The Newjersey Turnpike
In pronunciation of the name of the New Jersey Turnpike, there is no stress in either syllable of the word "Jersey," as though New Jersey were actually one word. Is this a common phenomenon that occurs in other situations? Not necessarily restricted to the words New Jersey specifically.
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In pronunciation of the name of the New Jersey Turnpike, there is no stress in either syllable of the word "Jersey," as though New Jersey were actually one word. Is this a common phenomenon that occurs in other situations? Not necessarily restricted to the words New Jersey specifically.
pronunciation phonology
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Matt SamuelMatt Samuel
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You don't put the stress on the first syllable of Jersey?
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
@Casc Not in the name of that road. Certainly when saying the name of the state, yes.
– Matt Samuel
8 hours ago
1
I don't understand...what is the difference? I think this is possibly localized.
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
3
Any term such as "New Jersey Turnpike" which is repeated often (and often rapidly) and whose meaning is clear, without having to carefully parse each syllable, will tend, over time, to be run together, with the individual syllables and words losing emphasis. There's absolutely nothing remarkable about this (and because of it there is a Santa Claus).
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
1
According to this page the stress for place name compounds goes on the last word, so adding "Turnpike" to "New Jersey" would move the stress from "Jersey" to "Turnpike". P.S. now I have a sudden urge to rewatch Being John Malkovich :)
– samgak
5 hours ago
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In pronunciation of the name of the New Jersey Turnpike, there is no stress in either syllable of the word "Jersey," as though New Jersey were actually one word. Is this a common phenomenon that occurs in other situations? Not necessarily restricted to the words New Jersey specifically.
pronunciation phonology
asked 8 hours ago
Matt SamuelMatt Samuel
355213
In pronunciation of the name of the New Jersey Turnpike, there is no stress in either syllable of the word "Jersey," as though New Jersey were actually one word. Is this a common phenomenon that occurs in other situations? Not necessarily restricted to the words New Jersey specifically.
pronunciation phonology
pronunciation phonology
asked 8 hours ago
Matt SamuelMatt Samuel
355213
asked 8 hours ago
Matt SamuelMatt Samuel
355213
asked 8 hours ago
Matt SamuelMatt Samuel
355213
asked 8 hours ago
Matt SamuelMatt Samuel
355213
asked 8 hours ago
Matt SamuelMatt Samuel
355213
355213
2
You don't put the stress on the first syllable of Jersey?
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
@Casc Not in the name of that road. Certainly when saying the name of the state, yes.
– Matt Samuel
8 hours ago
1
I don't understand...what is the difference? I think this is possibly localized.
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
3
Any term such as "New Jersey Turnpike" which is repeated often (and often rapidly) and whose meaning is clear, without having to carefully parse each syllable, will tend, over time, to be run together, with the individual syllables and words losing emphasis. There's absolutely nothing remarkable about this (and because of it there is a Santa Claus).
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
1
According to this page the stress for place name compounds goes on the last word, so adding "Turnpike" to "New Jersey" would move the stress from "Jersey" to "Turnpike". P.S. now I have a sudden urge to rewatch Being John Malkovich :)
– samgak
5 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
2
You don't put the stress on the first syllable of Jersey?
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
@Casc Not in the name of that road. Certainly when saying the name of the state, yes.
– Matt Samuel
8 hours ago
1
I don't understand...what is the difference? I think this is possibly localized.
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
3
Any term such as "New Jersey Turnpike" which is repeated often (and often rapidly) and whose meaning is clear, without having to carefully parse each syllable, will tend, over time, to be run together, with the individual syllables and words losing emphasis. There's absolutely nothing remarkable about this (and because of it there is a Santa Claus).
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
1
According to this page the stress for place name compounds goes on the last word, so adding "Turnpike" to "New Jersey" would move the stress from "Jersey" to "Turnpike". P.S. now I have a sudden urge to rewatch Being John Malkovich :)
– samgak
5 hours ago
2
2
You don't put the stress on the first syllable of Jersey?
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
You don't put the stress on the first syllable of Jersey?
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
@Casc Not in the name of that road. Certainly when saying the name of the state, yes.
– Matt Samuel
8 hours ago
@Casc Not in the name of that road. Certainly when saying the name of the state, yes.
– Matt Samuel
8 hours ago
1
1
I don't understand...what is the difference? I think this is possibly localized.
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
I don't understand...what is the difference? I think this is possibly localized.
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
3
3
Any term such as "New Jersey Turnpike" which is repeated often (and often rapidly) and whose meaning is clear, without having to carefully parse each syllable, will tend, over time, to be run together, with the individual syllables and words losing emphasis. There's absolutely nothing remarkable about this (and because of it there is a Santa Claus).
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
Any term such as "New Jersey Turnpike" which is repeated often (and often rapidly) and whose meaning is clear, without having to carefully parse each syllable, will tend, over time, to be run together, with the individual syllables and words losing emphasis. There's absolutely nothing remarkable about this (and because of it there is a Santa Claus).
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
1
1
According to this page the stress for place name compounds goes on the last word, so adding "Turnpike" to "New Jersey" would move the stress from "Jersey" to "Turnpike". P.S. now I have a sudden urge to rewatch Being John Malkovich :)
– samgak
5 hours ago
According to this page the stress for place name compounds goes on the last word, so adding "Turnpike" to "New Jersey" would move the stress from "Jersey" to "Turnpike". P.S. now I have a sudden urge to rewatch Being John Malkovich :)
– samgak
5 hours ago
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That's interesting. I can't think of an exactly parallel example, but it I am familiar with a phenomenon where a stressed syllable that comes immediately before a word starting with a stressed syllable becomes "unaccented". For example, New York is often pronounced with the primary stress or accent on the last syllable ("York"), but in "New York City" there is an accent on the first syllable of "City", and as a result there may be no accent on "York". Another example is that "Chinese" as a stand-alone word is typically accented on the last syllable, but that accent might be lost in a phrase like "Chinese media".
It may be that for some speakers (or some specific phrases), an accent may be lost in longer phrases like this even when it is not on a syllable immediately preceding the accented syllable of the next word.
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To get from NYC to Philly, most people take the "Noojersey Turnpike," thereby realizing the joy of parsimony that dactyls offer over iambs. Thus, Simon and Garfunkel sang of "counting the cars on the Noojersey Turnpike."
In other contexts, the pronunciation may be different. The Noojersey Turnpike is a way to get from here to there, whereas "the newJERSey Turnpike" is the name of a major toll road in the USA. As a very rough rule of thumb, I think the use/mention distinction applies. People tend to use the dactylic version but mention the iambic.
answered 7 hours ago
remarklremarkl
2998
I have indeed thought before that that is a more accurate spelling.
– Matt Samuel
7 hours ago
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That's interesting. I can't think of an exactly parallel example, but it I am familiar with a phenomenon where a stressed syllable that comes immediately before a word starting with a stressed syllable becomes "unaccented". For example, New York is often pronounced with the primary stress or accent on the last syllable ("York"), but in "New York City" there is an accent on the first syllable of "City", and as a result there may be no accent on "York". Another example is that "Chinese" as a stand-alone word is typically accented on the last syllable, but that accent might be lost in a phrase like "Chinese media".
It may be that for some speakers (or some specific phrases), an accent may be lost in longer phrases like this even when it is not on a syllable immediately preceding the accented syllable of the next word.
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That's interesting. I can't think of an exactly parallel example, but it I am familiar with a phenomenon where a stressed syllable that comes immediately before a word starting with a stressed syllable becomes "unaccented". For example, New York is often pronounced with the primary stress or accent on the last syllable ("York"), but in "New York City" there is an accent on the first syllable of "City", and as a result there may be no accent on "York". Another example is that "Chinese" as a stand-alone word is typically accented on the last syllable, but that accent might be lost in a phrase like "Chinese media".
It may be that for some speakers (or some specific phrases), an accent may be lost in longer phrases like this even when it is not on a syllable immediately preceding the accented syllable of the next word.
answered 8 hours ago
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That's interesting. I can't think of an exactly parallel example, but it I am familiar with a phenomenon where a stressed syllable that comes immediately before a word starting with a stressed syllable becomes "unaccented". For example, New York is often pronounced with the primary stress or accent on the last syllable ("York"), but in "New York City" there is an accent on the first syllable of "City", and as a result there may be no accent on "York". Another example is that "Chinese" as a stand-alone word is typically accented on the last syllable, but that accent might be lost in a phrase like "Chinese media".
It may be that for some speakers (or some specific phrases), an accent may be lost in longer phrases like this even when it is not on a syllable immediately preceding the accented syllable of the next word.
answered 8 hours ago
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That's interesting. I can't think of an exactly parallel example, but it I am familiar with a phenomenon where a stressed syllable that comes immediately before a word starting with a stressed syllable becomes "unaccented". For example, New York is often pronounced with the primary stress or accent on the last syllable ("York"), but in "New York City" there is an accent on the first syllable of "City", and as a result there may be no accent on "York". Another example is that "Chinese" as a stand-alone word is typically accented on the last syllable, but that accent might be lost in a phrase like "Chinese media".
It may be that for some speakers (or some specific phrases), an accent may be lost in longer phrases like this even when it is not on a syllable immediately preceding the accented syllable of the next word.
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To get from NYC to Philly, most people take the "Noojersey Turnpike," thereby realizing the joy of parsimony that dactyls offer over iambs. Thus, Simon and Garfunkel sang of "counting the cars on the Noojersey Turnpike."
In other contexts, the pronunciation may be different. The Noojersey Turnpike is a way to get from here to there, whereas "the newJERSey Turnpike" is the name of a major toll road in the USA. As a very rough rule of thumb, I think the use/mention distinction applies. People tend to use the dactylic version but mention the iambic.
answered 7 hours ago
remarklremarkl
2998
I have indeed thought before that that is a more accurate spelling.
– Matt Samuel
7 hours ago
add a comment |
To get from NYC to Philly, most people take the "Noojersey Turnpike," thereby realizing the joy of parsimony that dactyls offer over iambs. Thus, Simon and Garfunkel sang of "counting the cars on the Noojersey Turnpike."
In other contexts, the pronunciation may be different. The Noojersey Turnpike is a way to get from here to there, whereas "the newJERSey Turnpike" is the name of a major toll road in the USA. As a very rough rule of thumb, I think the use/mention distinction applies. People tend to use the dactylic version but mention the iambic.
answered 7 hours ago
remarklremarkl
2998
I have indeed thought before that that is a more accurate spelling.
– Matt Samuel
7 hours ago
add a comment |
To get from NYC to Philly, most people take the "Noojersey Turnpike," thereby realizing the joy of parsimony that dactyls offer over iambs. Thus, Simon and Garfunkel sang of "counting the cars on the Noojersey Turnpike."
In other contexts, the pronunciation may be different. The Noojersey Turnpike is a way to get from here to there, whereas "the newJERSey Turnpike" is the name of a major toll road in the USA. As a very rough rule of thumb, I think the use/mention distinction applies. People tend to use the dactylic version but mention the iambic.
answered 7 hours ago
remarklremarkl
2998
To get from NYC to Philly, most people take the "Noojersey Turnpike," thereby realizing the joy of parsimony that dactyls offer over iambs. Thus, Simon and Garfunkel sang of "counting the cars on the Noojersey Turnpike."
In other contexts, the pronunciation may be different. The Noojersey Turnpike is a way to get from here to there, whereas "the newJERSey Turnpike" is the name of a major toll road in the USA. As a very rough rule of thumb, I think the use/mention distinction applies. People tend to use the dactylic version but mention the iambic.
answered 7 hours ago
remarklremarkl
2998
answered 7 hours ago
remarklremarkl
2998
answered 7 hours ago
remarklremarkl
2998
answered 7 hours ago
remarklremarkl
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2998
I have indeed thought before that that is a more accurate spelling.
– Matt Samuel
7 hours ago
add a comment |
I have indeed thought before that that is a more accurate spelling.
– Matt Samuel
7 hours ago
I have indeed thought before that that is a more accurate spelling.
– Matt Samuel
7 hours ago
I have indeed thought before that that is a more accurate spelling.
– Matt Samuel
7 hours ago
add a comment |
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You don't put the stress on the first syllable of Jersey?
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
@Casc Not in the name of that road. Certainly when saying the name of the state, yes.
– Matt Samuel
8 hours ago
1
I don't understand...what is the difference? I think this is possibly localized.
– Cascabel
8 hours ago
3
Any term such as "New Jersey Turnpike" which is repeated often (and often rapidly) and whose meaning is clear, without having to carefully parse each syllable, will tend, over time, to be run together, with the individual syllables and words losing emphasis. There's absolutely nothing remarkable about this (and because of it there is a Santa Claus).
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
1
According to this page the stress for place name compounds goes on the last word, so adding "Turnpike" to "New Jersey" would move the stress from "Jersey" to "Turnpike". P.S. now I have a sudden urge to rewatch Being John Malkovich :)
– samgak
5 hours ago