Graded/ungraded adjectives and grading/non-grading adverbs












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I saw in the Farlex Grammar Book an explanation of gradable adjectives and graded adverbs. It lists the following words as examples of each category:



Gradable adjectives

small

cold

hot

difficult

sad



Non-gradable adjectives

tiny

freezing

boiling

impossible

devastated



Grading adverb

absolutely

utterly

fully

virtually

completely



Non-grading adverbs

a bit

dreadfully

unusually

extremely

slightly



The rule it states is that non-grading adverbs "can generally only" modify non-gradable adjectives, and grading adverbs "are generally only paired with" gradable adjectives. So:




  • absolutely small

    (wrong) non-grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • a bit small

    (correct) grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • completely sad
    (wrong) non-grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • slightly sad
    (correct) grading adverb and gradable
    adjective



It contains this note:




Note that in informal speech or writing, many grammar rules are often ignored, misused, or misunderstood, so you may come across non-grading adverbs used with gradable adjectives (e.g., “utterly surprised,” “absolutely interested”) or grading adverbs used with non-gradable adjectives (e.g., “extremely certain,” “very tiny”). However, other than the exceptions listed above, this usage should be avoided, especially in formal or professional writing.




The exceptions it's referring to are the adverbs really, fairly, pretty and quite, which can modify both gradable AND ungradable adjectives. And so considers the following acceptable:




  • pretty freezing


  • fairly impossible



I consider it strange that it implies "utterly surprised" or "very tiny" to be ungrammatical (or at least bad style), and yet considers "pretty freezing" and "fairly impossible" to be fine.



I started experimenting with mixing mismatched adverbs and adjectives from the above source, along with a couple of others, including (englishclub.com [grammar]) that is, gradables with non-gradeds and vice versa. Some examples I found to be fine (by my standards, at least) were:



perfectly happy

(non-graded adv. + gradable adj.)



very awful / extremely awful

(graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



nearly dead / almost dead

(non-graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



virtually unknown

(non-graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



more terrible / more terrifying

(graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



The Farlex source seems to imply my above examples are ungrammatical or at the very least should be avoided in formal writing.



The same thing seems to be implied at the other source (englishclub.com).



I'm wondering if either is true, whether they're ungrammatical or to be avoided in formal writing?



Also, a quick second question, if I may:



At learnenglish.britishcouncil.org it says:




Adjectives like ‘terrifying’, ‘freezing’ ‘amazing’ are also non-gradable adjectives. They already contain the idea of ‘very’ in their definitions – ‘freezing’ means ‘very cold’.




And at englishclub.com




Non-gradable adjectives do not normally have comparative and superlative forms.




And gives the example that you can't have "more dead" or "more freezing". I agree with that, but that definitely doesn't seem to be the case for amazing, terrifying, and terrible, which are all considered ungradables. Also I see nothing wrong with saying that Village A was more devastated by the war/drought than Village B (devastated being an ungradable adjective).



Am I wrong in thinking that there's nothing wrong with "more amazing" or "more terrifying"? Example: "It's more amazing/terrifying than you can imagine." It seems the sources are telling me these words shouldn't be comparable. Are they right?










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  • You are right and Farlex is wrong. However, if English is not your native language, and you want your speaking and writing to be clearly understood, it’s reasonable to stay within some simple rules, even though you lose out on some perfectly good expressions.

    – Global Charm
    10 hours ago
















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I saw in the Farlex Grammar Book an explanation of gradable adjectives and graded adverbs. It lists the following words as examples of each category:



Gradable adjectives

small

cold

hot

difficult

sad



Non-gradable adjectives

tiny

freezing

boiling

impossible

devastated



Grading adverb

absolutely

utterly

fully

virtually

completely



Non-grading adverbs

a bit

dreadfully

unusually

extremely

slightly



The rule it states is that non-grading adverbs "can generally only" modify non-gradable adjectives, and grading adverbs "are generally only paired with" gradable adjectives. So:




  • absolutely small

    (wrong) non-grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • a bit small

    (correct) grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • completely sad
    (wrong) non-grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • slightly sad
    (correct) grading adverb and gradable
    adjective



It contains this note:




Note that in informal speech or writing, many grammar rules are often ignored, misused, or misunderstood, so you may come across non-grading adverbs used with gradable adjectives (e.g., “utterly surprised,” “absolutely interested”) or grading adverbs used with non-gradable adjectives (e.g., “extremely certain,” “very tiny”). However, other than the exceptions listed above, this usage should be avoided, especially in formal or professional writing.




The exceptions it's referring to are the adverbs really, fairly, pretty and quite, which can modify both gradable AND ungradable adjectives. And so considers the following acceptable:




  • pretty freezing


  • fairly impossible



I consider it strange that it implies "utterly surprised" or "very tiny" to be ungrammatical (or at least bad style), and yet considers "pretty freezing" and "fairly impossible" to be fine.



I started experimenting with mixing mismatched adverbs and adjectives from the above source, along with a couple of others, including (englishclub.com [grammar]) that is, gradables with non-gradeds and vice versa. Some examples I found to be fine (by my standards, at least) were:



perfectly happy

(non-graded adv. + gradable adj.)



very awful / extremely awful

(graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



nearly dead / almost dead

(non-graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



virtually unknown

(non-graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



more terrible / more terrifying

(graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



The Farlex source seems to imply my above examples are ungrammatical or at the very least should be avoided in formal writing.



The same thing seems to be implied at the other source (englishclub.com).



I'm wondering if either is true, whether they're ungrammatical or to be avoided in formal writing?



Also, a quick second question, if I may:



At learnenglish.britishcouncil.org it says:




Adjectives like ‘terrifying’, ‘freezing’ ‘amazing’ are also non-gradable adjectives. They already contain the idea of ‘very’ in their definitions – ‘freezing’ means ‘very cold’.




And at englishclub.com




Non-gradable adjectives do not normally have comparative and superlative forms.




And gives the example that you can't have "more dead" or "more freezing". I agree with that, but that definitely doesn't seem to be the case for amazing, terrifying, and terrible, which are all considered ungradables. Also I see nothing wrong with saying that Village A was more devastated by the war/drought than Village B (devastated being an ungradable adjective).



Am I wrong in thinking that there's nothing wrong with "more amazing" or "more terrifying"? Example: "It's more amazing/terrifying than you can imagine." It seems the sources are telling me these words shouldn't be comparable. Are they right?










share|improve this question























  • You are right and Farlex is wrong. However, if English is not your native language, and you want your speaking and writing to be clearly understood, it’s reasonable to stay within some simple rules, even though you lose out on some perfectly good expressions.

    – Global Charm
    10 hours ago














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I saw in the Farlex Grammar Book an explanation of gradable adjectives and graded adverbs. It lists the following words as examples of each category:



Gradable adjectives

small

cold

hot

difficult

sad



Non-gradable adjectives

tiny

freezing

boiling

impossible

devastated



Grading adverb

absolutely

utterly

fully

virtually

completely



Non-grading adverbs

a bit

dreadfully

unusually

extremely

slightly



The rule it states is that non-grading adverbs "can generally only" modify non-gradable adjectives, and grading adverbs "are generally only paired with" gradable adjectives. So:




  • absolutely small

    (wrong) non-grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • a bit small

    (correct) grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • completely sad
    (wrong) non-grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • slightly sad
    (correct) grading adverb and gradable
    adjective



It contains this note:




Note that in informal speech or writing, many grammar rules are often ignored, misused, or misunderstood, so you may come across non-grading adverbs used with gradable adjectives (e.g., “utterly surprised,” “absolutely interested”) or grading adverbs used with non-gradable adjectives (e.g., “extremely certain,” “very tiny”). However, other than the exceptions listed above, this usage should be avoided, especially in formal or professional writing.




The exceptions it's referring to are the adverbs really, fairly, pretty and quite, which can modify both gradable AND ungradable adjectives. And so considers the following acceptable:




  • pretty freezing


  • fairly impossible



I consider it strange that it implies "utterly surprised" or "very tiny" to be ungrammatical (or at least bad style), and yet considers "pretty freezing" and "fairly impossible" to be fine.



I started experimenting with mixing mismatched adverbs and adjectives from the above source, along with a couple of others, including (englishclub.com [grammar]) that is, gradables with non-gradeds and vice versa. Some examples I found to be fine (by my standards, at least) were:



perfectly happy

(non-graded adv. + gradable adj.)



very awful / extremely awful

(graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



nearly dead / almost dead

(non-graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



virtually unknown

(non-graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



more terrible / more terrifying

(graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



The Farlex source seems to imply my above examples are ungrammatical or at the very least should be avoided in formal writing.



The same thing seems to be implied at the other source (englishclub.com).



I'm wondering if either is true, whether they're ungrammatical or to be avoided in formal writing?



Also, a quick second question, if I may:



At learnenglish.britishcouncil.org it says:




Adjectives like ‘terrifying’, ‘freezing’ ‘amazing’ are also non-gradable adjectives. They already contain the idea of ‘very’ in their definitions – ‘freezing’ means ‘very cold’.




And at englishclub.com




Non-gradable adjectives do not normally have comparative and superlative forms.




And gives the example that you can't have "more dead" or "more freezing". I agree with that, but that definitely doesn't seem to be the case for amazing, terrifying, and terrible, which are all considered ungradables. Also I see nothing wrong with saying that Village A was more devastated by the war/drought than Village B (devastated being an ungradable adjective).



Am I wrong in thinking that there's nothing wrong with "more amazing" or "more terrifying"? Example: "It's more amazing/terrifying than you can imagine." It seems the sources are telling me these words shouldn't be comparable. Are they right?










share|improve this question














I saw in the Farlex Grammar Book an explanation of gradable adjectives and graded adverbs. It lists the following words as examples of each category:



Gradable adjectives

small

cold

hot

difficult

sad



Non-gradable adjectives

tiny

freezing

boiling

impossible

devastated



Grading adverb

absolutely

utterly

fully

virtually

completely



Non-grading adverbs

a bit

dreadfully

unusually

extremely

slightly



The rule it states is that non-grading adverbs "can generally only" modify non-gradable adjectives, and grading adverbs "are generally only paired with" gradable adjectives. So:




  • absolutely small

    (wrong) non-grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • a bit small

    (correct) grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • completely sad
    (wrong) non-grading adverb and gradable adjective


  • slightly sad
    (correct) grading adverb and gradable
    adjective



It contains this note:




Note that in informal speech or writing, many grammar rules are often ignored, misused, or misunderstood, so you may come across non-grading adverbs used with gradable adjectives (e.g., “utterly surprised,” “absolutely interested”) or grading adverbs used with non-gradable adjectives (e.g., “extremely certain,” “very tiny”). However, other than the exceptions listed above, this usage should be avoided, especially in formal or professional writing.




The exceptions it's referring to are the adverbs really, fairly, pretty and quite, which can modify both gradable AND ungradable adjectives. And so considers the following acceptable:




  • pretty freezing


  • fairly impossible



I consider it strange that it implies "utterly surprised" or "very tiny" to be ungrammatical (or at least bad style), and yet considers "pretty freezing" and "fairly impossible" to be fine.



I started experimenting with mixing mismatched adverbs and adjectives from the above source, along with a couple of others, including (englishclub.com [grammar]) that is, gradables with non-gradeds and vice versa. Some examples I found to be fine (by my standards, at least) were:



perfectly happy

(non-graded adv. + gradable adj.)



very awful / extremely awful

(graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



nearly dead / almost dead

(non-graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



virtually unknown

(non-graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



more terrible / more terrifying

(graded adv. + ungradable adj.)



The Farlex source seems to imply my above examples are ungrammatical or at the very least should be avoided in formal writing.



The same thing seems to be implied at the other source (englishclub.com).



I'm wondering if either is true, whether they're ungrammatical or to be avoided in formal writing?



Also, a quick second question, if I may:



At learnenglish.britishcouncil.org it says:




Adjectives like ‘terrifying’, ‘freezing’ ‘amazing’ are also non-gradable adjectives. They already contain the idea of ‘very’ in their definitions – ‘freezing’ means ‘very cold’.




And at englishclub.com




Non-gradable adjectives do not normally have comparative and superlative forms.




And gives the example that you can't have "more dead" or "more freezing". I agree with that, but that definitely doesn't seem to be the case for amazing, terrifying, and terrible, which are all considered ungradables. Also I see nothing wrong with saying that Village A was more devastated by the war/drought than Village B (devastated being an ungradable adjective).



Am I wrong in thinking that there's nothing wrong with "more amazing" or "more terrifying"? Example: "It's more amazing/terrifying than you can imagine." It seems the sources are telling me these words shouldn't be comparable. Are they right?







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  • You are right and Farlex is wrong. However, if English is not your native language, and you want your speaking and writing to be clearly understood, it’s reasonable to stay within some simple rules, even though you lose out on some perfectly good expressions.

    – Global Charm
    10 hours ago



















  • You are right and Farlex is wrong. However, if English is not your native language, and you want your speaking and writing to be clearly understood, it’s reasonable to stay within some simple rules, even though you lose out on some perfectly good expressions.

    – Global Charm
    10 hours ago

















You are right and Farlex is wrong. However, if English is not your native language, and you want your speaking and writing to be clearly understood, it’s reasonable to stay within some simple rules, even though you lose out on some perfectly good expressions.

– Global Charm
10 hours ago





You are right and Farlex is wrong. However, if English is not your native language, and you want your speaking and writing to be clearly understood, it’s reasonable to stay within some simple rules, even though you lose out on some perfectly good expressions.

– Global Charm
10 hours ago










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