Someone wants me to use my credit card at a card-only gas/petrol pump in return for cash
I was at a petrol station in rural New Zealand at the weekend which only accepted payment via the automated card reader on the forecourt. After I had filled up, a young woman approached me and asked if I would use my card to pay for her petrol, and she would pay me back in cash.
While I tried to work out if this was safe, she said it was OK if I didn't want to, and walked away.
Was this an attempted scam, or have I just refused help to someone who needed it?
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I was at a petrol station in rural New Zealand at the weekend which only accepted payment via the automated card reader on the forecourt. After I had filled up, a young woman approached me and asked if I would use my card to pay for her petrol, and she would pay me back in cash.
While I tried to work out if this was safe, she said it was OK if I didn't want to, and walked away.
Was this an attempted scam, or have I just refused help to someone who needed it?
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NZ$5 of gas won't get you to the next gas station ... ;)
– Rupert Morrish
yesterday
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Doesn't sound like she pushed very hard. I would expect a scammer to be more insistent. More likely someone who just didn't have a bank card.
– Seth R
yesterday
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A rural pump station that doesn't accept cash? Seems very unlikely to me, but I've never been to NZ.
– only_pro
yesterday
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It's also possible she was trying to avoid having a credit card charge which would reveal that she was at that location.
– mowwwalker
yesterday
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With so many online scams reported here, we may get paranoid, but we don’t HAVE to find a scam into every interaction, especially in real-life.
– Sebastiaan van den Broek
yesterday
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I was at a petrol station in rural New Zealand at the weekend which only accepted payment via the automated card reader on the forecourt. After I had filled up, a young woman approached me and asked if I would use my card to pay for her petrol, and she would pay me back in cash.
While I tried to work out if this was safe, she said it was OK if I didn't want to, and walked away.
Was this an attempted scam, or have I just refused help to someone who needed it?
scams new-zealand
I was at a petrol station in rural New Zealand at the weekend which only accepted payment via the automated card reader on the forecourt. After I had filled up, a young woman approached me and asked if I would use my card to pay for her petrol, and she would pay me back in cash.
While I tried to work out if this was safe, she said it was OK if I didn't want to, and walked away.
Was this an attempted scam, or have I just refused help to someone who needed it?
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NZ$5 of gas won't get you to the next gas station ... ;)
– Rupert Morrish
yesterday
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Doesn't sound like she pushed very hard. I would expect a scammer to be more insistent. More likely someone who just didn't have a bank card.
– Seth R
yesterday
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A rural pump station that doesn't accept cash? Seems very unlikely to me, but I've never been to NZ.
– only_pro
yesterday
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It's also possible she was trying to avoid having a credit card charge which would reveal that she was at that location.
– mowwwalker
yesterday
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With so many online scams reported here, we may get paranoid, but we don’t HAVE to find a scam into every interaction, especially in real-life.
– Sebastiaan van den Broek
yesterday
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NZ$5 of gas won't get you to the next gas station ... ;)
– Rupert Morrish
yesterday
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Doesn't sound like she pushed very hard. I would expect a scammer to be more insistent. More likely someone who just didn't have a bank card.
– Seth R
yesterday
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A rural pump station that doesn't accept cash? Seems very unlikely to me, but I've never been to NZ.
– only_pro
yesterday
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It's also possible she was trying to avoid having a credit card charge which would reveal that she was at that location.
– mowwwalker
yesterday
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With so many online scams reported here, we may get paranoid, but we don’t HAVE to find a scam into every interaction, especially in real-life.
– Sebastiaan van den Broek
yesterday
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NZ$5 of gas won't get you to the next gas station ... ;)
– Rupert Morrish
yesterday
NZ$5 of gas won't get you to the next gas station ... ;)
– Rupert Morrish
yesterday
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Doesn't sound like she pushed very hard. I would expect a scammer to be more insistent. More likely someone who just didn't have a bank card.
– Seth R
yesterday
Doesn't sound like she pushed very hard. I would expect a scammer to be more insistent. More likely someone who just didn't have a bank card.
– Seth R
yesterday
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A rural pump station that doesn't accept cash? Seems very unlikely to me, but I've never been to NZ.
– only_pro
yesterday
A rural pump station that doesn't accept cash? Seems very unlikely to me, but I've never been to NZ.
– only_pro
yesterday
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It's also possible she was trying to avoid having a credit card charge which would reveal that she was at that location.
– mowwwalker
yesterday
It's also possible she was trying to avoid having a credit card charge which would reveal that she was at that location.
– mowwwalker
yesterday
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With so many online scams reported here, we may get paranoid, but we don’t HAVE to find a scam into every interaction, especially in real-life.
– Sebastiaan van den Broek
yesterday
With so many online scams reported here, we may get paranoid, but we don’t HAVE to find a scam into every interaction, especially in real-life.
– Sebastiaan van den Broek
yesterday
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Plenty of people don't have credit/debit cards, if they had cash in hand they were probably just one of those people. Cash first, fuel 2nd with you pumping, not much risk to you in that scenario.
Could it have been a ruse to get some free fuel from you or rob you while your guard was down? Sure, but seems less likely.
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@void_ptr OP pointed out it was credit only so cash wasn't an option.
– topshot
yesterday
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@topshot Most gas stations in my area have quite a few security cameras around the pumps, so it feels like a risky place to rob someone, but who knows, people are crazy.
– Hart CO
yesterday
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FYI New Zealand has been a leader in electronic transactions since the 90s. We have been using eftpos for 30+ years, so its not unusual. I personally use cash 5-6 times a year at most. You just have to have a bank account to get an eftpos card (which is different to a debit card in that it has no CC-like number) Whether account has funds in it, is another matter completely.
– Criggie
yesterday
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My in-laws once needed fuel in NZ for their camper-van, only station was card-only and their German CC wasn't PIN-enabled, so it didn't work. They only got some fuel because someone came along and offered they could use his credit-card in exchange for cash.
– piet.t
17 hours ago
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Last year my only card was locked by the bank, I had to forgotten to refill the tank at a station which accepted cash and the only one I could reach only accepted card, so I had to ask a stranger that he'd use his card to pay for fuel and I reimbursed him in cash.
– baudsp
13 hours ago
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In my experience scammers are actually trying to get cash, not goods, so it's possible, but I don't see an obvious play. Some possibilities that come to mind:
- She takes off before giving you the cash
- She gives you counterfeit cash (good enough to fool you but not trained merchants)
- Some sort of short-change sleight-of-hand (I have actually been victim to this)
- She somehow puts more on your card than just gas (not sure how that would work unless you gave her the card)
- She parlays your kindness into another purchase (food, etc.)
If it were me, I probably would have tried to help, being very careful not to fall for one of the above schemes, but I certainly don't blame you for being skeptical.
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That would not be money laundering, though. Money laundering is funneling cash from illegal activities through legal channels to hide its origin.
– D Stanley
yesterday
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One other risk to be aware of: credit card data skimmers installed on specific card readers at ATMs or gas stations. This is certainly less common than other issues mentioned, but it's something to be aware of in case there's suspicious pushiness about using a specific card reader.
– cr0
yesterday
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@cr0 but I don't see how that's a play for this alleged scammer. If there's a skimmer, the OP is going to be harmed regardless; if not, there's no harm.
– D Stanley
yesterday
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@AndrewLeach Sounds like you're talking about "passing" (counterfeit money) rather than "laundering" per se (concealing the source of real money for nefarious means.
– Geoffrey Brent
yesterday
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@DStanley re: skimmer, it could have just been on one, and by asking op to use it on that pump, she was guaranteed her mark, and doesn't have to leave the skimmer (which have been used to track the people down before).
– user73687
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There's a small chance this was a scam, or a distraction for some third person to come and steal things from your car. Could also have been an attempt to pass counterfeit notes to an unsuspecting person (like a tourist)
But here in New Zealand we do have a number of automated petrol stations that sell 91, 95, diesel, and perhaps a carwash. They cannot sell LPG without a qualified attendant on site, but they occasionally might have vending machines. These are also known as "truck stops"
These automated bowsers have a card reader and will pre-debit up to $150 NZD off your balance before the pump handle is raised. That's how the service station makes sure you have the wherewithall to cover the unknown total cost. If you have a credit card, that pre-charge is simply "unavailable" but you're not paying interest on it.
However if you have a debit card or an eftpos card that "reservation" can cause financial hardship.
If it was me I'd totally make a spot judgement call about the person and decide whether to help or not. If it were a spanky new car and the person had smokes then I might decide no, but a frazzled mum driving a beat-up old 90s car is unlikely to be scamming you out of some dollars. I might even hit the bowser with "dispense $20 worth" on my card rather than "fill" and then just leave without taking cash, because its nice to do something for someone.
Source - I'm a kiwi.
Further info on card charge at robo-stations: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/08/petrol-stations-introduce-new-99-charge-pay-pump/ and https://gull.nz/faq/
Here's an automated fuel station. Has around 6 bowsers and sells liquid fuel only. There is nobody in attendance.
And here's the payment device at a different site. Notice that the fuel pump will not start unless the card has authorised, so if you don't have a card, or your balance is below a preset minimum, then the pump will not start.
So OP would HAVE to enter his own PIN - can't just hand over a card and share the PIN.
The reader will use the card's chip, and it may read the magstripe for confirmation but some simply ignore it. Then you MUST input your PIN. Once that validates the unit will pre-authorise $150 and signal the pump that it is allowed to start when the trigger is pressed.
So no card, no fuel. Insufficient funds and you can't even get $5 of petrol out of these things.
If its a scam, its a lot of work for a little bit of fuel.
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Here's where I'll be cynical. Wouldn't a scammer TRY to look like a "frazzled mom" to produce exactly that effect?
– Patrice
yesterday
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Scammers aren't normally that smart about it. Making legitimate money is generally easier.
– meh-uk
20 hours ago
@Patrice make judgement call at the time. Not everyone is a criminal - sometimes people do get caught out. I've added some pictures to show the gotcha.
– Criggie
17 hours ago
I've gotten scammed by the frazzled mum in the beat-up 90's car, you never can tell...
– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
In the US many gas pumps have signs indicating that is the credit card company not fuel station that locks the funds. My Google Foo is not up to finding references. But in theory it is because the credit card company does not finalize the charge for a couple of days.
– James Jenkins
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Since the cash option wasn't available at that time, I think Occam's Razor probably applies. Sure a scam is possible, but IMHO that would more likely have involved someone with no money and no wallet begging you to not leave them stranded at the gas station.
A similar scenario happened to me once. I was getting gas late at night at a station that only accepts credit/debit cards during unstaffed hours. There was one other car trying to get gas and I heard the guy swearing at the pump. I looked over at him and he kind of threw his hands up in desperation so I asked him if he needed help. He said his card was being declined. I suggested he try another card and he didn't have one, so I asked him if he had any cash. He offered me $8 in cash for $5 of gas. I told him no need, just $5 is fine. As I swiped my card it occurred to me that I had no way of limiting the sale to $5, so I said I'd pump it myself. He agreed while thanking me a thousand times. I wasn't perfect and he actually got $5.01 in gas. As I got back in my car I realized that I still profited 9 cents due to my 2% credit card points. (And then chuckled at the ridiculousness that my brain automatically calculated that.)
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If she never touches your card it is really just you selling her a gallon of fuel, not that big a deal. If she wants to buy a full tank then check the security features on the currency.
If there is an alternate petrol station nearby suggest they try there for cash transaction or just donate her the fuel to get there if her car is on fumes. I would ask them to pay it forward rather than accept a small amount. If you feel victimised ask to check her fuel gauge first to verify the need.
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Some people don't have or carry credit cards, for various reasons... so this could be legit. But there are ways of using this situation to take advantage of someone.
One way it could be a scam is that she does this all day hoping someone hands her their card for her to go swipe at the machine, during which time she can photograph it and use it for online purchases later or sell the card's info.
Another way this could be a scam is if she is trying to use this as a distraction, either to mug you or to pickpocket you, possibly with the help of someone else. (Less likely due to all the security cameras at gas stations, but criminals aren't always the brightest minds).
One way to protect yourself is to take her $20 cash, pre-approve to pump up to $20 on your card, swipe the card yourself and walk away. It's quick and you don't have to stand there and pump it yourself.
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Is it possible to limit the pump to $20 at the start? I thought it pre-approved a high amount on your card so that it wouldn't limit you.
– acestar
yesterday
@acestar depends on the pump but it’s more and more common to see pumps that offer the ability to limit the amount of fuel dispensed, especially on ones that take card.
– Notts90
18 hours ago
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The cash could have been counterfeit. It very well could have been a scam.
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You could say that about pretty much every cash transaction ever...
– colmde
13 hours ago
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To offer a different perspective here.
We had an issue here in the states where someone would do something similar. They get you to run your card, or they prevent the pump from properly hanging up and completing a transaction after someone has finished.
Then, once they have access to an active pump, they come through with like 5 cars and fill them all up, and also some gas cans.
Certainly possible, so just hang up the pump when its done.
– Criggie
2 hours ago
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Plenty of people don't have credit/debit cards, if they had cash in hand they were probably just one of those people. Cash first, fuel 2nd with you pumping, not much risk to you in that scenario.
Could it have been a ruse to get some free fuel from you or rob you while your guard was down? Sure, but seems less likely.
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@void_ptr OP pointed out it was credit only so cash wasn't an option.
– topshot
yesterday
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@topshot Most gas stations in my area have quite a few security cameras around the pumps, so it feels like a risky place to rob someone, but who knows, people are crazy.
– Hart CO
yesterday
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FYI New Zealand has been a leader in electronic transactions since the 90s. We have been using eftpos for 30+ years, so its not unusual. I personally use cash 5-6 times a year at most. You just have to have a bank account to get an eftpos card (which is different to a debit card in that it has no CC-like number) Whether account has funds in it, is another matter completely.
– Criggie
yesterday
7
My in-laws once needed fuel in NZ for their camper-van, only station was card-only and their German CC wasn't PIN-enabled, so it didn't work. They only got some fuel because someone came along and offered they could use his credit-card in exchange for cash.
– piet.t
17 hours ago
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Last year my only card was locked by the bank, I had to forgotten to refill the tank at a station which accepted cash and the only one I could reach only accepted card, so I had to ask a stranger that he'd use his card to pay for fuel and I reimbursed him in cash.
– baudsp
13 hours ago
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Plenty of people don't have credit/debit cards, if they had cash in hand they were probably just one of those people. Cash first, fuel 2nd with you pumping, not much risk to you in that scenario.
Could it have been a ruse to get some free fuel from you or rob you while your guard was down? Sure, but seems less likely.
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@void_ptr OP pointed out it was credit only so cash wasn't an option.
– topshot
yesterday
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@topshot Most gas stations in my area have quite a few security cameras around the pumps, so it feels like a risky place to rob someone, but who knows, people are crazy.
– Hart CO
yesterday
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FYI New Zealand has been a leader in electronic transactions since the 90s. We have been using eftpos for 30+ years, so its not unusual. I personally use cash 5-6 times a year at most. You just have to have a bank account to get an eftpos card (which is different to a debit card in that it has no CC-like number) Whether account has funds in it, is another matter completely.
– Criggie
yesterday
7
My in-laws once needed fuel in NZ for their camper-van, only station was card-only and their German CC wasn't PIN-enabled, so it didn't work. They only got some fuel because someone came along and offered they could use his credit-card in exchange for cash.
– piet.t
17 hours ago
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Last year my only card was locked by the bank, I had to forgotten to refill the tank at a station which accepted cash and the only one I could reach only accepted card, so I had to ask a stranger that he'd use his card to pay for fuel and I reimbursed him in cash.
– baudsp
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Plenty of people don't have credit/debit cards, if they had cash in hand they were probably just one of those people. Cash first, fuel 2nd with you pumping, not much risk to you in that scenario.
Could it have been a ruse to get some free fuel from you or rob you while your guard was down? Sure, but seems less likely.
Plenty of people don't have credit/debit cards, if they had cash in hand they were probably just one of those people. Cash first, fuel 2nd with you pumping, not much risk to you in that scenario.
Could it have been a ruse to get some free fuel from you or rob you while your guard was down? Sure, but seems less likely.
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@void_ptr OP pointed out it was credit only so cash wasn't an option.
– topshot
yesterday
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@topshot Most gas stations in my area have quite a few security cameras around the pumps, so it feels like a risky place to rob someone, but who knows, people are crazy.
– Hart CO
yesterday
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FYI New Zealand has been a leader in electronic transactions since the 90s. We have been using eftpos for 30+ years, so its not unusual. I personally use cash 5-6 times a year at most. You just have to have a bank account to get an eftpos card (which is different to a debit card in that it has no CC-like number) Whether account has funds in it, is another matter completely.
– Criggie
yesterday
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My in-laws once needed fuel in NZ for their camper-van, only station was card-only and their German CC wasn't PIN-enabled, so it didn't work. They only got some fuel because someone came along and offered they could use his credit-card in exchange for cash.
– piet.t
17 hours ago
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Last year my only card was locked by the bank, I had to forgotten to refill the tank at a station which accepted cash and the only one I could reach only accepted card, so I had to ask a stranger that he'd use his card to pay for fuel and I reimbursed him in cash.
– baudsp
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@void_ptr OP pointed out it was credit only so cash wasn't an option.
– topshot
yesterday
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@topshot Most gas stations in my area have quite a few security cameras around the pumps, so it feels like a risky place to rob someone, but who knows, people are crazy.
– Hart CO
yesterday
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FYI New Zealand has been a leader in electronic transactions since the 90s. We have been using eftpos for 30+ years, so its not unusual. I personally use cash 5-6 times a year at most. You just have to have a bank account to get an eftpos card (which is different to a debit card in that it has no CC-like number) Whether account has funds in it, is another matter completely.
– Criggie
yesterday
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My in-laws once needed fuel in NZ for their camper-van, only station was card-only and their German CC wasn't PIN-enabled, so it didn't work. They only got some fuel because someone came along and offered they could use his credit-card in exchange for cash.
– piet.t
17 hours ago
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Last year my only card was locked by the bank, I had to forgotten to refill the tank at a station which accepted cash and the only one I could reach only accepted card, so I had to ask a stranger that he'd use his card to pay for fuel and I reimbursed him in cash.
– baudsp
13 hours ago
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@void_ptr OP pointed out it was credit only so cash wasn't an option.
– topshot
yesterday
@void_ptr OP pointed out it was credit only so cash wasn't an option.
– topshot
yesterday
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@topshot Most gas stations in my area have quite a few security cameras around the pumps, so it feels like a risky place to rob someone, but who knows, people are crazy.
– Hart CO
yesterday
@topshot Most gas stations in my area have quite a few security cameras around the pumps, so it feels like a risky place to rob someone, but who knows, people are crazy.
– Hart CO
yesterday
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FYI New Zealand has been a leader in electronic transactions since the 90s. We have been using eftpos for 30+ years, so its not unusual. I personally use cash 5-6 times a year at most. You just have to have a bank account to get an eftpos card (which is different to a debit card in that it has no CC-like number) Whether account has funds in it, is another matter completely.
– Criggie
yesterday
FYI New Zealand has been a leader in electronic transactions since the 90s. We have been using eftpos for 30+ years, so its not unusual. I personally use cash 5-6 times a year at most. You just have to have a bank account to get an eftpos card (which is different to a debit card in that it has no CC-like number) Whether account has funds in it, is another matter completely.
– Criggie
yesterday
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My in-laws once needed fuel in NZ for their camper-van, only station was card-only and their German CC wasn't PIN-enabled, so it didn't work. They only got some fuel because someone came along and offered they could use his credit-card in exchange for cash.
– piet.t
17 hours ago
My in-laws once needed fuel in NZ for their camper-van, only station was card-only and their German CC wasn't PIN-enabled, so it didn't work. They only got some fuel because someone came along and offered they could use his credit-card in exchange for cash.
– piet.t
17 hours ago
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Last year my only card was locked by the bank, I had to forgotten to refill the tank at a station which accepted cash and the only one I could reach only accepted card, so I had to ask a stranger that he'd use his card to pay for fuel and I reimbursed him in cash.
– baudsp
13 hours ago
Last year my only card was locked by the bank, I had to forgotten to refill the tank at a station which accepted cash and the only one I could reach only accepted card, so I had to ask a stranger that he'd use his card to pay for fuel and I reimbursed him in cash.
– baudsp
13 hours ago
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In my experience scammers are actually trying to get cash, not goods, so it's possible, but I don't see an obvious play. Some possibilities that come to mind:
- She takes off before giving you the cash
- She gives you counterfeit cash (good enough to fool you but not trained merchants)
- Some sort of short-change sleight-of-hand (I have actually been victim to this)
- She somehow puts more on your card than just gas (not sure how that would work unless you gave her the card)
- She parlays your kindness into another purchase (food, etc.)
If it were me, I probably would have tried to help, being very careful not to fall for one of the above schemes, but I certainly don't blame you for being skeptical.
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That would not be money laundering, though. Money laundering is funneling cash from illegal activities through legal channels to hide its origin.
– D Stanley
yesterday
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One other risk to be aware of: credit card data skimmers installed on specific card readers at ATMs or gas stations. This is certainly less common than other issues mentioned, but it's something to be aware of in case there's suspicious pushiness about using a specific card reader.
– cr0
yesterday
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@cr0 but I don't see how that's a play for this alleged scammer. If there's a skimmer, the OP is going to be harmed regardless; if not, there's no harm.
– D Stanley
yesterday
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@AndrewLeach Sounds like you're talking about "passing" (counterfeit money) rather than "laundering" per se (concealing the source of real money for nefarious means.
– Geoffrey Brent
yesterday
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@DStanley re: skimmer, it could have just been on one, and by asking op to use it on that pump, she was guaranteed her mark, and doesn't have to leave the skimmer (which have been used to track the people down before).
– user73687
16 hours ago
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In my experience scammers are actually trying to get cash, not goods, so it's possible, but I don't see an obvious play. Some possibilities that come to mind:
- She takes off before giving you the cash
- She gives you counterfeit cash (good enough to fool you but not trained merchants)
- Some sort of short-change sleight-of-hand (I have actually been victim to this)
- She somehow puts more on your card than just gas (not sure how that would work unless you gave her the card)
- She parlays your kindness into another purchase (food, etc.)
If it were me, I probably would have tried to help, being very careful not to fall for one of the above schemes, but I certainly don't blame you for being skeptical.
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That would not be money laundering, though. Money laundering is funneling cash from illegal activities through legal channels to hide its origin.
– D Stanley
yesterday
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One other risk to be aware of: credit card data skimmers installed on specific card readers at ATMs or gas stations. This is certainly less common than other issues mentioned, but it's something to be aware of in case there's suspicious pushiness about using a specific card reader.
– cr0
yesterday
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@cr0 but I don't see how that's a play for this alleged scammer. If there's a skimmer, the OP is going to be harmed regardless; if not, there's no harm.
– D Stanley
yesterday
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@AndrewLeach Sounds like you're talking about "passing" (counterfeit money) rather than "laundering" per se (concealing the source of real money for nefarious means.
– Geoffrey Brent
yesterday
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@DStanley re: skimmer, it could have just been on one, and by asking op to use it on that pump, she was guaranteed her mark, and doesn't have to leave the skimmer (which have been used to track the people down before).
– user73687
16 hours ago
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In my experience scammers are actually trying to get cash, not goods, so it's possible, but I don't see an obvious play. Some possibilities that come to mind:
- She takes off before giving you the cash
- She gives you counterfeit cash (good enough to fool you but not trained merchants)
- Some sort of short-change sleight-of-hand (I have actually been victim to this)
- She somehow puts more on your card than just gas (not sure how that would work unless you gave her the card)
- She parlays your kindness into another purchase (food, etc.)
If it were me, I probably would have tried to help, being very careful not to fall for one of the above schemes, but I certainly don't blame you for being skeptical.
In my experience scammers are actually trying to get cash, not goods, so it's possible, but I don't see an obvious play. Some possibilities that come to mind:
- She takes off before giving you the cash
- She gives you counterfeit cash (good enough to fool you but not trained merchants)
- Some sort of short-change sleight-of-hand (I have actually been victim to this)
- She somehow puts more on your card than just gas (not sure how that would work unless you gave her the card)
- She parlays your kindness into another purchase (food, etc.)
If it were me, I probably would have tried to help, being very careful not to fall for one of the above schemes, but I certainly don't blame you for being skeptical.
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D StanleyD Stanley
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That would not be money laundering, though. Money laundering is funneling cash from illegal activities through legal channels to hide its origin.
– D Stanley
yesterday
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One other risk to be aware of: credit card data skimmers installed on specific card readers at ATMs or gas stations. This is certainly less common than other issues mentioned, but it's something to be aware of in case there's suspicious pushiness about using a specific card reader.
– cr0
yesterday
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@cr0 but I don't see how that's a play for this alleged scammer. If there's a skimmer, the OP is going to be harmed regardless; if not, there's no harm.
– D Stanley
yesterday
3
@AndrewLeach Sounds like you're talking about "passing" (counterfeit money) rather than "laundering" per se (concealing the source of real money for nefarious means.
– Geoffrey Brent
yesterday
2
@DStanley re: skimmer, it could have just been on one, and by asking op to use it on that pump, she was guaranteed her mark, and doesn't have to leave the skimmer (which have been used to track the people down before).
– user73687
16 hours ago
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That would not be money laundering, though. Money laundering is funneling cash from illegal activities through legal channels to hide its origin.
– D Stanley
yesterday
8
One other risk to be aware of: credit card data skimmers installed on specific card readers at ATMs or gas stations. This is certainly less common than other issues mentioned, but it's something to be aware of in case there's suspicious pushiness about using a specific card reader.
– cr0
yesterday
7
@cr0 but I don't see how that's a play for this alleged scammer. If there's a skimmer, the OP is going to be harmed regardless; if not, there's no harm.
– D Stanley
yesterday
3
@AndrewLeach Sounds like you're talking about "passing" (counterfeit money) rather than "laundering" per se (concealing the source of real money for nefarious means.
– Geoffrey Brent
yesterday
2
@DStanley re: skimmer, it could have just been on one, and by asking op to use it on that pump, she was guaranteed her mark, and doesn't have to leave the skimmer (which have been used to track the people down before).
– user73687
16 hours ago
6
6
That would not be money laundering, though. Money laundering is funneling cash from illegal activities through legal channels to hide its origin.
– D Stanley
yesterday
That would not be money laundering, though. Money laundering is funneling cash from illegal activities through legal channels to hide its origin.
– D Stanley
yesterday
8
8
One other risk to be aware of: credit card data skimmers installed on specific card readers at ATMs or gas stations. This is certainly less common than other issues mentioned, but it's something to be aware of in case there's suspicious pushiness about using a specific card reader.
– cr0
yesterday
One other risk to be aware of: credit card data skimmers installed on specific card readers at ATMs or gas stations. This is certainly less common than other issues mentioned, but it's something to be aware of in case there's suspicious pushiness about using a specific card reader.
– cr0
yesterday
7
7
@cr0 but I don't see how that's a play for this alleged scammer. If there's a skimmer, the OP is going to be harmed regardless; if not, there's no harm.
– D Stanley
yesterday
@cr0 but I don't see how that's a play for this alleged scammer. If there's a skimmer, the OP is going to be harmed regardless; if not, there's no harm.
– D Stanley
yesterday
3
3
@AndrewLeach Sounds like you're talking about "passing" (counterfeit money) rather than "laundering" per se (concealing the source of real money for nefarious means.
– Geoffrey Brent
yesterday
@AndrewLeach Sounds like you're talking about "passing" (counterfeit money) rather than "laundering" per se (concealing the source of real money for nefarious means.
– Geoffrey Brent
yesterday
2
2
@DStanley re: skimmer, it could have just been on one, and by asking op to use it on that pump, she was guaranteed her mark, and doesn't have to leave the skimmer (which have been used to track the people down before).
– user73687
16 hours ago
@DStanley re: skimmer, it could have just been on one, and by asking op to use it on that pump, she was guaranteed her mark, and doesn't have to leave the skimmer (which have been used to track the people down before).
– user73687
16 hours ago
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There's a small chance this was a scam, or a distraction for some third person to come and steal things from your car. Could also have been an attempt to pass counterfeit notes to an unsuspecting person (like a tourist)
But here in New Zealand we do have a number of automated petrol stations that sell 91, 95, diesel, and perhaps a carwash. They cannot sell LPG without a qualified attendant on site, but they occasionally might have vending machines. These are also known as "truck stops"
These automated bowsers have a card reader and will pre-debit up to $150 NZD off your balance before the pump handle is raised. That's how the service station makes sure you have the wherewithall to cover the unknown total cost. If you have a credit card, that pre-charge is simply "unavailable" but you're not paying interest on it.
However if you have a debit card or an eftpos card that "reservation" can cause financial hardship.
If it was me I'd totally make a spot judgement call about the person and decide whether to help or not. If it were a spanky new car and the person had smokes then I might decide no, but a frazzled mum driving a beat-up old 90s car is unlikely to be scamming you out of some dollars. I might even hit the bowser with "dispense $20 worth" on my card rather than "fill" and then just leave without taking cash, because its nice to do something for someone.
Source - I'm a kiwi.
Further info on card charge at robo-stations: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/08/petrol-stations-introduce-new-99-charge-pay-pump/ and https://gull.nz/faq/
Here's an automated fuel station. Has around 6 bowsers and sells liquid fuel only. There is nobody in attendance.
And here's the payment device at a different site. Notice that the fuel pump will not start unless the card has authorised, so if you don't have a card, or your balance is below a preset minimum, then the pump will not start.
So OP would HAVE to enter his own PIN - can't just hand over a card and share the PIN.
The reader will use the card's chip, and it may read the magstripe for confirmation but some simply ignore it. Then you MUST input your PIN. Once that validates the unit will pre-authorise $150 and signal the pump that it is allowed to start when the trigger is pressed.
So no card, no fuel. Insufficient funds and you can't even get $5 of petrol out of these things.
If its a scam, its a lot of work for a little bit of fuel.
1
Here's where I'll be cynical. Wouldn't a scammer TRY to look like a "frazzled mom" to produce exactly that effect?
– Patrice
yesterday
3
Scammers aren't normally that smart about it. Making legitimate money is generally easier.
– meh-uk
20 hours ago
@Patrice make judgement call at the time. Not everyone is a criminal - sometimes people do get caught out. I've added some pictures to show the gotcha.
– Criggie
17 hours ago
I've gotten scammed by the frazzled mum in the beat-up 90's car, you never can tell...
– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
In the US many gas pumps have signs indicating that is the credit card company not fuel station that locks the funds. My Google Foo is not up to finding references. But in theory it is because the credit card company does not finalize the charge for a couple of days.
– James Jenkins
9 hours ago
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show 1 more comment
There's a small chance this was a scam, or a distraction for some third person to come and steal things from your car. Could also have been an attempt to pass counterfeit notes to an unsuspecting person (like a tourist)
But here in New Zealand we do have a number of automated petrol stations that sell 91, 95, diesel, and perhaps a carwash. They cannot sell LPG without a qualified attendant on site, but they occasionally might have vending machines. These are also known as "truck stops"
These automated bowsers have a card reader and will pre-debit up to $150 NZD off your balance before the pump handle is raised. That's how the service station makes sure you have the wherewithall to cover the unknown total cost. If you have a credit card, that pre-charge is simply "unavailable" but you're not paying interest on it.
However if you have a debit card or an eftpos card that "reservation" can cause financial hardship.
If it was me I'd totally make a spot judgement call about the person and decide whether to help or not. If it were a spanky new car and the person had smokes then I might decide no, but a frazzled mum driving a beat-up old 90s car is unlikely to be scamming you out of some dollars. I might even hit the bowser with "dispense $20 worth" on my card rather than "fill" and then just leave without taking cash, because its nice to do something for someone.
Source - I'm a kiwi.
Further info on card charge at robo-stations: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/08/petrol-stations-introduce-new-99-charge-pay-pump/ and https://gull.nz/faq/
Here's an automated fuel station. Has around 6 bowsers and sells liquid fuel only. There is nobody in attendance.
And here's the payment device at a different site. Notice that the fuel pump will not start unless the card has authorised, so if you don't have a card, or your balance is below a preset minimum, then the pump will not start.
So OP would HAVE to enter his own PIN - can't just hand over a card and share the PIN.
The reader will use the card's chip, and it may read the magstripe for confirmation but some simply ignore it. Then you MUST input your PIN. Once that validates the unit will pre-authorise $150 and signal the pump that it is allowed to start when the trigger is pressed.
So no card, no fuel. Insufficient funds and you can't even get $5 of petrol out of these things.
If its a scam, its a lot of work for a little bit of fuel.
1
Here's where I'll be cynical. Wouldn't a scammer TRY to look like a "frazzled mom" to produce exactly that effect?
– Patrice
yesterday
3
Scammers aren't normally that smart about it. Making legitimate money is generally easier.
– meh-uk
20 hours ago
@Patrice make judgement call at the time. Not everyone is a criminal - sometimes people do get caught out. I've added some pictures to show the gotcha.
– Criggie
17 hours ago
I've gotten scammed by the frazzled mum in the beat-up 90's car, you never can tell...
– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
In the US many gas pumps have signs indicating that is the credit card company not fuel station that locks the funds. My Google Foo is not up to finding references. But in theory it is because the credit card company does not finalize the charge for a couple of days.
– James Jenkins
9 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
There's a small chance this was a scam, or a distraction for some third person to come and steal things from your car. Could also have been an attempt to pass counterfeit notes to an unsuspecting person (like a tourist)
But here in New Zealand we do have a number of automated petrol stations that sell 91, 95, diesel, and perhaps a carwash. They cannot sell LPG without a qualified attendant on site, but they occasionally might have vending machines. These are also known as "truck stops"
These automated bowsers have a card reader and will pre-debit up to $150 NZD off your balance before the pump handle is raised. That's how the service station makes sure you have the wherewithall to cover the unknown total cost. If you have a credit card, that pre-charge is simply "unavailable" but you're not paying interest on it.
However if you have a debit card or an eftpos card that "reservation" can cause financial hardship.
If it was me I'd totally make a spot judgement call about the person and decide whether to help or not. If it were a spanky new car and the person had smokes then I might decide no, but a frazzled mum driving a beat-up old 90s car is unlikely to be scamming you out of some dollars. I might even hit the bowser with "dispense $20 worth" on my card rather than "fill" and then just leave without taking cash, because its nice to do something for someone.
Source - I'm a kiwi.
Further info on card charge at robo-stations: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/08/petrol-stations-introduce-new-99-charge-pay-pump/ and https://gull.nz/faq/
Here's an automated fuel station. Has around 6 bowsers and sells liquid fuel only. There is nobody in attendance.
And here's the payment device at a different site. Notice that the fuel pump will not start unless the card has authorised, so if you don't have a card, or your balance is below a preset minimum, then the pump will not start.
So OP would HAVE to enter his own PIN - can't just hand over a card and share the PIN.
The reader will use the card's chip, and it may read the magstripe for confirmation but some simply ignore it. Then you MUST input your PIN. Once that validates the unit will pre-authorise $150 and signal the pump that it is allowed to start when the trigger is pressed.
So no card, no fuel. Insufficient funds and you can't even get $5 of petrol out of these things.
If its a scam, its a lot of work for a little bit of fuel.
There's a small chance this was a scam, or a distraction for some third person to come and steal things from your car. Could also have been an attempt to pass counterfeit notes to an unsuspecting person (like a tourist)
But here in New Zealand we do have a number of automated petrol stations that sell 91, 95, diesel, and perhaps a carwash. They cannot sell LPG without a qualified attendant on site, but they occasionally might have vending machines. These are also known as "truck stops"
These automated bowsers have a card reader and will pre-debit up to $150 NZD off your balance before the pump handle is raised. That's how the service station makes sure you have the wherewithall to cover the unknown total cost. If you have a credit card, that pre-charge is simply "unavailable" but you're not paying interest on it.
However if you have a debit card or an eftpos card that "reservation" can cause financial hardship.
If it was me I'd totally make a spot judgement call about the person and decide whether to help or not. If it were a spanky new car and the person had smokes then I might decide no, but a frazzled mum driving a beat-up old 90s car is unlikely to be scamming you out of some dollars. I might even hit the bowser with "dispense $20 worth" on my card rather than "fill" and then just leave without taking cash, because its nice to do something for someone.
Source - I'm a kiwi.
Further info on card charge at robo-stations: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/08/petrol-stations-introduce-new-99-charge-pay-pump/ and https://gull.nz/faq/
Here's an automated fuel station. Has around 6 bowsers and sells liquid fuel only. There is nobody in attendance.
And here's the payment device at a different site. Notice that the fuel pump will not start unless the card has authorised, so if you don't have a card, or your balance is below a preset minimum, then the pump will not start.
So OP would HAVE to enter his own PIN - can't just hand over a card and share the PIN.
The reader will use the card's chip, and it may read the magstripe for confirmation but some simply ignore it. Then you MUST input your PIN. Once that validates the unit will pre-authorise $150 and signal the pump that it is allowed to start when the trigger is pressed.
So no card, no fuel. Insufficient funds and you can't even get $5 of petrol out of these things.
If its a scam, its a lot of work for a little bit of fuel.
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Here's where I'll be cynical. Wouldn't a scammer TRY to look like a "frazzled mom" to produce exactly that effect?
– Patrice
yesterday
3
Scammers aren't normally that smart about it. Making legitimate money is generally easier.
– meh-uk
20 hours ago
@Patrice make judgement call at the time. Not everyone is a criminal - sometimes people do get caught out. I've added some pictures to show the gotcha.
– Criggie
17 hours ago
I've gotten scammed by the frazzled mum in the beat-up 90's car, you never can tell...
– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
In the US many gas pumps have signs indicating that is the credit card company not fuel station that locks the funds. My Google Foo is not up to finding references. But in theory it is because the credit card company does not finalize the charge for a couple of days.
– James Jenkins
9 hours ago
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show 1 more comment
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Here's where I'll be cynical. Wouldn't a scammer TRY to look like a "frazzled mom" to produce exactly that effect?
– Patrice
yesterday
3
Scammers aren't normally that smart about it. Making legitimate money is generally easier.
– meh-uk
20 hours ago
@Patrice make judgement call at the time. Not everyone is a criminal - sometimes people do get caught out. I've added some pictures to show the gotcha.
– Criggie
17 hours ago
I've gotten scammed by the frazzled mum in the beat-up 90's car, you never can tell...
– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
In the US many gas pumps have signs indicating that is the credit card company not fuel station that locks the funds. My Google Foo is not up to finding references. But in theory it is because the credit card company does not finalize the charge for a couple of days.
– James Jenkins
9 hours ago
1
1
Here's where I'll be cynical. Wouldn't a scammer TRY to look like a "frazzled mom" to produce exactly that effect?
– Patrice
yesterday
Here's where I'll be cynical. Wouldn't a scammer TRY to look like a "frazzled mom" to produce exactly that effect?
– Patrice
yesterday
3
3
Scammers aren't normally that smart about it. Making legitimate money is generally easier.
– meh-uk
20 hours ago
Scammers aren't normally that smart about it. Making legitimate money is generally easier.
– meh-uk
20 hours ago
@Patrice make judgement call at the time. Not everyone is a criminal - sometimes people do get caught out. I've added some pictures to show the gotcha.
– Criggie
17 hours ago
@Patrice make judgement call at the time. Not everyone is a criminal - sometimes people do get caught out. I've added some pictures to show the gotcha.
– Criggie
17 hours ago
I've gotten scammed by the frazzled mum in the beat-up 90's car, you never can tell...
– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
I've gotten scammed by the frazzled mum in the beat-up 90's car, you never can tell...
– Nuclear Wang
13 hours ago
In the US many gas pumps have signs indicating that is the credit card company not fuel station that locks the funds. My Google Foo is not up to finding references. But in theory it is because the credit card company does not finalize the charge for a couple of days.
– James Jenkins
9 hours ago
In the US many gas pumps have signs indicating that is the credit card company not fuel station that locks the funds. My Google Foo is not up to finding references. But in theory it is because the credit card company does not finalize the charge for a couple of days.
– James Jenkins
9 hours ago
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Since the cash option wasn't available at that time, I think Occam's Razor probably applies. Sure a scam is possible, but IMHO that would more likely have involved someone with no money and no wallet begging you to not leave them stranded at the gas station.
A similar scenario happened to me once. I was getting gas late at night at a station that only accepts credit/debit cards during unstaffed hours. There was one other car trying to get gas and I heard the guy swearing at the pump. I looked over at him and he kind of threw his hands up in desperation so I asked him if he needed help. He said his card was being declined. I suggested he try another card and he didn't have one, so I asked him if he had any cash. He offered me $8 in cash for $5 of gas. I told him no need, just $5 is fine. As I swiped my card it occurred to me that I had no way of limiting the sale to $5, so I said I'd pump it myself. He agreed while thanking me a thousand times. I wasn't perfect and he actually got $5.01 in gas. As I got back in my car I realized that I still profited 9 cents due to my 2% credit card points. (And then chuckled at the ridiculousness that my brain automatically calculated that.)
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Since the cash option wasn't available at that time, I think Occam's Razor probably applies. Sure a scam is possible, but IMHO that would more likely have involved someone with no money and no wallet begging you to not leave them stranded at the gas station.
A similar scenario happened to me once. I was getting gas late at night at a station that only accepts credit/debit cards during unstaffed hours. There was one other car trying to get gas and I heard the guy swearing at the pump. I looked over at him and he kind of threw his hands up in desperation so I asked him if he needed help. He said his card was being declined. I suggested he try another card and he didn't have one, so I asked him if he had any cash. He offered me $8 in cash for $5 of gas. I told him no need, just $5 is fine. As I swiped my card it occurred to me that I had no way of limiting the sale to $5, so I said I'd pump it myself. He agreed while thanking me a thousand times. I wasn't perfect and he actually got $5.01 in gas. As I got back in my car I realized that I still profited 9 cents due to my 2% credit card points. (And then chuckled at the ridiculousness that my brain automatically calculated that.)
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Since the cash option wasn't available at that time, I think Occam's Razor probably applies. Sure a scam is possible, but IMHO that would more likely have involved someone with no money and no wallet begging you to not leave them stranded at the gas station.
A similar scenario happened to me once. I was getting gas late at night at a station that only accepts credit/debit cards during unstaffed hours. There was one other car trying to get gas and I heard the guy swearing at the pump. I looked over at him and he kind of threw his hands up in desperation so I asked him if he needed help. He said his card was being declined. I suggested he try another card and he didn't have one, so I asked him if he had any cash. He offered me $8 in cash for $5 of gas. I told him no need, just $5 is fine. As I swiped my card it occurred to me that I had no way of limiting the sale to $5, so I said I'd pump it myself. He agreed while thanking me a thousand times. I wasn't perfect and he actually got $5.01 in gas. As I got back in my car I realized that I still profited 9 cents due to my 2% credit card points. (And then chuckled at the ridiculousness that my brain automatically calculated that.)
Since the cash option wasn't available at that time, I think Occam's Razor probably applies. Sure a scam is possible, but IMHO that would more likely have involved someone with no money and no wallet begging you to not leave them stranded at the gas station.
A similar scenario happened to me once. I was getting gas late at night at a station that only accepts credit/debit cards during unstaffed hours. There was one other car trying to get gas and I heard the guy swearing at the pump. I looked over at him and he kind of threw his hands up in desperation so I asked him if he needed help. He said his card was being declined. I suggested he try another card and he didn't have one, so I asked him if he had any cash. He offered me $8 in cash for $5 of gas. I told him no need, just $5 is fine. As I swiped my card it occurred to me that I had no way of limiting the sale to $5, so I said I'd pump it myself. He agreed while thanking me a thousand times. I wasn't perfect and he actually got $5.01 in gas. As I got back in my car I realized that I still profited 9 cents due to my 2% credit card points. (And then chuckled at the ridiculousness that my brain automatically calculated that.)
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If she never touches your card it is really just you selling her a gallon of fuel, not that big a deal. If she wants to buy a full tank then check the security features on the currency.
If there is an alternate petrol station nearby suggest they try there for cash transaction or just donate her the fuel to get there if her car is on fumes. I would ask them to pay it forward rather than accept a small amount. If you feel victimised ask to check her fuel gauge first to verify the need.
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If she never touches your card it is really just you selling her a gallon of fuel, not that big a deal. If she wants to buy a full tank then check the security features on the currency.
If there is an alternate petrol station nearby suggest they try there for cash transaction or just donate her the fuel to get there if her car is on fumes. I would ask them to pay it forward rather than accept a small amount. If you feel victimised ask to check her fuel gauge first to verify the need.
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If she never touches your card it is really just you selling her a gallon of fuel, not that big a deal. If she wants to buy a full tank then check the security features on the currency.
If there is an alternate petrol station nearby suggest they try there for cash transaction or just donate her the fuel to get there if her car is on fumes. I would ask them to pay it forward rather than accept a small amount. If you feel victimised ask to check her fuel gauge first to verify the need.
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If she never touches your card it is really just you selling her a gallon of fuel, not that big a deal. If she wants to buy a full tank then check the security features on the currency.
If there is an alternate petrol station nearby suggest they try there for cash transaction or just donate her the fuel to get there if her car is on fumes. I would ask them to pay it forward rather than accept a small amount. If you feel victimised ask to check her fuel gauge first to verify the need.
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Some people don't have or carry credit cards, for various reasons... so this could be legit. But there are ways of using this situation to take advantage of someone.
One way it could be a scam is that she does this all day hoping someone hands her their card for her to go swipe at the machine, during which time she can photograph it and use it for online purchases later or sell the card's info.
Another way this could be a scam is if she is trying to use this as a distraction, either to mug you or to pickpocket you, possibly with the help of someone else. (Less likely due to all the security cameras at gas stations, but criminals aren't always the brightest minds).
One way to protect yourself is to take her $20 cash, pre-approve to pump up to $20 on your card, swipe the card yourself and walk away. It's quick and you don't have to stand there and pump it yourself.
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Is it possible to limit the pump to $20 at the start? I thought it pre-approved a high amount on your card so that it wouldn't limit you.
– acestar
yesterday
@acestar depends on the pump but it’s more and more common to see pumps that offer the ability to limit the amount of fuel dispensed, especially on ones that take card.
– Notts90
18 hours ago
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Some people don't have or carry credit cards, for various reasons... so this could be legit. But there are ways of using this situation to take advantage of someone.
One way it could be a scam is that she does this all day hoping someone hands her their card for her to go swipe at the machine, during which time she can photograph it and use it for online purchases later or sell the card's info.
Another way this could be a scam is if she is trying to use this as a distraction, either to mug you or to pickpocket you, possibly with the help of someone else. (Less likely due to all the security cameras at gas stations, but criminals aren't always the brightest minds).
One way to protect yourself is to take her $20 cash, pre-approve to pump up to $20 on your card, swipe the card yourself and walk away. It's quick and you don't have to stand there and pump it yourself.
1
Is it possible to limit the pump to $20 at the start? I thought it pre-approved a high amount on your card so that it wouldn't limit you.
– acestar
yesterday
@acestar depends on the pump but it’s more and more common to see pumps that offer the ability to limit the amount of fuel dispensed, especially on ones that take card.
– Notts90
18 hours ago
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Some people don't have or carry credit cards, for various reasons... so this could be legit. But there are ways of using this situation to take advantage of someone.
One way it could be a scam is that she does this all day hoping someone hands her their card for her to go swipe at the machine, during which time she can photograph it and use it for online purchases later or sell the card's info.
Another way this could be a scam is if she is trying to use this as a distraction, either to mug you or to pickpocket you, possibly with the help of someone else. (Less likely due to all the security cameras at gas stations, but criminals aren't always the brightest minds).
One way to protect yourself is to take her $20 cash, pre-approve to pump up to $20 on your card, swipe the card yourself and walk away. It's quick and you don't have to stand there and pump it yourself.
Some people don't have or carry credit cards, for various reasons... so this could be legit. But there are ways of using this situation to take advantage of someone.
One way it could be a scam is that she does this all day hoping someone hands her their card for her to go swipe at the machine, during which time she can photograph it and use it for online purchases later or sell the card's info.
Another way this could be a scam is if she is trying to use this as a distraction, either to mug you or to pickpocket you, possibly with the help of someone else. (Less likely due to all the security cameras at gas stations, but criminals aren't always the brightest minds).
One way to protect yourself is to take her $20 cash, pre-approve to pump up to $20 on your card, swipe the card yourself and walk away. It's quick and you don't have to stand there and pump it yourself.
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Alexandre AubreyAlexandre Aubrey
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Is it possible to limit the pump to $20 at the start? I thought it pre-approved a high amount on your card so that it wouldn't limit you.
– acestar
yesterday
@acestar depends on the pump but it’s more and more common to see pumps that offer the ability to limit the amount of fuel dispensed, especially on ones that take card.
– Notts90
18 hours ago
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Is it possible to limit the pump to $20 at the start? I thought it pre-approved a high amount on your card so that it wouldn't limit you.
– acestar
yesterday
@acestar depends on the pump but it’s more and more common to see pumps that offer the ability to limit the amount of fuel dispensed, especially on ones that take card.
– Notts90
18 hours ago
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Is it possible to limit the pump to $20 at the start? I thought it pre-approved a high amount on your card so that it wouldn't limit you.
– acestar
yesterday
Is it possible to limit the pump to $20 at the start? I thought it pre-approved a high amount on your card so that it wouldn't limit you.
– acestar
yesterday
@acestar depends on the pump but it’s more and more common to see pumps that offer the ability to limit the amount of fuel dispensed, especially on ones that take card.
– Notts90
18 hours ago
@acestar depends on the pump but it’s more and more common to see pumps that offer the ability to limit the amount of fuel dispensed, especially on ones that take card.
– Notts90
18 hours ago
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The cash could have been counterfeit. It very well could have been a scam.
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You could say that about pretty much every cash transaction ever...
– colmde
13 hours ago
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The cash could have been counterfeit. It very well could have been a scam.
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You could say that about pretty much every cash transaction ever...
– colmde
13 hours ago
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The cash could have been counterfeit. It very well could have been a scam.
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The cash could have been counterfeit. It very well could have been a scam.
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You could say that about pretty much every cash transaction ever...
– colmde
13 hours ago
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You could say that about pretty much every cash transaction ever...
– colmde
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You could say that about pretty much every cash transaction ever...
– colmde
13 hours ago
You could say that about pretty much every cash transaction ever...
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To offer a different perspective here.
We had an issue here in the states where someone would do something similar. They get you to run your card, or they prevent the pump from properly hanging up and completing a transaction after someone has finished.
Then, once they have access to an active pump, they come through with like 5 cars and fill them all up, and also some gas cans.
Certainly possible, so just hang up the pump when its done.
– Criggie
2 hours ago
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To offer a different perspective here.
We had an issue here in the states where someone would do something similar. They get you to run your card, or they prevent the pump from properly hanging up and completing a transaction after someone has finished.
Then, once they have access to an active pump, they come through with like 5 cars and fill them all up, and also some gas cans.
Certainly possible, so just hang up the pump when its done.
– Criggie
2 hours ago
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To offer a different perspective here.
We had an issue here in the states where someone would do something similar. They get you to run your card, or they prevent the pump from properly hanging up and completing a transaction after someone has finished.
Then, once they have access to an active pump, they come through with like 5 cars and fill them all up, and also some gas cans.
To offer a different perspective here.
We had an issue here in the states where someone would do something similar. They get you to run your card, or they prevent the pump from properly hanging up and completing a transaction after someone has finished.
Then, once they have access to an active pump, they come through with like 5 cars and fill them all up, and also some gas cans.
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Anthony RussellAnthony Russell
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Certainly possible, so just hang up the pump when its done.
– Criggie
2 hours ago
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Certainly possible, so just hang up the pump when its done.
– Criggie
2 hours ago
Certainly possible, so just hang up the pump when its done.
– Criggie
2 hours ago
Certainly possible, so just hang up the pump when its done.
– Criggie
2 hours ago
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NZ$5 of gas won't get you to the next gas station ... ;)
– Rupert Morrish
yesterday
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Doesn't sound like she pushed very hard. I would expect a scammer to be more insistent. More likely someone who just didn't have a bank card.
– Seth R
yesterday
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A rural pump station that doesn't accept cash? Seems very unlikely to me, but I've never been to NZ.
– only_pro
yesterday
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It's also possible she was trying to avoid having a credit card charge which would reveal that she was at that location.
– mowwwalker
yesterday
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With so many online scams reported here, we may get paranoid, but we don’t HAVE to find a scam into every interaction, especially in real-life.
– Sebastiaan van den Broek
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