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What is the etymology for the phrase, “God save the king?”
All that I find is a trail back to the song. Yet it seems to me that there must be an origin that goes back into the language.






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    What is the etymology for the phrase, “God save the king?”
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      What is the etymology for the phrase, “God save the king?”
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      What is the etymology for the phrase, “God save the king?”
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          The phrase "God Save the King" is much older than the song, appearing, for instance, several times in the King James Bible... 1st Book of Kings Chapter 1: verses 38–40, ... "And all the people rejoic'd, and said: God save the King! Long live the King! May the King live for ever, Amen"







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          • There are other examples of something wished for being expressed as a command. "Long live the King!" (as in Rory's Bible passage) - "God bless America!" - "Down with America!" - "Have a nice day!"

            – Kate Bunting
            10 hours ago











          • Kate - all of those are much later than the King James Bible, so aren't answering the question...

            – Rory Alsop
            10 hours ago











          • Rory - I only meant that voicing a wish in that way is a natural form of expression, and not only in English. Vivat Rex! Vive le roi!

            – Kate Bunting
            10 hours ago











          • Ah yes, of course. Thanks

            – Rory Alsop
            9 hours ago











          • Where's the link?

            – Mari-Lou A
            7 hours ago



















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          For this exact wording, it dates back to at least circa 1367:




          Godde saue the kyng
          Eulogium Historiarum sive Temporis




          For similar phrases, the Oxford English Dictionary has an earlier example from The early South-English legendary; or, Lives of saints (c1300):




          ‘Sire king,’ he seide, ‘god þe loke and saui þi dignite!’




          Translation: "Sire king," he said, "God look over you and save your dignity!"






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            loke would not be simple present but subjunctive. May God....

            – TRomano
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          • @TRomano So, arguably, is “God look over you”; it’s certainly not simple present. Semantically, it’s a third-person imperative, and those have always been expressed morphologically with the subjunctive in English.

            – Janus Bahs Jacquet
            25 mins ago











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          From the Wikipedia page on this:




          The phrase "God Save the King" is much older than the song, appearing, for instance, several times in the King James Bible... 1st Book of Kings Chapter 1: verses 38–40, ... "And all the people rejoic'd, and said: God save the King! Long live the King! May the King live for ever, Amen"







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          • There are other examples of something wished for being expressed as a command. "Long live the King!" (as in Rory's Bible passage) - "God bless America!" - "Down with America!" - "Have a nice day!"

            – Kate Bunting
            10 hours ago











          • Kate - all of those are much later than the King James Bible, so aren't answering the question...

            – Rory Alsop
            10 hours ago











          • Rory - I only meant that voicing a wish in that way is a natural form of expression, and not only in English. Vivat Rex! Vive le roi!

            – Kate Bunting
            10 hours ago











          • Ah yes, of course. Thanks

            – Rory Alsop
            9 hours ago











          • Where's the link?

            – Mari-Lou A
            7 hours ago
















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          From the Wikipedia page on this:




          The phrase "God Save the King" is much older than the song, appearing, for instance, several times in the King James Bible... 1st Book of Kings Chapter 1: verses 38–40, ... "And all the people rejoic'd, and said: God save the King! Long live the King! May the King live for ever, Amen"







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          • There are other examples of something wished for being expressed as a command. "Long live the King!" (as in Rory's Bible passage) - "God bless America!" - "Down with America!" - "Have a nice day!"

            – Kate Bunting
            10 hours ago











          • Kate - all of those are much later than the King James Bible, so aren't answering the question...

            – Rory Alsop
            10 hours ago











          • Rory - I only meant that voicing a wish in that way is a natural form of expression, and not only in English. Vivat Rex! Vive le roi!

            – Kate Bunting
            10 hours ago











          • Ah yes, of course. Thanks

            – Rory Alsop
            9 hours ago











          • Where's the link?

            – Mari-Lou A
            7 hours ago














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          From the Wikipedia page on this:




          The phrase "God Save the King" is much older than the song, appearing, for instance, several times in the King James Bible... 1st Book of Kings Chapter 1: verses 38–40, ... "And all the people rejoic'd, and said: God save the King! Long live the King! May the King live for ever, Amen"







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          From the Wikipedia page on this:




          The phrase "God Save the King" is much older than the song, appearing, for instance, several times in the King James Bible... 1st Book of Kings Chapter 1: verses 38–40, ... "And all the people rejoic'd, and said: God save the King! Long live the King! May the King live for ever, Amen"








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          • There are other examples of something wished for being expressed as a command. "Long live the King!" (as in Rory's Bible passage) - "God bless America!" - "Down with America!" - "Have a nice day!"

            – Kate Bunting
            10 hours ago











          • Kate - all of those are much later than the King James Bible, so aren't answering the question...

            – Rory Alsop
            10 hours ago











          • Rory - I only meant that voicing a wish in that way is a natural form of expression, and not only in English. Vivat Rex! Vive le roi!

            – Kate Bunting
            10 hours ago











          • Ah yes, of course. Thanks

            – Rory Alsop
            9 hours ago











          • Where's the link?

            – Mari-Lou A
            7 hours ago



















          • There are other examples of something wished for being expressed as a command. "Long live the King!" (as in Rory's Bible passage) - "God bless America!" - "Down with America!" - "Have a nice day!"

            – Kate Bunting
            10 hours ago











          • Kate - all of those are much later than the King James Bible, so aren't answering the question...

            – Rory Alsop
            10 hours ago











          • Rory - I only meant that voicing a wish in that way is a natural form of expression, and not only in English. Vivat Rex! Vive le roi!

            – Kate Bunting
            10 hours ago











          • Ah yes, of course. Thanks

            – Rory Alsop
            9 hours ago











          • Where's the link?

            – Mari-Lou A
            7 hours ago

















          There are other examples of something wished for being expressed as a command. "Long live the King!" (as in Rory's Bible passage) - "God bless America!" - "Down with America!" - "Have a nice day!"

          – Kate Bunting
          10 hours ago





          There are other examples of something wished for being expressed as a command. "Long live the King!" (as in Rory's Bible passage) - "God bless America!" - "Down with America!" - "Have a nice day!"

          – Kate Bunting
          10 hours ago













          Kate - all of those are much later than the King James Bible, so aren't answering the question...

          – Rory Alsop
          10 hours ago





          Kate - all of those are much later than the King James Bible, so aren't answering the question...

          – Rory Alsop
          10 hours ago













          Rory - I only meant that voicing a wish in that way is a natural form of expression, and not only in English. Vivat Rex! Vive le roi!

          – Kate Bunting
          10 hours ago





          Rory - I only meant that voicing a wish in that way is a natural form of expression, and not only in English. Vivat Rex! Vive le roi!

          – Kate Bunting
          10 hours ago













          Ah yes, of course. Thanks

          – Rory Alsop
          9 hours ago





          Ah yes, of course. Thanks

          – Rory Alsop
          9 hours ago













          Where's the link?

          – Mari-Lou A
          7 hours ago





          Where's the link?

          – Mari-Lou A
          7 hours ago













          1














          For this exact wording, it dates back to at least circa 1367:




          Godde saue the kyng
          Eulogium Historiarum sive Temporis




          For similar phrases, the Oxford English Dictionary has an earlier example from The early South-English legendary; or, Lives of saints (c1300):




          ‘Sire king,’ he seide, ‘god þe loke and saui þi dignite!’




          Translation: "Sire king," he said, "God look over you and save your dignity!"






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            loke would not be simple present but subjunctive. May God....

            – TRomano
            5 hours ago











          • @TRomano So, arguably, is “God look over you”; it’s certainly not simple present. Semantically, it’s a third-person imperative, and those have always been expressed morphologically with the subjunctive in English.

            – Janus Bahs Jacquet
            25 mins ago
















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          For this exact wording, it dates back to at least circa 1367:




          Godde saue the kyng
          Eulogium Historiarum sive Temporis




          For similar phrases, the Oxford English Dictionary has an earlier example from The early South-English legendary; or, Lives of saints (c1300):




          ‘Sire king,’ he seide, ‘god þe loke and saui þi dignite!’




          Translation: "Sire king," he said, "God look over you and save your dignity!"






          share|improve this answer





















          • 1





            loke would not be simple present but subjunctive. May God....

            – TRomano
            5 hours ago











          • @TRomano So, arguably, is “God look over you”; it’s certainly not simple present. Semantically, it’s a third-person imperative, and those have always been expressed morphologically with the subjunctive in English.

            – Janus Bahs Jacquet
            25 mins ago














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          For this exact wording, it dates back to at least circa 1367:




          Godde saue the kyng
          Eulogium Historiarum sive Temporis




          For similar phrases, the Oxford English Dictionary has an earlier example from The early South-English legendary; or, Lives of saints (c1300):




          ‘Sire king,’ he seide, ‘god þe loke and saui þi dignite!’




          Translation: "Sire king," he said, "God look over you and save your dignity!"






          share|improve this answer















          For this exact wording, it dates back to at least circa 1367:




          Godde saue the kyng
          Eulogium Historiarum sive Temporis




          For similar phrases, the Oxford English Dictionary has an earlier example from The early South-English legendary; or, Lives of saints (c1300):




          ‘Sire king,’ he seide, ‘god þe loke and saui þi dignite!’




          Translation: "Sire king," he said, "God look over you and save your dignity!"







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            loke would not be simple present but subjunctive. May God....

            – TRomano
            5 hours ago











          • @TRomano So, arguably, is “God look over you”; it’s certainly not simple present. Semantically, it’s a third-person imperative, and those have always been expressed morphologically with the subjunctive in English.

            – Janus Bahs Jacquet
            25 mins ago














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            loke would not be simple present but subjunctive. May God....

            – TRomano
            5 hours ago











          • @TRomano So, arguably, is “God look over you”; it’s certainly not simple present. Semantically, it’s a third-person imperative, and those have always been expressed morphologically with the subjunctive in English.

            – Janus Bahs Jacquet
            25 mins ago








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          loke would not be simple present but subjunctive. May God....

          – TRomano
          5 hours ago





          loke would not be simple present but subjunctive. May God....

          – TRomano
          5 hours ago













          @TRomano So, arguably, is “God look over you”; it’s certainly not simple present. Semantically, it’s a third-person imperative, and those have always been expressed morphologically with the subjunctive in English.

          – Janus Bahs Jacquet
          25 mins ago





          @TRomano So, arguably, is “God look over you”; it’s certainly not simple present. Semantically, it’s a third-person imperative, and those have always been expressed morphologically with the subjunctive in English.

          – Janus Bahs Jacquet
          25 mins ago










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