be construed as spiteful.
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Hater: Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesn't really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.
-Urban Dictionary
Pompous: Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious
Pretentious: Making claim to distinction or importance, esp undeservedly
-TheFreeDictionary
It must be nice... (sarcastically)
A phrase said to share that feeling with others because there is no better word for jealousy. The context of the discussion fills in the blank, unspoken.
In the example, they are jealous that their "crappy" neighbor doesn't live a life as hard as they do to live on their block. Living frugal or having different ethics does not prescribe them to say that their neighbor is in anyway subhuman and undeserving, that would be pretentiously pompous; a 'hater'.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 2:44
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+1 for "hater". (I don't really think the rest fits, though.)
– Frank
Aug 19 '14 at 17:45
The rest is what got me to hater, I juxtaposed everthing.
– Mazura
Aug 19 '14 at 23:50
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sadist and the likes.
If X resents when the X sees others get what they deserve/don't deserve, then I'd like to address X as a sadist.
I am jealousy when you've got something I don't have.
I am a sadist if I feel bad when you've got something I do have.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 14:10
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indignant (Webster): feeling or showing anger because of something that is unfair or wrong : very angry
This seems appropriate as it seems what you are after is a way to express that your sense of justice has been violated.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 16:10
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Welcome to EL&U. Please take some time to review the help center for guidance on submitting good answers. You should, at the least, cite a source for this definition.
– choster
Aug 19 '14 at 16:14
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"Envy" and "jealousy" are perfectly correct here.
You're envious that some person has received something that you have rationalized he's not entitled to have, because you think he's "crappy".
I don't want to go too deep as to why one could mentally gesticulate himself into envy in this manner, but how can one be the judge of someone else's life like this? How certain are you of what they deserve and don't deserve.
Petty vindictiveness isn't an emotion, but they describe well how people think and behave when the feel the emotions of envy and jealously.
Might toss in the emotion called "anger" here too... and it this case, misdirected anger.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 17:16
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"Every time a friend succeeds, I die a little." - Gore Vidal
I think the above quote embodies the feeling the original poster was trying to capture. To say you don't think somebody deserves it isn't quite capturing the malcontent behind the feeling. It is almost based in insecurity and self-loathing. I almost think the only word we have for it is 'hater.' Although I would like to see something a little more creative.
answered Feb 11 '16 at 1:07
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There's a loan word "schadenfreude" which means the desire that the life of others become worse, instead of own life becoming better.
I don't know if it's exactly the same situation as you mean, but it would be appropriate, for example, if you have 2 cars, your neighbour has only 1, but you'd rather him have none, because you think he doesn't deserver any at all (because you're sooo much better then him).
answered Aug 18 '14 at 11:40
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No. Schadenfreude means you are happy when something bad happens to someone, which is not the same as being unhappy when something good happens to them. If my girlfriend has cheated on me, I may experience schadenfreude when her new boyfriend cheats on her, but that doesn't mean I am in any way feeling bad that she wins a car.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 11:48
But well, if you're unhappy because someone is happy, it is like a schadenfreude (even if it's not exactly the same). If your girlfriend cheats on you, and you're unhappy because your neighbour has a faithful wife, I'd say, it's a schadenfreude.
– Danubian Sailor
Aug 18 '14 at 11:56
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You are taking grand liberties with the word. Schade is damage or pain, freude is joy or happiness. You can of course just apply the word as meaning the exact opposite of what it means in German, but I for one won't readily understand what you mean. It's like saying you are happy that it's sunny — and from the fact it is raining outside, I have to understand you actually mean you are sad that it is raining.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 12:17
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@oerkelens, Perhaps freudenschade would work? :-)
– Hellion
Aug 18 '14 at 17:12
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What about Irony ? I know it's not what you're looking for, but if you think about it, your ideal reaction should only go as far as appearing to you as ironic that someone has got something good when you don't think they deserve it. But you never know all the facts, you don't even know that the new car is actually good for them. So I would go for "it's ironic that he has won a new car when he's actually a dreadful person that poisons my fish and plays loud music".
Technically this feeling you're looking to describe is not really an emotion as such, but an attitude developed as a reaction to an emotion of anger. We only have a few "pure" emotions, but lots of varying attitudes.
Hope this at least provides a bit of food for thought.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 13:00
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Irony is not even an emotion, it's a technique or state of affairs. It may or may not be ironic that the person has a new car when they don't deserve it, but the question is asking about the feeling associated with resenting them having it, ironic or not. If you know that it is not what the question is looking for, then don't give it as an answer ;)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:05
It's correct that this doesn't directly answer the question, but I can see the point being made. There is likely to be irony in the situation that the OP describes and it's still a useful answer.
– zooone9243
Aug 19 '14 at 1:25
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I don’t think you will find a better word than begrudge for “regard as ill-deserved”.
I know I shouldn’t care, but I begrudge my ex his new partner a bit.
Merriam-Webster agrees that it needn’t have a covetous connotation:
be·grudge verb bi-ˈgrəj, bē-
: to think that someone does not deserve something
: to regard (something) as not being earned or deserved
Resent is another good choice.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 7:27
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Begrudge: spot on. It doesn't really bring the implication that you want what the person has. I'm not sure "resent" is a viable alternative, because it was part of the question: how can "resent" be the answer to "what is a word for resentment about someone's good fortune" :)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:13
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Additionally, Dictionary.com specifically offers "to envy or resent the pleasure or good fortune of (someone)". Sounds rather spot on.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:55
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@GreenAsJade People can (accidentally, even) suggest the best answer to their question. Sometimes you just need another pair of eyes to say, "you said it best."
– Tim S.
Aug 19 '14 at 16:11
+1
– Yuri
Oct 13 '16 at 11:37
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I don’t think you will find a better word than begrudge for “regard as ill-deserved”.
I know I shouldn’t care, but I begrudge my ex his new partner a bit.
Merriam-Webster agrees that it needn’t have a covetous connotation:
be·grudge verb bi-ˈgrəj, bē-
: to think that someone does not deserve something
: to regard (something) as not being earned or deserved
Resent is another good choice.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 7:27
Jon PurdyJon Purdy
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Begrudge: spot on. It doesn't really bring the implication that you want what the person has. I'm not sure "resent" is a viable alternative, because it was part of the question: how can "resent" be the answer to "what is a word for resentment about someone's good fortune" :)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:13
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Additionally, Dictionary.com specifically offers "to envy or resent the pleasure or good fortune of (someone)". Sounds rather spot on.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:55
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@GreenAsJade People can (accidentally, even) suggest the best answer to their question. Sometimes you just need another pair of eyes to say, "you said it best."
– Tim S.
Aug 19 '14 at 16:11
+1
– Yuri
Oct 13 '16 at 11:37
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I don’t think you will find a better word than begrudge for “regard as ill-deserved”.
I know I shouldn’t care, but I begrudge my ex his new partner a bit.
Merriam-Webster agrees that it needn’t have a covetous connotation:
be·grudge verb bi-ˈgrəj, bē-
: to think that someone does not deserve something
: to regard (something) as not being earned or deserved
Resent is another good choice.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 7:27
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I don’t think you will find a better word than begrudge for “regard as ill-deserved”.
I know I shouldn’t care, but I begrudge my ex his new partner a bit.
Merriam-Webster agrees that it needn’t have a covetous connotation:
be·grudge verb bi-ˈgrəj, bē-
: to think that someone does not deserve something
: to regard (something) as not being earned or deserved
Resent is another good choice.
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Begrudge: spot on. It doesn't really bring the implication that you want what the person has. I'm not sure "resent" is a viable alternative, because it was part of the question: how can "resent" be the answer to "what is a word for resentment about someone's good fortune" :)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:13
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Additionally, Dictionary.com specifically offers "to envy or resent the pleasure or good fortune of (someone)". Sounds rather spot on.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:55
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@GreenAsJade People can (accidentally, even) suggest the best answer to their question. Sometimes you just need another pair of eyes to say, "you said it best."
– Tim S.
Aug 19 '14 at 16:11
+1
– Yuri
Oct 13 '16 at 11:37
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Begrudge: spot on. It doesn't really bring the implication that you want what the person has. I'm not sure "resent" is a viable alternative, because it was part of the question: how can "resent" be the answer to "what is a word for resentment about someone's good fortune" :)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:13
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Additionally, Dictionary.com specifically offers "to envy or resent the pleasure or good fortune of (someone)". Sounds rather spot on.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:55
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@GreenAsJade People can (accidentally, even) suggest the best answer to their question. Sometimes you just need another pair of eyes to say, "you said it best."
– Tim S.
Aug 19 '14 at 16:11
+1
– Yuri
Oct 13 '16 at 11:37
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Begrudge: spot on. It doesn't really bring the implication that you want what the person has. I'm not sure "resent" is a viable alternative, because it was part of the question: how can "resent" be the answer to "what is a word for resentment about someone's good fortune" :)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:13
Begrudge: spot on. It doesn't really bring the implication that you want what the person has. I'm not sure "resent" is a viable alternative, because it was part of the question: how can "resent" be the answer to "what is a word for resentment about someone's good fortune" :)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:13
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Additionally, Dictionary.com specifically offers "to envy or resent the pleasure or good fortune of (someone)". Sounds rather spot on.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:55
Additionally, Dictionary.com specifically offers "to envy or resent the pleasure or good fortune of (someone)". Sounds rather spot on.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:55
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@GreenAsJade People can (accidentally, even) suggest the best answer to their question. Sometimes you just need another pair of eyes to say, "you said it best."
– Tim S.
Aug 19 '14 at 16:11
@GreenAsJade People can (accidentally, even) suggest the best answer to their question. Sometimes you just need another pair of eyes to say, "you said it best."
– Tim S.
Aug 19 '14 at 16:11
+1
– Yuri
Oct 13 '16 at 11:37
+1
– Yuri
Oct 13 '16 at 11:37
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I believe the best word to describe what you are feeling is indignation. Begrudge is a good word if you don’t care about the similarities with envy and resentment. According to Dictionary.com:
indignation (n): strong displeasure at something considered unjust,
offensive, insulting, or base; righteous anger.
That is, indignation at the other person’s good fortune.
Incidentally, putting a few words together to make resentful indignation is part of the definition of another word: wrath. Again, according to Dictionary.com:
wrath (n): strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire.
Wrath is a really interesting word, but it is a very deep emotion. As food for thought, is this person really the object of your wrath rather than your indignation? :)
answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:06
SnapmanSnapman
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First, for the use–mention distinction, please use an italic face not a bold one for mentions; it makes the page look too heavy otherwise, and furthermore runs counter to typographic convention both on this site and in scholarly works. Second, please do not use code blocks for quoted text; it looks terrible. Third, please follow the documentation requirements for copying others’ work into your answer, as unattributed copypasta may be deleted.
– tchrist♦
Aug 19 '14 at 0:53
Yes, please cite your dictionary definitions.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:52
I added my dictionary references. I didn't think the code blocks looked terrible, but I'm willing to follow the guidelines.
– Snapman
Aug 19 '14 at 15:25
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I believe the best word to describe what you are feeling is indignation. Begrudge is a good word if you don’t care about the similarities with envy and resentment. According to Dictionary.com:
indignation (n): strong displeasure at something considered unjust,
offensive, insulting, or base; righteous anger.
That is, indignation at the other person’s good fortune.
Incidentally, putting a few words together to make resentful indignation is part of the definition of another word: wrath. Again, according to Dictionary.com:
wrath (n): strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire.
Wrath is a really interesting word, but it is a very deep emotion. As food for thought, is this person really the object of your wrath rather than your indignation? :)
answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:06
SnapmanSnapman
48625
First, for the use–mention distinction, please use an italic face not a bold one for mentions; it makes the page look too heavy otherwise, and furthermore runs counter to typographic convention both on this site and in scholarly works. Second, please do not use code blocks for quoted text; it looks terrible. Third, please follow the documentation requirements for copying others’ work into your answer, as unattributed copypasta may be deleted.
– tchrist♦
Aug 19 '14 at 0:53
Yes, please cite your dictionary definitions.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:52
I added my dictionary references. I didn't think the code blocks looked terrible, but I'm willing to follow the guidelines.
– Snapman
Aug 19 '14 at 15:25
add a comment |
I believe the best word to describe what you are feeling is indignation. Begrudge is a good word if you don’t care about the similarities with envy and resentment. According to Dictionary.com:
indignation (n): strong displeasure at something considered unjust,
offensive, insulting, or base; righteous anger.
That is, indignation at the other person’s good fortune.
Incidentally, putting a few words together to make resentful indignation is part of the definition of another word: wrath. Again, according to Dictionary.com:
wrath (n): strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire.
Wrath is a really interesting word, but it is a very deep emotion. As food for thought, is this person really the object of your wrath rather than your indignation? :)
answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:06
SnapmanSnapman
48625
I believe the best word to describe what you are feeling is indignation. Begrudge is a good word if you don’t care about the similarities with envy and resentment. According to Dictionary.com:
indignation (n): strong displeasure at something considered unjust,
offensive, insulting, or base; righteous anger.
That is, indignation at the other person’s good fortune.
Incidentally, putting a few words together to make resentful indignation is part of the definition of another word: wrath. Again, according to Dictionary.com:
wrath (n): strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire.
Wrath is a really interesting word, but it is a very deep emotion. As food for thought, is this person really the object of your wrath rather than your indignation? :)
answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:06
SnapmanSnapman
48625
edited Aug 19 '14 at 15:24
answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:06
SnapmanSnapman
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answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:06
SnapmanSnapman
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answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:06
SnapmanSnapman
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First, for the use–mention distinction, please use an italic face not a bold one for mentions; it makes the page look too heavy otherwise, and furthermore runs counter to typographic convention both on this site and in scholarly works. Second, please do not use code blocks for quoted text; it looks terrible. Third, please follow the documentation requirements for copying others’ work into your answer, as unattributed copypasta may be deleted.
– tchrist♦
Aug 19 '14 at 0:53
Yes, please cite your dictionary definitions.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:52
I added my dictionary references. I didn't think the code blocks looked terrible, but I'm willing to follow the guidelines.
– Snapman
Aug 19 '14 at 15:25
add a comment |
First, for the use–mention distinction, please use an italic face not a bold one for mentions; it makes the page look too heavy otherwise, and furthermore runs counter to typographic convention both on this site and in scholarly works. Second, please do not use code blocks for quoted text; it looks terrible. Third, please follow the documentation requirements for copying others’ work into your answer, as unattributed copypasta may be deleted.
– tchrist♦
Aug 19 '14 at 0:53
Yes, please cite your dictionary definitions.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:52
I added my dictionary references. I didn't think the code blocks looked terrible, but I'm willing to follow the guidelines.
– Snapman
Aug 19 '14 at 15:25
First, for the use–mention distinction, please use an italic face not a bold one for mentions; it makes the page look too heavy otherwise, and furthermore runs counter to typographic convention both on this site and in scholarly works. Second, please do not use code blocks for quoted text; it looks terrible. Third, please follow the documentation requirements for copying others’ work into your answer, as unattributed copypasta may be deleted.
– tchrist♦
Aug 19 '14 at 0:53
First, for the use–mention distinction, please use an italic face not a bold one for mentions; it makes the page look too heavy otherwise, and furthermore runs counter to typographic convention both on this site and in scholarly works. Second, please do not use code blocks for quoted text; it looks terrible. Third, please follow the documentation requirements for copying others’ work into your answer, as unattributed copypasta may be deleted.
– tchrist♦
Aug 19 '14 at 0:53
Yes, please cite your dictionary definitions.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:52
Yes, please cite your dictionary definitions.
– Kit Z. Fox♦
Aug 19 '14 at 2:52
I added my dictionary references. I didn't think the code blocks looked terrible, but I'm willing to follow the guidelines.
– Snapman
Aug 19 '14 at 15:25
I added my dictionary references. I didn't think the code blocks looked terrible, but I'm willing to follow the guidelines.
– Snapman
Aug 19 '14 at 15:25
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Begrudge and resent are good suggestions in a different answer, but I would like to add that if you act on the feelings you mention, you might be said to act out of spite. Also, you behaviour could be construed as spiteful.
edited Aug 19 '14 at 2:50
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Boluc PapuccuogluBoluc Papuccuoglu
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Begrudge and resent are good suggestions in a different answer, but I would like to add that if you act on the feelings you mention, you might be said to act out of spite. Also, you behaviour could be construed as spiteful.
edited Aug 19 '14 at 2:50
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answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:50
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Begrudge and resent are good suggestions in a different answer, but I would like to add that if you act on the feelings you mention, you might be said to act out of spite. Also, you behaviour could be construed as spiteful.
edited Aug 19 '14 at 2:50
Kit Z. Fox♦
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answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:50
Boluc PapuccuogluBoluc Papuccuoglu
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Begrudge and resent are good suggestions in a different answer, but I would like to add that if you act on the feelings you mention, you might be said to act out of spite. Also, you behaviour could be construed as spiteful.
edited Aug 19 '14 at 2:50
Kit Z. Fox♦
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answered Aug 18 '14 at 17:50
Boluc PapuccuogluBoluc Papuccuoglu
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edited Aug 19 '14 at 2:50
Kit Z. Fox♦
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edited Aug 19 '14 at 2:50
Kit Z. Fox♦
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Hater: Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesn't really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.
-Urban Dictionary
Pompous: Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious
Pretentious: Making claim to distinction or importance, esp undeservedly
-TheFreeDictionary
It must be nice... (sarcastically)
A phrase said to share that feeling with others because there is no better word for jealousy. The context of the discussion fills in the blank, unspoken.
In the example, they are jealous that their "crappy" neighbor doesn't live a life as hard as they do to live on their block. Living frugal or having different ethics does not prescribe them to say that their neighbor is in anyway subhuman and undeserving, that would be pretentiously pompous; a 'hater'.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 2:44
MazuraMazura
8,07932149
+1 for "hater". (I don't really think the rest fits, though.)
– Frank
Aug 19 '14 at 17:45
The rest is what got me to hater, I juxtaposed everthing.
– Mazura
Aug 19 '14 at 23:50
add a comment |
Hater: Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesn't really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.
-Urban Dictionary
Pompous: Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious
Pretentious: Making claim to distinction or importance, esp undeservedly
-TheFreeDictionary
It must be nice... (sarcastically)
A phrase said to share that feeling with others because there is no better word for jealousy. The context of the discussion fills in the blank, unspoken.
In the example, they are jealous that their "crappy" neighbor doesn't live a life as hard as they do to live on their block. Living frugal or having different ethics does not prescribe them to say that their neighbor is in anyway subhuman and undeserving, that would be pretentiously pompous; a 'hater'.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 2:44
MazuraMazura
8,07932149
+1 for "hater". (I don't really think the rest fits, though.)
– Frank
Aug 19 '14 at 17:45
The rest is what got me to hater, I juxtaposed everthing.
– Mazura
Aug 19 '14 at 23:50
add a comment |
Hater: Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesn't really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.
-Urban Dictionary
Pompous: Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious
Pretentious: Making claim to distinction or importance, esp undeservedly
-TheFreeDictionary
It must be nice... (sarcastically)
A phrase said to share that feeling with others because there is no better word for jealousy. The context of the discussion fills in the blank, unspoken.
In the example, they are jealous that their "crappy" neighbor doesn't live a life as hard as they do to live on their block. Living frugal or having different ethics does not prescribe them to say that their neighbor is in anyway subhuman and undeserving, that would be pretentiously pompous; a 'hater'.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 2:44
MazuraMazura
8,07932149
Hater: Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesn't really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.
-Urban Dictionary
Pompous: Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious
Pretentious: Making claim to distinction or importance, esp undeservedly
-TheFreeDictionary
It must be nice... (sarcastically)
A phrase said to share that feeling with others because there is no better word for jealousy. The context of the discussion fills in the blank, unspoken.
In the example, they are jealous that their "crappy" neighbor doesn't live a life as hard as they do to live on their block. Living frugal or having different ethics does not prescribe them to say that their neighbor is in anyway subhuman and undeserving, that would be pretentiously pompous; a 'hater'.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 2:44
MazuraMazura
8,07932149
answered Aug 19 '14 at 2:44
MazuraMazura
8,07932149
answered Aug 19 '14 at 2:44
MazuraMazura
8,07932149
answered Aug 19 '14 at 2:44
MazuraMazura
8,07932149
8,07932149
+1 for "hater". (I don't really think the rest fits, though.)
– Frank
Aug 19 '14 at 17:45
The rest is what got me to hater, I juxtaposed everthing.
– Mazura
Aug 19 '14 at 23:50
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+1 for "hater". (I don't really think the rest fits, though.)
– Frank
Aug 19 '14 at 17:45
The rest is what got me to hater, I juxtaposed everthing.
– Mazura
Aug 19 '14 at 23:50
+1 for "hater". (I don't really think the rest fits, though.)
– Frank
Aug 19 '14 at 17:45
+1 for "hater". (I don't really think the rest fits, though.)
– Frank
Aug 19 '14 at 17:45
The rest is what got me to hater, I juxtaposed everthing.
– Mazura
Aug 19 '14 at 23:50
The rest is what got me to hater, I juxtaposed everthing.
– Mazura
Aug 19 '14 at 23:50
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sadist and the likes.
If X resents when the X sees others get what they deserve/don't deserve, then I'd like to address X as a sadist.
I am jealousy when you've got something I don't have.
I am a sadist if I feel bad when you've got something I do have.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 14:10
namename
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sadist and the likes.
If X resents when the X sees others get what they deserve/don't deserve, then I'd like to address X as a sadist.
I am jealousy when you've got something I don't have.
I am a sadist if I feel bad when you've got something I do have.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 14:10
namename
1
add a comment |
sadist and the likes.
If X resents when the X sees others get what they deserve/don't deserve, then I'd like to address X as a sadist.
I am jealousy when you've got something I don't have.
I am a sadist if I feel bad when you've got something I do have.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 14:10
namename
1
sadist and the likes.
If X resents when the X sees others get what they deserve/don't deserve, then I'd like to address X as a sadist.
I am jealousy when you've got something I don't have.
I am a sadist if I feel bad when you've got something I do have.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 14:10
namename
1
answered Aug 19 '14 at 14:10
namename
1
answered Aug 19 '14 at 14:10
namename
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answered Aug 19 '14 at 14:10
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indignant (Webster): feeling or showing anger because of something that is unfair or wrong : very angry
This seems appropriate as it seems what you are after is a way to express that your sense of justice has been violated.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 16:10
KevinKevin
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Welcome to EL&U. Please take some time to review the help center for guidance on submitting good answers. You should, at the least, cite a source for this definition.
– choster
Aug 19 '14 at 16:14
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indignant (Webster): feeling or showing anger because of something that is unfair or wrong : very angry
This seems appropriate as it seems what you are after is a way to express that your sense of justice has been violated.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 16:10
KevinKevin
101
Welcome to EL&U. Please take some time to review the help center for guidance on submitting good answers. You should, at the least, cite a source for this definition.
– choster
Aug 19 '14 at 16:14
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indignant (Webster): feeling or showing anger because of something that is unfair or wrong : very angry
This seems appropriate as it seems what you are after is a way to express that your sense of justice has been violated.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 16:10
KevinKevin
101
indignant (Webster): feeling or showing anger because of something that is unfair or wrong : very angry
This seems appropriate as it seems what you are after is a way to express that your sense of justice has been violated.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 16:10
KevinKevin
101
answered Aug 19 '14 at 16:10
KevinKevin
101
answered Aug 19 '14 at 16:10
KevinKevin
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answered Aug 19 '14 at 16:10
KevinKevin
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Welcome to EL&U. Please take some time to review the help center for guidance on submitting good answers. You should, at the least, cite a source for this definition.
– choster
Aug 19 '14 at 16:14
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Welcome to EL&U. Please take some time to review the help center for guidance on submitting good answers. You should, at the least, cite a source for this definition.
– choster
Aug 19 '14 at 16:14
Welcome to EL&U. Please take some time to review the help center for guidance on submitting good answers. You should, at the least, cite a source for this definition.
– choster
Aug 19 '14 at 16:14
Welcome to EL&U. Please take some time to review the help center for guidance on submitting good answers. You should, at the least, cite a source for this definition.
– choster
Aug 19 '14 at 16:14
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"Envy" and "jealousy" are perfectly correct here.
You're envious that some person has received something that you have rationalized he's not entitled to have, because you think he's "crappy".
I don't want to go too deep as to why one could mentally gesticulate himself into envy in this manner, but how can one be the judge of someone else's life like this? How certain are you of what they deserve and don't deserve.
Petty vindictiveness isn't an emotion, but they describe well how people think and behave when the feel the emotions of envy and jealously.
Might toss in the emotion called "anger" here too... and it this case, misdirected anger.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 17:16
Fred SmithFred Smith
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"Envy" and "jealousy" are perfectly correct here.
You're envious that some person has received something that you have rationalized he's not entitled to have, because you think he's "crappy".
I don't want to go too deep as to why one could mentally gesticulate himself into envy in this manner, but how can one be the judge of someone else's life like this? How certain are you of what they deserve and don't deserve.
Petty vindictiveness isn't an emotion, but they describe well how people think and behave when the feel the emotions of envy and jealously.
Might toss in the emotion called "anger" here too... and it this case, misdirected anger.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 17:16
Fred SmithFred Smith
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add a comment |
"Envy" and "jealousy" are perfectly correct here.
You're envious that some person has received something that you have rationalized he's not entitled to have, because you think he's "crappy".
I don't want to go too deep as to why one could mentally gesticulate himself into envy in this manner, but how can one be the judge of someone else's life like this? How certain are you of what they deserve and don't deserve.
Petty vindictiveness isn't an emotion, but they describe well how people think and behave when the feel the emotions of envy and jealously.
Might toss in the emotion called "anger" here too... and it this case, misdirected anger.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 17:16
Fred SmithFred Smith
11
"Envy" and "jealousy" are perfectly correct here.
You're envious that some person has received something that you have rationalized he's not entitled to have, because you think he's "crappy".
I don't want to go too deep as to why one could mentally gesticulate himself into envy in this manner, but how can one be the judge of someone else's life like this? How certain are you of what they deserve and don't deserve.
Petty vindictiveness isn't an emotion, but they describe well how people think and behave when the feel the emotions of envy and jealously.
Might toss in the emotion called "anger" here too... and it this case, misdirected anger.
answered Aug 19 '14 at 17:16
Fred SmithFred Smith
11
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answered Aug 19 '14 at 17:16
Fred SmithFred Smith
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answered Aug 19 '14 at 17:16
Fred SmithFred Smith
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answered Aug 19 '14 at 17:16
Fred SmithFred Smith
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"Every time a friend succeeds, I die a little." - Gore Vidal
I think the above quote embodies the feeling the original poster was trying to capture. To say you don't think somebody deserves it isn't quite capturing the malcontent behind the feeling. It is almost based in insecurity and self-loathing. I almost think the only word we have for it is 'hater.' Although I would like to see something a little more creative.
answered Feb 11 '16 at 1:07
thevadgethevadge
1
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"Every time a friend succeeds, I die a little." - Gore Vidal
I think the above quote embodies the feeling the original poster was trying to capture. To say you don't think somebody deserves it isn't quite capturing the malcontent behind the feeling. It is almost based in insecurity and self-loathing. I almost think the only word we have for it is 'hater.' Although I would like to see something a little more creative.
answered Feb 11 '16 at 1:07
thevadgethevadge
1
add a comment |
"Every time a friend succeeds, I die a little." - Gore Vidal
I think the above quote embodies the feeling the original poster was trying to capture. To say you don't think somebody deserves it isn't quite capturing the malcontent behind the feeling. It is almost based in insecurity and self-loathing. I almost think the only word we have for it is 'hater.' Although I would like to see something a little more creative.
answered Feb 11 '16 at 1:07
thevadgethevadge
1
"Every time a friend succeeds, I die a little." - Gore Vidal
I think the above quote embodies the feeling the original poster was trying to capture. To say you don't think somebody deserves it isn't quite capturing the malcontent behind the feeling. It is almost based in insecurity and self-loathing. I almost think the only word we have for it is 'hater.' Although I would like to see something a little more creative.
answered Feb 11 '16 at 1:07
thevadgethevadge
1
answered Feb 11 '16 at 1:07
thevadgethevadge
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answered Feb 11 '16 at 1:07
thevadgethevadge
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There's a loan word "schadenfreude" which means the desire that the life of others become worse, instead of own life becoming better.
I don't know if it's exactly the same situation as you mean, but it would be appropriate, for example, if you have 2 cars, your neighbour has only 1, but you'd rather him have none, because you think he doesn't deserver any at all (because you're sooo much better then him).
answered Aug 18 '14 at 11:40
Danubian SailorDanubian Sailor
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No. Schadenfreude means you are happy when something bad happens to someone, which is not the same as being unhappy when something good happens to them. If my girlfriend has cheated on me, I may experience schadenfreude when her new boyfriend cheats on her, but that doesn't mean I am in any way feeling bad that she wins a car.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 11:48
But well, if you're unhappy because someone is happy, it is like a schadenfreude (even if it's not exactly the same). If your girlfriend cheats on you, and you're unhappy because your neighbour has a faithful wife, I'd say, it's a schadenfreude.
– Danubian Sailor
Aug 18 '14 at 11:56
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You are taking grand liberties with the word. Schade is damage or pain, freude is joy or happiness. You can of course just apply the word as meaning the exact opposite of what it means in German, but I for one won't readily understand what you mean. It's like saying you are happy that it's sunny — and from the fact it is raining outside, I have to understand you actually mean you are sad that it is raining.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 12:17
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@oerkelens, Perhaps freudenschade would work? :-)
– Hellion
Aug 18 '14 at 17:12
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There's a loan word "schadenfreude" which means the desire that the life of others become worse, instead of own life becoming better.
I don't know if it's exactly the same situation as you mean, but it would be appropriate, for example, if you have 2 cars, your neighbour has only 1, but you'd rather him have none, because you think he doesn't deserver any at all (because you're sooo much better then him).
answered Aug 18 '14 at 11:40
Danubian SailorDanubian Sailor
91931230
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No. Schadenfreude means you are happy when something bad happens to someone, which is not the same as being unhappy when something good happens to them. If my girlfriend has cheated on me, I may experience schadenfreude when her new boyfriend cheats on her, but that doesn't mean I am in any way feeling bad that she wins a car.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 11:48
But well, if you're unhappy because someone is happy, it is like a schadenfreude (even if it's not exactly the same). If your girlfriend cheats on you, and you're unhappy because your neighbour has a faithful wife, I'd say, it's a schadenfreude.
– Danubian Sailor
Aug 18 '14 at 11:56
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You are taking grand liberties with the word. Schade is damage or pain, freude is joy or happiness. You can of course just apply the word as meaning the exact opposite of what it means in German, but I for one won't readily understand what you mean. It's like saying you are happy that it's sunny — and from the fact it is raining outside, I have to understand you actually mean you are sad that it is raining.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 12:17
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@oerkelens, Perhaps freudenschade would work? :-)
– Hellion
Aug 18 '14 at 17:12
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There's a loan word "schadenfreude" which means the desire that the life of others become worse, instead of own life becoming better.
I don't know if it's exactly the same situation as you mean, but it would be appropriate, for example, if you have 2 cars, your neighbour has only 1, but you'd rather him have none, because you think he doesn't deserver any at all (because you're sooo much better then him).
answered Aug 18 '14 at 11:40
Danubian SailorDanubian Sailor
91931230
There's a loan word "schadenfreude" which means the desire that the life of others become worse, instead of own life becoming better.
I don't know if it's exactly the same situation as you mean, but it would be appropriate, for example, if you have 2 cars, your neighbour has only 1, but you'd rather him have none, because you think he doesn't deserver any at all (because you're sooo much better then him).
answered Aug 18 '14 at 11:40
Danubian SailorDanubian Sailor
91931230
answered Aug 18 '14 at 11:40
Danubian SailorDanubian Sailor
91931230
answered Aug 18 '14 at 11:40
Danubian SailorDanubian Sailor
91931230
answered Aug 18 '14 at 11:40
Danubian SailorDanubian Sailor
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No. Schadenfreude means you are happy when something bad happens to someone, which is not the same as being unhappy when something good happens to them. If my girlfriend has cheated on me, I may experience schadenfreude when her new boyfriend cheats on her, but that doesn't mean I am in any way feeling bad that she wins a car.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 11:48
But well, if you're unhappy because someone is happy, it is like a schadenfreude (even if it's not exactly the same). If your girlfriend cheats on you, and you're unhappy because your neighbour has a faithful wife, I'd say, it's a schadenfreude.
– Danubian Sailor
Aug 18 '14 at 11:56
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You are taking grand liberties with the word. Schade is damage or pain, freude is joy or happiness. You can of course just apply the word as meaning the exact opposite of what it means in German, but I for one won't readily understand what you mean. It's like saying you are happy that it's sunny — and from the fact it is raining outside, I have to understand you actually mean you are sad that it is raining.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 12:17
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@oerkelens, Perhaps freudenschade would work? :-)
– Hellion
Aug 18 '14 at 17:12
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No. Schadenfreude means you are happy when something bad happens to someone, which is not the same as being unhappy when something good happens to them. If my girlfriend has cheated on me, I may experience schadenfreude when her new boyfriend cheats on her, but that doesn't mean I am in any way feeling bad that she wins a car.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 11:48
But well, if you're unhappy because someone is happy, it is like a schadenfreude (even if it's not exactly the same). If your girlfriend cheats on you, and you're unhappy because your neighbour has a faithful wife, I'd say, it's a schadenfreude.
– Danubian Sailor
Aug 18 '14 at 11:56
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You are taking grand liberties with the word. Schade is damage or pain, freude is joy or happiness. You can of course just apply the word as meaning the exact opposite of what it means in German, but I for one won't readily understand what you mean. It's like saying you are happy that it's sunny — and from the fact it is raining outside, I have to understand you actually mean you are sad that it is raining.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 12:17
2
@oerkelens, Perhaps freudenschade would work? :-)
– Hellion
Aug 18 '14 at 17:12
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No. Schadenfreude means you are happy when something bad happens to someone, which is not the same as being unhappy when something good happens to them. If my girlfriend has cheated on me, I may experience schadenfreude when her new boyfriend cheats on her, but that doesn't mean I am in any way feeling bad that she wins a car.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 11:48
No. Schadenfreude means you are happy when something bad happens to someone, which is not the same as being unhappy when something good happens to them. If my girlfriend has cheated on me, I may experience schadenfreude when her new boyfriend cheats on her, but that doesn't mean I am in any way feeling bad that she wins a car.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 11:48
But well, if you're unhappy because someone is happy, it is like a schadenfreude (even if it's not exactly the same). If your girlfriend cheats on you, and you're unhappy because your neighbour has a faithful wife, I'd say, it's a schadenfreude.
– Danubian Sailor
Aug 18 '14 at 11:56
But well, if you're unhappy because someone is happy, it is like a schadenfreude (even if it's not exactly the same). If your girlfriend cheats on you, and you're unhappy because your neighbour has a faithful wife, I'd say, it's a schadenfreude.
– Danubian Sailor
Aug 18 '14 at 11:56
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6
You are taking grand liberties with the word. Schade is damage or pain, freude is joy or happiness. You can of course just apply the word as meaning the exact opposite of what it means in German, but I for one won't readily understand what you mean. It's like saying you are happy that it's sunny — and from the fact it is raining outside, I have to understand you actually mean you are sad that it is raining.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 12:17
You are taking grand liberties with the word. Schade is damage or pain, freude is joy or happiness. You can of course just apply the word as meaning the exact opposite of what it means in German, but I for one won't readily understand what you mean. It's like saying you are happy that it's sunny — and from the fact it is raining outside, I have to understand you actually mean you are sad that it is raining.
– oerkelens
Aug 18 '14 at 12:17
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2
@oerkelens, Perhaps freudenschade would work? :-)
– Hellion
Aug 18 '14 at 17:12
@oerkelens, Perhaps freudenschade would work? :-)
– Hellion
Aug 18 '14 at 17:12
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What about Irony ? I know it's not what you're looking for, but if you think about it, your ideal reaction should only go as far as appearing to you as ironic that someone has got something good when you don't think they deserve it. But you never know all the facts, you don't even know that the new car is actually good for them. So I would go for "it's ironic that he has won a new car when he's actually a dreadful person that poisons my fish and plays loud music".
Technically this feeling you're looking to describe is not really an emotion as such, but an attitude developed as a reaction to an emotion of anger. We only have a few "pure" emotions, but lots of varying attitudes.
Hope this at least provides a bit of food for thought.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 13:00
user88568user88568
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Irony is not even an emotion, it's a technique or state of affairs. It may or may not be ironic that the person has a new car when they don't deserve it, but the question is asking about the feeling associated with resenting them having it, ironic or not. If you know that it is not what the question is looking for, then don't give it as an answer ;)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:05
It's correct that this doesn't directly answer the question, but I can see the point being made. There is likely to be irony in the situation that the OP describes and it's still a useful answer.
– zooone9243
Aug 19 '14 at 1:25
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What about Irony ? I know it's not what you're looking for, but if you think about it, your ideal reaction should only go as far as appearing to you as ironic that someone has got something good when you don't think they deserve it. But you never know all the facts, you don't even know that the new car is actually good for them. So I would go for "it's ironic that he has won a new car when he's actually a dreadful person that poisons my fish and plays loud music".
Technically this feeling you're looking to describe is not really an emotion as such, but an attitude developed as a reaction to an emotion of anger. We only have a few "pure" emotions, but lots of varying attitudes.
Hope this at least provides a bit of food for thought.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 13:00
user88568user88568
11
Irony is not even an emotion, it's a technique or state of affairs. It may or may not be ironic that the person has a new car when they don't deserve it, but the question is asking about the feeling associated with resenting them having it, ironic or not. If you know that it is not what the question is looking for, then don't give it as an answer ;)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:05
It's correct that this doesn't directly answer the question, but I can see the point being made. There is likely to be irony in the situation that the OP describes and it's still a useful answer.
– zooone9243
Aug 19 '14 at 1:25
add a comment |
What about Irony ? I know it's not what you're looking for, but if you think about it, your ideal reaction should only go as far as appearing to you as ironic that someone has got something good when you don't think they deserve it. But you never know all the facts, you don't even know that the new car is actually good for them. So I would go for "it's ironic that he has won a new car when he's actually a dreadful person that poisons my fish and plays loud music".
Technically this feeling you're looking to describe is not really an emotion as such, but an attitude developed as a reaction to an emotion of anger. We only have a few "pure" emotions, but lots of varying attitudes.
Hope this at least provides a bit of food for thought.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 13:00
user88568user88568
11
What about Irony ? I know it's not what you're looking for, but if you think about it, your ideal reaction should only go as far as appearing to you as ironic that someone has got something good when you don't think they deserve it. But you never know all the facts, you don't even know that the new car is actually good for them. So I would go for "it's ironic that he has won a new car when he's actually a dreadful person that poisons my fish and plays loud music".
Technically this feeling you're looking to describe is not really an emotion as such, but an attitude developed as a reaction to an emotion of anger. We only have a few "pure" emotions, but lots of varying attitudes.
Hope this at least provides a bit of food for thought.
answered Aug 18 '14 at 13:00
user88568user88568
11
answered Aug 18 '14 at 13:00
user88568user88568
11
answered Aug 18 '14 at 13:00
user88568user88568
11
answered Aug 18 '14 at 13:00
user88568user88568
11
11
Irony is not even an emotion, it's a technique or state of affairs. It may or may not be ironic that the person has a new car when they don't deserve it, but the question is asking about the feeling associated with resenting them having it, ironic or not. If you know that it is not what the question is looking for, then don't give it as an answer ;)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:05
It's correct that this doesn't directly answer the question, but I can see the point being made. There is likely to be irony in the situation that the OP describes and it's still a useful answer.
– zooone9243
Aug 19 '14 at 1:25
add a comment |
Irony is not even an emotion, it's a technique or state of affairs. It may or may not be ironic that the person has a new car when they don't deserve it, but the question is asking about the feeling associated with resenting them having it, ironic or not. If you know that it is not what the question is looking for, then don't give it as an answer ;)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:05
It's correct that this doesn't directly answer the question, but I can see the point being made. There is likely to be irony in the situation that the OP describes and it's still a useful answer.
– zooone9243
Aug 19 '14 at 1:25
Irony is not even an emotion, it's a technique or state of affairs. It may or may not be ironic that the person has a new car when they don't deserve it, but the question is asking about the feeling associated with resenting them having it, ironic or not. If you know that it is not what the question is looking for, then don't give it as an answer ;)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:05
Irony is not even an emotion, it's a technique or state of affairs. It may or may not be ironic that the person has a new car when they don't deserve it, but the question is asking about the feeling associated with resenting them having it, ironic or not. If you know that it is not what the question is looking for, then don't give it as an answer ;)
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:05
It's correct that this doesn't directly answer the question, but I can see the point being made. There is likely to be irony in the situation that the OP describes and it's still a useful answer.
– zooone9243
Aug 19 '14 at 1:25
It's correct that this doesn't directly answer the question, but I can see the point being made. There is likely to be irony in the situation that the OP describes and it's still a useful answer.
– zooone9243
Aug 19 '14 at 1:25
add a comment |
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'Jealousy' and 'envy' are synonymous (ie are, on occasion, interchangeable). The 'centres of gravity' of the ranges of their senses may differ, but it would be wrong to see them as non-overlapping. Although the usage notes given by RHK Webster's argues for this disjointness, their first definition of 'envy' contradicts their argument.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 18 '14 at 7:50
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Whether or not he deserves a new car is immaterial. The OP is asking about the feeling associated with believing he does not deserve it and resenting that.
– GreenAsJade
Aug 18 '14 at 13:06
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'Pettiness' comes the closest in my opinion.
– user88630
Aug 19 '14 at 3:11
@EdwinAshworth No they're not! 'Jealous' is incorrectly used as though it is a synonym of 'envious', but it is not. One is jealous of something oneself has, but envious of another.
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:14
@BallardHill That's a completely different tone and only works when talking about someone else. You wouldn't say "I feel petty for his new car"..
– OJFord
Aug 19 '14 at 12:16