What happens if a dragon in Waterdeep has permission to enter the city revoked?
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The Waterdeep: Dragon Heist adventure (in a sidebar on p. 6) gives details of
AHGHAIRON'S DRAGONWARD
In it it states:
Waterdeep is blanketed by an undispellable magical effect called Ahghairon’s dragonward. The effect originates from somewhere under Ahghairon’s Tower in the Castle Ward and is permanent. Dragons and all other creatures of the dragon type are physically unable to enter the city (or its sewers) as long as the dragonward persists. The effect doesn’t extend to the harbor or into Undermountain.
Of specific interest are the way(s) a dragon can get permission:
A creature of the dragon type that is touched by the dragonstaff of Ahghairon (see appendix A) can ignore Ahghairon’s dragonward and move through the city freely. The effect lasts until the creature is touched again by the staff, or until the passage of a period of time specified by one who is attuned to the staff.
This makes it pretty clear that a dragon who has been so permitted may move through the city freely. It leaves silent what happens to a dragon who has this permission rescinded while they are still in the city.
Is there any lore from previous editions or elsewhere that describes what happens in such an event?
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The Waterdeep: Dragon Heist adventure (in a sidebar on p. 6) gives details of
AHGHAIRON'S DRAGONWARD
In it it states:
Waterdeep is blanketed by an undispellable magical effect called Ahghairon’s dragonward. The effect originates from somewhere under Ahghairon’s Tower in the Castle Ward and is permanent. Dragons and all other creatures of the dragon type are physically unable to enter the city (or its sewers) as long as the dragonward persists. The effect doesn’t extend to the harbor or into Undermountain.
Of specific interest are the way(s) a dragon can get permission:
A creature of the dragon type that is touched by the dragonstaff of Ahghairon (see appendix A) can ignore Ahghairon’s dragonward and move through the city freely. The effect lasts until the creature is touched again by the staff, or until the passage of a period of time specified by one who is attuned to the staff.
This makes it pretty clear that a dragon who has been so permitted may move through the city freely. It leaves silent what happens to a dragon who has this permission rescinded while they are still in the city.
Is there any lore from previous editions or elsewhere that describes what happens in such an event?
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The Waterdeep: Dragon Heist adventure (in a sidebar on p. 6) gives details of
AHGHAIRON'S DRAGONWARD
In it it states:
Waterdeep is blanketed by an undispellable magical effect called Ahghairon’s dragonward. The effect originates from somewhere under Ahghairon’s Tower in the Castle Ward and is permanent. Dragons and all other creatures of the dragon type are physically unable to enter the city (or its sewers) as long as the dragonward persists. The effect doesn’t extend to the harbor or into Undermountain.
Of specific interest are the way(s) a dragon can get permission:
A creature of the dragon type that is touched by the dragonstaff of Ahghairon (see appendix A) can ignore Ahghairon’s dragonward and move through the city freely. The effect lasts until the creature is touched again by the staff, or until the passage of a period of time specified by one who is attuned to the staff.
This makes it pretty clear that a dragon who has been so permitted may move through the city freely. It leaves silent what happens to a dragon who has this permission rescinded while they are still in the city.
Is there any lore from previous editions or elsewhere that describes what happens in such an event?
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The Waterdeep: Dragon Heist adventure (in a sidebar on p. 6) gives details of
AHGHAIRON'S DRAGONWARD
In it it states:
Waterdeep is blanketed by an undispellable magical effect called Ahghairon’s dragonward. The effect originates from somewhere under Ahghairon’s Tower in the Castle Ward and is permanent. Dragons and all other creatures of the dragon type are physically unable to enter the city (or its sewers) as long as the dragonward persists. The effect doesn’t extend to the harbor or into Undermountain.
Of specific interest are the way(s) a dragon can get permission:
A creature of the dragon type that is touched by the dragonstaff of Ahghairon (see appendix A) can ignore Ahghairon’s dragonward and move through the city freely. The effect lasts until the creature is touched again by the staff, or until the passage of a period of time specified by one who is attuned to the staff.
This makes it pretty clear that a dragon who has been so permitted may move through the city freely. It leaves silent what happens to a dragon who has this permission rescinded while they are still in the city.
Is there any lore from previous editions or elsewhere that describes what happens in such an event?
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Yes, the 3.5e book City of Splendors: Waterdeep has extensive detail on this effect on page 20. In general this resource is an excellent companion item to the adventure Waterdeep: Dragon Heist for a whole host of other detail in the book.
In particular if a dragons permission is revoked they are subject to the effect which is:
an antipathy effect created by a mythal centered under Aghairon's Tower. The saving throw required under 3.5e was a Will Save of 41. Translating that into 5e is something I don't have enough experience of, but I would suspect that the minimum DC would be 30 for this under 5e.
The
Antipathy/Sympathy
spell from 5e, states that an affected creature feels
an intense urge to leave the area and avoid the target, and that the creature must succeed on a Wisdom Saving Throw or become frightened. [...] While frightened by the target, the creature must use its movement to move to the nearest safe spot from which it can't see the target [or is 60ft from it]
If the creature is successful in their save:
they become immune to the effect for 1 minute, after which time it can be affected again. (see Ending the Effect in the 5e spell)
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I think the "target", in this case, should be the entire area covered by the ward, similar to the "200-foot cube" option of the actual Antipathy spell. This means a dragon that fails its save would be forced to actually leave the city, not merely stay away from Ahghairon’s Tower, a point that was unclear to me before looking up the spell's wording about what it can target.
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The 5e version shouldn't allow a save, since all the relevant dragons have 'Legendary Resistance' and 41 was a pretty good total even for 3.5; a Great Wyrm Red Dragon would have a 50% chance of failing that save (assuming it had no defences up). The ease with which creatures can become immune to fear effects in 5e is a sufficient replacement for the 3.5 saving throw.
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@Douglas yes, for this specific spell the area covered is the entire city, not just Aghairon's Tower. This is mentioned in the question (first large block of spoiler text)
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@thedarkwanderer The 5e version would allow a save, however that save would need to be repeated by a dragon every minute until it was affected (as per the last point in the answer). That need for repeated saves against a super high DC will burn through those legendary resistances pretty quickly.
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Yes, the 3.5e book City of Splendors: Waterdeep has extensive detail on this effect on page 20. In general this resource is an excellent companion item to the adventure Waterdeep: Dragon Heist for a whole host of other detail in the book.
In particular if a dragons permission is revoked they are subject to the effect which is:
an antipathy effect created by a mythal centered under Aghairon's Tower. The saving throw required under 3.5e was a Will Save of 41. Translating that into 5e is something I don't have enough experience of, but I would suspect that the minimum DC would be 30 for this under 5e.
The
Antipathy/Sympathy
spell from 5e, states that an affected creature feels
an intense urge to leave the area and avoid the target, and that the creature must succeed on a Wisdom Saving Throw or become frightened. [...] While frightened by the target, the creature must use its movement to move to the nearest safe spot from which it can't see the target [or is 60ft from it]
If the creature is successful in their save:
they become immune to the effect for 1 minute, after which time it can be affected again. (see Ending the Effect in the 5e spell)
edited 6 hours ago
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I think the "target", in this case, should be the entire area covered by the ward, similar to the "200-foot cube" option of the actual Antipathy spell. This means a dragon that fails its save would be forced to actually leave the city, not merely stay away from Ahghairon’s Tower, a point that was unclear to me before looking up the spell's wording about what it can target.
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– Douglas
6 hours ago
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The 5e version shouldn't allow a save, since all the relevant dragons have 'Legendary Resistance' and 41 was a pretty good total even for 3.5; a Great Wyrm Red Dragon would have a 50% chance of failing that save (assuming it had no defences up). The ease with which creatures can become immune to fear effects in 5e is a sufficient replacement for the 3.5 saving throw.
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– the dark wanderer
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@Douglas yes, for this specific spell the area covered is the entire city, not just Aghairon's Tower. This is mentioned in the question (first large block of spoiler text)
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@thedarkwanderer The 5e version would allow a save, however that save would need to be repeated by a dragon every minute until it was affected (as per the last point in the answer). That need for repeated saves against a super high DC will burn through those legendary resistances pretty quickly.
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Yes, the 3.5e book City of Splendors: Waterdeep has extensive detail on this effect on page 20. In general this resource is an excellent companion item to the adventure Waterdeep: Dragon Heist for a whole host of other detail in the book.
In particular if a dragons permission is revoked they are subject to the effect which is:
an antipathy effect created by a mythal centered under Aghairon's Tower. The saving throw required under 3.5e was a Will Save of 41. Translating that into 5e is something I don't have enough experience of, but I would suspect that the minimum DC would be 30 for this under 5e.
The
Antipathy/Sympathy
spell from 5e, states that an affected creature feels
an intense urge to leave the area and avoid the target, and that the creature must succeed on a Wisdom Saving Throw or become frightened. [...] While frightened by the target, the creature must use its movement to move to the nearest safe spot from which it can't see the target [or is 60ft from it]
If the creature is successful in their save:
they become immune to the effect for 1 minute, after which time it can be affected again. (see Ending the Effect in the 5e spell)
edited 6 hours ago
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answered 10 hours ago
illustroillustro
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I think the "target", in this case, should be the entire area covered by the ward, similar to the "200-foot cube" option of the actual Antipathy spell. This means a dragon that fails its save would be forced to actually leave the city, not merely stay away from Ahghairon’s Tower, a point that was unclear to me before looking up the spell's wording about what it can target.
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– Douglas
6 hours ago
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The 5e version shouldn't allow a save, since all the relevant dragons have 'Legendary Resistance' and 41 was a pretty good total even for 3.5; a Great Wyrm Red Dragon would have a 50% chance of failing that save (assuming it had no defences up). The ease with which creatures can become immune to fear effects in 5e is a sufficient replacement for the 3.5 saving throw.
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– the dark wanderer
6 hours ago
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@Douglas yes, for this specific spell the area covered is the entire city, not just Aghairon's Tower. This is mentioned in the question (first large block of spoiler text)
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– illustro
4 hours ago
1
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@thedarkwanderer The 5e version would allow a save, however that save would need to be repeated by a dragon every minute until it was affected (as per the last point in the answer). That need for repeated saves against a super high DC will burn through those legendary resistances pretty quickly.
$endgroup$
– illustro
4 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Yes, the 3.5e book City of Splendors: Waterdeep has extensive detail on this effect on page 20. In general this resource is an excellent companion item to the adventure Waterdeep: Dragon Heist for a whole host of other detail in the book.
In particular if a dragons permission is revoked they are subject to the effect which is:
an antipathy effect created by a mythal centered under Aghairon's Tower. The saving throw required under 3.5e was a Will Save of 41. Translating that into 5e is something I don't have enough experience of, but I would suspect that the minimum DC would be 30 for this under 5e.
The
Antipathy/Sympathy
spell from 5e, states that an affected creature feels
an intense urge to leave the area and avoid the target, and that the creature must succeed on a Wisdom Saving Throw or become frightened. [...] While frightened by the target, the creature must use its movement to move to the nearest safe spot from which it can't see the target [or is 60ft from it]
If the creature is successful in their save:
they become immune to the effect for 1 minute, after which time it can be affected again. (see Ending the Effect in the 5e spell)
edited 6 hours ago
Matthieu M.
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answered 10 hours ago
illustroillustro
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$endgroup$
Yes, the 3.5e book City of Splendors: Waterdeep has extensive detail on this effect on page 20. In general this resource is an excellent companion item to the adventure Waterdeep: Dragon Heist for a whole host of other detail in the book.
In particular if a dragons permission is revoked they are subject to the effect which is:
an antipathy effect created by a mythal centered under Aghairon's Tower. The saving throw required under 3.5e was a Will Save of 41. Translating that into 5e is something I don't have enough experience of, but I would suspect that the minimum DC would be 30 for this under 5e.
The
Antipathy/Sympathy
spell from 5e, states that an affected creature feels
an intense urge to leave the area and avoid the target, and that the creature must succeed on a Wisdom Saving Throw or become frightened. [...] While frightened by the target, the creature must use its movement to move to the nearest safe spot from which it can't see the target [or is 60ft from it]
If the creature is successful in their save:
they become immune to the effect for 1 minute, after which time it can be affected again. (see Ending the Effect in the 5e spell)
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Matthieu M.
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answered 10 hours ago
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I think the "target", in this case, should be the entire area covered by the ward, similar to the "200-foot cube" option of the actual Antipathy spell. This means a dragon that fails its save would be forced to actually leave the city, not merely stay away from Ahghairon’s Tower, a point that was unclear to me before looking up the spell's wording about what it can target.
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– Douglas
6 hours ago
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The 5e version shouldn't allow a save, since all the relevant dragons have 'Legendary Resistance' and 41 was a pretty good total even for 3.5; a Great Wyrm Red Dragon would have a 50% chance of failing that save (assuming it had no defences up). The ease with which creatures can become immune to fear effects in 5e is a sufficient replacement for the 3.5 saving throw.
$endgroup$
– the dark wanderer
6 hours ago
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@Douglas yes, for this specific spell the area covered is the entire city, not just Aghairon's Tower. This is mentioned in the question (first large block of spoiler text)
$endgroup$
– illustro
4 hours ago
1
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@thedarkwanderer The 5e version would allow a save, however that save would need to be repeated by a dragon every minute until it was affected (as per the last point in the answer). That need for repeated saves against a super high DC will burn through those legendary resistances pretty quickly.
$endgroup$
– illustro
4 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
I think the "target", in this case, should be the entire area covered by the ward, similar to the "200-foot cube" option of the actual Antipathy spell. This means a dragon that fails its save would be forced to actually leave the city, not merely stay away from Ahghairon’s Tower, a point that was unclear to me before looking up the spell's wording about what it can target.
$endgroup$
– Douglas
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
The 5e version shouldn't allow a save, since all the relevant dragons have 'Legendary Resistance' and 41 was a pretty good total even for 3.5; a Great Wyrm Red Dragon would have a 50% chance of failing that save (assuming it had no defences up). The ease with which creatures can become immune to fear effects in 5e is a sufficient replacement for the 3.5 saving throw.
$endgroup$
– the dark wanderer
6 hours ago
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@Douglas yes, for this specific spell the area covered is the entire city, not just Aghairon's Tower. This is mentioned in the question (first large block of spoiler text)
$endgroup$
– illustro
4 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@thedarkwanderer The 5e version would allow a save, however that save would need to be repeated by a dragon every minute until it was affected (as per the last point in the answer). That need for repeated saves against a super high DC will burn through those legendary resistances pretty quickly.
$endgroup$
– illustro
4 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
I think the "target", in this case, should be the entire area covered by the ward, similar to the "200-foot cube" option of the actual Antipathy spell. This means a dragon that fails its save would be forced to actually leave the city, not merely stay away from Ahghairon’s Tower, a point that was unclear to me before looking up the spell's wording about what it can target.
$endgroup$
– Douglas
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
I think the "target", in this case, should be the entire area covered by the ward, similar to the "200-foot cube" option of the actual Antipathy spell. This means a dragon that fails its save would be forced to actually leave the city, not merely stay away from Ahghairon’s Tower, a point that was unclear to me before looking up the spell's wording about what it can target.
$endgroup$
– Douglas
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
The 5e version shouldn't allow a save, since all the relevant dragons have 'Legendary Resistance' and 41 was a pretty good total even for 3.5; a Great Wyrm Red Dragon would have a 50% chance of failing that save (assuming it had no defences up). The ease with which creatures can become immune to fear effects in 5e is a sufficient replacement for the 3.5 saving throw.
$endgroup$
– the dark wanderer
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
The 5e version shouldn't allow a save, since all the relevant dragons have 'Legendary Resistance' and 41 was a pretty good total even for 3.5; a Great Wyrm Red Dragon would have a 50% chance of failing that save (assuming it had no defences up). The ease with which creatures can become immune to fear effects in 5e is a sufficient replacement for the 3.5 saving throw.
$endgroup$
– the dark wanderer
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Douglas yes, for this specific spell the area covered is the entire city, not just Aghairon's Tower. This is mentioned in the question (first large block of spoiler text)
$endgroup$
– illustro
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Douglas yes, for this specific spell the area covered is the entire city, not just Aghairon's Tower. This is mentioned in the question (first large block of spoiler text)
$endgroup$
– illustro
4 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@thedarkwanderer The 5e version would allow a save, however that save would need to be repeated by a dragon every minute until it was affected (as per the last point in the answer). That need for repeated saves against a super high DC will burn through those legendary resistances pretty quickly.
$endgroup$
– illustro
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@thedarkwanderer The 5e version would allow a save, however that save would need to be repeated by a dragon every minute until it was affected (as per the last point in the answer). That need for repeated saves against a super high DC will burn through those legendary resistances pretty quickly.
$endgroup$
– illustro
4 hours ago
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