What are the Advantages of using Kubernetes Ingress in Azure AKS












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My understanding is that setting the Service type to LoadBalancer creates a new Azure Load Balancer and assigns an IP address to the Service. Does this mean that I can have multiple Services using port 80? If the app behind my Service (an ASP.NET Core app) can handle TLS and HTTPS why shouldn't I just use LoadBalancer's for any Service I want to expose to the internet?



What is the advantage of using an Ingress if I don't care about TLS termination (You can let Cloudflare handle TLS termination)? If anything, it slows things down by adding an extra hop for every request.



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Some answers below mention that creating load balancers is costly. It should be noted that load balancers on Azure are free but they do charge for IP addresses of which they give you five for free. So for small projects where you want to expose up to five IP addresses, it's essentially free. Any more than that, then you may want to look ad usign Ingress.



Some answers also mention extra complexity if you don't use Ingress. I have already mentioned that Cloudflare can handle TLS termination for me. I've also discovered the external-dns Kubernetes project to create DNS entries in Cloudflare pointing at the load balancers IP address? It seems to me that cutting out Ingress reduces complexity as it's one less thing that I have to configure and manage. The choice of Ingress is also massive, it's likely that I'll pick the wrong one which will end up unmaintained after some time.










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    My understanding is that setting the Service type to LoadBalancer creates a new Azure Load Balancer and assigns an IP address to the Service. Does this mean that I can have multiple Services using port 80? If the app behind my Service (an ASP.NET Core app) can handle TLS and HTTPS why shouldn't I just use LoadBalancer's for any Service I want to expose to the internet?



    What is the advantage of using an Ingress if I don't care about TLS termination (You can let Cloudflare handle TLS termination)? If anything, it slows things down by adding an extra hop for every request.



    Update



    Some answers below mention that creating load balancers is costly. It should be noted that load balancers on Azure are free but they do charge for IP addresses of which they give you five for free. So for small projects where you want to expose up to five IP addresses, it's essentially free. Any more than that, then you may want to look ad usign Ingress.



    Some answers also mention extra complexity if you don't use Ingress. I have already mentioned that Cloudflare can handle TLS termination for me. I've also discovered the external-dns Kubernetes project to create DNS entries in Cloudflare pointing at the load balancers IP address? It seems to me that cutting out Ingress reduces complexity as it's one less thing that I have to configure and manage. The choice of Ingress is also massive, it's likely that I'll pick the wrong one which will end up unmaintained after some time.










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      My understanding is that setting the Service type to LoadBalancer creates a new Azure Load Balancer and assigns an IP address to the Service. Does this mean that I can have multiple Services using port 80? If the app behind my Service (an ASP.NET Core app) can handle TLS and HTTPS why shouldn't I just use LoadBalancer's for any Service I want to expose to the internet?



      What is the advantage of using an Ingress if I don't care about TLS termination (You can let Cloudflare handle TLS termination)? If anything, it slows things down by adding an extra hop for every request.



      Update



      Some answers below mention that creating load balancers is costly. It should be noted that load balancers on Azure are free but they do charge for IP addresses of which they give you five for free. So for small projects where you want to expose up to five IP addresses, it's essentially free. Any more than that, then you may want to look ad usign Ingress.



      Some answers also mention extra complexity if you don't use Ingress. I have already mentioned that Cloudflare can handle TLS termination for me. I've also discovered the external-dns Kubernetes project to create DNS entries in Cloudflare pointing at the load balancers IP address? It seems to me that cutting out Ingress reduces complexity as it's one less thing that I have to configure and manage. The choice of Ingress is also massive, it's likely that I'll pick the wrong one which will end up unmaintained after some time.










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      My understanding is that setting the Service type to LoadBalancer creates a new Azure Load Balancer and assigns an IP address to the Service. Does this mean that I can have multiple Services using port 80? If the app behind my Service (an ASP.NET Core app) can handle TLS and HTTPS why shouldn't I just use LoadBalancer's for any Service I want to expose to the internet?



      What is the advantage of using an Ingress if I don't care about TLS termination (You can let Cloudflare handle TLS termination)? If anything, it slows things down by adding an extra hop for every request.



      Update



      Some answers below mention that creating load balancers is costly. It should be noted that load balancers on Azure are free but they do charge for IP addresses of which they give you five for free. So for small projects where you want to expose up to five IP addresses, it's essentially free. Any more than that, then you may want to look ad usign Ingress.



      Some answers also mention extra complexity if you don't use Ingress. I have already mentioned that Cloudflare can handle TLS termination for me. I've also discovered the external-dns Kubernetes project to create DNS entries in Cloudflare pointing at the load balancers IP address? It seems to me that cutting out Ingress reduces complexity as it's one less thing that I have to configure and manage. The choice of Ingress is also massive, it's likely that I'll pick the wrong one which will end up unmaintained after some time.







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          No, you cant have multiple services listening on port 80, as load balancer wont know where to route them (ingress will, however). If you can affort to host each service on different port you could use load balancer. alternatively, if you have public ip for each service and different backend port on each service you can achieve this.



          quote: The protocol and port combination you entered matches another rule used by this load balancer. The protocol and port combination of each load balancing rule and inbound NAT rule on a load balancer must be unique.



          again, if you are a developer, you probably do not realize how much more convenient it is to manage certificate on ingress, and not on all individual containers that are supposed to be accessible






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          • But if the load balancer is a separate IP address, then in theory each can have it's own application on port 80. Could the load balancer route port 80 requests to Services on different ports?

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Nov 21 '18 at 16:11






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            yeah, with different backend ports that would work

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            Nov 21 '18 at 16:47











          • I'm guessing the only downside might be cost, I'm not sure how the pricing works out or what you pay for? On the upside, you would not be paying for the compute power to run the ingress containers. BTW, I thinking that you could use Cloudflare to do TLS termination. I suspect that this is the fastest, cheapest compromise when it comes to using Kubernetes.

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Nov 21 '18 at 17:12











          • nah, biggest downside is complexity. ip addresses cost almost nothing. managing certificates on different deployments would be a nightmare. and you'd have to code for that as well. makes no sense really

            – 4c74356b41
            Nov 21 '18 at 17:14






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            In Azure, every service of type LoadBalancer gets a new PublicIP attached to the one Load Balancer created when the first service of this type is created. So it's perfectly possible to expose multiple services on the same port.

            – alev
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:19



















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          There is a nice article here which describe the differences on Service(Load Balancer) and Ingress.



          In summary, you can have multiple Service(Load Balancer) in the cluster, where each application is exposed independently from each other. The main issue is that each Load Balancer added will increase the cost of your solution, and does not have to be this way, unless you strictly need this.



          If multiple applications listen on port 80, and they are inside the container, there is no reason you also need to map it to the port 80 in the host node. You can assign it to any port, because the Service will handle the dynamic port mappings for you.



          The ingress is best in this scenario, because you can have one ingress listing on port 80, and route the traffic to the right service based on many variables, like:




          • Domain

          • Url Path

          • Query String

          • And many other


          Ingress in not just for TLS termination, it is in simple terms a proxygateway that will control the routing to the right service, TLS termination is just one of the features.






          share|improve this answer
























          • The cost of Azure load balancers (Basic SKU) is £0, load balancers being expensive is not true for AKS. It is for AWS EKS and I'm not sure about Google GKE.

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Jan 8 at 9:04








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            Technically you are correct, but Azure you pay for the IPs and each public LB requires one IP to work, I think you have 5 free if I am not wrong!

            – Diego Mendes
            Jan 8 at 11:13











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          No, you cant have multiple services listening on port 80, as load balancer wont know where to route them (ingress will, however). If you can affort to host each service on different port you could use load balancer. alternatively, if you have public ip for each service and different backend port on each service you can achieve this.



          quote: The protocol and port combination you entered matches another rule used by this load balancer. The protocol and port combination of each load balancing rule and inbound NAT rule on a load balancer must be unique.



          again, if you are a developer, you probably do not realize how much more convenient it is to manage certificate on ingress, and not on all individual containers that are supposed to be accessible






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          • But if the load balancer is a separate IP address, then in theory each can have it's own application on port 80. Could the load balancer route port 80 requests to Services on different ports?

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Nov 21 '18 at 16:11






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            yeah, with different backend ports that would work

            – 4c74356b41
            Nov 21 '18 at 16:47











          • I'm guessing the only downside might be cost, I'm not sure how the pricing works out or what you pay for? On the upside, you would not be paying for the compute power to run the ingress containers. BTW, I thinking that you could use Cloudflare to do TLS termination. I suspect that this is the fastest, cheapest compromise when it comes to using Kubernetes.

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Nov 21 '18 at 17:12











          • nah, biggest downside is complexity. ip addresses cost almost nothing. managing certificates on different deployments would be a nightmare. and you'd have to code for that as well. makes no sense really

            – 4c74356b41
            Nov 21 '18 at 17:14






          • 1





            In Azure, every service of type LoadBalancer gets a new PublicIP attached to the one Load Balancer created when the first service of this type is created. So it's perfectly possible to expose multiple services on the same port.

            – alev
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:19
















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          No, you cant have multiple services listening on port 80, as load balancer wont know where to route them (ingress will, however). If you can affort to host each service on different port you could use load balancer. alternatively, if you have public ip for each service and different backend port on each service you can achieve this.



          quote: The protocol and port combination you entered matches another rule used by this load balancer. The protocol and port combination of each load balancing rule and inbound NAT rule on a load balancer must be unique.



          again, if you are a developer, you probably do not realize how much more convenient it is to manage certificate on ingress, and not on all individual containers that are supposed to be accessible






          share|improve this answer


























          • But if the load balancer is a separate IP address, then in theory each can have it's own application on port 80. Could the load balancer route port 80 requests to Services on different ports?

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Nov 21 '18 at 16:11






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            yeah, with different backend ports that would work

            – 4c74356b41
            Nov 21 '18 at 16:47











          • I'm guessing the only downside might be cost, I'm not sure how the pricing works out or what you pay for? On the upside, you would not be paying for the compute power to run the ingress containers. BTW, I thinking that you could use Cloudflare to do TLS termination. I suspect that this is the fastest, cheapest compromise when it comes to using Kubernetes.

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Nov 21 '18 at 17:12











          • nah, biggest downside is complexity. ip addresses cost almost nothing. managing certificates on different deployments would be a nightmare. and you'd have to code for that as well. makes no sense really

            – 4c74356b41
            Nov 21 '18 at 17:14






          • 1





            In Azure, every service of type LoadBalancer gets a new PublicIP attached to the one Load Balancer created when the first service of this type is created. So it's perfectly possible to expose multiple services on the same port.

            – alev
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:19














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          No, you cant have multiple services listening on port 80, as load balancer wont know where to route them (ingress will, however). If you can affort to host each service on different port you could use load balancer. alternatively, if you have public ip for each service and different backend port on each service you can achieve this.



          quote: The protocol and port combination you entered matches another rule used by this load balancer. The protocol and port combination of each load balancing rule and inbound NAT rule on a load balancer must be unique.



          again, if you are a developer, you probably do not realize how much more convenient it is to manage certificate on ingress, and not on all individual containers that are supposed to be accessible






          share|improve this answer















          No, you cant have multiple services listening on port 80, as load balancer wont know where to route them (ingress will, however). If you can affort to host each service on different port you could use load balancer. alternatively, if you have public ip for each service and different backend port on each service you can achieve this.



          quote: The protocol and port combination you entered matches another rule used by this load balancer. The protocol and port combination of each load balancing rule and inbound NAT rule on a load balancer must be unique.



          again, if you are a developer, you probably do not realize how much more convenient it is to manage certificate on ingress, and not on all individual containers that are supposed to be accessible







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          • But if the load balancer is a separate IP address, then in theory each can have it's own application on port 80. Could the load balancer route port 80 requests to Services on different ports?

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Nov 21 '18 at 16:11






          • 1





            yeah, with different backend ports that would work

            – 4c74356b41
            Nov 21 '18 at 16:47











          • I'm guessing the only downside might be cost, I'm not sure how the pricing works out or what you pay for? On the upside, you would not be paying for the compute power to run the ingress containers. BTW, I thinking that you could use Cloudflare to do TLS termination. I suspect that this is the fastest, cheapest compromise when it comes to using Kubernetes.

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Nov 21 '18 at 17:12











          • nah, biggest downside is complexity. ip addresses cost almost nothing. managing certificates on different deployments would be a nightmare. and you'd have to code for that as well. makes no sense really

            – 4c74356b41
            Nov 21 '18 at 17:14






          • 1





            In Azure, every service of type LoadBalancer gets a new PublicIP attached to the one Load Balancer created when the first service of this type is created. So it's perfectly possible to expose multiple services on the same port.

            – alev
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:19



















          • But if the load balancer is a separate IP address, then in theory each can have it's own application on port 80. Could the load balancer route port 80 requests to Services on different ports?

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Nov 21 '18 at 16:11






          • 1





            yeah, with different backend ports that would work

            – 4c74356b41
            Nov 21 '18 at 16:47











          • I'm guessing the only downside might be cost, I'm not sure how the pricing works out or what you pay for? On the upside, you would not be paying for the compute power to run the ingress containers. BTW, I thinking that you could use Cloudflare to do TLS termination. I suspect that this is the fastest, cheapest compromise when it comes to using Kubernetes.

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Nov 21 '18 at 17:12











          • nah, biggest downside is complexity. ip addresses cost almost nothing. managing certificates on different deployments would be a nightmare. and you'd have to code for that as well. makes no sense really

            – 4c74356b41
            Nov 21 '18 at 17:14






          • 1





            In Azure, every service of type LoadBalancer gets a new PublicIP attached to the one Load Balancer created when the first service of this type is created. So it's perfectly possible to expose multiple services on the same port.

            – alev
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:19

















          But if the load balancer is a separate IP address, then in theory each can have it's own application on port 80. Could the load balancer route port 80 requests to Services on different ports?

          – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
          Nov 21 '18 at 16:11





          But if the load balancer is a separate IP address, then in theory each can have it's own application on port 80. Could the load balancer route port 80 requests to Services on different ports?

          – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
          Nov 21 '18 at 16:11




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          yeah, with different backend ports that would work

          – 4c74356b41
          Nov 21 '18 at 16:47





          yeah, with different backend ports that would work

          – 4c74356b41
          Nov 21 '18 at 16:47













          I'm guessing the only downside might be cost, I'm not sure how the pricing works out or what you pay for? On the upside, you would not be paying for the compute power to run the ingress containers. BTW, I thinking that you could use Cloudflare to do TLS termination. I suspect that this is the fastest, cheapest compromise when it comes to using Kubernetes.

          – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
          Nov 21 '18 at 17:12





          I'm guessing the only downside might be cost, I'm not sure how the pricing works out or what you pay for? On the upside, you would not be paying for the compute power to run the ingress containers. BTW, I thinking that you could use Cloudflare to do TLS termination. I suspect that this is the fastest, cheapest compromise when it comes to using Kubernetes.

          – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
          Nov 21 '18 at 17:12













          nah, biggest downside is complexity. ip addresses cost almost nothing. managing certificates on different deployments would be a nightmare. and you'd have to code for that as well. makes no sense really

          – 4c74356b41
          Nov 21 '18 at 17:14





          nah, biggest downside is complexity. ip addresses cost almost nothing. managing certificates on different deployments would be a nightmare. and you'd have to code for that as well. makes no sense really

          – 4c74356b41
          Nov 21 '18 at 17:14




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          In Azure, every service of type LoadBalancer gets a new PublicIP attached to the one Load Balancer created when the first service of this type is created. So it's perfectly possible to expose multiple services on the same port.

          – alev
          Nov 21 '18 at 22:19





          In Azure, every service of type LoadBalancer gets a new PublicIP attached to the one Load Balancer created when the first service of this type is created. So it's perfectly possible to expose multiple services on the same port.

          – alev
          Nov 21 '18 at 22:19













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          +25









          There is a nice article here which describe the differences on Service(Load Balancer) and Ingress.



          In summary, you can have multiple Service(Load Balancer) in the cluster, where each application is exposed independently from each other. The main issue is that each Load Balancer added will increase the cost of your solution, and does not have to be this way, unless you strictly need this.



          If multiple applications listen on port 80, and they are inside the container, there is no reason you also need to map it to the port 80 in the host node. You can assign it to any port, because the Service will handle the dynamic port mappings for you.



          The ingress is best in this scenario, because you can have one ingress listing on port 80, and route the traffic to the right service based on many variables, like:




          • Domain

          • Url Path

          • Query String

          • And many other


          Ingress in not just for TLS termination, it is in simple terms a proxygateway that will control the routing to the right service, TLS termination is just one of the features.






          share|improve this answer
























          • The cost of Azure load balancers (Basic SKU) is £0, load balancers being expensive is not true for AKS. It is for AWS EKS and I'm not sure about Google GKE.

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Jan 8 at 9:04








          • 1





            Technically you are correct, but Azure you pay for the IPs and each public LB requires one IP to work, I think you have 5 free if I am not wrong!

            – Diego Mendes
            Jan 8 at 11:13
















          2





          +25









          There is a nice article here which describe the differences on Service(Load Balancer) and Ingress.



          In summary, you can have multiple Service(Load Balancer) in the cluster, where each application is exposed independently from each other. The main issue is that each Load Balancer added will increase the cost of your solution, and does not have to be this way, unless you strictly need this.



          If multiple applications listen on port 80, and they are inside the container, there is no reason you also need to map it to the port 80 in the host node. You can assign it to any port, because the Service will handle the dynamic port mappings for you.



          The ingress is best in this scenario, because you can have one ingress listing on port 80, and route the traffic to the right service based on many variables, like:




          • Domain

          • Url Path

          • Query String

          • And many other


          Ingress in not just for TLS termination, it is in simple terms a proxygateway that will control the routing to the right service, TLS termination is just one of the features.






          share|improve this answer
























          • The cost of Azure load balancers (Basic SKU) is £0, load balancers being expensive is not true for AKS. It is for AWS EKS and I'm not sure about Google GKE.

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Jan 8 at 9:04








          • 1





            Technically you are correct, but Azure you pay for the IPs and each public LB requires one IP to work, I think you have 5 free if I am not wrong!

            – Diego Mendes
            Jan 8 at 11:13














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          +25







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          +25



          2




          +25





          There is a nice article here which describe the differences on Service(Load Balancer) and Ingress.



          In summary, you can have multiple Service(Load Balancer) in the cluster, where each application is exposed independently from each other. The main issue is that each Load Balancer added will increase the cost of your solution, and does not have to be this way, unless you strictly need this.



          If multiple applications listen on port 80, and they are inside the container, there is no reason you also need to map it to the port 80 in the host node. You can assign it to any port, because the Service will handle the dynamic port mappings for you.



          The ingress is best in this scenario, because you can have one ingress listing on port 80, and route the traffic to the right service based on many variables, like:




          • Domain

          • Url Path

          • Query String

          • And many other


          Ingress in not just for TLS termination, it is in simple terms a proxygateway that will control the routing to the right service, TLS termination is just one of the features.






          share|improve this answer













          There is a nice article here which describe the differences on Service(Load Balancer) and Ingress.



          In summary, you can have multiple Service(Load Balancer) in the cluster, where each application is exposed independently from each other. The main issue is that each Load Balancer added will increase the cost of your solution, and does not have to be this way, unless you strictly need this.



          If multiple applications listen on port 80, and they are inside the container, there is no reason you also need to map it to the port 80 in the host node. You can assign it to any port, because the Service will handle the dynamic port mappings for you.



          The ingress is best in this scenario, because you can have one ingress listing on port 80, and route the traffic to the right service based on many variables, like:




          • Domain

          • Url Path

          • Query String

          • And many other


          Ingress in not just for TLS termination, it is in simple terms a proxygateway that will control the routing to the right service, TLS termination is just one of the features.







          share|improve this answer












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          • The cost of Azure load balancers (Basic SKU) is £0, load balancers being expensive is not true for AKS. It is for AWS EKS and I'm not sure about Google GKE.

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Jan 8 at 9:04








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            Technically you are correct, but Azure you pay for the IPs and each public LB requires one IP to work, I think you have 5 free if I am not wrong!

            – Diego Mendes
            Jan 8 at 11:13



















          • The cost of Azure load balancers (Basic SKU) is £0, load balancers being expensive is not true for AKS. It is for AWS EKS and I'm not sure about Google GKE.

            – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
            Jan 8 at 9:04








          • 1





            Technically you are correct, but Azure you pay for the IPs and each public LB requires one IP to work, I think you have 5 free if I am not wrong!

            – Diego Mendes
            Jan 8 at 11:13

















          The cost of Azure load balancers (Basic SKU) is £0, load balancers being expensive is not true for AKS. It is for AWS EKS and I'm not sure about Google GKE.

          – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
          Jan 8 at 9:04







          The cost of Azure load balancers (Basic SKU) is £0, load balancers being expensive is not true for AKS. It is for AWS EKS and I'm not sure about Google GKE.

          – Muhammad Rehan Saeed
          Jan 8 at 9:04






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          Technically you are correct, but Azure you pay for the IPs and each public LB requires one IP to work, I think you have 5 free if I am not wrong!

          – Diego Mendes
          Jan 8 at 11:13





          Technically you are correct, but Azure you pay for the IPs and each public LB requires one IP to work, I think you have 5 free if I am not wrong!

          – Diego Mendes
          Jan 8 at 11:13


















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